The future automation of the workforce

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whiterock
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EatMoreSalmon said:

I see where desalinization produces 3 parts brine waste to two parts water.
Not always. Depends on the source. The Brazos River is saline ENOUGH that it has to be desalinated, not for human taste or health, but to prevent damage to pumps & purification systems. Waste there is like 15-20% per bid I received. Not much. But still an issue. We could run the waste thru a second or third time and lower the waste number to single digits, but at the cost of more energy usage (cost). Corpus chose to desal from a brackish bay rather than the ocean to save cost (a big push globally) and simply dump the waste back into the bay (rather than the ocean). They can still do ocean disposal, but it will cost tens of millions to run the pumps & pipe plus the lost time (years) getting all the engineering, feasibility & environmental studies, etc...done.

Waste level also depends on technology. There are "zero liquid discharge" systems out there. But they cost a LOT more.


Will Corpus be also allowing for this kind of industry?…
Corpus will not be able to do anything until they get their water supply issue fixed. I doubt any significant industrial investment could get financing there now.



https://research.engr.oregonstate.edu/brineminers/home

Here's what you're missing.

We have de facto de-industrialized over the last 40 years. Trade deficits transforming us into a service-oriented economy rather than a production-oriented economy. Service industries have very low power requirements. So we could afford to dabble in green energy nonsense and engage in environmental regulation to one level of perfection after another. Now that the piper has come calling on globalism, we must reindustrialize as a matter of national survival. To do so, we are going to need massive investments in energy and infrastructure (pipes & wires). And it will happen.

Power plants are good things. They create a lot of tax base. They pay well. They create enormous wealth. They provide the one essential thing that prevents us from having to live in caves wearing skins of animals killed with wooden spears and flayed with stone tools: ELECTRICITY.

Invest accordingly.
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whiterock said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

I see where desalinization produces 3 parts brine waste to two parts water.
Not always. Depends on the source. The Brazos River is saline ENOUGH that it has to be desalinated, not for human taste or health, but to prevent damage to pumps & purification systems. Waste there is like 15-20% per bid I received. Not much. But still an issue. We could run the waste thru a second or third time and lower the waste number to single digits, but at the cost of more energy usage (cost). Corpus chose to desal from a brackish bay rather than the ocean to save cost (a big push globally) and simply dump the waste back into the bay (rather than the ocean). They can still do ocean disposal, but it will cost tens of millions to run the pumps & pipe plus the lost time (years) getting all the engineering, feasibility & environmental studies, etc...done.

Waste level also depends on technology. There are "zero liquid discharge" systems out there. But they cost a LOT more.


Will Corpus be also allowing for this kind of industry?…
Corpus will not be able to do anything until they get their water supply issue fixed. I doubt any significant industrial investment could get financing there now.



https://research.engr.oregonstate.edu/brineminers/home

Here's what you're missing.

We have de facto de-industrialized over the last 40 years. Trade deficits transforming us into a service-oriented economy rather than a production-oriented economy. Service industries have very low power requirements. So we could afford to dabble in green energy nonsense and engage in environmental regulation to one level of perfection after another. Now that the piper has come calling on globalism, we must reindustrialize as a matter of national survival. To do so, we are going to need massive investments in energy and infrastructure (pipes & wires). And it will happen.

Power plants are good things. They create a lot of tax base. They pay well. They create enormous wealth. They provide the one essential thing that prevents us from having to live in caves wearing skins of animals killed with wooden spears and flayed with stone tools: ELECTRICITY.

Invest accordingly.


I'm not countering you, just wondering out loud. I've been firmly in the industrialize camp from the get go. I have brought up the lack of new reservoirs as a warning as new ones are sorely needed as well as power plants. We need to get going on nuclear power to meet long term power needs.

Also, the brine mining sounds pretty viable for seawater. Would be interesting to know if the brackish water waste would supply enough material to make sense.
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EatMoreSalmon said:

I see where desalinization produces 3 parts brine waste to two parts water.

Will Corpus be also allowing for this kind of industry?…



https://research.engr.oregonstate.edu/brineminers/home

Key is finding a secondary industry for the salt that is produced. Or, it will reach a point where they will take it and dump it or store it.

It is an expensive path for municipal use. Look into industrial mineral mining from the brine, especially with the fertilizer issue and the new battery usage.
boognish_bear
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EatMoreSalmon
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It would be interesting to see the rest of the questions alluded to in this survey.
boognish_bear
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Dystopian terminator stuff

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FLBear5630
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We just need to destroy the whole Egyptian civilization...
Oldbear83
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FLBear5630 said:

We just need to destroy the whole Egyptian civilization...

You do know that post from boognish has nothing to do with destroying Egypt, right?
FLBear5630
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It was a joke. Transactional. They build us a desalinization plant, but in exchange destroy Israel...
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FLBear5630 said:

It was a joke. Transactional. They build us a desalinization plant, but in exchange destroy Israel...

Jokes are humorous. Your shot was, well, something else ...
FLBear5630
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Dark humor. Ok?

Actually, I thought pretty in tune with current events... But could be the beer.

Don't get F-ing sensitive on me! You are one of the few I can joke around.
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FLBear5630 said:

Dark humor. Ok?

Actually, I thought pretty in tune with current events... But could be the beer.

Don't get F-ing sensitive on me! You are one of the few I can joke around.

Maybe you should drink a less touchy beer.
FLBear5630
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Drinking Dutch tonight. The Dutch are pretty damn touchy.

Whiterock and Trump drink only German. : )
Oldbear83
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I'm not drinking at all.

But my oven died on me an hour ago, which really put the suck into my day.
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Sucks. I am going induction range next time.
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boognish_bear said:

Dystopian terminator stuff




Pretty horrible. Those guys were just hiding but hey seemed to know there was no hiding or surrender.
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cowboycwr said:

boognish_bear said:

Dystopian terminator stuff




Pretty horrible. Those guys were just hiding but hey seemed to know there was no hiding or surrender.


I'd probably miss, but I hope I would at least try to shoot down the one coming for me if I saw it.
whiterock
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FLBear5630 said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

I see where desalinization produces 3 parts brine waste to two parts water.

Will Corpus be also allowing for this kind of industry?…



https://research.engr.oregonstate.edu/brineminers/home

Key is finding a secondary industry for the salt that is produced. Or, it will reach a point where they will take it and dump it or store it.

It is an expensive path for municipal use. Look into industrial mineral mining from the brine, especially with the fertilizer issue and the new battery usage.

that's a real issue. same for sludge from the sewer membrane plants. with minimum effort it makes a great fertilizer. but there's not much of a distribution network.

I would assume the brine has got too many other dissolved solids to use straight up. Would require more processing.

I would also assume oil field brine is like that, too, on both counts. Lots of work to cleanup, then no distribution system in place to carry finished product to market.
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I much prefer talking tech with you than Trump...

Check out some towns around the US and the world. It is an issue, the great thing about humans is we typically find answers. For example, a distribution network can be done.

Ok, don't run away from the word sustainability as some liberal thing. Sustainability and resilience are legitimate issues and opportunities. Just get away from the pre-programmed political words. If I were a venture capitalist, this is an area I would explore as many of the minerals are needed for batteries.

This site has some interesting thoughts on a circular economy around desalinization.

Circular Economy for Desalination Byproducts Scenario

I can see a vision for this system, just not a turn the switch off petrofuels like Biden tried. Too much, too soon. Viability is important for a paradigm shift, we saw the limitations of alternates in real time. Prefer pilots, not complete States!
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cowboycwr
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EatMoreSalmon said:

cowboycwr said:

boognish_bear said:

Dystopian terminator stuff




Pretty horrible. Those guys were just hiding but hey seemed to know there was no hiding or surrender.


I'd probably miss, but I hope I would at least try to shoot down the one coming for me if I saw it.


Agreed. I'd rather try than just lay there.

What I did find odd was a few of them did not seem to have a gun. Like the dropped it thinking that might save them but whoever was controlling the drone didn't seem to care they had given up and dropped their gun.
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cowboycwr said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

cowboycwr said:

boognish_bear said:

Dystopian terminator stuff




Pretty horrible. Those guys were just hiding but hey seemed to know there was no hiding or surrender.


I'd probably miss, but I hope I would at least try to shoot down the one coming for me if I saw it.


Agreed. I'd rather try than just lay there.

What I did find odd was a few of them did not seem to have a gun. Like the dropped it thinking that might save them but whoever was controlling the drone didn't seem to care they had given up and dropped their gun.


There definitely seems to be an ethical component here with the inability to exert your basic right to surrender.

I guess maybe it depends on if the drone is being operated by a human or if it's autonomous.

I guess I didn't think this part through at first...not sure how you would surrender to a drone since it can't take you as a prisoner.
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EatMoreSalmon
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boognish_bear said:




Those farmers, ranchers, and timberland owners would love having to wait for the nearest ambulance to drive out to an accident and finally get them to a hospital.
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cowboycwr
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boognish_bear said:

cowboycwr said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

cowboycwr said:

boognish_bear said:

Dystopian terminator stuff




Pretty horrible. Those guys were just hiding but hey seemed to know there was no hiding or surrender.


I'd probably miss, but I hope I would at least try to shoot down the one coming for me if I saw it.


Agreed. I'd rather try than just lay there.

What I did find odd was a few of them did not seem to have a gun. Like the dropped it thinking that might save them but whoever was controlling the drone didn't seem to care they had given up and dropped their gun.


There definitely seems to be an ethical component here with the inability to exert your basic right to surrender.

I guess maybe it depends on if the drone is being operated by a human or if it's autonomous.

I guess I didn't think this part through at first...not sure how you would surrender to a drone since it can't take you as a prisoner.


Agreed.

But it raises another valid question. How does it distinguish between soldier and civilian? Friend and foe?

If it can't tell that a person has their hands up, no weapon, etc. then it doesn't need to be used.

The drone can take you prisoner much the same way prisoners were taken in several wars during rapid advances. Drop your gun and sit here to wait on more soldiers or walk a certain direction.

For example in WW2 during rapid advancements the Germans simply marched east while our forces drove West. Eventually the Germans reached the troops responsible for the surrendering troops and were able to actually surrender.
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boognish_bear said:




This made me think of the people who for years have covered their computer camera. Guess they weren't so paranoid after all.

Not sure this would work in the car as it sounds like it wouldn't start.
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EatMoreSalmon
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boognish_bear said:




We were being told this kind of thing about careers in public school in the 80s.
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boognish_bear said:




It's interesting how Gemini AI describes the incident.

On the one hand it says…
"The incident has highlighted the risks of giving AI coding agents, such as Claude Code and Cursor, direct access to production environments."

But also reports…
"The AI agent reportedly accessed a token it wasn't supposed to have access to, allowing it to perform a "destructive/irreversible" API call."

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boognish_bear said:



Wow. That seems like there has to be a major error in the coding for the AI to do that, "think" it was ok.

But there has to be a way to recover the data. Even when things are deleted, including backups, there are always ways computer forensics can recover things. Maybe not all of it but at least some of it. Or at least I would think so.
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EatMoreSalmon
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The Apple Maps satellite image of lake Corpus Christi looks more like the image on the left.

https://maps.apple/p/~Qcvs-a-6-~jh0
 
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