The future automation of the workforce

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The City of Bastrop is holding a City Council meeting hours away in Fredericksburg, making it nearly impossible for the people they represent to attend and participate.

That's especially troubling when the agenda includes major issues like the city budget, property tax rate, legislative priorities, data center policy, and Flock camera technologytopics that directly affect Bastrop residents.

Public meetings should be accessible to the public. Moving them out of town undermines transparency and meaningful citizen participation.

This is unacceptable. I will be filing legislation to require that city council meetings be held in the city they represent so the public has a fair opportunity to attend, speak, and hold their elected officials accountable
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Well, Elon isn't wrong about the ultimate test.
How about we start really small and work from there, though? Like with toy car.
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EatMoreSalmon said:

Well, Elon isn't wrong about the ultimate test.
How about we start really small and work from there, though? Like with toy car.

It's a surprise to me that Elon seems not to know about a Deming Loop.

Of course, using one would reveal the self-driving car accidents, the AI hallucinations, the complaints about contaminated water and soil from data centers, frankly a lot of things which need to be corrected before even thinking about moving forward.
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Oldbear83 said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Well, Elon isn't wrong about the ultimate test.
How about we start really small and work from there, though? Like with toy car.

It's a surprise to me that Elon seems not to know about a Deming Loop.

Of course, using one would reveal the self-driving car accidents, the AI hallucinations, the complaints about contaminated water and soil from data centers, frankly a lot of things which need to be corrected before even thinking about moving forward.


I fear all these companies in a race to be the first to reach AGI will cause some to not take the precautions they should
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Are they really???

I can think of lots of questions.

Or maybe just give it a really hard one like "What is the cure for cancer?" And let it go figure that one out.
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cowboycwr said:

boognish_bear said:




Are they really???

I can think of lots of questions.

Or maybe just give it a really hard one like "What is the cure for cancer?" And let it go figure that one out.

Grok says;

There is no single "cure for cancer."
Cancer is not one diseaseit is an umbrella term for more than 200 distinct diseases (with many subtypes), each driven by different genetic mutations, behaviors, and responses to treatment.
Why a universal cure does not exist
  • Cancer cells are mutated versions of a person's own cells, making them hard to target selectively without harming healthy tissue.
  • Tumors are genetically heterogeneous: even within one tumor, different cell populations can have different mutations. Treatments that kill some cells often leave others that can regrow and develop resistance.
  • Causes vary widely (genetic, environmental, viral, lifestyle, random mutations), so no one approach works for everything.
  • Late-stage or metastatic disease is much harder to eliminate completely than early-stage disease.
What is possible
Many individual cancers can be cured, especially when detected early:
  • Surgery, radiation, chemotherapy, hormone therapy, targeted drugs, and immunotherapy can eliminate all detectable cancer in many patients.
  • High cure rates (or very long-term remissions that function as cures for the patient) exist for certain early-stage cancers (e.g., some thyroid, prostate, testicular, breast, colorectal, melanoma) and specific blood cancers (certain leukemias and lymphomas).
  • WHO notes that common cancers such as breast, cervical, oral, and colorectal have high cure probabilities with early detection and standard treatment; some childhood leukemias/lymphomas and testicular seminoma also have high cure rates even when more advanced.
Doctors often prefer the term remission (complete or partial) over "cure" because microscopic residual cells can sometimes lead to recurrence years later. A complete remission lasting many years is, for practical purposes, a cure for many people.
Progress is real and accelerating
  • Overall cancer survival has improved substantially (U.S. 5-year relative survival reached ~70% for recent diagnoses in recent statistics).
  • Advances in immunotherapy (checkpoint inhibitors, CAR-T), targeted therapies, and emerging approaches (personalized mRNA vaccines, new KRAS inhibitors, etc.) are producing complete tumor regressions and long-term remissions in cancers that were previously very difficult to treat.
  • Prevention (vaccines like HPV, smoking cessation, screening) and earlier detection continue to increase the proportion of cancers that are curable.
Bottom line: There is no magic bullet that cures every cancer. Effective, evidence-based treatments already cure many people of specific cancers, especially when caught early, and research is steadily turning more types into manageable or curable conditions. Always rely on qualified oncologists and established medical sources rather than unproven claims of a hidden or universal cure.
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Assassin
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Assassin said:

cowboycwr said:

boognish_bear said:




Are they really???

I can think of lots of questions.

Or maybe just give it a really hard one like "What is the cure for cancer?" And let it go figure that one out.

Grok says;

There is no single "cure for cancer."
Cancer is not one diseaseit is an umbrella term for more than 200 distinct diseases (with many subtypes), each driven by different genetic mutations, behaviors, and responses to treatment.
Why a universal cure does not exist
  • Cancer cells are mutated versions of a person's own cells, making them hard to target selectively without harming healthy tissue.
  • Tumors are genetically heterogeneous: even within one tumor, different cell populations can have different mutations. Treatments that kill some cells often leave others that can regrow and develop resistance.
  • Causes vary widely (genetic, environmental, viral, lifestyle, random mutations), so no one approach works for everything.
  • Late-stage or metastatic disease is much harder to eliminate completely than early-stage disease.
What is possible
Many individual cancers can be cured, especially when detected early:
  • Surgery, radiation, chemotherapy, hormone therapy, targeted drugs, and immunotherapy can eliminate all detectable cancer in many patients.
  • High cure rates (or very long-term remissions that function as cures for the patient) exist for certain early-stage cancers (e.g., some thyroid, prostate, testicular, breast, colorectal, melanoma) and specific blood cancers (certain leukemias and lymphomas).
  • WHO notes that common cancers such as breast, cervical, oral, and colorectal have high cure probabilities with early detection and standard treatment; some childhood leukemias/lymphomas and testicular seminoma also have high cure rates even when more advanced.
Doctors often prefer the term remission (complete or partial) over "cure" because microscopic residual cells can sometimes lead to recurrence years later. A complete remission lasting many years is, for practical purposes, a cure for many people.
Progress is real and accelerating
  • Overall cancer survival has improved substantially (U.S. 5-year relative survival reached ~70% for recent diagnoses in recent statistics).
  • Advances in immunotherapy (checkpoint inhibitors, CAR-T), targeted therapies, and emerging approaches (personalized mRNA vaccines, new KRAS inhibitors, etc.) are producing complete tumor regressions and long-term remissions in cancers that were previously very difficult to treat.
  • Prevention (vaccines like HPV, smoking cessation, screening) and earlier detection continue to increase the proportion of cancers that are curable.
Bottom line: There is no magic bullet that cures every cancer. Effective, evidence-based treatments already cure many people of specific cancers, especially when caught early, and research is steadily turning more types into manageable or curable conditions. Always rely on qualified oncologists and established medical sources rather than unproven claims of a hidden or universal cure.

And if none of those work:

When standard treatments no longer work or a cure is not possible, the focus shifts from trying to eliminate the cancer to controlling symptoms, maximizing quality of life, and supporting the patient and family. This is a common and difficult point in advanced or refractory cancer.
Main options and approaches
  • Further treatment attempts: Additional lines of therapy (different drugs, combinations, or radiation) may still slow growth, shrink tumors temporarily, or relieve symptoms in some cases. Clinical trials of experimental agents (new immunotherapies, targeted drugs, vaccines, etc.) are often considered when standard options are exhausted. These are not guaranteed to succeed and carry risks, so decisions involve careful discussion of expected benefits versus side effects, time commitment, and goals.
  • Palliative (supportive) care: This is specialized care focused on relieving pain, nausea, fatigue, shortness of breath, and other symptoms, while also addressing emotional, psychological, social, and spiritual needs. It can (and should) start earlyalongside active treatmentand continues if disease-directed therapy stops. Multiple studies show early palliative care improves quality of life, reduces symptom burden, and can even modestly extend survival in some advanced cancers by helping patients feel better and avoid unnecessary aggressive interventions near the end of life.
  • Hospice care: When the emphasis moves fully to comfort (typically when life expectancy is measured in months or less and further disease-directed treatment is unlikely to help), hospice provides comprehensive support at home or in a facility. It includes medical, nursing, counseling, and practical help for patients and caregivers. Choosing hospice does not mean "giving up"it means prioritizing comfort and dignity. Evidence indicates it does not shorten survival compared with continuing ineffective treatments and often improves the experience for everyone involved.
Important considerations
Goals of care conversations with the oncology team (and often a palliative specialist) are essential. These cover what matters most to the patienttime with family, independence, comfort, avoiding certain side effectsand help decide whether more treatment is worthwhile. Second opinions from another cancer center can be valuable.
Unproven alternative "cures" (special diets, supplements, clinics promising miracles) lack reliable evidence of benefit and can cause harm, delay appropriate care, or create false hope. Stick with evidence-based medical guidance.
Outcomes vary widely by cancer type, overall health, and individual response. Some people live longer than expected with good symptom control; others experience a more rapid decline. Prognosis discussions should be honest but tailored to what the patient wants to know.
This stage is emotionally hard. Support from palliative/hospice teams, counselors, social workers, support groups, and loved ones makes a real difference. Resources such as the American Cancer Society, Cancer Support Community, or local hospice organizations can help with practical and emotional needs.
Talk directly with the treating oncologist or a palliative care specialist about the specific situationthey can give personalized information based on the exact cancer, prior treatments, and current health. No online answer can replace that conversation.
When standard treatments no longer work or a cure is not possible, the focus shifts from trying to eliminate the cancer to controlling symptoms, maximizing quality of life, and supporting the patient and family. This is a common and difficult point in advanced or refractory cancer.
Main options and approaches
  • Further treatment attempts: Additional lines of therapy (different drugs, combinations, or radiation) may still slow growth, shrink tumors temporarily, or relieve symptoms in some cases. Clinical trials of experimental agents (new immunotherapies, targeted drugs, vaccines, etc.) are often considered when standard options are exhausted. These are not guaranteed to succeed and carry risks, so decisions involve careful discussion of expected benefits versus side effects, time commitment, and goals.
  • Palliative (supportive) care: This is specialized care focused on relieving pain, nausea, fatigue, shortness of breath, and other symptoms, while also addressing emotional, psychological, social, and spiritual needs. It can (and should) start earlyalongside active treatmentand continues if disease-directed therapy stops. Multiple studies show early palliative care improves quality of life, reduces symptom burden, and can even modestly extend survival in some advanced cancers by helping patients feel better and avoid unnecessary aggressive interventions near the end of life.
  • Hospice care: When the emphasis moves fully to comfort (typically when life expectancy is measured in months or less and further disease-directed treatment is unlikely to help), hospice provides comprehensive support at home or in a facility. It includes medical, nursing, counseling, and practical help for patients and caregivers. Choosing hospice does not mean "giving up"it means prioritizing comfort and dignity. Evidence indicates it does not shorten survival compared with continuing ineffective treatments and often improves the experience for everyone involved.
Important considerations
Goals of care conversations with the oncology team (and often a palliative specialist) are essential. These cover what matters most to the patienttime with family, independence, comfort, avoiding certain side effectsand help decide whether more treatment is worthwhile. Second opinions from another cancer center can be valuable.
Unproven alternative "cures" (special diets, supplements, clinics promising miracles) lack reliable evidence of benefit and can cause harm, delay appropriate care, or create false hope. Stick with evidence-based medical guidance.
Outcomes vary widely by cancer type, overall health, and individual response. Some people live longer than expected with good symptom control; others experience a more rapid decline. Prognosis discussions should be honest but tailored to what the patient wants to know.
This stage is emotionally hard. Support from palliative/hospice teams, counselors, social workers, support groups, and loved ones makes a real difference. Resources such as the American Cancer Society, Cancer Support Community, or local hospice organizations can help with practical and emotional needs.
Talk directly with the treating oncologist or a palliative care specialist about the specific situationthey can give personalized information based on the exact cancer, prior treatments, and current health. No online answer can replace that conversation.
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Assassin said:

cowboycwr said:

boognish_bear said:




Are they really???

I can think of lots of questions.

Or maybe just give it a really hard one like "What is the cure for cancer?" And let it go figure that one out.

Grok says;

There is no single "cure for cancer."
Cancer is not one diseaseit is an umbrella term for more than 200 distinct diseases (with many subtypes), each driven by different genetic mutations, behaviors, and responses to treatment.
Why a universal cure does not exist
  • Cancer cells are mutated versions of a person's own cells, making them hard to target selectively without harming healthy tissue.
  • Tumors are genetically heterogeneous: even within one tumor, different cell populations can have different mutations. Treatments that kill some cells often leave others that can regrow and develop resistance.
  • Causes vary widely (genetic, environmental, viral, lifestyle, random mutations), so no one approach works for everything.
  • Late-stage or metastatic disease is much harder to eliminate completely than early-stage disease.
What is possible
Many individual cancers can be cured, especially when detected early:
  • Surgery, radiation, chemotherapy, hormone therapy, targeted drugs, and immunotherapy can eliminate all detectable cancer in many patients.
  • High cure rates (or very long-term remissions that function as cures for the patient) exist for certain early-stage cancers (e.g., some thyroid, prostate, testicular, breast, colorectal, melanoma) and specific blood cancers (certain leukemias and lymphomas).
  • WHO notes that common cancers such as breast, cervical, oral, and colorectal have high cure probabilities with early detection and standard treatment; some childhood leukemias/lymphomas and testicular seminoma also have high cure rates even when more advanced.
Doctors often prefer the term remission (complete or partial) over "cure" because microscopic residual cells can sometimes lead to recurrence years later. A complete remission lasting many years is, for practical purposes, a cure for many people.
Progress is real and accelerating
  • Overall cancer survival has improved substantially (U.S. 5-year relative survival reached ~70% for recent diagnoses in recent statistics).
  • Advances in immunotherapy (checkpoint inhibitors, CAR-T), targeted therapies, and emerging approaches (personalized mRNA vaccines, new KRAS inhibitors, etc.) are producing complete tumor regressions and long-term remissions in cancers that were previously very difficult to treat.
  • Prevention (vaccines like HPV, smoking cessation, screening) and earlier detection continue to increase the proportion of cancers that are curable.
Bottom line: There is no magic bullet that cures every cancer. Effective, evidence-based treatments already cure many people of specific cancers, especially when caught early, and research is steadily turning more types into manageable or curable conditions. Always rely on qualified oncologists and established medical sources rather than unproven claims of a hidden or universal cure.


The point still stands. Ask AI to cure each specific type. Not all the stuff you posted about remission but a cure. A complete removal. And one that doesn't require everything listed.

Then move on to other diseases.

But the point stands of saying "we have run out of questions" is flat out not true.
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cowboycwr said:

Assassin said:

cowboycwr said:

boognish_bear said:




Are they really???

I can think of lots of questions.

Or maybe just give it a really hard one like "What is the cure for cancer?" And let it go figure that one out.

Grok says;

There is no single "cure for cancer."
Cancer is not one diseaseit is an umbrella term for more than 200 distinct diseases (with many subtypes), each driven by different genetic mutations, behaviors, and responses to treatment.
Why a universal cure does not exist
  • Cancer cells are mutated versions of a person's own cells, making them hard to target selectively without harming healthy tissue.
  • Tumors are genetically heterogeneous: even within one tumor, different cell populations can have different mutations. Treatments that kill some cells often leave others that can regrow and develop resistance.
  • Causes vary widely (genetic, environmental, viral, lifestyle, random mutations), so no one approach works for everything.
  • Late-stage or metastatic disease is much harder to eliminate completely than early-stage disease.
What is possible
Many individual cancers can be cured, especially when detected early:
  • Surgery, radiation, chemotherapy, hormone therapy, targeted drugs, and immunotherapy can eliminate all detectable cancer in many patients.
  • High cure rates (or very long-term remissions that function as cures for the patient) exist for certain early-stage cancers (e.g., some thyroid, prostate, testicular, breast, colorectal, melanoma) and specific blood cancers (certain leukemias and lymphomas).
  • WHO notes that common cancers such as breast, cervical, oral, and colorectal have high cure probabilities with early detection and standard treatment; some childhood leukemias/lymphomas and testicular seminoma also have high cure rates even when more advanced.
Doctors often prefer the term remission (complete or partial) over "cure" because microscopic residual cells can sometimes lead to recurrence years later. A complete remission lasting many years is, for practical purposes, a cure for many people.
Progress is real and accelerating
  • Overall cancer survival has improved substantially (U.S. 5-year relative survival reached ~70% for recent diagnoses in recent statistics).
  • Advances in immunotherapy (checkpoint inhibitors, CAR-T), targeted therapies, and emerging approaches (personalized mRNA vaccines, new KRAS inhibitors, etc.) are producing complete tumor regressions and long-term remissions in cancers that were previously very difficult to treat.
  • Prevention (vaccines like HPV, smoking cessation, screening) and earlier detection continue to increase the proportion of cancers that are curable.
Bottom line: There is no magic bullet that cures every cancer. Effective, evidence-based treatments already cure many people of specific cancers, especially when caught early, and research is steadily turning more types into manageable or curable conditions. Always rely on qualified oncologists and established medical sources rather than unproven claims of a hidden or universal cure.


The point still stands. Ask AI to cure each specific type. Not all the stuff you posted about remission but a cure. A complete removal. And one that doesn't require everything listed.

Then move on to other diseases.

But the point stands of saying "we have run out of questions" is flat out not true.


Provable test questions are still what's needed. Have a specialist AI design a toy car and see how it fits safety standards, manufacturing standards, durability standards, and then children's standards. If it can't, then it needs more training, and no one got seriously hurt.
Grow it from there first.
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No doubt Orpheus will have an influence!
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Didnt DeLorian try this once before, the steel thing....
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"Action from the US Senate"...what is that?

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boognish_bear said:

"Action from the US Senate"...what is that?



Sounds like something someone with ties to Communist China would say...
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"Action from the US Senate"...what is that?



They will call them in for a "hearing" so the senators can yell at them, call them names, ask questions but interrupt them when they try to answer and argue with the other senators over whether the witness has a right to give an answer when asked the question or if the time belongs 100% to the member of Congress.

As this has happened in the last few weeks.
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How about decades. Did you ever watch the Oliver a Notth interrogations?
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"Action from the US Senate"...what is that?





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What is happening?

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What is happening?




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EatMoreSalmon said:

boognish_bear said:

What is happening?







I actually thought he looked like the guy from the Untouchables. The one that killed Sean C and got thrown off the roof of the courthouse when Costner caught him with the address.
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And what quality was that coffee?
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Still slower than the average Chick Fil A drive through on a Saturday afternoon.
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That's a slow moving robot to actually make that many cups in an hour. Heat lamp coffee.
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