Americans who live near data centers are paying as much as 267% more a month for energy than five years ago.

— Hedgeye (@Hedgeye) May 3, 2026

@grok can you verify this?

— Bernard Lekaj (@BernardLekaj) May 3, 2026

You keep throwing out the same unsupported claims. Except that I agree Data Centers make a lot of money, but not for employees, people who live in the area, just for the owners.

Meanwhile, they suck up water and electricity, and those higher costs are paid for by regular citizens, whose own water use is rationed, even for farms and ranchers.

You keep ignoring those facts, and those facts make protests completely reasonable.

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Anyone else notice the specific posts white rock did not challenge? He was silent on the ones that had any data or facts on water or electrical use and the data centers.

Not a peep.

As usual.

He ignores those ones and if he does comment it is always "those are wrong." But he never provides links to prove they are not using more electricity or water or causing locals bills to skyrocket.

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Which ones did I ignore?

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Pretty much all the ones that ruin your argument in this thread.

Like every time someone posts about people complaining of a higher electric bill when a DC is built.

Or the constant hum

Or the water usage and the local water supply getting low/ restrictions on the citizens but not the dc.

The claims about tax base being high but the posts about the dcs built so far NOT paying taxes. Not generating wealth. Not creating jobs.

We went down this road before. I asked for links proving the things you clam. You never provided one. Not a single one.

Until you provide those links and respond to the other posts above I will not reply to you.

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whiterock said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Anyone else notice the specific posts white rock did not challenge? He was silent on the ones that had any data or facts on water or electrical use and the data centers.

Not a peep.

As usual.

He ignores those ones and if he does comment it is always "those are wrong." But he never provides links to prove they are not using more electricity or water or causing locals bills to skyrocket.

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Which ones did I ignore?

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Pretty much all the ones that ruin your argument in this thread.

Like every time someone posts about people complaining of a higher electric bill when a DC is built.

Or the constant hum

Or the water usage and the local water supply getting low/ restrictions on the citizens but not the dc.

The claims about tax base being high but the posts about the dcs built so far NOT paying taxes. Not generating wealth. Not creating jobs.

We went down this road before. I asked for links proving the things you clam. You never provided one. Not a single one.

Until you provide those links and respond to the other posts above I will not reply to you.

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It's marketing, he is vested in building these things so they will be good no matter what the data shows. If it disagrees, it is the data or your source.

Same with the Trump Administration, he is benefiting off these policies so anyone that voices opposition must be discredited or ignored.

I see developers do it constantly, change the laws to get what they want built and discredit anyone that opposes.

🚨 TEXAS IS ABOUT TO GET ABSOLUTELY COOKED This new data center in the Texas Panhandle will use MORE ELECTRICITY than ALL Texas homes COMBINED… TIMES TWO.
18 MILLION square feet
6,000+ acres
Up to 11 GIGAWATTS
On-site power generating more electricity than 15 entire states… https://t.co/IpAbUOx2JQ pic.twitter.com/Czb9ypjvZu

— Noah B. Price (@TrueOnX) May 3, 2026

boognish_bear said:

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🚨 TEXAS IS ABOUT TO GET ABSOLUTELY COOKED This new data center in the Texas Panhandle will use MORE ELECTRICITY than ALL Texas homes COMBINED… TIMES TWO.
18 MILLION square feet
6,000+ acres
Up to 11 GIGAWATTS
On-site power generating more electricity than 15 entire states… https://t.co/IpAbUOx2JQ pic.twitter.com/Czb9ypjvZu

— Noah B. Price (@TrueOnX) May 3, 2026

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You caveman! Don't you know that white rock said that isn't so. He said dc are good. Even great for everything! So trust him.

Plus don't worry. We don't have a water issue because water never really goes away, it just goes somewhere else in the water cycle and we are just idiots for not figuring out how to get it from where it is abundant to where it is needed.

I’m coming to the conclusion that the biggest challenge for Enterprise AI, and AI in general , as of now, is that it’s still impossible to make sure that everyone gets the same answer to the same question, every time.

Which is a great response to the doomers. AI doesn’t know…

— Mark Cuban (@mcuban) May 4, 2026

Interesting discussion in the comments there. Wonder if Mark will pay attention?

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Americans who live near data centers are paying as much as 267% more a month for energy than five years ago.

— Hedgeye (@Hedgeye) May 3, 2026

@grok can you verify this?

— Bernard Lekaj (@BernardLekaj) May 3, 2026

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The operative words there are "as much as".

That only requires that one place somewhere made a very bad arrangement for that DC to be built and operated.

Needs more info showing average, mean, and where the heck is that place.

EatMoreSalmon said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Americans who live near data centers are paying as much as 267% more a month for energy than five years ago.

— Hedgeye (@Hedgeye) May 3, 2026

@grok can you verify this?

— Bernard Lekaj (@BernardLekaj) May 3, 2026

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The operative words there are "as much as".

That only requires that one place somewhere made a very bad arrangement for that DC to be built and operated.

Needs more info showing average, mean, and where the heck is that place.

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Just noticed I didn't post the grok response correctly above...it gives a little more context. Although it doesn't answer your question about how common that "as much as" scenario is.

Yes, the claim checks out. A 2025 Bloomberg analysis of wholesale electricity prices found costs near data centers rose as much as 267% over five years (comparing recent data to ~2020). These wholesale spikes get passed to residential bills in affected areas, as reported by CBS…

— Grok (@grok) May 3, 2026

boognish_bear said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Americans who live near data centers are paying as much as 267% more a month for energy than five years ago.

— Hedgeye (@Hedgeye) May 3, 2026

@grok can you verify this?

— Bernard Lekaj (@BernardLekaj) May 3, 2026

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The operative words there are "as much as".

That only requires that one place somewhere made a very bad arrangement for that DC to be built and operated.

Needs more info showing average, mean, and where the heck is that place.

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Just noticed I didn't post the grok response correctly above...it gives a little more context. Although it doesn't answer your question about how common that "as much as" scenario is.

Yes, the claim checks out. A 2025 Bloomberg analysis of wholesale electricity prices found costs near data centers rose as much as 267% over five years (comparing recent data to ~2020). These wholesale spikes get passed to residential bills in affected areas, as reported by CBS…

— Grok (@grok) May 3, 2026

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Thanks.
It seems that the basic info missing should easily be provided in such a report. Omissions like that don't help the trustworthiness of the reporting or reporters. All too common in reporting these days. AIs don't seem to be programmed to provide such info on very many issues that need that context either. Even if you are trying to verify the facts of a story like your query.

EatMoreSalmon said:

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boognish_bear said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Americans who live near data centers are paying as much as 267% more a month for energy than five years ago.

— Hedgeye (@Hedgeye) May 3, 2026

@grok can you verify this?

— Bernard Lekaj (@BernardLekaj) May 3, 2026

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The operative words there are "as much as".

That only requires that one place somewhere made a very bad arrangement for that DC to be built and operated.

Needs more info showing average, mean, and where the heck is that place.

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Just noticed I didn't post the grok response correctly above...it gives a little more context. Although it doesn't answer your question about how common that "as much as" scenario is.

Yes, the claim checks out. A 2025 Bloomberg analysis of wholesale electricity prices found costs near data centers rose as much as 267% over five years (comparing recent data to ~2020). These wholesale spikes get passed to residential bills in affected areas, as reported by CBS…

— Grok (@grok) May 3, 2026

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Thanks.
It seems that the basic info missing should easily be provided in such a report. Omissions like that don't help the trustworthiness of the reporting or reporters. All too common in reporting these days.
Also, AIs don't seem to be programmed to provide such info on very many issues that need that context either. Even if you are trying to verify the facts of a story like your query.

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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boognish_bear said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Americans who live near data centers are paying as much as 267% more a month for energy than five years ago.

— Hedgeye (@Hedgeye) May 3, 2026

@grok can you verify this?

— Bernard Lekaj (@BernardLekaj) May 3, 2026

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The operative words there are "as much as".

That only requires that one place somewhere made a very bad arrangement for that DC to be built and operated.

Needs more info showing average, mean, and where the heck is that place.

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Just noticed I didn't post the grok response correctly above...it gives a little more context. Although it doesn't answer your question about how common that "as much as" scenario is.

Yes, the claim checks out. A 2025 Bloomberg analysis of wholesale electricity prices found costs near data centers rose as much as 267% over five years (comparing recent data to ~2020). These wholesale spikes get passed to residential bills in affected areas, as reported by CBS…

— Grok (@grok) May 3, 2026

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Thanks.
It seems that the basic info missing should easily be provided in such a report. Omissions like that don't help the trustworthiness of the reporting or reporters. All too common in reporting these days.
AIs don't seem to be programmed to provide such info on very many issues that need that context either. Even if you are trying to verify the facts of a story like your query.

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You keep throwing out the same unsupported claims. Except that I agree Data Centers make a lot of money, but not for employees, people who live in the area, just for the owners.
You are throwing out not an unsupportable claim, but a disprovable claim. Data Center wages are at or above the national average. Not bad for workers who are not required to have a college degree. Sure, DC create fewer jobs than other industries per dollar invested, but that is the point of automation, isn't it? John Deere's tractor did the same thing. We survived it. Ford's assembly line did the same thing. We survived it. (because those economies in those industries created jobs elsewhere). So why now is the world coming to an end as we continue down the same line of attack on labor costs?

Meanwhile, they suck up water and electricity, and those higher costs are paid for by regular citizens, whose own water use is rationed, even for farms and ranchers.
Again, no. Sure, they increase demand on those things. The proper response is to build more supply of those things. Your argument here presumes a static baseline of supply

You keep ignoring those facts, and those facts make protests completely reasonable.

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You are not a Luddite. So why are you accepting the premise of Luddism? How do you grow an economy if you choke off demand every time it exceeds supply. Why not promote more supply?

We have had 3+ decades of increasingly irresponsible energy policy, literally using regulatory power to strangle off our cheapest source of electricity (coal generation) and broad arrays of subsidy & regulatory avoidance schemes to bring down the cost of "renewables." How could we be surprised that energy costs have risen? Why would we seek to blame it all on Data Centers? (which of course have been around since the dawn of the internet).

Build more electrical generation and the price of electricity will come down.
Build more electrical generation from coal and gas and electricity will come down even more.
Use the tax base of the data center to lay more water & sewer pipe.

I mean, come back to earth:
No rivers have gone dry.
No homeowner has run out of water.
No one has been poisoned or killed by Data Centers.
No DC is a SuperFund site.
Nor will there be any. They are industrial centers full of inert plastic and metal. The raw materials enter in a wire (electrical cable) and the finished product leaves in a wire (fiber optic cable). There's literally nothing in them capable of polluting anything.

Time to go to work building the economy of the future. Here. Rather than in China.

cowboycwr said:

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boognish_bear said:

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🚨 TEXAS IS ABOUT TO GET ABSOLUTELY COOKED This new data center in the Texas Panhandle will use MORE ELECTRICITY than ALL Texas homes COMBINED… TIMES TWO.
18 MILLION square feet
6,000+ acres
Up to 11 GIGAWATTS
On-site power generating more electricity than 15 entire states… https://t.co/IpAbUOx2JQ pic.twitter.com/Czb9ypjvZu

— Noah B. Price (@TrueOnX) May 3, 2026

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You caveman! Don't you know that white rock said that isn't so. He said dc are good. Even great for everything! So trust him.

Plus don't worry. We don't have a water issue because water never really goes away, it just goes somewhere else in the water cycle and we are just idiots for not figuring out how to get it from where it is abundant to where it is needed.

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yes, this is good.

I am amazed at the reflexive opposition to this. Totally irrational opposition to change. I see lots of construction jobs for years. I see lots of good paying production jobs for decades. I see unprecedented amounts of tax base created in a country with extraordinary amounts of sovereign debt, in rural areas struggling to maintain road, water, and sewer services....things which require tax base to build. I see a nation which has severely mismanaged its energy policy being rescued by tech companies who are going to have to build pre-grid electrical generation to meet their needs. (if local leadership is worth a hoot, they will required those companies to bring more capacity than they need, so they can be a net-contributor to the grid). And that's before we get to the national security implications of having control over the internet and the capacity to develop AI here rather than let some autocracy run it. That is all worth the investment of water provided, which to be clear is not destroyed in the process. It will be used. It will be reused. It will be reused again. Most loss will be to evaporation, which of course will fall back to earth as rain and run down the same pathways from which it was extracted by the DC.

water, you see, is a cycle. It cannot be destroyed. It always comes back to us.
We learned that early on in grade school. Many seem to have forgotten that.

You guys are going to look back on this and realize how incredibly foolish it was to squeal like this......

whiterock said:

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cowboycwr said:

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boognish_bear said:

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🚨 TEXAS IS ABOUT TO GET ABSOLUTELY COOKED This new data center in the Texas Panhandle will use MORE ELECTRICITY than ALL Texas homes COMBINED… TIMES TWO.
18 MILLION square feet
6,000+ acres
Up to 11 GIGAWATTS
On-site power generating more electricity than 15 entire states… https://t.co/IpAbUOx2JQ pic.twitter.com/Czb9ypjvZu

— Noah B. Price (@TrueOnX) May 3, 2026

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You caveman! Don't you know that white rock said that isn't so. He said dc are good. Even great for everything! So trust him.

Plus don't worry. We don't have a water issue because water never really goes away, it just goes somewhere else in the water cycle and we are just idiots for not figuring out how to get it from where it is abundant to where it is needed.

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yes, this is good.

I am amazed at the reflexive opposition to this. Totally irrational opposition to change. I see lots of construction jobs for years. I see lots of good paying production jobs for decades. I see unprecedented amounts of tax base created in a country with extraordinary amounts of sovereign debt, in rural areas struggling to maintain road, water, and sewer services....things which require tax base to build. I see a nation which has severely mismanaged its energy policy being rescued by tech companies who are going to have to build pre-grid electrical generation to meet their needs. (if local leadership is worth a hoot, they will required those companies to bring more capacity than they need, so they can be a net-contributor to the grid). And that's before we get to the national security implications of having control over the internet and the capacity to develop AI here rather than let some autocracy run it. That is all worth the investment of water provided, which to be clear is not destroyed in the process. It will be used. It will be reused. It will be reused again. Most loss will be to evaporation, which of course will fall back to earth as rain and run down the same pathways from which it was extracted by the DC.

water, you see, is a cycle. It cannot be destroyed. It always comes back to us.
We learned that early on in grade school. Many seem to have forgotten that.

You guys are going to look back on this and realize how incredibly foolish it was to squeal like this......

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Provide links

Kevin O'Leary's massive data center was approved by a county commission in Utah last night without residents' approval of the measure.
At 40,000 acres, it would be 2.5x the size of Manhattan.
The commission approved the proposal despite opposition from hundreds of locals. pic.twitter.com/IFzsH4WiTD

— Anonymous (@YourAnonNews) May 5, 2026

I’m the only developer of data centers on earth that graduated from environmental studies. I'm pretty aware of what these concerns are. They are around air, water use, heat, noise pollution. So sustainability is at the heart of what we do in terms of all these proposals. We… pic.twitter.com/Qvob70uEmh

— Kevin O'Leary aka Mr. Wonderful (@kevinolearytv) May 5, 2026

America’s auto industry is currently strained by higher aluminum prices.

Global aluminum prices are about $3,500 per ton, but tariff charges have raised the U.S. price to $6,100. (Compared to $3,220 a year ago.)https://t.co/CadS1LK1xm

— Frank Luntz (@FrankLuntz) May 5, 2026

boognish_bear said:

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America’s auto industry is currently strained by higher aluminum prices.

Global aluminum prices are about $3,500 per ton, but tariff charges have raised the U.S. price to $6,100. (Compared to $3,220 a year ago.)https://t.co/CadS1LK1xm

— Frank Luntz (@FrankLuntz) May 5, 2026

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Yep. Closing a slew of our aluminum plants three and four decades ago was a big mistake.


Gemini AI:

Yes, bauxite can be and has been mined in the US, primarily in Arkansas, Georgia, and Alabama. While historically significant for aluminum production, current domestic mining is limited, with most US bauxite used for non-metallurgical purposes like abrasives, chemicals, and prop-pants rather than aluminum metal.

Key Details on US Bauxite Mining:

• Primary Locations: About 90% of US-mined bauxite originated from central Arkansas, with additional deposits found in the Southeastern US.
• Current Mining Status: WhileAlcoa operated a plant in Arkansas, most bauxite is now imported. Mining still occurs on a small scale, largely for industrial materials.
• Industrial Use: Mined bauxite is used to produce high-strength proppants for hydraulic fracturing, refractories, and chemicals.
• History: Bauxite mining for aluminum started in Arkansas in 1896, with peak production during WWII, but shifted away from aluminum smelting after 1981. [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bauxite_mining_in_the_United_States#:~:text=Bauxite%20forms%20by%20the%20weathering,Andersonville%2C%20Georgia%20district%20since%201914.][/url]
  

The US is a net importer of bauxite for aluminum production, sourcing materials from countries like Jamaica and Guinea.


Gemini left out that Turkey, Australia, and Guyana are large bauxite suppliers to the US.

cowboycwr said:

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whiterock said:

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cowboycwr said:

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boognish_bear said:

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🚨 TEXAS IS ABOUT TO GET ABSOLUTELY COOKED This new data center in the Texas Panhandle will use MORE ELECTRICITY than ALL Texas homes COMBINED… TIMES TWO.
18 MILLION square feet
6,000+ acres
Up to 11 GIGAWATTS
On-site power generating more electricity than 15 entire states… https://t.co/IpAbUOx2JQ pic.twitter.com/Czb9ypjvZu

— Noah B. Price (@TrueOnX) May 3, 2026

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You caveman! Don't you know that white rock said that isn't so. He said dc are good. Even great for everything! So trust him.

Plus don't worry. We don't have a water issue because water never really goes away, it just goes somewhere else in the water cycle and we are just idiots for not figuring out how to get it from where it is abundant to where it is needed.

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yes, this is good.

I am amazed at the reflexive opposition to this. Totally irrational opposition to change. I see lots of construction jobs for years. I see lots of good paying production jobs for decades. I see unprecedented amounts of tax base created in a country with extraordinary amounts of sovereign debt, in rural areas struggling to maintain road, water, and sewer services....things which require tax base to build. I see a nation which has severely mismanaged its energy policy being rescued by tech companies who are going to have to build pre-grid electrical generation to meet their needs. (if local leadership is worth a hoot, they will required those companies to bring more capacity than they need, so they can be a net-contributor to the grid). And that's before we get to the national security implications of having control over the internet and the capacity to develop AI here rather than let some autocracy run it. That is all worth the investment of water provided, which to be clear is not destroyed in the process. It will be used. It will be reused. It will be reused again. Most loss will be to evaporation, which of course will fall back to earth as rain and run down the same pathways from which it was extracted by the DC.

water, you see, is a cycle. It cannot be destroyed. It always comes back to us.
We learned that early on in grade school. Many seem to have forgotten that.

You guys are going to look back on this and realize how incredibly foolish it was to squeal like this......

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Provide links

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Nothing in that needs links. It's all readily apparent.

You are the one who is unable to document anything.

Where is the SuperFund site?
Where is the dry river?
Where is a single death caused by a data center?

(crickets…..)

boognish_bear said:

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I’m the only developer of data centers on earth that graduated from environmental studies. I'm pretty aware of what these concerns are. They are around air, water use, heat, noise pollution. So sustainability is at the heart of what we do in terms of all these proposals. We… pic.twitter.com/Qvob70uEmh

— Kevin O'Leary aka Mr. Wonderful (@kevinolearytv) May 5, 2026

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He is of course correct. DC critics presume all DCs are identical in they way the are powered and cooled = noisy and thirsty. They are not. So many varieties, each tailored to a specific site. The cost does tend to escalate as the solutions get more innovative but the shortage of supply is so acute that really isn't a factor at the moment.

https://www.spglobal.com/ratings/en/regulatory/article/sustainability-insights-affordability-concerns-drive-credit-risks-in-us-data-center-expansion-s101679357

"We observe no clear correlation between the change in state-level electricity prices over the last five years and the change in state-level data center capacity over the same period"

— Steve Everley (@saeverley) May 5, 2026

Yes. Obama policy to kill coal fired generation is the root cause of energy cost increases.

" How do you grow an economy if you choke off demand every time it exceeds supply. Why not promote more supply?"

The same reason I oppose allowing industrial companies to dump metals into wastewater. The same reason Asbestos was outlawed. The same I consider it unreasonable to allow tobacco sales with fewer restrictions than marijuana.

Once you know something hurts people, whether economically or in safety terms, you correct that danger.

Data Centers have known dangers that must be addressed. It's sound governance to limit the water use by Data Centers and require them to create their own power given the impact on residential costs, not 'Ludditism'.

A data center uses as much power as a city!

So people want to stop them.

But that’s dumb.

"Electricity replaces human labor and allows us to do more and better things," says @paigelambermont of @ceidotorg.

Here's why we need MORE data centers, not fewer: pic.twitter.com/7eVdT4lxD0

— John Stossel (@JohnStossel) May 5, 2026

Peter Thiel just put $140 million into a startup that wants to run AI inside giant steel orbs floating in the ocean. Almost half of America's AI data centers planned for this year have already been cancelled or delayed. The grid cannot handle them.

A single big AI data center… https://t.co/Adx3pEqoo1

— Anish Moonka (@anishmoonka) May 5, 2026

whiterock said:

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cowboycwr said:

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whiterock said:

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cowboycwr said:

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boognish_bear said:

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🚨 TEXAS IS ABOUT TO GET ABSOLUTELY COOKED This new data center in the Texas Panhandle will use MORE ELECTRICITY than ALL Texas homes COMBINED… TIMES TWO.
18 MILLION square feet
6,000+ acres
Up to 11 GIGAWATTS
On-site power generating more electricity than 15 entire states… https://t.co/IpAbUOx2JQ pic.twitter.com/Czb9ypjvZu

— Noah B. Price (@TrueOnX) May 3, 2026

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You caveman! Don't you know that white rock said that isn't so. He said dc are good. Even great for everything! So trust him.

Plus don't worry. We don't have a water issue because water never really goes away, it just goes somewhere else in the water cycle and we are just idiots for not figuring out how to get it from where it is abundant to where it is needed.

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yes, this is good.

I am amazed at the reflexive opposition to this. Totally irrational opposition to change. I see lots of construction jobs for years. I see lots of good paying production jobs for decades. I see unprecedented amounts of tax base created in a country with extraordinary amounts of sovereign debt, in rural areas struggling to maintain road, water, and sewer services....things which require tax base to build. I see a nation which has severely mismanaged its energy policy being rescued by tech companies who are going to have to build pre-grid electrical generation to meet their needs. (if local leadership is worth a hoot, they will required those companies to bring more capacity than they need, so they can be a net-contributor to the grid). And that's before we get to the national security implications of having control over the internet and the capacity to develop AI here rather than let some autocracy run it. That is all worth the investment of water provided, which to be clear is not destroyed in the process. It will be used. It will be reused. It will be reused again. Most loss will be to evaporation, which of course will fall back to earth as rain and run down the same pathways from which it was extracted by the DC.

water, you see, is a cycle. It cannot be destroyed. It always comes back to us.
We learned that early on in grade school. Many seem to have forgotten that.

You guys are going to look back on this and realize how incredibly foolish it was to squeal like this......

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Provide links

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Nothing in that needs links. It's all readily apparent.

You are the one who is unable to document anything.

Where is the SuperFund site?
Where is the dry river?
Where is a single death caused by a data center?

(crickets…..)

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I and others have provided numerous links. You ignore them.

All you do is come in here and say data centers are awesome. They don't use water. They create huge tax bases. They create jobs.

We have provided numerous links showing otherwise. All you have countered with is saying "no they don't use water" or they create jobs. They don't increase electric bills. Blah blah blah. But no links to refute the ones provided showing they are causing higher electric prices, creating no tax bases, creating no or minimal jobs, etc.

Deaths??? Wow that is out of left field even for you.

boognish_bear said:

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Peter Thiel just put $140 million into a startup that wants to run AI inside giant steel orbs floating in the ocean. Almost half of America's AI data centers planned for this year have already been cancelled or delayed. The grid cannot handle them.

A single big AI data center… https://t.co/Adx3pEqoo1

— Anish Moonka (@anishmoonka) May 5, 2026

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Welcome to BOB Data Centers!

Boost Output Buoyantly.

Do the big waves make it smarter in hurricanes?


All in fun. Not knocking the idea.

New startup company will put ‘Mini Data Centers’ on the side of residential homes all over America

Companies Nvidia and PulteGroup are patterning with SPAN, “A major U.S home builder is now making small fractional data centers, or they call them nodes that can be put on the side… pic.twitter.com/5ogyc8EJcW

— Wall Street Apes (@WallStreetApes) May 6, 2026

A datacenter the size of Central Park will eventually employ up to 58 people. https://t.co/DULpyGkf65

— ABB (@Mont_Jiang) May 5, 2026

boognish_bear said:

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New startup company will put ‘Mini Data Centers’ on the side of residential homes all over America

Companies Nvidia and PulteGroup are patterning with SPAN, “A major U.S home builder is now making small fractional data centers, or they call them nodes that can be put on the side… pic.twitter.com/5ogyc8EJcW

— Wall Street Apes (@WallStreetApes) May 6, 2026

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And they get a $150 credit on their electric bill??????? But no lease for the land, payment for the loss of property, payment for an ugly box on your land, or any other form of payment?

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" How do you grow an economy if you choke off demand every time it exceeds supply. Why not promote more supply?"

The same reason I oppose allowing industrial companies to dump metals into wastewater. The same reason Asbestos was outlawed. The same I consider it unreasonable to allow tobacco sales with fewer restrictions than marijuana.
Non Sequitur. we are not talking about pollution. We are talking about supply and demand of a basic product - energy - which can easily and economically be produced by safe, reliable, conventional generation plants.

Once you know something hurts people, whether economically or in safety terms, you correct that danger.
....by building more supply (wells & refineries) rather than telling people the cannot drive their cars (in response to gasoline shortages), by building more supply (housing units) rather than putting price controls on housing (due to housing shortages), by building more supply (electrical plants) rather than doing power-shedding as a long-term business model (due to a shortage of electricity), etc..... and on and on and on.

Data Centers have known dangers that must be addressed.
We have thousands of data centers built over the last 20 years. There are ZERO "known dangers" associated with them. There are all kind of irrational fears, but there are no massive outbreaks of poisonings, no SuperFund sites, no rivers full of dead fish, etc.... Zero. Nada. Just the normal industrial development concerns about zoning and infrastructure, etc.... Again. The raw materials to a DC enter in a wire (electrical cable). The finished product leaves in a wire (fiber optic cable). All the equipment involved is inert metal & plastic There are no "moving parts" to injure anyone. Noise levels in most designs are well below heavy industries.

It's sound governance to limit the water use by Data Centers and require them to create their own power given the impact on residential costs, not 'Ludditism'.
I agree that the Presidential Executive Order was wise. The rest of your argument is Luddism. Irrational Luddism at that. No sober appraisal of what's been done over the last 20 years should give any reasonable mind cause for concern about what is coming.

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Governance has largely done a sound job managing water resources. There are exceptions, of course. Corpus Christi is one. And their plight is unrelated to Data Centers. Their crisis is about a failure of the municipal government plan in time, and then to fail to plan well. The desalinization option has always been there. They just waited too late to act. Then their waste disposal plan was enjoined by court order. There of course is a fix. It will just take another 18 months or so. (the engineering to simply reroute the disposal pipe to the coast will likely take longer do complete than the pipeline itself).

One key thing the entire debate misses: the ability of capital to police itself. Tenants do not want to sign leases in unsustainable developments. Banks do not want to loan money to unsustainable developments.
Believe me. These DC developers are getting "hard ground ball" questions about the source of the water, the plan for electricity. To get a lease, they have to prove their work. To get funding, they have to prove their work. To get a commitment on infrastructure (pipelines, transmission lines) they have to prove their work (because the suppliers do not have the capacity to handle all the requests and therefore must do "triage" to make sure they apply their own resources to highest/best use.)

But perhaps the largest error the opponents make is by global application of anecdotal observations - garden variety hasty generalizations. "because THIS data center is noisy, ALL data centers are noisy." Fact is, some (primarily air-cooled ones) are noisier than others (primarily water cooled ones). The code in "Data Center Alley" in Northern Virginia is for 65 decibels at property edge and they have mostly air-cooled systems. (For comparison, an electric toothbrush puts of 60 decibels.)

Calm down. Set aside the reflexive reaction that DCs are bad. Look objectively. You will see the economy of the future. The DC critics are absolutely hysterical. Wild-eyed nonsense connected to reality by dental floss.

We are looking at this rationally, Whiterock. It's you who irrationally demands no guardrails even after real threats and costs are presented to you.

The Data Centers are not producing jobs, they are consuming water which is needed for crops and homes, and they are causing higher power bills for people.

Your denial is very strange.

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We are looking at this rationally, Whiterock. It's you who irrationally demands no guardrails even after real threats and costs are presented to you.

The Data Centers are not producing jobs, they are consuming water which is needed for crops and homes, and they are causing higher power bills for people.

Your denial is very strange.

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It only seems strange because you are blind to the moment. Your are looking backwards, not forwards.

Job creation matters. But does it really matter if it happens in energy generation rather than Data Centers? Or in the mining & smelting of metals (to build the robots to be run by AI) rather than the data centers? (etc,etc, etc….)

Data crunching IS the economy we are going to have. WE CANNOT JUST NOT BUILD DAYA CENTERS. We have to move forward, responsibly, logically. And we've got to brush off the Luddism for what it is.

Great piece on energy:

The Electricity Grid

I post a lot of stuff about the electricity grid, here the CEO of the largest grid in America (PJM) lays it out pretty clearly.

• What worked for 2 decades… no longer works
• This is structurally different from history
• You are facing an era of… pic.twitter.com/knScR81Tom

— Object Zero (@Object_Zero_) May 7, 2026