The future automation of the workforce

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boognish_bear
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I think this is the kind of BS the tech CEOs peddle just to keep everyone from interfering with their exponential progress.


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boognish_bear said:

I think this is the kind of BS the tech CEOs peddle just to keep everyone from interfering with their exponential progress.




Do the math. This is a lie.
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boognish_bear said:

I think this is the kind of BS the tech CEOs peddle just to keep everyone from interfering with their exponential progress.




SNL predicted this back in 1978....

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I don't even really know what that means

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FLBear5630 said:

All your contacts and meetings are from those building the facilities, of course it is all good. You think they are going to tell Wall Street issues??? I have sold Bonds, you do not meet with the money men telling your problems.

Then you would understand the significance of this: the "Magnificent 7" stocks, all of them Tech giants at the forefront of the DC construction phase, are at their lowest P/E valuation relative to the rest of the S&P 500.

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Oldbear83 said:

boognish_bear said:

I think this is the kind of BS the tech CEOs peddle just to keep everyone from interfering with their exponential progress.




Do the math. This is a lie.

"Citizens Dividend" is a very old concept. Google it up. An idea with a very "American" flavor.

Math checks out for my corner of the world (per household, not per person), to the penny assuming we end up with 3 instead of just 2 DCs (which would be a given if we get everything done like we intend to do on planning/zoning/overlay). We are actively considering a "rebate program" (once everything comes on line in the 3-6yr timeframe). Literally are looking at scenarios that prompt the thought "what the heck are we going to do with all this revenue?" *

Can't say the "dividend" mechanism will actually happen, though. Legal council advises Texas Government Code does not allow municipalities an easy way to do it. More likely will have to happen via State Lege (with either a state program or a change to GC). But we are going to be able to max out all allowable prop tax deductions, at a minimum. That would be a 4-digit number per household, in one of the poorest cities in the county, so nothing to sneeze at.

*numbers are still soft. We cannot know what the Appraisal Districts are going to do and do not have an obvious pathway to dictate or replace the ADs for valuation. But we are looking at a very conservative range of scenarios - low end estimate of valuation is a third of the high end, the high end being 75% of actual investment cost. (and the lowest number TRIPLES our current budget).

Real word shyte, here. Don't disbelieve it. What you should disbelieve is all the anti-DC nonsense you see. Such incredible nonsense, that.
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boognish_bear said:

I don't even really know what that means



and yet, we will have self-styled philosophers tell us this is a bad thing.
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The public was united against railroads, too. Henry Ford got his ideas on the assembly line from buggy manufacturers (who were all put out of business by the automobile). And, and, and.....

People are afraid of change. They will raise every possible objection to it, up to an including "this will destroy the planet." But can we point to a time in history when what turned out to be a great technological leap led to less for everyone forever?

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Dog psychiatrist still sounds absurd because it is absurd. But the point is well made. He easily could have used many other examples such as IT Tech, social media manager, or PR consultant.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
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historian said:

Dog psychiatrist still sounds absurd because it is absurd. But the point is well made. He easily could have used many other examples such as IT Tech, social media manager, or PR consultant.

Absurd or not, they've been around a long time. This is from "Down and Out in Beverly Hills" from 1986:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1047486495341749
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Yeah, I see. Golden Age? If you are on board with the Trump boys industries, yeah they are being set up to be Golden. But, there are a lot of perilous signs in the current situation.

But, from your perspective of providing Data Centers, yeah Golden. Public trough is open to you, private equity and Government protection. What's not to like, unless you live somewhere you target...
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whiterock said:

Oldbear83 said:

boognish_bear said:

I think this is the kind of BS the tech CEOs peddle just to keep everyone from interfering with their exponential progress.




Do the math. This is a lie.

"Citizens Dividend" is a very old concept. Google it up. An idea with a very "American" flavor.

Math checks out for my corner of the world (per household, not per person), to the penny assuming we end up with 3 instead of just 2 DCs (which would be a given if we get everything done like we intend to do on planning/zoning/overlay). We are actively considering a "rebate program" (once everything comes on line in the 3-6yr timeframe). Literally are looking at scenarios that prompt the thought "what the heck are we going to do with all this revenue?" *

Can't say the "dividend" mechanism will actually happen, though. Legal council advises Texas Government Code does not allow municipalities an easy way to do it. More likely will have to happen via State Lege (with either a state program or a change to GC). But we are going to be able to max out all allowable prop tax deductions, at a minimum. That would be a 4-digit number per household, in one of the poorest cities in the county, so nothing to sneeze at.

*numbers are still soft. We cannot know what the Appraisal Districts are going to do and do not have an obvious pathway to dictate or replace the ADs for valuation. But we are looking at a very conservative range of scenarios - low end estimate of valuation is a third of the high end, the high end being 75% of actual investment cost. (and the lowest number TRIPLES our current budget).

Real word shyte, here. Don't disbelieve it. What you should disbelieve is all the anti-DC nonsense you see. Such incredible nonsense, that.

I believe the record, and I believe the details. We know DC's have worked out private deals with councils that give them tax deals and water/power access which are hidden from the public. That alone is reason to challenge these DC constructions.

Whenever someone points out the problems with water access for farmers, power costs for citizens, and so on there are excuses about it but no corrections as of yet. That is also a reason to challenge DC construction.

But in the matter of 'citizen dividend', so far it's BS since there is no commitment by any company at all to pay out money to the public, let alone the kind of money being hyped in these stories. But just consider the kind of money we're talking about. If a company or industry was actually able and willing to pay, say, one million dollars to every citizen, with 338 million Americans that means paying out $338,000,000,000,000, and since the industry needs to stay viable they need that much money in addition as assets, meaning the industry would have to have at least 776 Trilllion dollars in assets. And if that very unlikely condition was created, dumping 338 Trillion dollars onto the US Economy would be explosively inflationary.

So yeah, it's total BS. It's not about giving a ton of money to Americans, it's about getting a ton of money from Americans.
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Oldbear83 said:

whiterock said:

Oldbear83 said:

boognish_bear said:

I think this is the kind of BS the tech CEOs peddle just to keep everyone from interfering with their exponential progress.




Do the math. This is a lie.

"Citizens Dividend" is a very old concept. Google it up. An idea with a very "American" flavor.

Math checks out for my corner of the world (per household, not per person), to the penny assuming we end up with 3 instead of just 2 DCs (which would be a given if we get everything done like we intend to do on planning/zoning/overlay). We are actively considering a "rebate program" (once everything comes on line in the 3-6yr timeframe). Literally are looking at scenarios that prompt the thought "what the heck are we going to do with all this revenue?" *

Can't say the "dividend" mechanism will actually happen, though. Legal council advises Texas Government Code does not allow municipalities an easy way to do it. More likely will have to happen via State Lege (with either a state program or a change to GC). But we are going to be able to max out all allowable prop tax deductions, at a minimum. That would be a 4-digit number per household, in one of the poorest cities in the county, so nothing to sneeze at.

*numbers are still soft. We cannot know what the Appraisal Districts are going to do and do not have an obvious pathway to dictate or replace the ADs for valuation. But we are looking at a very conservative range of scenarios - low end estimate of valuation is a third of the high end, the high end being 75% of actual investment cost. (and the lowest number TRIPLES our current budget).

Real word shyte, here. Don't disbelieve it. What you should disbelieve is all the anti-DC nonsense you see. Such incredible nonsense, that.


So yeah, it's total BS. It's not about giving a ton of money to Americans, it's about getting a ton of money from Americans.


Yep...that's it. They think...and hope...we are dumb and that we will just nod our heads and wait for the big fat free checks to come our way.

I know we need DCs to remain competitive in a future global market...I just don't want the masses to have to foot the majority of the bill for the rich tech companies.

I would also hope there would be guardrails in place to protect the environment for the local communities so there is not water contamination or excessive noise pollution.
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Tech CEOs trading shots

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whiterock said:

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This is the only portion of the article I can see that is not behind a paywall...

Maryland homeowners will pay an extra $1.6 billion on their electric bills over the next decade to subsidize grid costs to feed data centers, according to a state agency.

PJM Interconnection LLC, the largest US grid operator, is making Maryland customers cover the costs for transmission projects driven primarily by energy needs of data centers outside the state, Maryland's Office of People's Counsel alleged in a complaint to the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission. Homeowners are effectively subsidizing data-center growth due to the way PJM allocates costs to build those projects, said the agency that represents the interests of Maryland's utility customers.


White rock says this is false. He won't provide a link but it is false.
Not false. Just a great example of spin to confuse simple minds. Everyone who hooks up to PJM will pay, residential AND commercial customers. But let's just do some per capita calculations. $1.6b over 10 years is $160m per year, or $1.3m per month. The monthly number is then divided among 4,794,800 people (population of MD), which works out to $0.26 per person per month.

At this point, the skeptic might respond "that 4,798,000 number includes everyone who lives in a household, not the number of households paying electric bills." Setting aside a few layers of logical and philosophical issues with that, the statement itself would be mathematically true. So we could instead divide the $1,33m/month expense by the number of electric meters in Maryland. Per the internet, there are 2m "smart meters" in Maryland. That would seem to be a low-end number, given that not every electrical meter in the state is a smart meter, but let's recalculate using 2m rather than 4.7m. Actual charge, per meter, would work out to $0.67 per meter.

Is that the kind of dancing on the head of the pin you expect will win arguments? $0.;067 cents per meter per month to fund infrastructure improvements that will serve everyone in the state, data center and grandma alike. Really? This is the outrage you are peddling? This is the threat to democracy you seek to stop dead in its tracks?

Just like he won't prove they create jobs, despite people posting links showing they crest no jobs or very, very few.
LOL. look at the chaotic argument you are making. You are saying DC create no jobs (because they employ fewer people per dollar of investment than many other industries). The reality is, even a low level of job creation is still job creation. a $10b data center that creates 600 jobs is, by definition, creating 600 jobs.

Same for the water claims.
No claims. Just facts. "a million" is a big number. certainly it's a lot of money to the average person. but "a million" is not a terribly big number when you're talking about gallons of water in the ecosystem. The Brazos River, per the BRA, pushes 1.8b gallons of water past McLane Stadium every day. That's enough water to run 1000 data centers. Now, I'm not arguing for 1000 data centers. Not 100 data centers. But a dozen would be sustainable.....use less than 10% of the total water in the Brazos (which is effectively untapped in our county.....only 2 small cities use it as a water source). The benefit would be approximately 6x the current tax base (resulting in massive property tax cuts for county & municipal residents) and roughly 6,000 jobs (making them, collectively, the largest employer in McLennan County). Yet we actually have numbskulls making the argument that rivers are running dry, that frogs falling from the sky, that (insert biblical plague here), and that DC create no jobs and pay no taxes.

Or the noise claims.
The code for "Data Center Alley" (the 500 data centers concentrated in No. Va.) in Loudoun county VA defines DCs as commercial office space, a zoning which allows for 65 decibels at property line.
https://online.encodeplus.com/regs/loudouncounty-va-crosswalk/doc-viewer.aspx#secid--1

For comparison, 65 decibels is the noise level of a standard electric tooth brush. . turn on the electric toothbrush. Set it on the street curb at your home. Go sit in the back yard. Please come back and tell us what you heard.

Now, are there DCs noisier than 65db? Yes. Some. Air-cooled systems are noisier than water cooled systems always/everywhere (and areas short on water tend to go with air-cooling designs). Older systems are noisier than new systems (water and air cooled alike). But we've been building DCs, by the thousands for the last 20 years. Things have improved over time. We can now make DCs whisper-quiet. We just need to have the proper codes in place. Requires more capital investment by the DC, but they are not pushing back at all. The profit margins are strong. And the industries that make the sound-muffling equipment very much appreciate the increase in their business (and all the jobs created thereby).


Or the tax base claims.
What is to contest here? DCs pay enormous amounts of taxes. Here's a fact sheet by the Loudoun Co. Economic Development Corp.
https://23372029.fs1.hubspotusercontent-na1.net/hubfs/23372029/Website%20Files/Data%20Center%20Fact%20Sheet%20One%20Pager%205.1.25.pdf

I mean, look at the nonsense you are suggesting here. A $10b DC shows up. Creates no jobs (even though it will directly employ about 500 people). Creates no tax base (even though DCs have transformed local government budgets all over the country). Creates no benefit at all (as though DCs build themselves. metal buildings and electrical back up generators and BESS units and miles & miles of wires & cables & pipes and highly valuable hyper-speed computing equipment, etc....all springing like weeds out of the ground without any jobs created in any of those industries).


Everyone else provides links. He only calls us backwards and against change but won't provide links to back up his claims.
You are, on this particular issue, being absolutely ******ed. Making incredibly dumb, easily disprovable claims, not the least of which is that 1000 $10b data centers create no activity or taxes at all.

Don't work so hard to be globally obtuse. EIGHT of the top 10 companies on the S&P 500 are tech companies. They need DCs. They will get their DCs. If we don't build the DCs for them here, then they will get them built in Europe or Latin America or Asia. China will take every one of them, if allowed. Why on earth would we let all those jobs and tax base and technology go elsewhere?

To expand on that, it's not like the top 8 companies on the S&P 500 are the only companies needing DCs. EVERY company needs DCs. So does EVERY person in this country. You have at least one cell phone within arms reach right now. Possibly more. So does your spouse. So do your kids. You have at least 1 computer at home, and one at work. So does your spouse. So do your kids. Probably have a smart TV in view right now, and a couple others elsewhere in your home. Count up the number of appliances in your home. The instruction manuals and warranty sign up for any replacements you buy will be available to you on the internet. Might even be a smart appliance with constant connection to the internet. My car is a dedicated hotspot. So is my wife's car. Pull up the wifi connection page on your phone next time you're driving down the interstate. Watch all the other networkable cars pop up connection requests as you go down the highway. EVERYTHING is online. Open up your wallet. Count up the number of credit cards you have. Every time you swipe one......where do you think the payment actually happens? Did you know you have scannable bar codes on your Tx Drivers License/? What do you think happens when you scan that code? I got a passport and an international drivers license last month. Online. Desktop and iPhone camera coordinated via the internet (via home wifi) to get the forms filled out and pictures taken & uploaded. The friggin' $250 wall a/c in the building next to my trailer at our hunting camp 45mi from the nearest grocery store offers to link up with me every time I fire up my iPhone hotspot to use my computer in camp. Oh. We are also switching from Dish to Starlink next season so we can have better wifi while we're watching a football game at lunchtime. All of that viewing pleasure occurs on line. EVERYTHING. is. on. line. In a Data Center, somewhere.

Don't be a Luddite. Look at the world around you. Understand what's happening. More and more of our lives is moving on line. We cannot put that genie back in the bottle. We are doing to have to manage it well. And to do that will require....yes....more data centers. This is good. DCs create a LOT of tax base. And they do create a lot of jobs, unless you think all those computers inside and all those wires inside and all of the concrete and steel and lights and fire suppression systems and asphalt parking lots outside and fences and gates and contractor trucks coming in to mow grounds or replace sensitive equipment are all going to happen spontaneously on their own while somehow not generating any economic activity at all, any tax revenue at all, any jobs at all, etc.....



(don't double down on stupid.)


Yawn.

Lots of blabber by you but no links to prove anything. Just a few links that look at a few specific dcs and say everything is good.

But as usual you will not directly contradict a single post in this thread.

I'm done with you and will not reply to another post of your until you post links showing information to back up ALL of your claims and refutes ALL of the claims in this thread.

No links. You will be ignored as you have provided no facts.

i did provide links to show your allegations were hogwash. You ignored them.

Google up the building codes for Loudoun County, Virgina aka "Data Center Alley." There are over 160 data centers there. All of them under a code allowing no more than 65db of noise.

You are not interested in facts. You just want to purvey Chinese propaganda that Data Centers are evil.


Chinese propaganda???? Lol. That is a good one.

You have provided no evidence. You provide one specific example and somehow act like it applies to everywhere and all DCs.

And it does not.

Then you go absent for weeks and ignore tons of posts in this thread but only respond to the one you want to.

I am done arguing with you. But then again it was never an argument. You just said the same bullet points again and again while ignoring posts that prove you wrong, ignoring links with facts and providing zero evidence of your own.

Provide links or you will get no further responses from me.

Provide links.

I've been busy on a lot of things, to include work + DC projects heating up + a 12-day trip to Europe to see my daughter get her 4th MSM oak leaf cluster at her change of command ceremony. DC stuff included meetings with three different engineering staffs, hydrologists at BRA, a couple of planners from Wall Street firms on infrastructure needs, etc..... Had a fascinating meeting with a guy from Endeavour. Did you know they have a gas generation plant that has noise rating of 70db at 6 feet outside the building? (70db is the sound of a car engine at idle). Did you know they have a cooling system that actually generates more water than it uses? (those DCs you see in desert areas are using systems like that). Thrilling to see the lungs & heart of a free market economy doing what they are supposed to do - supply chain constraints forcing innovation that benefits everyone.
(Go get your own link on Endeavour. Google is your friend).

On July 10th, I'm going to Abilene. The ERCOT Chairman (a personal friend) invited me to join a group he's taking to tour the Stargate facility in Abilene (to see DC stuff) and meet with the Taylor Co Judge (on impacts to county/municipal budgets).

Meanwhile, you will continue to educate yourself by reading Roy Singham-produced propaganda on how Data Centers are the modern evil which must be exterminated from planet Earth. It's got to be true, you know. it's on Facebook! I can only hope to reach your level of understanding.


And still no links and still ignoring all the other posts in this thread proving you wrong.

Propaganda is the oxygen of ignorance. It's supposed to make you feel good. Read your links again. You will see there are no facts. Just presumptive doom and emote, trying to turn one of the cleanest economic activities we have into proverbial smoke belching smokestack industry.

You don't need links to emerge from your trance. Just eyes and a brain. Close all the data centers. Then see what happens. If your paycheck is a direct deposit to your bank account, you will not get paid next week/month. But even if you get a paper check in an envelope, you will not be able to deposit it. How will the bank actually put the funds in your account if they can't scan it into their system? They can't even manually key it into your account, as that account is not actually kept on a computer inside the bank building....it's kept on a data center somewhere (that you closed). If you try to write a check on remaining funds in your bank account, it will not clear. There was a time when that check you wrote went to the payee's bank. Then to the nearest Fed clearing house, then back to your bank, then back to you at the end of the month. It used to be about a 5 day loop. Now, that all happens virtually. Via data centers. Today, your vendor's bank scans that check electronically, and the loop happens....on data centers, in moments. Visa processes 83k transactions PER SECOND worldwide. 30k of them in a single DC in Loudoun Co, VA.
https://corporate.visa.com/en/sites/visa-perspectives/security-trust/inside-visa-global-commerce-engine.html

Your employer will have the same dilemma at its banks. It will not be able to generate and send a purchase order. It will not be able to log in inventory, or even pull existing inventory from the shelves for shipment out. It will not be able to generate a work order for the shop floor. Or a sales ticket. It will not be able to pay its vendors. It will not be able to book sales transactions. It will have to lay off staff, because it cannot operate. That is all a logical result of the tech companies realizing way back when that data storage and compute were serious limiting factors in their business models, which would over time massively drive up cost & space for the average desktop computer. The solution? Remote storage of data and SAAS (Software as a Service). So you don't have to but ever more expensive store/compute on your laptop or hand-held device, nor pay for ever more sophisticated software, nor worry about keeping pace with updates to ensure it all works properly. You can just pay a monthly fee for access to software and data stored, maintained, updated on remote servers....i.e. in data centers.

We are having this conversation on a data center. Everything that happens on this site happens on a data center. Every story. Every picture. (rinse and repeat on everything you touch today). The irony of the anti-DataCenter movement using data centers (facebook/insta/X) to fight data centers is profound.

Data centers are not tech industry, friend. They are the new leg of critical infrastructure. Just as important as electrical generation, electrical power lines, water mains, sewer mains, fiber optic cable networks, rail lines, highways, gas & oil pipelines, etc..... We are going to more than double the number of DCs over the next ten years. There will be be economies and efficiencies along the way. They'll take less space, need less water, and power generation will eventually become mostly on-site generated. But we cannot do without them as long as we use things like iPhones, PCs, credit cards, ERP systems, social media, Netflix, self-checkout at HEB, self-driving cars, etc.....

More Data Centers is your future. It is not a bad future. It's a very good one. It's coming whether you like it or not. You can learn it, live with it, profit from it. Or you can get passed up by the railroad and become a dot on a map without a trace of a single improved structure. Your choice. Your legacy.


Blah blah blah.

Still ignoring all the posts that make your precious data centers look bad.
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Is there a Data Center in Whiterock's neighborhood?
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WORLDS ARE COLLIDING.............

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You are missing the point that would not be cost effective. CEOs would not be able to post record profits each quarter and rack up huge bonuses.

Funny, they have sold us a race war, when the real war is between the "C-suite" and the rest of us.

Listen to the CEOs on this site, they are the ones fighting for Trump because they are making money hand over fist.

They would get rid of labor for robotics in a heartbeat, their #1 headache is labor and those pesky benefits like health insurance, retirement benefits and vacation. Only the Executives deserve such things...

Don't get fooled by the misdirection of capitalism vs socialism, it is a zero sum game, the more they have to pay out to those pesky workers the less they have.
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william said:

boognish_bear said:



WORLDS ARE COLLIDING.............

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Mamdami's effect... The fall of biz in NY state
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FLBear5630 said:

Yeah, I see. Golden Age? If you are on board with the Trump boys industries, yeah they are being set up to be Golden. But, there are a lot of perilous signs in the current situation.

But, from your perspective of providing Data Centers, yeah Golden. Public trough is open to you, private equity and Government protection. What's not to like, unless you live somewhere you target...

It's not "Trump industries," knucklehead. It's the next Industrial Revolution. It's the infrastructure of the modern economy. All industries of any significance are wholly or partly running their companies on remote servers (data centers). That tend will accelerate as all of those industries embrace AI.

Dude. My 40-ish year old neighbor owns a car salvage yard, on of the "pick your own parts" models. He's spending most of his fine building AI platforms to find, procure, ship, receive, store, and sell parts. Moving as much of his business online as possible. Guy has a high school degree. He sees AI as his future. He wise, because it is. I use AI. Wife uses AI. If you are not using it, the train is leaving you behind.

You have done very outdated quasi-Marxist thinking going on.

You dictate we are having this conversation on a data center, don't you?
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whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

Yeah, I see. Golden Age? If you are on board with the Trump boys industries, yeah they are being set up to be Golden. But, there are a lot of perilous signs in the current situation.

But, from your perspective of providing Data Centers, yeah Golden. Public trough is open to you, private equity and Government protection. What's not to like, unless you live somewhere you target...

It's not "Trump industries," knucklehead. It's the next Industrial Revolution. It's the infrastructure of the modern economy. All industries of any significance are wholly or partly running their companies on remote servers (data centers). That tend will accelerate as all of those industries embrace AI.

Dude. My 40-ish year old neighbor owns a car salvage yard, on of the "pick your own parts" models. He's spending most of his fine building AI platforms to find, procure, ship, receive, store, and sell parts. Moving as much of his business online as possible. Guy has a high school degree. He sees AI as his future. He wise, because it is. I use AI. Wife uses AI. If you are not using it, the train is leaving you behind.

You have done very outdated quasi-Marxist thinking going on.

You dictate we are having this conversation on a data center, don't you?


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Seems like a fair request

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boognish_bear said:



Have to admit, the idea of a bot doing a root canal is mondo scary.
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Oldbear83 said:

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Have to admit, the idea of a bot doing a root canal is mondo scary.


Ai closed captioning still a work in progress apparently
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This is what I am talking about. Unless the Developers Agreements are in writing and have specifics identified, such as decibel levels, water quality and usage, energy provision, clear zones they DCs will gut the local communities. They will build cheap and use every bit of infrastructure they can and then make the locals upgrade or threaten to leave.

It reminds me of the gambling craze of the 90's. Communities wanted gambling on their terms. Initially they agreed, only on weekends, 2 am limits. Then the casinos needed infrastructure - roads, water, wastewater. The communities bonded it and took on the debt for economic development.

Then the casinos said they need 24 hours, only on weekends or they would have to leave. Then it was 7 days a week or they would have to leave. On and on it went until they got everything they could and still left. Leaving communities with bond payments, assessments and crime issues.

They need to make the business pay, not the communities. Seen this for 35 years, it usually does not end well for the small towns.
 
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