EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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canoso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have the hostages been released?

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Keep asking this question, my friend. The silence is deafening.

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Still waiting to hear how it's relevant. Are you saying it's acceptable to punish the innocent for Hamas' crimes?

The silence does indeed speak loudly.

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Please delineate for everyone who in Gaza is innocent in your estimation.

Just to help:
Were hitler youth innocent?
Were the League of German Girls innocent?
Were those just going to work supporting the German economy innocent?
How would outsiders only feed the innocent and not the combatants and supporters at the same time?
When is it the responsibility of combatants who control a territory to take care of the citizens in that territory and give up their quest for power? Are the babies in their jurisdiction their responsibility?
Hamas initiated this with a savage attack on civilians including babies.do you think they really care about babies' health as long as they are in power?

Maybe the Russians in Ukraine should call a ceasefire so everyone in Ukraine can sit down for dinner peacefully and rest up. Stop their offensive and send in food and medicines for the Ukrainians, then try to restart the offensive later.

Historically and militarily the demands on Israel at this point are unprecedented. It's the old "rules for thee and not for me" type of demands. No major nation would acquiesce to the demands you provide for Israel to "stop the genocide". They are in a war of survival and self defense. They have just been attacked on two fronts.

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All non-combatants are innocent for purposes of this discussion. Obviously that includes civilian workers and youth.

Occupying powers have a responsibility under international law to restore public order and safety by, among other things, preventing mass starvation and disease. There is absolutely nothing new or unprecedented about this demand.

The conflict didn't start on October 7. It's Israel that is now attacking on at least four fronts.

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Israel is not an occupying force if they don't control the area.

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If you're suggesting that the presence of an insurgency negates Israel's status as an occupying power, that would be incorrect. By its very definition, insurgency is a violent and organized rebellion against a government or occupying authority.

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If you are suggesting that Israel occupies an area they have not conquered, you need to reconsider which dictionary you are using.

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Israel conquered Gaza and has occupied it since 1967. The ICJ and the UN General Assembly have been perfectly clear about this.

Sam,
Have the hostages been released?

Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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canoso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have the hostages been released?

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Keep asking this question, my friend. The silence is deafening.

---

Still waiting to hear how it's relevant. Are you saying it's acceptable to punish the innocent for Hamas' crimes?

The silence does indeed speak loudly.

---

Please delineate for everyone who in Gaza is innocent in your estimation.

Just to help:
Were hitler youth innocent?
Were the League of German Girls innocent?
Were those just going to work supporting the German economy innocent?
How would outsiders only feed the innocent and not the combatants and supporters at the same time?
When is it the responsibility of combatants who control a territory to take care of the citizens in that territory and give up their quest for power? Are the babies in their jurisdiction their responsibility?
Hamas initiated this with a savage attack on civilians including babies.do you think they really care about babies' health as long as they are in power?

Maybe the Russians in Ukraine should call a ceasefire so everyone in Ukraine can sit down for dinner peacefully and rest up. Stop their offensive and send in food and medicines for the Ukrainians, then try to restart the offensive later.

Historically and militarily the demands on Israel at this point are unprecedented. It's the old "rules for thee and not for me" type of demands. No major nation would acquiesce to the demands you provide for Israel to "stop the genocide". They are in a war of survival and self defense. They have just been attacked on two fronts.

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All non-combatants are innocent for purposes of this discussion. Obviously that includes civilian workers and youth.

Occupying powers have a responsibility under international law to restore public order and safety by, among other things, preventing mass starvation and disease. There is absolutely nothing new or unprecedented about this demand.

The conflict didn't start on October 7. It's Israel that is now attacking on at least four fronts.

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Israel is not an occupying force if they don't control the area.

---

If you're suggesting that the presence of an insurgency negates Israel's status as an occupying power, that would be incorrect. By its very definition, insurgency is a violent and organized rebellion against a government or occupying authority.

---

If you are suggesting that Israel occupies an area they have not conquered, you need to reconsider which dictionary you are using.

---

Israel conquered Gaza and has occupied it since 1967. The ICJ and the UN General Assembly have been perfectly clear about this.

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Israel left Gaza in 2005 including any settlers. Gaza has been autonomous since then. Israel would have to defeat Hamas to reoccupy it presently.

EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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canoso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have the hostages been released?

---

Keep asking this question, my friend. The silence is deafening.

---

Still waiting to hear how it's relevant. Are you saying it's acceptable to punish the innocent for Hamas' crimes?

The silence does indeed speak loudly.

---

Please delineate for everyone who in Gaza is innocent in your estimation.

Just to help:
Were hitler youth innocent?
Were the League of German Girls innocent?
Were those just going to work supporting the German economy innocent?
How would outsiders only feed the innocent and not the combatants and supporters at the same time?
When is it the responsibility of combatants who control a territory to take care of the citizens in that territory and give up their quest for power? Are the babies in their jurisdiction their responsibility?
Hamas initiated this with a savage attack on civilians including babies.do you think they really care about babies' health as long as they are in power?

Maybe the Russians in Ukraine should call a ceasefire so everyone in Ukraine can sit down for dinner peacefully and rest up. Stop their offensive and send in food and medicines for the Ukrainians, then try to restart the offensive later.

Historically and militarily the demands on Israel at this point are unprecedented. It's the old "rules for thee and not for me" type of demands. No major nation would acquiesce to the demands you provide for Israel to "stop the genocide". They are in a war of survival and self defense. They have just been attacked on two fronts.

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All non-combatants are innocent for purposes of this discussion. Obviously that includes civilian workers and youth.

Occupying powers have a responsibility under international law to restore public order and safety by, among other things, preventing mass starvation and disease. There is absolutely nothing new or unprecedented about this demand.

The conflict didn't start on October 7. It's Israel that is now attacking on at least four fronts.

---

Israel is not an occupying force if they don't control the area.

---

If you're suggesting that the presence of an insurgency negates Israel's status as an occupying power, that would be incorrect. By its very definition, insurgency is a violent and organized rebellion against a government or occupying authority.

---

If you are suggesting that Israel occupies an area they have not conquered, you need to reconsider which dictionary you are using.

---

Israel conquered Gaza and has occupied it since 1967. The ICJ and the UN General Assembly have been perfectly clear about this.

---

Israel left Gaza in 2005 including any settlers. Gaza has been autonomous since then. Israel would have to defeat Hamas to reoccupy it presently.

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You're against the overwhelming weight of authority on that. Israel continues to control borders, airspace, maritime access, living conditions, and pretty much anything else you can think of. Gazans are completely at the mercy of Israel for access to food, water, medicine, and fuel. They aren't even allowed to fish in their own seas.

Have the hostages been released?

historian said:

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Have the hostages been released?

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Many hostages are still unjustly imprisoned, some of them even by Hamas. There's little hope they'll be released any time soon.

Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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canoso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have the hostages been released?

---

Keep asking this question, my friend. The silence is deafening.

---

Still waiting to hear how it's relevant. Are you saying it's acceptable to punish the innocent for Hamas' crimes?

The silence does indeed speak loudly.

---

Please delineate for everyone who in Gaza is innocent in your estimation.

Just to help:
Were hitler youth innocent?
Were the League of German Girls innocent?
Were those just going to work supporting the German economy innocent?
How would outsiders only feed the innocent and not the combatants and supporters at the same time?
When is it the responsibility of combatants who control a territory to take care of the citizens in that territory and give up their quest for power? Are the babies in their jurisdiction their responsibility?
Hamas initiated this with a savage attack on civilians including babies.do you think they really care about babies' health as long as they are in power?

Maybe the Russians in Ukraine should call a ceasefire so everyone in Ukraine can sit down for dinner peacefully and rest up. Stop their offensive and send in food and medicines for the Ukrainians, then try to restart the offensive later.

Historically and militarily the demands on Israel at this point are unprecedented. It's the old "rules for thee and not for me" type of demands. No major nation would acquiesce to the demands you provide for Israel to "stop the genocide". They are in a war of survival and self defense. They have just been attacked on two fronts.

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All non-combatants are innocent for purposes of this discussion. Obviously that includes civilian workers and youth.

Occupying powers have a responsibility under international law to restore public order and safety by, among other things, preventing mass starvation and disease. There is absolutely nothing new or unprecedented about this demand.

The conflict didn't start on October 7. It's Israel that is now attacking on at least four fronts.

---

Israel is not an occupying force if they don't control the area.

---

If you're suggesting that the presence of an insurgency negates Israel's status as an occupying power, that would be incorrect. By its very definition, insurgency is a violent and organized rebellion against a government or occupying authority.

---

If you are suggesting that Israel occupies an area they have not conquered, you need to reconsider which dictionary you are using.

---

Israel conquered Gaza and has occupied it since 1967. The ICJ and the UN General Assembly have been perfectly clear about this.

---

Israel left Gaza in 2005 including any settlers. Gaza has been autonomous since then. Israel would have to defeat Hamas to reoccupy it presently.

---

You're against the overwhelming weight of authority on that. Israel continues to control borders, airspace, maritime access, living conditions, and pretty much anything else you can think of. Gazans are completely at the mercy of Israel for access to food, water, medicine, and fuel. They aren't even allowed to fish in their own seas.

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You are forgetting Egypt borders Gaza. They are not willing to let aid go there either.
Israel has no effective control in Gaza. You are a politician arguing semantics over reality. Hamas controls most of Gaza. Israel would have to conquer it to control it.

Israel actually does provide lots of aid to Gaza in the areas they control. But it's a limited area and they have to fight Hamas, the UN, and others to do it.

All the accusations against Israel are idiotic political theater by antisemites.

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Israel actually does provide lots of aid to Gaza in the areas they control. But it's a limited area and they have to fight Hamas, the UN, and others to do it.

All the accusations against Israel are idiotic political theater by antisemites.

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Why do you think there are so many antisemites, especially the ones that buy what the Legacy Media is selling?

EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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canoso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have the hostages been released?

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Keep asking this question, my friend. The silence is deafening.

---

Still waiting to hear how it's relevant. Are you saying it's acceptable to punish the innocent for Hamas' crimes?

The silence does indeed speak loudly.

---

Please delineate for everyone who in Gaza is innocent in your estimation.

Just to help:
Were hitler youth innocent?
Were the League of German Girls innocent?
Were those just going to work supporting the German economy innocent?
How would outsiders only feed the innocent and not the combatants and supporters at the same time?
When is it the responsibility of combatants who control a territory to take care of the citizens in that territory and give up their quest for power? Are the babies in their jurisdiction their responsibility?
Hamas initiated this with a savage attack on civilians including babies.do you think they really care about babies' health as long as they are in power?

Maybe the Russians in Ukraine should call a ceasefire so everyone in Ukraine can sit down for dinner peacefully and rest up. Stop their offensive and send in food and medicines for the Ukrainians, then try to restart the offensive later.

Historically and militarily the demands on Israel at this point are unprecedented. It's the old "rules for thee and not for me" type of demands. No major nation would acquiesce to the demands you provide for Israel to "stop the genocide". They are in a war of survival and self defense. They have just been attacked on two fronts.

---

All non-combatants are innocent for purposes of this discussion. Obviously that includes civilian workers and youth.

Occupying powers have a responsibility under international law to restore public order and safety by, among other things, preventing mass starvation and disease. There is absolutely nothing new or unprecedented about this demand.

The conflict didn't start on October 7. It's Israel that is now attacking on at least four fronts.

---

Israel is not an occupying force if they don't control the area.

---

If you're suggesting that the presence of an insurgency negates Israel's status as an occupying power, that would be incorrect. By its very definition, insurgency is a violent and organized rebellion against a government or occupying authority.

---

If you are suggesting that Israel occupies an area they have not conquered, you need to reconsider which dictionary you are using.

---

Israel conquered Gaza and has occupied it since 1967. The ICJ and the UN General Assembly have been perfectly clear about this.

---

Israel left Gaza in 2005 including any settlers. Gaza has been autonomous since then. Israel would have to defeat Hamas to reoccupy it presently.

---

You're against the overwhelming weight of authority on that. Israel continues to control borders, airspace, maritime access, living conditions, and pretty much anything else you can think of. Gazans are completely at the mercy of Israel for access to food, water, medicine, and fuel. They aren't even allowed to fish in their own seas.

---

You are forgetting Egypt borders Gaza. They are not willing to let aid go there either.
Israel has no effective control in Gaza. You are a politician arguing semantics over reality. Hamas controls most of Gaza. Israel would have to conquer it to control it.

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This argument is unserious. You're saying that because prison gangs exercise some low-level "control" over other inmates, the state has no responsibility to feed anyone in its custody.

As for semantics, look in the mirror. You're the one who wants to play dueling dictionaries while Israel allows people to starve.

In Gaza, mounting evidence of famine and widespread starvation
29 July 2025

According to the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) platform, two out of three famine thresholds have been reached in Gaza: plummeting food consumption and acute malnutrition. Famine has not been declared as the third criteria, deaths from malnutrition, cannot be demonstrated.

There is mounting evidence that "widespread starvation, malnutrition and disease" are driving a rise in hunger-related deaths, which is the third famine indicator.

"It's clearly a disaster unfolding in front of our eyes, in front of our television screens," said Ross Smith, UN World Food Programme (WFP) director of emergencies.

"This is not a warning, this is a call to action. This is unlike anything we have seen in this century," he told journalists in Geneva.



https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/07/1165517

Sam Lowry said:

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In Gaza, mounting evidence of famine and widespread starvation
29 July 2025

According to the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) platform, two out of three famine thresholds have been reached in Gaza: plummeting food consumption and acute malnutrition. Famine has not been declared as the third criteria, deaths from malnutrition, cannot be demonstrated.

There is mounting evidence that "widespread starvation, malnutrition and disease" are driving a rise in hunger-related deaths, which is the third famine indicator.

"It's clearly a disaster unfolding in front of our eyes, in front of our television screens," said Ross Smith, UN World Food Programme (WFP) director of emergencies.

"This is not a warning, this is a call to action. This is unlike anything we have seen in this century," he told journalists in Geneva.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/07/1165517

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Dude, you do realize that no one here is buying what you are selling, correct? You are dedicated to what the liberal news outlets that used to get paid by USAid are selling. Now they are trying to get our US taxpayer liberals like you to reinstall that monetary pipeline. But we now know that you were using USAid to throw our money away. We're not going to take it anymore

Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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canoso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have the hostages been released?

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Keep asking this question, my friend. The silence is deafening.

---

Still waiting to hear how it's relevant. Are you saying it's acceptable to punish the innocent for Hamas' crimes?

The silence does indeed speak loudly.

---

Please delineate for everyone who in Gaza is innocent in your estimation.

Just to help:
Were hitler youth innocent?
Were the League of German Girls innocent?
Were those just going to work supporting the German economy innocent?
How would outsiders only feed the innocent and not the combatants and supporters at the same time?
When is it the responsibility of combatants who control a territory to take care of the citizens in that territory and give up their quest for power? Are the babies in their jurisdiction their responsibility?
Hamas initiated this with a savage attack on civilians including babies.do you think they really care about babies' health as long as they are in power?

Maybe the Russians in Ukraine should call a ceasefire so everyone in Ukraine can sit down for dinner peacefully and rest up. Stop their offensive and send in food and medicines for the Ukrainians, then try to restart the offensive later.

Historically and militarily the demands on Israel at this point are unprecedented. It's the old "rules for thee and not for me" type of demands. No major nation would acquiesce to the demands you provide for Israel to "stop the genocide". They are in a war of survival and self defense. They have just been attacked on two fronts.

---

All non-combatants are innocent for purposes of this discussion. Obviously that includes civilian workers and youth.

Occupying powers have a responsibility under international law to restore public order and safety by, among other things, preventing mass starvation and disease. There is absolutely nothing new or unprecedented about this demand.

The conflict didn't start on October 7. It's Israel that is now attacking on at least four fronts.

---

Israel is not an occupying force if they don't control the area.

---

If you're suggesting that the presence of an insurgency negates Israel's status as an occupying power, that would be incorrect. By its very definition, insurgency is a violent and organized rebellion against a government or occupying authority.

---

If you are suggesting that Israel occupies an area they have not conquered, you need to reconsider which dictionary you are using.

---

Israel conquered Gaza and has occupied it since 1967. The ICJ and the UN General Assembly have been perfectly clear about this.

---

Israel left Gaza in 2005 including any settlers. Gaza has been autonomous since then. Israel would have to defeat Hamas to reoccupy it presently.

---

You're against the overwhelming weight of authority on that. Israel continues to control borders, airspace, maritime access, living conditions, and pretty much anything else you can think of. Gazans are completely at the mercy of Israel for access to food, water, medicine, and fuel. They aren't even allowed to fish in their own seas.

---

You are forgetting Egypt borders Gaza. They are not willing to let aid go there either.
Israel has no effective control in Gaza. You are a politician arguing semantics over reality. Hamas controls most of Gaza. Israel would have to conquer it to control it.

---

This argument is unserious. You're saying that because prison gangs exercise some low-level "control" over other inmates, the state has no responsibility to feed anyone in its custody.

As for semantics, look in the mirror. You're the one who wants to play dueling dictionaries while Israel allows people to starve.

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Hamas is more than a bunch of gangs. They are an organization with outside support for weapons. They are the governing body in Gaza. I'm sure they could have arranged outside support for food long before they started the war. Hamas is the key, and you aren't willing to admit it.

EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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canoso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have the hostages been released?

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Keep asking this question, my friend. The silence is deafening.

---

Still waiting to hear how it's relevant. Are you saying it's acceptable to punish the innocent for Hamas' crimes?

The silence does indeed speak loudly.

---

Please delineate for everyone who in Gaza is innocent in your estimation.

Just to help:
Were hitler youth innocent?
Were the League of German Girls innocent?
Were those just going to work supporting the German economy innocent?
How would outsiders only feed the innocent and not the combatants and supporters at the same time?
When is it the responsibility of combatants who control a territory to take care of the citizens in that territory and give up their quest for power? Are the babies in their jurisdiction their responsibility?
Hamas initiated this with a savage attack on civilians including babies.do you think they really care about babies' health as long as they are in power?

Maybe the Russians in Ukraine should call a ceasefire so everyone in Ukraine can sit down for dinner peacefully and rest up. Stop their offensive and send in food and medicines for the Ukrainians, then try to restart the offensive later.

Historically and militarily the demands on Israel at this point are unprecedented. It's the old "rules for thee and not for me" type of demands. No major nation would acquiesce to the demands you provide for Israel to "stop the genocide". They are in a war of survival and self defense. They have just been attacked on two fronts.

---

All non-combatants are innocent for purposes of this discussion. Obviously that includes civilian workers and youth.

Occupying powers have a responsibility under international law to restore public order and safety by, among other things, preventing mass starvation and disease. There is absolutely nothing new or unprecedented about this demand.

The conflict didn't start on October 7. It's Israel that is now attacking on at least four fronts.

---

Israel is not an occupying force if they don't control the area.

---

If you're suggesting that the presence of an insurgency negates Israel's status as an occupying power, that would be incorrect. By its very definition, insurgency is a violent and organized rebellion against a government or occupying authority.

---

If you are suggesting that Israel occupies an area they have not conquered, you need to reconsider which dictionary you are using.

---

Israel conquered Gaza and has occupied it since 1967. The ICJ and the UN General Assembly have been perfectly clear about this.

---

Israel left Gaza in 2005 including any settlers. Gaza has been autonomous since then. Israel would have to defeat Hamas to reoccupy it presently.

---

You're against the overwhelming weight of authority on that. Israel continues to control borders, airspace, maritime access, living conditions, and pretty much anything else you can think of. Gazans are completely at the mercy of Israel for access to food, water, medicine, and fuel. They aren't even allowed to fish in their own seas.

---

You are forgetting Egypt borders Gaza. They are not willing to let aid go there either.
Israel has no effective control in Gaza. You are a politician arguing semantics over reality. Hamas controls most of Gaza. Israel would have to conquer it to control it.

---

This argument is unserious. You're saying that because prison gangs exercise some low-level "control" over other inmates, the state has no responsibility to feed anyone in its custody.

As for semantics, look in the mirror. You're the one who wants to play dueling dictionaries while Israel allows people to starve.

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Hamas is more than a bunch of gangs. They are an organization with outside support for weapons. They are the governing body in Gaza. I'm sure they could have arranged outside support for food long before they started the war. Hamas is the key, and you aren't willing to admit it.

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And they were supported by the USA until Trump/Musk cleaned house

Sam,
Did Hamas release the hostages tonight?

Sam Lowry said:

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canoso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have the hostages been released?

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Keep asking this question, my friend. The silence is deafening.

---

Still waiting to hear how it's relevant. Are you saying it's acceptable to punish the innocent for Hamas' crimes?

The silence does indeed speak loudly.

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That is what Hamas does and is still doing. Where is your outrage?

Good question. I'm unsure.
Historically, antisemitism was largely because of jealously. That was Mark Twain's explanation and I think there is a lot of truth.
Today, there might be more.

EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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canoso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have the hostages been released?

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Keep asking this question, my friend. The silence is deafening.

---

Still waiting to hear how it's relevant. Are you saying it's acceptable to punish the innocent for Hamas' crimes?

The silence does indeed speak loudly.

---

Please delineate for everyone who in Gaza is innocent in your estimation.

Just to help:
Were hitler youth innocent?
Were the League of German Girls innocent?
Were those just going to work supporting the German economy innocent?
How would outsiders only feed the innocent and not the combatants and supporters at the same time?
When is it the responsibility of combatants who control a territory to take care of the citizens in that territory and give up their quest for power? Are the babies in their jurisdiction their responsibility?
Hamas initiated this with a savage attack on civilians including babies.do you think they really care about babies' health as long as they are in power?

Maybe the Russians in Ukraine should call a ceasefire so everyone in Ukraine can sit down for dinner peacefully and rest up. Stop their offensive and send in food and medicines for the Ukrainians, then try to restart the offensive later.

Historically and militarily the demands on Israel at this point are unprecedented. It's the old "rules for thee and not for me" type of demands. No major nation would acquiesce to the demands you provide for Israel to "stop the genocide". They are in a war of survival and self defense. They have just been attacked on two fronts.

---

All non-combatants are innocent for purposes of this discussion. Obviously that includes civilian workers and youth.

Occupying powers have a responsibility under international law to restore public order and safety by, among other things, preventing mass starvation and disease. There is absolutely nothing new or unprecedented about this demand.

The conflict didn't start on October 7. It's Israel that is now attacking on at least four fronts.

---

Israel is not an occupying force if they don't control the area.

---

If you're suggesting that the presence of an insurgency negates Israel's status as an occupying power, that would be incorrect. By its very definition, insurgency is a violent and organized rebellion against a government or occupying authority.

---

If you are suggesting that Israel occupies an area they have not conquered, you need to reconsider which dictionary you are using.

---

Israel conquered Gaza and has occupied it since 1967. The ICJ and the UN General Assembly have been perfectly clear about this.

---

Israel left Gaza in 2005 including any settlers. Gaza has been autonomous since then. Israel would have to defeat Hamas to reoccupy it presently.

---

You're against the overwhelming weight of authority on that. Israel continues to control borders, airspace, maritime access, living conditions, and pretty much anything else you can think of. Gazans are completely at the mercy of Israel for access to food, water, medicine, and fuel. They aren't even allowed to fish in their own seas.

---

You are forgetting Egypt borders Gaza. They are not willing to let aid go there either.
Israel has no effective control in Gaza. You are a politician arguing semantics over reality. Hamas controls most of Gaza. Israel would have to conquer it to control it.

---

This argument is unserious. You're saying that because prison gangs exercise some low-level "control" over other inmates, the state has no responsibility to feed anyone in its custody.

As for semantics, look in the mirror. You're the one who wants to play dueling dictionaries while Israel allows people to starve.

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Hamas is more than a bunch of gangs. They are an organization with outside support for weapons. They are the governing body in Gaza. I'm sure they could have arranged outside support for food long before they started the war. Hamas is the key, and you aren't willing to admit it.

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This is completely untethered from reality. There's a huge difference between smuggling in weapons for a few thousand militants and smuggling in food for 2 million people a day.

More important, nothing you said justifies allowing Gaza to starve. If Hamas doesn't maintain order and provide for basic needs, regardless of the reason, Israel as the occupying power has the responsibility to do so.

GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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canoso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have the hostages been released?

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Keep asking this question, my friend. The silence is deafening.

---

Still waiting to hear how it's relevant. Are you saying it's acceptable to punish the innocent for Hamas' crimes?

The silence does indeed speak loudly.

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That is what Hamas does and is still doing. Where is your outrage?

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To the extent that we and our allies have supported Hamas, I am outraged. But as I've said, the last thing Israel wants is a stable government in Palestine.

You want to see a real genocide, just wait until you see what happens to the Israeli Jews once Palestine is finally free, from the river to the sea.

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You want to see a real genocide, just wait until you see what happens to the Israeli Jews once Palestine is finally free, from the river to the sea.

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I saw a Tucker Carlson interview yesterday with Mother Agapia, an Orthodox nun who runs a school in the West Bank. The great majority of her students are Muslim. She talked about how the different religious groups get along and how Palestinians are not a supremacist society. That's why there was no genocide ongoing in the early 20th century, before Israel was founded. Hamas, like many if not most Islamist groups, is a beast of the colonial West's creation. There's no reason to think Jews and Palestinians can't get along if left to their own devices.

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You want to see a real genocide, just wait until you see what happens to the Israeli Jews once Palestine is finally free, from the river to the sea.

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I saw a Tucker Carlson interview yesterday with Mother Agapia, an Orthodox nun who runs a school in the West Bank. The great majority of her students are Muslim. She talked about how the different religious groups get along and how Palestinians are not a supremacist society. That's why there was no genocide ongoing in the early 20th century, before Israel was founded. Hamas, like many if not most Islamist groups, is a beast of the colonial West's creation. There's no reason to think Jews and Palestinians can't get along if left to their own devices.

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Yet you can't explain either why Palestinians put up with Hamas or why no other Muslim country want even a single Palestinian

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Have the hostages been released?

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Keep asking this question, my friend. The silence is deafening.

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Still waiting to hear how it's relevant. Are you saying it's acceptable to punish the innocent for Hamas' crimes?

The silence does indeed speak loudly.

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Please delineate for everyone who in Gaza is innocent in your estimation.

Just to help:
Were hitler youth innocent?
Were the League of German Girls innocent?
Were those just going to work supporting the German economy innocent?
How would outsiders only feed the innocent and not the combatants and supporters at the same time?
When is it the responsibility of combatants who control a territory to take care of the citizens in that territory and give up their quest for power? Are the babies in their jurisdiction their responsibility?
Hamas initiated this with a savage attack on civilians including babies.do you think they really care about babies' health as long as they are in power?

Maybe the Russians in Ukraine should call a ceasefire so everyone in Ukraine can sit down for dinner peacefully and rest up. Stop their offensive and send in food and medicines for the Ukrainians, then try to restart the offensive later.

Historically and militarily the demands on Israel at this point are unprecedented. It's the old "rules for thee and not for me" type of demands. No major nation would acquiesce to the demands you provide for Israel to "stop the genocide". They are in a war of survival and self defense. They have just been attacked on two fronts.

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All non-combatants are innocent for purposes of this discussion. Obviously that includes civilian workers and youth.

Occupying powers have a responsibility under international law to restore public order and safety by, among other things, preventing mass starvation and disease. There is absolutely nothing new or unprecedented about this demand.

The conflict didn't start on October 7. It's Israel that is now attacking on at least four fronts.

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Israel is not an occupying force if they don't control the area.

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If you're suggesting that the presence of an insurgency negates Israel's status as an occupying power, that would be incorrect. By its very definition, insurgency is a violent and organized rebellion against a government or occupying authority.

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If you are suggesting that Israel occupies an area they have not conquered, you need to reconsider which dictionary you are using.

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Israel conquered Gaza and has occupied it since 1967. The ICJ and the UN General Assembly have been perfectly clear about this.

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Israel left Gaza in 2005 including any settlers. Gaza has been autonomous since then. Israel would have to defeat Hamas to reoccupy it presently.

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You're against the overwhelming weight of authority on that. Israel continues to control borders, airspace, maritime access, living conditions, and pretty much anything else you can think of. Gazans are completely at the mercy of Israel for access to food, water, medicine, and fuel. They aren't even allowed to fish in their own seas.

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You are forgetting Egypt borders Gaza. They are not willing to let aid go there either.
Israel has no effective control in Gaza. You are a politician arguing semantics over reality. Hamas controls most of Gaza. Israel would have to conquer it to control it.

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This argument is unserious. You're saying that because prison gangs exercise some low-level "control" over other inmates, the state has no responsibility to feed anyone in its custody.

As for semantics, look in the mirror. You're the one who wants to play dueling dictionaries while Israel allows people to starve.

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Hamas is more than a bunch of gangs. They are an organization with outside support for weapons. They are the governing body in Gaza. I'm sure they could have arranged outside support for food long before they started the war. Hamas is the key, and you aren't willing to admit it.

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This is completely untethered from reality. There's a huge difference between smuggling in weapons for a few thousand militants and smuggling in food for 2 million people a day.

More important, nothing you said justifies allowing Gaza to starve. If Hamas doesn't maintain order and provide for basic needs, regardless of the reason, Israel as the occupying power has the responsibility to do so.

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You keep saying Israel is the occupying power as if they were. You are lost in words you eant to use even if it's not reality.

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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canoso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have the hostages been released?

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Keep asking this question, my friend. The silence is deafening.

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Still waiting to hear how it's relevant. Are you saying it's acceptable to punish the innocent for Hamas' crimes?

The silence does indeed speak loudly.

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Please delineate for everyone who in Gaza is innocent in your estimation.

Just to help:
Were hitler youth innocent?
Were the League of German Girls innocent?
Were those just going to work supporting the German economy innocent?
How would outsiders only feed the innocent and not the combatants and supporters at the same time?
When is it the responsibility of combatants who control a territory to take care of the citizens in that territory and give up their quest for power? Are the babies in their jurisdiction their responsibility?
Hamas initiated this with a savage attack on civilians including babies.do you think they really care about babies' health as long as they are in power?

Maybe the Russians in Ukraine should call a ceasefire so everyone in Ukraine can sit down for dinner peacefully and rest up. Stop their offensive and send in food and medicines for the Ukrainians, then try to restart the offensive later.

Historically and militarily the demands on Israel at this point are unprecedented. It's the old "rules for thee and not for me" type of demands. No major nation would acquiesce to the demands you provide for Israel to "stop the genocide". They are in a war of survival and self defense. They have just been attacked on two fronts.

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All non-combatants are innocent for purposes of this discussion. Obviously that includes civilian workers and youth.

Occupying powers have a responsibility under international law to restore public order and safety by, among other things, preventing mass starvation and disease. There is absolutely nothing new or unprecedented about this demand.

The conflict didn't start on October 7. It's Israel that is now attacking on at least four fronts.

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Israel is not an occupying force if they don't control the area.

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If you're suggesting that the presence of an insurgency negates Israel's status as an occupying power, that would be incorrect. By its very definition, insurgency is a violent and organized rebellion against a government or occupying authority.

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If you are suggesting that Israel occupies an area they have not conquered, you need to reconsider which dictionary you are using.

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Israel conquered Gaza and has occupied it since 1967. The ICJ and the UN General Assembly have been perfectly clear about this.

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Israel left Gaza in 2005 including any settlers. Gaza has been autonomous since then. Israel would have to defeat Hamas to reoccupy it presently.

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You're against the overwhelming weight of authority on that. Israel continues to control borders, airspace, maritime access, living conditions, and pretty much anything else you can think of. Gazans are completely at the mercy of Israel for access to food, water, medicine, and fuel. They aren't even allowed to fish in their own seas.

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You are forgetting Egypt borders Gaza. They are not willing to let aid go there either.
Israel has no effective control in Gaza. You are a politician arguing semantics over reality. Hamas controls most of Gaza. Israel would have to conquer it to control it.

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This argument is unserious. You're saying that because prison gangs exercise some low-level "control" over other inmates, the state has no responsibility to feed anyone in its custody.

As for semantics, look in the mirror. You're the one who wants to play dueling dictionaries while Israel allows people to starve.

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Hamas is more than a bunch of gangs. They are an organization with outside support for weapons. They are the governing body in Gaza. I'm sure they could have arranged outside support for food long before they started the war. Hamas is the key, and you aren't willing to admit it.

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This is completely untethered from reality. There's a huge difference between smuggling in weapons for a few thousand militants and smuggling in food for 2 million people a day.

More important, nothing you said justifies allowing Gaza to starve. If Hamas doesn't maintain order and provide for basic needs, regardless of the reason, Israel as the occupying power has the responsibility to do so.

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You keep saying Israel is the occupying power as if they were. You are lost in words you eant to use even if it's not reality.

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You see occupation as military boots on the ground. International law sees occupation as effective control. All jargon aside, the reality is that Israel has effective control of Gaza. They and only they can stop the famine any time they choose.

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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canoso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have the hostages been released?

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Keep asking this question, my friend. The silence is deafening.

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Still waiting to hear how it's relevant. Are you saying it's acceptable to punish the innocent for Hamas' crimes?

The silence does indeed speak loudly.

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Please delineate for everyone who in Gaza is innocent in your estimation.

Just to help:
Were hitler youth innocent?
Were the League of German Girls innocent?
Were those just going to work supporting the German economy innocent?
How would outsiders only feed the innocent and not the combatants and supporters at the same time?
When is it the responsibility of combatants who control a territory to take care of the citizens in that territory and give up their quest for power? Are the babies in their jurisdiction their responsibility?
Hamas initiated this with a savage attack on civilians including babies.do you think they really care about babies' health as long as they are in power?

Maybe the Russians in Ukraine should call a ceasefire so everyone in Ukraine can sit down for dinner peacefully and rest up. Stop their offensive and send in food and medicines for the Ukrainians, then try to restart the offensive later.

Historically and militarily the demands on Israel at this point are unprecedented. It's the old "rules for thee and not for me" type of demands. No major nation would acquiesce to the demands you provide for Israel to "stop the genocide". They are in a war of survival and self defense. They have just been attacked on two fronts.

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All non-combatants are innocent for purposes of this discussion. Obviously that includes civilian workers and youth.

Occupying powers have a responsibility under international law to restore public order and safety by, among other things, preventing mass starvation and disease. There is absolutely nothing new or unprecedented about this demand.

The conflict didn't start on October 7. It's Israel that is now attacking on at least four fronts.

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Israel is not an occupying force if they don't control the area.

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If you're suggesting that the presence of an insurgency negates Israel's status as an occupying power, that would be incorrect. By its very definition, insurgency is a violent and organized rebellion against a government or occupying authority.

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If you are suggesting that Israel occupies an area they have not conquered, you need to reconsider which dictionary you are using.

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Israel conquered Gaza and has occupied it since 1967. The ICJ and the UN General Assembly have been perfectly clear about this.

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Israel left Gaza in 2005 including any settlers. Gaza has been autonomous since then. Israel would have to defeat Hamas to reoccupy it presently.

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You're against the overwhelming weight of authority on that. Israel continues to control borders, airspace, maritime access, living conditions, and pretty much anything else you can think of. Gazans are completely at the mercy of Israel for access to food, water, medicine, and fuel. They aren't even allowed to fish in their own seas.

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You are forgetting Egypt borders Gaza. They are not willing to let aid go there either.
Israel has no effective control in Gaza. You are a politician arguing semantics over reality. Hamas controls most of Gaza. Israel would have to conquer it to control it.

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This argument is unserious. You're saying that because prison gangs exercise some low-level "control" over other inmates, the state has no responsibility to feed anyone in its custody.

As for semantics, look in the mirror. You're the one who wants to play dueling dictionaries while Israel allows people to starve.

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Hamas is more than a bunch of gangs. They are an organization with outside support for weapons. They are the governing body in Gaza. I'm sure they could have arranged outside support for food long before they started the war. Hamas is the key, and you aren't willing to admit it.

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This is completely untethered from reality. There's a huge difference between smuggling in weapons for a few thousand militants and smuggling in food for 2 million people a day.

More important, nothing you said justifies allowing Gaza to starve. If Hamas doesn't maintain order and provide for basic needs, regardless of the reason, Israel as the occupying power has the responsibility to do so.

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You keep saying Israel is the occupying power as if they were. You are lost in words you eant to use even if it's not reality.

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You see occupation as military boots on the ground. International law sees occupation as effective control. All jargon aside, the reality is that Israel has effective control of Gaza. They and only they can stop the famine any time they choose.

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Saying Israel has effective control of Gaza is like saying Russia has effective control of Ukraine now, or the allies had effective control over Germany in January of 1945. Again you're like a politician using jargon to make your invalid point look valid.

EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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canoso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have the hostages been released?

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Keep asking this question, my friend. The silence is deafening.

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Still waiting to hear how it's relevant. Are you saying it's acceptable to punish the innocent for Hamas' crimes?

The silence does indeed speak loudly.

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Please delineate for everyone who in Gaza is innocent in your estimation.

Just to help:
Were hitler youth innocent?
Were the League of German Girls innocent?
Were those just going to work supporting the German economy innocent?
How would outsiders only feed the innocent and not the combatants and supporters at the same time?
When is it the responsibility of combatants who control a territory to take care of the citizens in that territory and give up their quest for power? Are the babies in their jurisdiction their responsibility?
Hamas initiated this with a savage attack on civilians including babies.do you think they really care about babies' health as long as they are in power?

Maybe the Russians in Ukraine should call a ceasefire so everyone in Ukraine can sit down for dinner peacefully and rest up. Stop their offensive and send in food and medicines for the Ukrainians, then try to restart the offensive later.

Historically and militarily the demands on Israel at this point are unprecedented. It's the old "rules for thee and not for me" type of demands. No major nation would acquiesce to the demands you provide for Israel to "stop the genocide". They are in a war of survival and self defense. They have just been attacked on two fronts.

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All non-combatants are innocent for purposes of this discussion. Obviously that includes civilian workers and youth.

Occupying powers have a responsibility under international law to restore public order and safety by, among other things, preventing mass starvation and disease. There is absolutely nothing new or unprecedented about this demand.

The conflict didn't start on October 7. It's Israel that is now attacking on at least four fronts.

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Israel is not an occupying force if they don't control the area.

---

If you're suggesting that the presence of an insurgency negates Israel's status as an occupying power, that would be incorrect. By its very definition, insurgency is a violent and organized rebellion against a government or occupying authority.

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If you are suggesting that Israel occupies an area they have not conquered, you need to reconsider which dictionary you are using.

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Israel conquered Gaza and has occupied it since 1967. The ICJ and the UN General Assembly have been perfectly clear about this.

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Israel left Gaza in 2005 including any settlers. Gaza has been autonomous since then. Israel would have to defeat Hamas to reoccupy it presently.

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You're against the overwhelming weight of authority on that. Israel continues to control borders, airspace, maritime access, living conditions, and pretty much anything else you can think of. Gazans are completely at the mercy of Israel for access to food, water, medicine, and fuel. They aren't even allowed to fish in their own seas.

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You are forgetting Egypt borders Gaza. They are not willing to let aid go there either.
Israel has no effective control in Gaza. You are a politician arguing semantics over reality. Hamas controls most of Gaza. Israel would have to conquer it to control it.

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This argument is unserious. You're saying that because prison gangs exercise some low-level "control" over other inmates, the state has no responsibility to feed anyone in its custody.

As for semantics, look in the mirror. You're the one who wants to play dueling dictionaries while Israel allows people to starve.

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Hamas is more than a bunch of gangs. They are an organization with outside support for weapons. They are the governing body in Gaza. I'm sure they could have arranged outside support for food long before they started the war. Hamas is the key, and you aren't willing to admit it.

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This is completely untethered from reality. There's a huge difference between smuggling in weapons for a few thousand militants and smuggling in food for 2 million people a day.

More important, nothing you said justifies allowing Gaza to starve. If Hamas doesn't maintain order and provide for basic needs, regardless of the reason, Israel as the occupying power has the responsibility to do so.

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You keep saying Israel is the occupying power as if they were. You are lost in words you eant to use even if it's not reality.

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You see occupation as military boots on the ground. International law sees occupation as effective control. All jargon aside, the reality is that Israel has effective control of Gaza. They and only they can stop the famine any time they choose.

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Saying Israel has effective control of Gaza is like saying Russia has effective control of Ukraine now, or the allies had effective control over Germany in January of 1945. Again you're like a politician using jargon to make your invalid point look valid.

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Again, it's been the subject of extensive explanation and analysis by international bodies. It's not something I just made up.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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canoso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have the hostages been released?

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Keep asking this question, my friend. The silence is deafening.

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Still waiting to hear how it's relevant. Are you saying it's acceptable to punish the innocent for Hamas' crimes?

The silence does indeed speak loudly.

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Please delineate for everyone who in Gaza is innocent in your estimation.

Just to help:
Were hitler youth innocent?
Were the League of German Girls innocent?
Were those just going to work supporting the German economy innocent?
How would outsiders only feed the innocent and not the combatants and supporters at the same time?
When is it the responsibility of combatants who control a territory to take care of the citizens in that territory and give up their quest for power? Are the babies in their jurisdiction their responsibility?
Hamas initiated this with a savage attack on civilians including babies.do you think they really care about babies' health as long as they are in power?

Maybe the Russians in Ukraine should call a ceasefire so everyone in Ukraine can sit down for dinner peacefully and rest up. Stop their offensive and send in food and medicines for the Ukrainians, then try to restart the offensive later.

Historically and militarily the demands on Israel at this point are unprecedented. It's the old "rules for thee and not for me" type of demands. No major nation would acquiesce to the demands you provide for Israel to "stop the genocide". They are in a war of survival and self defense. They have just been attacked on two fronts.

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All non-combatants are innocent for purposes of this discussion. Obviously that includes civilian workers and youth.

Occupying powers have a responsibility under international law to restore public order and safety by, among other things, preventing mass starvation and disease. There is absolutely nothing new or unprecedented about this demand.

The conflict didn't start on October 7. It's Israel that is now attacking on at least four fronts.

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Israel is not an occupying force if they don't control the area.

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If you're suggesting that the presence of an insurgency negates Israel's status as an occupying power, that would be incorrect. By its very definition, insurgency is a violent and organized rebellion against a government or occupying authority.

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If you are suggesting that Israel occupies an area they have not conquered, you need to reconsider which dictionary you are using.

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Israel conquered Gaza and has occupied it since 1967. The ICJ and the UN General Assembly have been perfectly clear about this.

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Israel left Gaza in 2005 including any settlers. Gaza has been autonomous since then. Israel would have to defeat Hamas to reoccupy it presently.

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You're against the overwhelming weight of authority on that. Israel continues to control borders, airspace, maritime access, living conditions, and pretty much anything else you can think of. Gazans are completely at the mercy of Israel for access to food, water, medicine, and fuel. They aren't even allowed to fish in their own seas.

---

You are forgetting Egypt borders Gaza. They are not willing to let aid go there either.
Israel has no effective control in Gaza. You are a politician arguing semantics over reality. Hamas controls most of Gaza. Israel would have to conquer it to control it.

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This argument is unserious. You're saying that because prison gangs exercise some low-level "control" over other inmates, the state has no responsibility to feed anyone in its custody.

As for semantics, look in the mirror. You're the one who wants to play dueling dictionaries while Israel allows people to starve.

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Hamas is more than a bunch of gangs. They are an organization with outside support for weapons. They are the governing body in Gaza. I'm sure they could have arranged outside support for food long before they started the war. Hamas is the key, and you aren't willing to admit it.

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This is completely untethered from reality. There's a huge difference between smuggling in weapons for a few thousand militants and smuggling in food for 2 million people a day.

More important, nothing you said justifies allowing Gaza to starve. If Hamas doesn't maintain order and provide for basic needs, regardless of the reason, Israel as the occupying power has the responsibility to do so.

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You keep saying Israel is the occupying power as if they were. You are lost in words you eant to use even if it's not reality.

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You see occupation as military boots on the ground. International law sees occupation as effective control. All jargon aside, the reality is that Israel has effective control of Gaza. They and only they can stop the famine any time they choose.

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Saying Israel has effective control of Gaza is like saying Russia has effective control of Ukraine now, or the allies had effective control over Germany in January of 1945. Again you're like a politician using jargon to make your invalid point look valid.

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Again, it's been the subject of extensive explanation and analysis by international bodies. It's not something I just made up.

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No matter if you or anyone says such, it does not reflect reality of the current situation. Or the situation since 2005.

My great-grandfather was Jewish. My father was in Germany in January 1945, fighting to liberate the country and its oppressed minorities from the Nazis. In no way, and by no stretch of the imagination, did we have the control that Israel has over the Palestinians. Any such idea is absurd.

I will add that the rules of war, which Robert Wilson and many of you dismiss as "platitudes," were quite real to my father and his troops. They lived and in some cases died by them. Yes, there were certainly atrocities committed by both sides, but they were not equal. We did not commit them in a systematic or wholesale manner, as the Nazis did. It is not simply the case that **** happens in war and that's the end of the story. We always have choices to make. When I see Israel targeting medical caravans and executing aid workers, I see them doing the same thing the Nazis did (unlike the Americans, they routinely targeted medics).

In later years, one of my father's best friends and colleagues was a German who had been a member of the Hitler Youth. He wasn't a racist or a criminal. He joined because that's what German boys at the time were expected to do. I was taught that the enemy was fascism, not the German people. Alliances and enmities come and go. We need more of that understanding, in my opinion.

Has hams released the hostages?

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Robert Wilson said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have the hostages been released?

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Hamas could release the hostages. But they haven't.

Israel could commit genocide. But they haven't.

If Hamas could commit genocide on Israel, they damn sure would in about 30 seconds.

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Israel could not commit genocide in any way that you gentlemen would acknowledge. Even if they did drop a nuke, you would find a way to justify it.

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No, if they committed actual genocide I'd say they committed genocide. I don't have a dog in this hunt, and I don't have your commitment to abuse of the English language.

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Israel wants to call its concentration mega-camp a "humanitarian city," but when I say the same thing the UN and multiple human rights organizations are saying (including Israeli ones), I'm abusing the language? If you're not biased, you sure know how to fake it.

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These statements are so ironic, given your repeated justification of Russia leveling Ukrainian population centers.

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Russia is fighting a war, not leveling cities. That's what all those reports of weeks-long battles are about.

The IDF levels everything in front of it whenever and wherever it advances. When was the last time you heard about an actual battle in Gaza?

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Russia aggressively invaded a sovereign country without provocation and is operating in an area that's approximate 233,000 square miles - almost the size of Texas. Israel on the other hand is responding to an attack in an area roughly 130 square miles and densely populated .

Ukraines population centers have been decimated by Russia .

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My great-grandfather was Jewish. My father was in Germany in January 1945, fighting to liberate the country and its oppressed minorities from the Nazis. In no way, and by no stretch of the imagination, did we have the control that Israel has over the Palestinians. Any such idea is absurd.

I will add that the rules of war, which Robert Wilson and many of you dismiss as "platitudes," were quite real to my father and his troops. They lived and in some cases died by them. Yes, there were certainly atrocities committed by both sides, but they were not equal. We did not commit them in a systematic or wholesale manner, as the Nazis did. It is not simply the case that **** happens in war and that's the end of the story. We always have choices to make. When I see Israel targeting medical caravans and executing aid workers, I see them doing the same thing the Nazis did (unlike the Americans, they routinely targeted medics).

In later years, one of my father's best friends and colleagues was a German who had been a member of the Hitler Youth. He wasn't a racist or a criminal. He joined because that's what German boys at the time were expected to do. I was taught that the enemy was fascism, not the German people. Alliances and enmities come and go. We need more of that understanding, in my opinion.

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Israel's position, which I think is back by evidence, is that it's not targeting aid workers and engaging in the tactics you describe. I don't know if that's correct but I know there is enough conflicting information coming out of the region to suggest it may not be. Therein lies the problem. Everyone in this conflict is biased and has an agenda. It's difficult to know who to believe - though we know whose side you've taken.

We also know who started the war and how. And we know which is defending itself from the aggression that started October 7.

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canoso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have the hostages been released?

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Keep asking this question, my friend. The silence is deafening.

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Still waiting to hear how it's relevant. Are you saying it's acceptable to punish the innocent for Hamas' crimes?

The silence does indeed speak loudly.

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If Hamas is truly a tiny percentage... and if the "innocents" are such a large majority... then why don't they rise up and overthrow Hamas?

It's because the majority of Gazans hate the Jews just as much as Hamas. Gaza = Hamas

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have the hostages been released?

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Hamas could release the hostages. But they haven't.

Israel could commit genocide. But they haven't.

If Hamas could commit genocide on Israel, they damn sure would in about 30 seconds.

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Israel could not commit genocide in any way that you gentlemen would acknowledge. Even if they did drop a nuke, you would find a way to justify it.

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No, if they committed actual genocide I'd say they committed genocide. I don't have a dog in this hunt, and I don't have your commitment to abuse of the English language.

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Israel wants to call its concentration mega-camp a "humanitarian city," but when I say the same thing the UN and multiple human rights organizations are saying (including Israeli ones), I'm abusing the language? If you're not biased, you sure know how to fake it.

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These statements are so ironic, given your repeated justification of Russia leveling Ukrainian population centers.

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Russia is fighting a war, not leveling cities. That's what all those reports of weeks-long battles are about.

The IDF levels everything in front of it whenever and wherever it advances. When was the last time you heard about an actual battle in Gaza?

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Russia aggressively invaded a sovereign country without provocation and is operating in an area that's approximate 233,000 square miles - almost the size of Texas. Israel on the other hand is responding to an attack in an area roughly 130 square miles and densely populated .

Ukraines population centers have been decimated by Russia .

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Russia has not decimated Ukraine's population centers. For a three-year war in an area the size of Texas, civilian casualties have been ridiculously low.

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You want to see a real genocide, just wait until you see what happens to the Israeli Jews once Palestine is finally free, from the river to the sea.

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I saw a Tucker Carlson interview yesterday with Mother Agapia, an Orthodox nun who runs a school in the West Bank. The great majority of her students are Muslim. She talked about how the different religious groups get along and how Palestinians are not a supremacist society. That's why there was no genocide ongoing in the early 20th century, before Israel was founded. Hamas, like many if not most Islamist groups, is a beast of the colonial West's creation. There's no reason to think Jews and Palestinians can't get along if left to their own devices.

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That is total bull*****

Muslims have been attacking, conquering, persecuting, raping and murderer since the days of Mohammad (may be burn in hell).
After the death of the prophet of Satan, the Muslims attacked and destroyed most of the Christian world in the middle east.
The Muslims will NEVER live in peace with the rest of the world, until they conquer & control the rest of the world.

You are an absolute moron to take global political advice from an old nun.