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Sam Lowry said:

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Have the hostages been released?

Keep asking this question, my friend. The silence is deafening.

Still waiting to hear how it's relevant. Are you saying it's acceptable to punish the innocent for Hamas' crimes?

The silence does indeed speak loudly.


Please delineate for everyone who in Gaza is innocent in your estimation.

Just to help:
Were hitler youth innocent?
Were the League of German Girls innocent?
Were those just going to work supporting the German economy innocent?
How would outsiders only feed the innocent and not the combatants and supporters at the same time?
When is it the responsibility of combatants who control a territory to take care of the citizens in that territory and give up their quest for power? Are the babies in their jurisdiction their responsibility?
Hamas initiated this with a savage attack on civilians including babies.do you think they really care about babies' health as long as they are in power?

Maybe the Russians in Ukraine should call a ceasefire so everyone in Ukraine can sit down for dinner peacefully and rest up. Stop their offensive and send in food and medicines for the Ukrainians, then try to restart the offensive later.

Historically and militarily the demands on Israel at this point are unprecedented. It's the old "rules for thee and not for me" type of demands. No major nation would acquiesce to the demands you provide for Israel to "stop the genocide". They are in a war of survival and self defense. They have just been attacked on two fronts.


All non-combatants are innocent for purposes of this discussion. Obviously that includes civilian workers and youth.

Occupying powers have a responsibility under international law to restore public order and safety by, among other things, preventing mass starvation and disease. There is absolutely nothing new or unprecedented about this demand.

The conflict didn't start on October 7. It's Israel that is now attacking on at least four fronts.


Israel is not an occupying force if they don't control the area.

If you're suggesting that the presence of an insurgency negates Israel's status as an occupying power, that would be incorrect. By its very definition, insurgency is a violent and organized rebellion against a government or occupying authority.


If you are suggesting that Israel occupies an area they have not conquered, you need to reconsider which dictionary you are using.

Israel conquered Gaza and has occupied it since 1967. The ICJ and the UN General Assembly have been perfectly clear about this.

Israel left Gaza in 2005 including any settlers. Gaza has been autonomous since then. Israel would have to defeat Hamas to reoccupy it presently.

You're against the overwhelming weight of authority on that. Israel continues to control borders, airspace, maritime access, living conditions, and pretty much anything else you can think of. Gazans are completely at the mercy of Israel for access to food, water, medicine, and fuel. They aren't even allowed to fish in their own seas.

You are forgetting Egypt borders Gaza. They are not willing to let aid go there either.
Israel has no effective control in Gaza. You are a politician arguing semantics over reality. Hamas controls most of Gaza. Israel would have to conquer it to control it.

This argument is unserious. You're saying that because prison gangs exercise some low-level "control" over other inmates, the state has no responsibility to feed anyone in its custody.

As for semantics, look in the mirror. You're the one who wants to play dueling dictionaries while Israel allows people to starve.

Hamas is more than a bunch of gangs. They are an organization with outside support for weapons. They are the governing body in Gaza. I'm sure they could have arranged outside support for food long before they started the war. Hamas is the key, and you aren't willing to admit it.

This is completely untethered from reality. There's a huge difference between smuggling in weapons for a few thousand militants and smuggling in food for 2 million people a day.

More important, nothing you said justifies allowing Gaza to starve. If Hamas doesn't maintain order and provide for basic needs, regardless of the reason, Israel as the occupying power has the responsibility to do so.


You keep saying Israel is the occupying power as if they were. You are lost in words you eant to use even if it's not reality.

You see occupation as military boots on the ground. International law sees occupation as effective control. All jargon aside, the reality is that Israel has effective control of Gaza. They and only they can stop the famine any time they choose.


Saying Israel has effective control of Gaza is like saying Russia has effective control of Ukraine now, or the allies had effective control over Germany in January of 1945. Again you're like a politician using jargon to make your invalid point look valid.

Again, it's been the subject of extensive explanation and analysis by international bodies. It's not something I just made up.


And that's your major problem... you think "international bodies" are a good thing.
The UN and the rest of them are NOT good. They want to diminish and even destroy America.
These "international bodies" are made up of nations who are jealous & hate America. They also hate the Jews.
America should never participate in these "international bodies". They are a farce.
When was the last time the UN actually solved an international crisis? When have they brokered a peace treaty?
At best, they have supported the American brokered peace treaties or given verbal support to our unilateral peace initiatives.
The UN is a waste of money & effort. Idiots like you want the United States to be subject to the authority of "international bodies" life the UN.

HELL NO!

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My great-grandfather was Jewish. My father was in Germany in January 1945, fighting to liberate the country and its oppressed minorities from the Nazis. In no way, and by no stretch of the imagination, did we have the control that Israel has over the Palestinians. Any such idea is absurd.

I will add that the rules of war, which Robert Wilson and many of you dismiss as "platitudes," were quite real to my father and his troops. They lived and in some cases died by them. Yes, there were certainly atrocities committed by both sides, but they were not equal. We did not commit them in a systematic or wholesale manner, as the Nazis did. It is not simply the case that **** happens in war and that's the end of the story. We always have choices to make. When I see Israel targeting medical caravans and executing aid workers, I see them doing the same thing the Nazis did (unlike the Americans, they routinely targeted medics).

In later years, one of my father's best friends and colleagues was a German who had been a member of the Hitler Youth. He wasn't a racist or a criminal. He joined because that's what German boys at the time were expected to do. I was taught that the enemy was fascism, not the German people. Alliances and enmities come and go. We need more of that understanding, in my opinion.


Israel's position, which I think is back by evidence, is that it's not targeting aid workers and engaging in the tactics you describe. I don't know if that's correct but I know there is enough conflicting information coming out of the region to suggest it may not be. Therein lies the problem. Everyone in this conflict is biased and has an agenda. It's difficult to know who to believe - though we know whose side you've taken.











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Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

My great-grandfather was Jewish. My father was in Germany in January 1945, fighting to liberate the country and its oppressed minorities from the Nazis. In no way, and by no stretch of the imagination, did we have the control that Israel has over the Palestinians. Any such idea is absurd.

I will add that the rules of war, which Robert Wilson and many of you dismiss as "platitudes," were quite real to my father and his troops. They lived and in some cases died by them. Yes, there were certainly atrocities committed by both sides, but they were not equal. We did not commit them in a systematic or wholesale manner, as the Nazis did. It is not simply the case that **** happens in war and that's the end of the story. We always have choices to make. When I see Israel targeting medical caravans and executing aid workers, I see them doing the same thing the Nazis did (unlike the Americans, they routinely targeted medics).

In later years, one of my father's best friends and colleagues was a German who had been a member of the Hitler Youth. He wasn't a racist or a criminal. He joined because that's what German boys at the time were expected to do. I was taught that the enemy was fascism, not the German people. Alliances and enmities come and go. We need more of that understanding, in my opinion.


Israel's position, which I think is back by evidence, is that it's not targeting aid workers and engaging in the tactics you describe. I don't know if that's correct but I know there is enough conflicting information coming out of the region to suggest it may not be. Therein lies the problem. Everyone in this conflict is biased and has an agenda. It's difficult to know who to believe - though we know whose side you've taken.













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Report: 12 Palestinian 'Starving' Kids in Gaza Had Other Diseases
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Report: 12 Palestinian 'Starving' Kids in Gaza Had Other Diseases

Sam. "That's not accurate. The Soros Times told me so."
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Report: 12 Palestinian 'Starving' Kids in Gaza Had Other Diseases

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Report: 12 Palestinian 'Starving' Kids in Gaza Had Other Diseases

I betcha Sam finds some bizarre Youtube to contradict this
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Sam knows both of those people are lying.
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Assassin,
Sam knows both of those people are lying.

They shot those scenes on a lot in Burbank
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Gaza City and Surrounding Areas Are Officially Under Famine, Monitors Say

At least half a million people in the enclave were facing the most severe conditions measured by U.N.-backed international experts: starvation, acute malnutrition and death.

By Vivian Yee
August 22, 2025

Gaza City and the surrounding territory are officially suffering from famine, a global group of experts announced on Friday, nearly two years into an unrelenting war in which Israel has blocked most food and other aid from entering the Gaza Strip.

The group, which the United Nations and aid agencies rely on to monitor and classify global hunger crises, said that at least half a million people in Gaza Governorate were facing the most severe conditions it measures: starvation, acute malnutrition and death.

With rare exceptions, the rest of Gaza's total population of two million people was also struggling with severe hunger, according to the group, the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification, which is made up of experts who monitor world hunger.

The group said in a report published on Friday that a combination of factors had tipped Gaza into famine: the intensifying conflict, stringent Israeli restrictions on aid, the collapse of health care, water and sanitation systems, the destruction of local agriculture and the growing number of times people had been forced to flee for new shelters.

It said that conditions in the northernmost part of Gaza were likely to be as severe, or worse, than in Gaza City, but that it had not had enough data to judge whether famine was occurring there. And it said it did not analyze Rafah, the southernmost part of Gaza, because most people there had been forced to leave.

The report said that famine in Gaza could be "halted and reversed" because it was "entirely man-made."

"The time for debate and hesitation has passed," it added. "Starvation is present and is rapidly spreading."
Even a short delay in flooding Gaza with aid would "exponentially" increase preventable deaths, it said.

The top U.N. humanitarian official, Tom Fletcher, told journalists in Geneva that the famine was one "we could have prevented if we had been allowed. Yet food stacks up at borders because of systematic obstruction by Israel."

Calling for a cease-fire to allow for a flood of aid into Gaza, he added: "It is a famine openly promoted by some Israeli leaders as a weapon of war."

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/22/world/middleeast/famine-gaza-city-israel.html
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More NYSlimes
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More NYSlimes

At least they are putting more big words in the articles. Fooled our Sam
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Gaza City and Surrounding Areas Are Officially Under Famine, Monitors Say

At least half a million people in the enclave were facing the most severe conditions measured by U.N.-backed international experts: starvation, acute malnutrition and death.

By Vivian Yee
August 22, 2025

Gaza City and the surrounding territory are officially suffering from famine, a global group of experts announced on Friday, nearly two years into an unrelenting war in which Israel has blocked most food and other aid from entering the Gaza Strip.

The group, which the United Nations and aid agencies rely on to monitor and classify global hunger crises, said that at least half a million people in Gaza Governorate were facing the most severe conditions it measures: starvation, acute malnutrition and death.

With rare exceptions, the rest of Gaza's total population of two million people was also struggling with severe hunger, according to the group, the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification, which is made up of experts who monitor world hunger.

The group said in a report published on Friday that a combination of factors had tipped Gaza into famine: the intensifying conflict, stringent Israeli restrictions on aid, the collapse of health care, water and sanitation systems, the destruction of local agriculture and the growing number of times people had been forced to flee for new shelters.

It said that conditions in the northernmost part of Gaza were likely to be as severe, or worse, than in Gaza City, but that it had not had enough data to judge whether famine was occurring there. And it said it did not analyze Rafah, the southernmost part of Gaza, because most people there had been forced to leave.

The report said that famine in Gaza could be "halted and reversed" because it was "entirely man-made."

"The time for debate and hesitation has passed," it added. "Starvation is present and is rapidly spreading."
Even a short delay in flooding Gaza with aid would "exponentially" increase preventable deaths, it said.

The top U.N. humanitarian official, Tom Fletcher, told journalists in Geneva that the famine was one "we could have prevented if we had been allowed. Yet food stacks up at borders because of systematic obstruction by Israel."

Calling for a cease-fire to allow for a flood of aid into Gaza, he added: "It is a famine openly promoted by some Israeli leaders as a weapon of war."

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/22/world/middleeast/famine-gaza-city-israel.html

Yet...

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/skt7sthfxl

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It's documented "famine" was redefined.
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Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Gaza City and Surrounding Areas Are Officially Under Famine, Monitors Say

At least half a million people in the enclave were facing the most severe conditions measured by U.N.-backed international experts: starvation, acute malnutrition and death.

By Vivian Yee
August 22, 2025

Gaza City and the surrounding territory are officially suffering from famine, a global group of experts announced on Friday, nearly two years into an unrelenting war in which Israel has blocked most food and other aid from entering the Gaza Strip.

The group, which the United Nations and aid agencies rely on to monitor and classify global hunger crises, said that at least half a million people in Gaza Governorate were facing the most severe conditions it measures: starvation, acute malnutrition and death.

With rare exceptions, the rest of Gaza's total population of two million people was also struggling with severe hunger, according to the group, the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification, which is made up of experts who monitor world hunger.

The group said in a report published on Friday that a combination of factors had tipped Gaza into famine: the intensifying conflict, stringent Israeli restrictions on aid, the collapse of health care, water and sanitation systems, the destruction of local agriculture and the growing number of times people had been forced to flee for new shelters.

It said that conditions in the northernmost part of Gaza were likely to be as severe, or worse, than in Gaza City, but that it had not had enough data to judge whether famine was occurring there. And it said it did not analyze Rafah, the southernmost part of Gaza, because most people there had been forced to leave.

The report said that famine in Gaza could be "halted and reversed" because it was "entirely man-made."

"The time for debate and hesitation has passed," it added. "Starvation is present and is rapidly spreading."
Even a short delay in flooding Gaza with aid would "exponentially" increase preventable deaths, it said.

The top U.N. humanitarian official, Tom Fletcher, told journalists in Geneva that the famine was one "we could have prevented if we had been allowed. Yet food stacks up at borders because of systematic obstruction by Israel."

Calling for a cease-fire to allow for a flood of aid into Gaza, he added: "It is a famine openly promoted by some Israeli leaders as a weapon of war."

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/22/world/middleeast/famine-gaza-city-israel.html

Yet...

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/skt7sthfxl



More lies from the criminal Netanyahu government. There was no lowering of thresholds to make the determination.
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It's documented "famine" was redefined.

"partial and manipulated data supplied by Hamas."

How could that be happening? Hamas are the good guys, right?
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Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Gaza City and Surrounding Areas Are Officially Under Famine, Monitors Say

At least half a million people in the enclave were facing the most severe conditions measured by U.N.-backed international experts: starvation, acute malnutrition and death.

By Vivian Yee
August 22, 2025

Gaza City and the surrounding territory are officially suffering from famine, a global group of experts announced on Friday, nearly two years into an unrelenting war in which Israel has blocked most food and other aid from entering the Gaza Strip.

The group, which the United Nations and aid agencies rely on to monitor and classify global hunger crises, said that at least half a million people in Gaza Governorate were facing the most severe conditions it measures: starvation, acute malnutrition and death.

With rare exceptions, the rest of Gaza's total population of two million people was also struggling with severe hunger, according to the group, the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification, which is made up of experts who monitor world hunger.

The group said in a report published on Friday that a combination of factors had tipped Gaza into famine: the intensifying conflict, stringent Israeli restrictions on aid, the collapse of health care, water and sanitation systems, the destruction of local agriculture and the growing number of times people had been forced to flee for new shelters.

It said that conditions in the northernmost part of Gaza were likely to be as severe, or worse, than in Gaza City, but that it had not had enough data to judge whether famine was occurring there. And it said it did not analyze Rafah, the southernmost part of Gaza, because most people there had been forced to leave.

The report said that famine in Gaza could be "halted and reversed" because it was "entirely man-made."

"The time for debate and hesitation has passed," it added. "Starvation is present and is rapidly spreading."
Even a short delay in flooding Gaza with aid would "exponentially" increase preventable deaths, it said.

The top U.N. humanitarian official, Tom Fletcher, told journalists in Geneva that the famine was one "we could have prevented if we had been allowed. Yet food stacks up at borders because of systematic obstruction by Israel."

Calling for a cease-fire to allow for a flood of aid into Gaza, he added: "It is a famine openly promoted by some Israeli leaders as a weapon of war."

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/22/world/middleeast/famine-gaza-city-israel.html

Yet...

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/skt7sthfxl



More lies from the criminal Netanyahu government. There was no lowering of thresholds to make the determination.

it's literally been documented Hamas Harry.

BTW - have the hostages been released?
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Harrison Bergeron said:

It's documented "famine" was redefined.

"partial and manipulated data supplied by Hamas."

How could that be happening? Hamas are the good guys, right?

Hamas Harry believes the terrorists but not the victims. Not shocking.
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Hopefully a permanent end

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Sam,
Why is your ilk faking photos and stuff?
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Sam,
Why is your ilk faking photos and stuff?

No one's faking photos. No one is faking a famine. War propagandists are faking news, as usual.
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Sam,
Why is your ilk faking photos and stuff?

No one's faking photos. No one is faking a famine. War propagandists are faking news, as usual.

That damn Time magazine, faking **** all the time.
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Have the hostages been released?
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No skinny kids or people in this Gaza photo. They look well fed and contented.



https://www.timesofisrael.com/gaza-photographer-denies-staging-images-of-hunger-or-affiliating-with-hamas/
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/german-newspapers-accuse-global-news-outlets-of-using-staged-photos-from-gaza/
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Sam Lowry said:

ScottS said:

Sam,
Why is your ilk faking photos and stuff?

No one's faking photos. No one is faking a famine. War propagandists are faking news, as usual.


You are gullible.
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ScottS said:

Sam Lowry said:

ScottS said:

Sam,
Why is your ilk faking photos and stuff?

No one's faking photos. No one is faking a famine. War propagandists are faking news, as usual.


You are gullible.

You know not of what you speak. I could explain, but it would involve science...and we all know how popular that is around here.
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Sam Lowry said:

ScottS said:

Sam Lowry said:

ScottS said:

Sam,
Why is your ilk faking photos and stuff?

No one's faking photos. No one is faking a famine. War propagandists are faking news, as usual.


You are gullible.

You know not of what you speak. I could explain, but it would involve science...and we all know how popular that is around here.

Photos are made by capturing light on a light-sensitive surface, like a digital sensor or film. In a camera, light enters through a lens, which focuses it onto the sensor or film. In digital cameras, the sensor converts the light into an electronic signal, creating a digital image. In film cameras, the light causes a chemical reaction on the film, which is later developed into a visible image. The process involves controlling exposure (how much light), focus, and timing to get the desired picture. Photos of the fake media coverage are made in this way
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