Tucker's attempt to normalize Nick Fuentes

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Mothra
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Osodecentx said:

Realitybites said:

Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Tucker is a facilitator, not a gatekeeper.

You'll understand what he does better if you start there.

And then the last of the groypers and Tucker apologists makes an appearance.

Batting 1.000 on this thread.

Tucker only seems to ask the difficult questions of his "fellow" conservatives. If you're a racist or despot, you apparently get a pass.

But he's just a "facilitator" and all...


I am a Tucker apologist. He has done more to turn the political right into a movement and inform people than almost any other media figure. He's certainly done more than clowns like Hannity, Shapiro, Levin, and the two successors to Rush Limbaugh. Yeah he gets a pass.

I oppose this: Foreign Lobby Watch

I oppose Israel using AIPAC to circumvent FARA.

I oppose giving foreign nations aid when we have a debt to GDP ratio of 130%.

And yes, I believe that the Church is the Israel of God and the Mosaic covenant is done (Hebrews 8:13).

Apparently this makes me an anti-Semitic Hitler figure or something.

I am not a groyper. And while I disagree with some - possibly even much - of what Fuentes says, the two of us have this in common...after living our adult lives under the political orthodoxy enforced by the political establishment we are both well past caring what those who represent it care about what we think.

Ben Shapiro in WSJ"

The American right is at a crossroads. A group of white supremacists known as the "groypers" is maliciously attempting to subvert the conservative movement. The main agent of their normalization within the GOP is Tucker Carlson, who is now being aided and celebrated by one of the key organizations of the traditional right, the Heritage Foundation.
Nick Fuentes, the groypers' 27-year-old leader, urges his followers to "kill, rape and die" for him. He proclaims that a lot of women want to be raped, praises Jim Crow and insists that "perfidious" Jews should be expelled from America or be killed. He claims the MAGA movement is a "scam."
Mr. Carlson, who interviewed Mr. Fuentes last week, has recently reinvented himself as a conspiracy peddler and apologist for America's enemies. He's defended Vladimir Putin, massaged Iran's dictatorship, praised Venezuela's, and minimized Hamas's atrocities. He claims Christian Zionists have a "brain virus" and calls Jews who care about Oct. 7 "un-American."
Mr. Carlson's most common tactic is ideological laundering: He hosts guests with ugly ideologies, soft-pedals their views and launders them into mainstream respectability. He claims he's "just asking questions," and that's precisely what he did last week: Mr. Carlson ignored Mr. Fuentes's most toxic views, providing him a signal boost while making him palatable for a broader audience. Never mind that doing so betrayed Mr. Carlson's friends. Mr. Fuentes spent years attempting to destroy Charlie Kirk, assailed his grieving widow and says that Vice President JD Vance's interracial marriage ought to invalidate him for higher office.
Mr. Carlson didn't ask about any of thatto do so would have undermined his mission, which is to legitimize Mr. Fuentes and co-opt his audience.

The Republican Party, like the Democratic Party before it, is at risk of being eaten alive by fringe actors. To allow it is both morally unjustifiable and politically obtuse. Americans reject this garbage. If Republicans cower before Nazi apologists and their popularizers, the GOP will loseand deserve to.
Our answer must be no. No to the groypers and their publicists like Mr. Carlson. No to demoralization. No to bigotry and antimeritocratic nonsense. No to anti-Americanism. This is our country, our party and our conservative movement. We can't stand by while it is fractured by those who betray our most fundamental principles.
If we lose the right, then we will surely lose to the leftand either way, we will lose our country.
Ben Shapiro

I don't listen to Shapiro, but it's hard to argue with any of the above.
Redbrickbear
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Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

Realitybites said:

Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Tucker is a facilitator, not a gatekeeper.

You'll understand what he does better if you start there.

And then the last of the groypers and Tucker apologists makes an appearance.

Batting 1.000 on this thread.

Tucker only seems to ask the difficult questions of his "fellow" conservatives. If you're a racist or despot, you apparently get a pass.

But he's just a "facilitator" and all...


I am a Tucker apologist. He has done more to turn the political right into a movement and inform people than almost any other media figure. He's certainly done more than clowns like Hannity, Shapiro, Levin, and the two successors to Rush Limbaugh. Yeah he gets a pass.

I oppose this: Foreign Lobby Watch

I oppose Israel using AIPAC to circumvent FARA.

I oppose giving foreign nations aid when we have a debt to GDP ratio of 130%.

And yes, I believe that the Church is the Israel of God and the Mosaic covenant is done (Hebrews 8:13).

Apparently this makes me an anti-Semitic Hitler figure or something.

I am not a groyper. And while I disagree with some - possibly even much - of what Fuentes says, the two of us have this in common...after living our adult lives under the political orthodoxy enforced by the political establishment we are both well past caring what those who represent it care about what we think.

Ben Shapiro in WSJ"

The American right is at a crossroads.'''

Mr. Carlson's most common tactic is ideological laundering: He hosts guests with ugly ideologies, soft-pedals their views and launders them into mainstream respectability. He claims he's "just asking questions," and that's precisely what he did last week:

The Republican Party, like the Democratic Party before it, is at risk of being eaten alive by fringe actors. To allow it is both morally unjustifiable and politically obtuse. Americans reject this garbage.

I don't listen to Shapiro, but it's hard to argue with any of the above.


1. The American Right is not at a "crossroads"....most normal people are not even aware of these internet fights.

2. This is the same language that liberals use to silence conservatives all the time...."dangerous", "soft-pedals and launder views"

He is essentially arguing for the same kind of liberal and leftist tactics used against free speech on college campuses and the Media that he claims to have been fighting against.

3. The Republican party is in no danger of being "eaten alive" by anti-Israel and anti-jewish views.

That is a hysteric statement....and not close to reality.

Most normal Republicans and certainly the majority of Congress are not in any danger of moving on their very pro-Israel positions. They are not even really aware of these podcaster type debates about the issue at all.

[A Gallup survey from earlier this year found that 83% of Republican voters have a positive view of Israel, compared to just 33% of Democrats. That 50-point gap..]

Massive supermajority support inside the party for Israel.

He would be better served, and more accurate, to say there is a danger of YOUNG republicans or young conservatives losing support for Israel. Something that would take decades to play out electorally or through policy.

There is zero chance for any change in the foreseeable future on the issue of Israel among the GOP


Mothra
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Redbrickbear said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

Realitybites said:

Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Tucker is a facilitator, not a gatekeeper.

You'll understand what he does better if you start there.

And then the last of the groypers and Tucker apologists makes an appearance.

Batting 1.000 on this thread.

Tucker only seems to ask the difficult questions of his "fellow" conservatives. If you're a racist or despot, you apparently get a pass.

But he's just a "facilitator" and all...


I am a Tucker apologist. He has done more to turn the political right into a movement and inform people than almost any other media figure. He's certainly done more than clowns like Hannity, Shapiro, Levin, and the two successors to Rush Limbaugh. Yeah he gets a pass.

I oppose this: Foreign Lobby Watch

I oppose Israel using AIPAC to circumvent FARA.

I oppose giving foreign nations aid when we have a debt to GDP ratio of 130%.

And yes, I believe that the Church is the Israel of God and the Mosaic covenant is done (Hebrews 8:13).

Apparently this makes me an anti-Semitic Hitler figure or something.

I am not a groyper. And while I disagree with some - possibly even much - of what Fuentes says, the two of us have this in common...after living our adult lives under the political orthodoxy enforced by the political establishment we are both well past caring what those who represent it care about what we think.

Ben Shapiro in WSJ"

The American right is at a crossroads.'''

Mr. Carlson's most common tactic is ideological laundering: He hosts guests with ugly ideologies, soft-pedals their views and launders them into mainstream respectability. He claims he's "just asking questions," and that's precisely what he did last week:

The Republican Party, like the Democratic Party before it, is at risk of being eaten alive by fringe actors. To allow it is both morally unjustifiable and politically obtuse. Americans reject this garbage.

I don't listen to Shapiro, but it's hard to argue with any of the above.


1. The American Right is not at a "crossroads"....most normal people are not even aware of these internet fights.

2. This is the same language that liberals use to silence conservatives all the time...."dangerous", "soft-pedals and launder views"

He is essentially arguing for the same kind of liberal and leftist tactics used against free speech on college campuses and the Media that he claims to have been fighting against.

3. The Republican party is in no danger of being "eaten alive" by anti-Israel and anti-jewish views.

That is a hysteric statement....and not close to reality.

Most normal Republicans and certainly the majority of Congress are not in any danger of moving on their very pro-Israel positions.

[A Gallup survey from earlier this year found that 83% of Republican voters have a positive view of Israel, compared to just 33% of Democrats. That 50-point gap..]

Massive supermajority support inside the party.

He would be better served and more accurate to say there is a danger of YOUNG republicans or conservatives losing support for Israel. Something that would take decades to play out.

There is zero chance for any change in the foresable future on the issue of Israel among the GOP


While Shapiro may be a little melodramatic, I disagree with you completely that this is some fringe issue that may not affect future elections. We have very conservative friends here in our community that feel the same way as the groypers, and have advised they will not vote for future Republican candidates based on same. My son literally had a debate with a large faction of his football team that minimized the Holocaust, and claim Hitler isn't so bad. It's incredible.

I think you underestimate how big the faction is. When Tucker, given his influence and audience, starts preaching it, it's time to take notice. Ignoring the issue only makes it worse.
Redbrickbear
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Mothra said:

Redbrickbear said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

Realitybites said:

Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Tucker is a facilitator, not a gatekeeper.

You'll understand what he does better if you start there.

And then the last of the groypers and Tucker apologists makes an appearance.

Batting 1.000 on this thread.

Tucker only seems to ask the difficult questions of his "fellow" conservatives. If you're a racist or despot, you apparently get a pass.

But he's just a "facilitator" and all...


I am a Tucker apologist. He has done more to turn the political right into a movement and inform people than almost any other media figure. He's certainly done more than clowns like Hannity, Shapiro, Levin, and the two successors to Rush Limbaugh. Yeah he gets a pass.

I oppose this: Foreign Lobby Watch

I oppose Israel using AIPAC to circumvent FARA.

I oppose giving foreign nations aid when we have a debt to GDP ratio of 130%.

And yes, I believe that the Church is the Israel of God and the Mosaic covenant is done (Hebrews 8:13).

Apparently this makes me an anti-Semitic Hitler figure or something.

I am not a groyper. And while I disagree with some - possibly even much - of what Fuentes says, the two of us have this in common...after living our adult lives under the political orthodoxy enforced by the political establishment we are both well past caring what those who represent it care about what we think.

Ben Shapiro in WSJ"

The American right is at a crossroads.'''

Mr. Carlson's most common tactic is ideological laundering: He hosts guests with ugly ideologies, soft-pedals their views and launders them into mainstream respectability. He claims he's "just asking questions," and that's precisely what he did last week:

The Republican Party, like the Democratic Party before it, is at risk of being eaten alive by fringe actors. To allow it is both morally unjustifiable and politically obtuse. Americans reject this garbage.

I don't listen to Shapiro, but it's hard to argue with any of the above.


1. The American Right is not at a "crossroads"....most normal people are not even aware of these internet fights.

2. This is the same language that liberals use to silence conservatives all the time...."dangerous", "soft-pedals and launder views"

He is essentially arguing for the same kind of liberal and leftist tactics used against free speech on college campuses and the Media that he claims to have been fighting against.

3. The Republican party is in no danger of being "eaten alive" by anti-Israel and anti-jewish views.

That is a hysteric statement....and not close to reality.

Most normal Republicans and certainly the majority of Congress are not in any danger of moving on their very pro-Israel positions.

[A Gallup survey from earlier this year found that 83% of Republican voters have a positive view of Israel, compared to just 33% of Democrats. That 50-point gap..]

Massive supermajority support inside the party.

He would be better served and more accurate to say there is a danger of YOUNG republicans or conservatives losing support for Israel. Something that would take decades to play out.

There is zero chance for any change in the foresable future on the issue of Israel among the GOP


I disagree with you completely that this is some fringe issue that may not affect future elections. We have very conservative friends here in our community that feel the same way as the groypers, and have advised they will not vote for future Republican candidates based on same.

I think you underestimate how big the faction is. When Tucker, given his influence and audience, starts preaching it, it's time to take notice. Ignoring the issue only makes it worse.

And you will always have people who don't fit the mainstream on this or that issue. Or are just straight up on on the fringe.

But still....look at the real data

[A Gallup survey from earlier this year found that 83% of Republican voters have a positive view of Israel, compared to just 33% of Democrats. That 50-point gap is easily the largest since Gallup began tracking the data, and three times as large as the 18-point difference between Democratic and Republican voters that existed between 2001 and 2023.]

The GOP is as much of a pro-Israel party as can be.

Now there is a debate about the young conservatives and their views on Israel....but again that would take decades to play out.

25 year olds don't hold power in the party (or anywhere else)


And if there is a debate to be had....then make the arguments for why being pro-Israel is needed. That is what Shapiro has to do.

He can't win the argument by falling back on the old authoritarian tactics of the American Liberal-Left.....trying to silence people that he does not like, shut down debate, intimidate people, de-platform, drive them off the college campus, calling them defamatory names "racist:, ect.

That does not even work anymore as a tactic.....Jon Stewart was chastised this past week by some New Yorker magazine bootlicker about talking to the "wrong kind of people" or "platforming dangerous people"....Joe Rogan specifically... and Stewart made the accurate assessment that if you don't talk to people you can't find out what they really think and that EVERYONE has a platform now with the internet and you can't shut it down anyway....you just look like a censor in trying.

"There is not a person in this world right now who is not platformed" -Jon Stewart


The_barBEARian
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Mothra said:

Redbrickbear said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

Realitybites said:

Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Tucker is a facilitator, not a gatekeeper.

You'll understand what he does better if you start there.

And then the last of the groypers and Tucker apologists makes an appearance.

Batting 1.000 on this thread.

Tucker only seems to ask the difficult questions of his "fellow" conservatives. If you're a racist or despot, you apparently get a pass.

But he's just a "facilitator" and all...


I am a Tucker apologist. He has done more to turn the political right into a movement and inform people than almost any other media figure. He's certainly done more than clowns like Hannity, Shapiro, Levin, and the two successors to Rush Limbaugh. Yeah he gets a pass.

I oppose this: Foreign Lobby Watch

I oppose Israel using AIPAC to circumvent FARA.

I oppose giving foreign nations aid when we have a debt to GDP ratio of 130%.

And yes, I believe that the Church is the Israel of God and the Mosaic covenant is done (Hebrews 8:13).

Apparently this makes me an anti-Semitic Hitler figure or something.

I am not a groyper. And while I disagree with some - possibly even much - of what Fuentes says, the two of us have this in common...after living our adult lives under the political orthodoxy enforced by the political establishment we are both well past caring what those who represent it care about what we think.

Ben Shapiro in WSJ"

The American right is at a crossroads.'''

Mr. Carlson's most common tactic is ideological laundering: He hosts guests with ugly ideologies, soft-pedals their views and launders them into mainstream respectability. He claims he's "just asking questions," and that's precisely what he did last week:

The Republican Party, like the Democratic Party before it, is at risk of being eaten alive by fringe actors. To allow it is both morally unjustifiable and politically obtuse. Americans reject this garbage.

I don't listen to Shapiro, but it's hard to argue with any of the above.


1. The American Right is not at a "crossroads"....most normal people are not even aware of these internet fights.

2. This is the same language that liberals use to silence conservatives all the time...."dangerous", "soft-pedals and launder views"

He is essentially arguing for the same kind of liberal and leftist tactics used against free speech on college campuses and the Media that he claims to have been fighting against.

3. The Republican party is in no danger of being "eaten alive" by anti-Israel and anti-jewish views.

That is a hysteric statement....and not close to reality.

Most normal Republicans and certainly the majority of Congress are not in any danger of moving on their very pro-Israel positions.

[A Gallup survey from earlier this year found that 83% of Republican voters have a positive view of Israel, compared to just 33% of Democrats. That 50-point gap..]

Massive supermajority support inside the party.

He would be better served and more accurate to say there is a danger of YOUNG republicans or conservatives losing support for Israel. Something that would take decades to play out.

There is zero chance for any change in the foresable future on the issue of Israel among the GOP


While Shapiro may be a little melodramatic, I disagree with you completely that this is some fringe issue that may not affect future elections. We have very conservative friends here in our community that feel the same way as the groypers, and have advised they will not vote for future Republican candidates based on same. My son literally had a debate with a large faction of his football team that minimized the Holocaust, and claim Hitler isn't so bad. It's incredible.

I think you underestimate how big the faction is. When Tucker, given his influence and audience, starts preaching it, it's time to take notice. Ignoring the issue only makes it worse.


I can just imagine your son trying to tone police and emotionally manipulate teenage boys about events that happened 80 years ago on the other side of the world that they had no hand in with the same self-righteousness you display on here.

He is going to end up getting shoved in a locker.

Cry bully tactics only work on weak whites descended from medieval peasant stock... and that demographic is getting smaller and smaller every school year... I suppose it works on females too
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

Redbrickbear said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

Realitybites said:

Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Tucker is a facilitator, not a gatekeeper.

You'll understand what he does better if you start there.

And then the last of the groypers and Tucker apologists makes an appearance.

Batting 1.000 on this thread.

Tucker only seems to ask the difficult questions of his "fellow" conservatives. If you're a racist or despot, you apparently get a pass.

But he's just a "facilitator" and all...


I am a Tucker apologist. He has done more to turn the political right into a movement and inform people than almost any other media figure. He's certainly done more than clowns like Hannity, Shapiro, Levin, and the two successors to Rush Limbaugh. Yeah he gets a pass.

I oppose this: Foreign Lobby Watch

I oppose Israel using AIPAC to circumvent FARA.

I oppose giving foreign nations aid when we have a debt to GDP ratio of 130%.

And yes, I believe that the Church is the Israel of God and the Mosaic covenant is done (Hebrews 8:13).

Apparently this makes me an anti-Semitic Hitler figure or something.

I am not a groyper. And while I disagree with some - possibly even much - of what Fuentes says, the two of us have this in common...after living our adult lives under the political orthodoxy enforced by the political establishment we are both well past caring what those who represent it care about what we think.

Ben Shapiro in WSJ"

The American right is at a crossroads.'''

Mr. Carlson's most common tactic is ideological laundering: He hosts guests with ugly ideologies, soft-pedals their views and launders them into mainstream respectability. He claims he's "just asking questions," and that's precisely what he did last week:

The Republican Party, like the Democratic Party before it, is at risk of being eaten alive by fringe actors. To allow it is both morally unjustifiable and politically obtuse. Americans reject this garbage.

I don't listen to Shapiro, but it's hard to argue with any of the above.


1. The American Right is not at a "crossroads"....most normal people are not even aware of these internet fights.

2. This is the same language that liberals use to silence conservatives all the time...."dangerous", "soft-pedals and launder views"

He is essentially arguing for the same kind of liberal and leftist tactics used against free speech on college campuses and the Media that he claims to have been fighting against.

3. The Republican party is in no danger of being "eaten alive" by anti-Israel and anti-jewish views.

That is a hysteric statement....and not close to reality.

Most normal Republicans and certainly the majority of Congress are not in any danger of moving on their very pro-Israel positions.

[A Gallup survey from earlier this year found that 83% of Republican voters have a positive view of Israel, compared to just 33% of Democrats. That 50-point gap..]

Massive supermajority support inside the party.

He would be better served and more accurate to say there is a danger of YOUNG republicans or conservatives losing support for Israel. Something that would take decades to play out.

There is zero chance for any change in the foresable future on the issue of Israel among the GOP


While Shapiro may be a little melodramatic, I disagree with you completely that this is some fringe issue that may not affect future elections. We have very conservative friends here in our community that feel the same way as the groypers, and have advised they will not vote for future Republican candidates based on same. My son literally had a debate with a large faction of his football team that minimized the Holocaust, and claim Hitler isn't so bad. It's incredible.

I think you underestimate how big the faction is. When Tucker, given his influence and audience, starts preaching it, it's time to take notice. Ignoring the issue only makes it worse.


I can just imagine your son trying to tone police and emotionally manipulate teenage boys about events that happened 80 years ago on the other side of the world that they had no hand in with the same self-righteousness you display on here.

He is going to end up getting shoved in a locker.

Cry bully tactics only work on weak whites descended from medieval peasant stock... and that demographic is getting smaller and smaller every school year... I suppose it works on females too

We call that modern American education.

They've been telling young white men that they all owned slaves and are toxic sexual abusers - what did you Beta male idiots think was going to happen? We've turned education and other institutions over to irrational, emotional-hysterical overweight single cat ladies and we wonder why we have a problem.
Osodecentx
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Redbrickbear said:

Mothra said:

Redbrickbear said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

Realitybites said:

Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Tucker is a facilitator, not a gatekeeper.

You'll understand what he does better if you start there.

And then the last of the groypers and Tucker apologists makes an appearance.

Batting 1.000 on this thread.

Tucker only seems to ask the difficult questions of his "fellow" conservatives. If you're a racist or despot, you apparently get a pass.

But he's just a "facilitator" and all...


I am a Tucker apologist. He has done more to turn the political right into a movement and inform people than almost any other media figure. He's certainly done more than clowns like Hannity, Shapiro, Levin, and the two successors to Rush Limbaugh. Yeah he gets a pass.

I oppose this: Foreign Lobby Watch

I oppose Israel using AIPAC to circumvent FARA.

I oppose giving foreign nations aid when we have a debt to GDP ratio of 130%.

And yes, I believe that the Church is the Israel of God and the Mosaic covenant is done (Hebrews 8:13).

Apparently this makes me an anti-Semitic Hitler figure or something.

I am not a groyper. And while I disagree with some - possibly even much - of what Fuentes says, the two of us have this in common...after living our adult lives under the political orthodoxy enforced by the political establishment we are both well past caring what those who represent it care about what we think.

Ben Shapiro in WSJ"

The American right is at a crossroads.'''

Mr. Carlson's most common tactic is ideological laundering: He hosts guests with ugly ideologies, soft-pedals their views and launders them into mainstream respectability. He claims he's "just asking questions," and that's precisely what he did last week:

The Republican Party, like the Democratic Party before it, is at risk of being eaten alive by fringe actors. To allow it is both morally unjustifiable and politically obtuse. Americans reject this garbage.

I don't listen to Shapiro, but it's hard to argue with any of the above.


1. The American Right is not at a "crossroads"....most normal people are not even aware of these internet fights.

2. This is the same language that liberals use to silence conservatives all the time...."dangerous", "soft-pedals and launder views"

He is essentially arguing for the same kind of liberal and leftist tactics used against free speech on college campuses and the Media that he claims to have been fighting against.

3. The Republican party is in no danger of being "eaten alive" by anti-Israel and anti-jewish views.

That is a hysteric statement....and not close to reality.

Most normal Republicans and certainly the majority of Congress are not in any danger of moving on their very pro-Israel positions.

[A Gallup survey from earlier this year found that 83% of Republican voters have a positive view of Israel, compared to just 33% of Democrats. That 50-point gap..]

Massive supermajority support inside the party.

He would be better served and more accurate to say there is a danger of YOUNG republicans or conservatives losing support for Israel. Something that would take decades to play out.

There is zero chance for any change in the foresable future on the issue of Israel among the GOP


I disagree with you completely that this is some fringe issue that may not affect future elections. We have very conservative friends here in our community that feel the same way as the groypers, and have advised they will not vote for future Republican candidates based on same.

I think you underestimate how big the faction is. When Tucker, given his influence and audience, starts preaching it, it's time to take notice. Ignoring the issue only makes it worse.

And you will always have people who don't fit the mainstream on this or that issue. Or are just straight up on on the fringe.

But still....look at the real data

[A Gallup survey from earlier this year found that 83% of Republican voters have a positive view of Israel, compared to just 33% of Democrats. That 50-point gap is easily the largest since Gallup began tracking the data, and three times as large as the 18-point difference between Democratic and Republican voters that existed between 2001 and 2023.]

The GOP is as much of a pro-Israel party as can be.

Now there is a debate about the young conservatives and their views on Israel....but again that would take decades to play out.

25 year olds don't hold power in the party (or anywhere else)


And if there is a debate to be had....then make the arguments for why being pro-Israel is needed. That is what Shapiro has to do.

He can't win the argument by falling back on the old authoritarian tactics of the American Liberal-Left.....trying to silence people that he does not like, shut down debate, intimidate people, de-platform, drive them off the college campus, calling them defamatory names "racist:, ect.

That does not even work anymore as a tactic.....Jon Stewart was chastised this past week by some New York Times bootlicker about talking to the "wrong kind of people" or "platforming people"....Joe Rogan specifically... and Stewart made the accurate assessment that if you don't talk to people you can't find out what they really think and that EVERYONE has a platform now with the internet and you can't shut it down anyway....you just look like a censor in trying.

"There is not a person in this world right now who is not platformed" -Jon Stewart





From National Review

Robert Rector a welfare scholar who said he has been with Heritage for 47 years, compared Carlson and Fuentes to members of the John Birch Society and argued that they need to be sidelined in the same way that National Review founder William F. Buckley sidelined the Birchers in the 1960's.

"Tucker's show is like stepping into a lunatic asylum," Rector said in remarks first reported by the Beacon, arguing that Carlson failed to confront Fuentes over his bigoted views and also gave a pass to the revisionist amateur historian Darryl Cooper, who argued during an appearance on Carlson's show that Winston Churchill was the real villain of World War II.
Mothra
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

Redbrickbear said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

Realitybites said:

Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Tucker is a facilitator, not a gatekeeper.

You'll understand what he does better if you start there.

And then the last of the groypers and Tucker apologists makes an appearance.

Batting 1.000 on this thread.

Tucker only seems to ask the difficult questions of his "fellow" conservatives. If you're a racist or despot, you apparently get a pass.

But he's just a "facilitator" and all...


I am a Tucker apologist. He has done more to turn the political right into a movement and inform people than almost any other media figure. He's certainly done more than clowns like Hannity, Shapiro, Levin, and the two successors to Rush Limbaugh. Yeah he gets a pass.

I oppose this: Foreign Lobby Watch

I oppose Israel using AIPAC to circumvent FARA.

I oppose giving foreign nations aid when we have a debt to GDP ratio of 130%.

And yes, I believe that the Church is the Israel of God and the Mosaic covenant is done (Hebrews 8:13).

Apparently this makes me an anti-Semitic Hitler figure or something.

I am not a groyper. And while I disagree with some - possibly even much - of what Fuentes says, the two of us have this in common...after living our adult lives under the political orthodoxy enforced by the political establishment we are both well past caring what those who represent it care about what we think.

Ben Shapiro in WSJ"

The American right is at a crossroads.'''

Mr. Carlson's most common tactic is ideological laundering: He hosts guests with ugly ideologies, soft-pedals their views and launders them into mainstream respectability. He claims he's "just asking questions," and that's precisely what he did last week:

The Republican Party, like the Democratic Party before it, is at risk of being eaten alive by fringe actors. To allow it is both morally unjustifiable and politically obtuse. Americans reject this garbage.

I don't listen to Shapiro, but it's hard to argue with any of the above.


1. The American Right is not at a "crossroads"....most normal people are not even aware of these internet fights.

2. This is the same language that liberals use to silence conservatives all the time...."dangerous", "soft-pedals and launder views"

He is essentially arguing for the same kind of liberal and leftist tactics used against free speech on college campuses and the Media that he claims to have been fighting against.

3. The Republican party is in no danger of being "eaten alive" by anti-Israel and anti-jewish views.

That is a hysteric statement....and not close to reality.

Most normal Republicans and certainly the majority of Congress are not in any danger of moving on their very pro-Israel positions.

[A Gallup survey from earlier this year found that 83% of Republican voters have a positive view of Israel, compared to just 33% of Democrats. That 50-point gap..]

Massive supermajority support inside the party.

He would be better served and more accurate to say there is a danger of YOUNG republicans or conservatives losing support for Israel. Something that would take decades to play out.

There is zero chance for any change in the foresable future on the issue of Israel among the GOP


While Shapiro may be a little melodramatic, I disagree with you completely that this is some fringe issue that may not affect future elections. We have very conservative friends here in our community that feel the same way as the groypers, and have advised they will not vote for future Republican candidates based on same. My son literally had a debate with a large faction of his football team that minimized the Holocaust, and claim Hitler isn't so bad. It's incredible.

I think you underestimate how big the faction is. When Tucker, given his influence and audience, starts preaching it, it's time to take notice. Ignoring the issue only makes it worse.


I can just imagine your son trying to tone police and emotionally manipulate teenage boys about events that happened 80 years ago on the other side of the world that they had no hand in with the same self-righteousness you display on here.

He is going to end up getting shoved in a locker.

Cry bully tactics only work on weak whites descended from medieval peasant stock... and that demographic is getting smaller and smaller every school year... I suppose it works on females too

Probably would be difficult to shove my son into a locker. He's 6'4", around 230, and is the starting tight end for his team, ranked 8th in the state. Most likely the other way around. In other words, he's not a concaved chest 5'8" inch weakling like yourself.

But he's never do such a thing. He is not a racist, nor 30 something living in his parents basement, like you. He's got brains, and can point out the error of their arguments just fine. He'd run circles around your dumb ass.
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Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Mothra said:

Redbrickbear said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

Realitybites said:

Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Tucker is a facilitator, not a gatekeeper.

You'll understand what he does better if you start there.

And then the last of the groypers and Tucker apologists makes an appearance.

Batting 1.000 on this thread.

Tucker only seems to ask the difficult questions of his "fellow" conservatives. If you're a racist or despot, you apparently get a pass.

But he's just a "facilitator" and all...


I am a Tucker apologist. He has done more to turn the political right into a movement and inform people than almost any other media figure. He's certainly done more than clowns like Hannity, Shapiro, Levin, and the two successors to Rush Limbaugh. Yeah he gets a pass.

I oppose this: Foreign Lobby Watch

I oppose Israel using AIPAC to circumvent FARA.

I oppose giving foreign nations aid when we have a debt to GDP ratio of 130%.

And yes, I believe that the Church is the Israel of God and the Mosaic covenant is done (Hebrews 8:13).

Apparently this makes me an anti-Semitic Hitler figure or something.

I am not a groyper. And while I disagree with some - possibly even much - of what Fuentes says, the two of us have this in common...after living our adult lives under the political orthodoxy enforced by the political establishment we are both well past caring what those who represent it care about what we think.

Ben Shapiro in WSJ"

The American right is at a crossroads.'''

Mr. Carlson's most common tactic is ideological laundering: He hosts guests with ugly ideologies, soft-pedals their views and launders them into mainstream respectability. He claims he's "just asking questions," and that's precisely what he did last week:

The Republican Party, like the Democratic Party before it, is at risk of being eaten alive by fringe actors. To allow it is both morally unjustifiable and politically obtuse. Americans reject this garbage.

I don't listen to Shapiro, but it's hard to argue with any of the above.


1. The American Right is not at a "crossroads"....most normal people are not even aware of these internet fights.

2. This is the same language that liberals use to silence conservatives all the time...."dangerous", "soft-pedals and launder views"

He is essentially arguing for the same kind of liberal and leftist tactics used against free speech on college campuses and the Media that he claims to have been fighting against.

3. The Republican party is in no danger of being "eaten alive" by anti-Israel and anti-jewish views.

That is a hysteric statement....and not close to reality.

Most normal Republicans and certainly the majority of Congress are not in any danger of moving on their very pro-Israel positions.

[A Gallup survey from earlier this year found that 83% of Republican voters have a positive view of Israel, compared to just 33% of Democrats. That 50-point gap..]

Massive supermajority support inside the party.

He would be better served and more accurate to say there is a danger of YOUNG republicans or conservatives losing support for Israel. Something that would take decades to play out.

There is zero chance for any change in the foresable future on the issue of Israel among the GOP


I disagree with you completely that this is some fringe issue that may not affect future elections. We have very conservative friends here in our community that feel the same way as the groypers, and have advised they will not vote for future Republican candidates based on same.

I think you underestimate how big the faction is. When Tucker, given his influence and audience, starts preaching it, it's time to take notice. Ignoring the issue only makes it worse.

And you will always have people who don't fit the mainstream on this or that issue. Or are just straight up on on the fringe.

But still....look at the real data

[A Gallup survey from earlier this year found that 83% of Republican voters have a positive view of Israel, compared to just 33% of Democrats. That 50-point gap is easily the largest since Gallup began tracking the data, and three times as large as the 18-point difference between Democratic and Republican voters that existed between 2001 and 2023.]

The GOP is as much of a pro-Israel party as can be.

Now there is a debate about the young conservatives and their views on Israel....but again that would take decades to play out.

25 year olds don't hold power in the party (or anywhere else)


And if there is a debate to be had....then make the arguments for why being pro-Israel is needed. That is what Shapiro has to do.

He can't win the argument by falling back on the old authoritarian tactics of the American Liberal-Left.....trying to silence people that he does not like, shut down debate, intimidate people, de-platform, drive them off the college campus, calling them defamatory names "racist:, ect.

That does not even work anymore as a tactic.....Jon Stewart was chastised this past week by some New York Times bootlicker about talking to the "wrong kind of people" or "platforming people"....Joe Rogan specifically... and Stewart made the accurate assessment that if you don't talk to people you can't find out what they really think and that EVERYONE has a platform now with the internet and you can't shut it down anyway....you just look like a censor in trying.

"There is not a person in this world right now who is not platformed" -Jon Stewart





From National Review

Robert Rector a welfare scholar who said he has been with Heritage for 47 years, compared Carlson and Fuentes to members of the John Birch Society and argued that they need to be sidelined in the same way that National Review founder William F. Buckley sidelined the Birchers in the 1960's.

"Tucker's show is like stepping into a lunatic asylum," Rector said in remarks first reported by the Beacon, arguing that Carlson failed to confront Fuentes over his bigoted views and also gave a pass to the revisionist amateur historian Darryl Cooper, who argued during an appearance on Carlson's show that Winston Churchill was the real villain of World War II.


A basic argument for censorship…a very old line.

You don't have to out of your way to support John Birch nuttiness.

And you should absolutely speak out against the ideas they bring up you think are wrong, or inaccurate, or just plan crazy.

But as Jon Stewart pointed out this week you can't actually de-platform anyone in the internet age.

EVERYONE has a platform.

This is not 1980

You have to do the work to get out there and debate the ideas and win the battle of arguments.

Not just expect the legacy corporate media or political think tanks to do it for you.
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In the interview of Ted Cruz and Tucker Carlson, Ted Cruz said he supported the US giving large amounts of money and military support to Israel because of bible verses saying "he will bless them that bless thee."

Let's assume for a moment that this is the main reason why all Christian Republicans vote and endorse the US to support Israel. What is considered a blessing? How is this determined given our budgetary constrains? For example, Military.com says under Biden and Trump administration, the US has given 21.7 billion in military assistance to Israel since the start of the Gaza war two years ago. Link: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/10/07/us-has-given-least-217-billion-military-aid-israel-war-gaza-began-report-says.html

Would it still be considered a blessing to Israel if that amount had been reduced to say 5 or 10 billon and the other money was diverted to say help Nigerian Christians and help young people in the US be able to grow families and adapt to coming AI changes to various industries? Who decides what is the appropriate amount? If the amount is greater to Israel than these other interests, are we seeing a failing of the America First campaign promises and as Christians are we failing in our duty to support other Christians in need?

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Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

Redbrickbear said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

Realitybites said:

Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Tucker is a facilitator, not a gatekeeper.

You'll understand what he does better if you start there.

And then the last of the groypers and Tucker apologists makes an appearance.

Batting 1.000 on this thread.

Tucker only seems to ask the difficult questions of his "fellow" conservatives. If you're a racist or despot, you apparently get a pass.

But he's just a "facilitator" and all...


I am a Tucker apologist. He has done more to turn the political right into a movement and inform people than almost any other media figure. He's certainly done more than clowns like Hannity, Shapiro, Levin, and the two successors to Rush Limbaugh. Yeah he gets a pass.

I oppose this: Foreign Lobby Watch

I oppose Israel using AIPAC to circumvent FARA.

I oppose giving foreign nations aid when we have a debt to GDP ratio of 130%.

And yes, I believe that the Church is the Israel of God and the Mosaic covenant is done (Hebrews 8:13).

Apparently this makes me an anti-Semitic Hitler figure or something.

I am not a groyper. And while I disagree with some - possibly even much - of what Fuentes says, the two of us have this in common...after living our adult lives under the political orthodoxy enforced by the political establishment we are both well past caring what those who represent it care about what we think.

Ben Shapiro in WSJ"

The American right is at a crossroads.'''

Mr. Carlson's most common tactic is ideological laundering: He hosts guests with ugly ideologies, soft-pedals their views and launders them into mainstream respectability. He claims he's "just asking questions," and that's precisely what he did last week:

The Republican Party, like the Democratic Party before it, is at risk of being eaten alive by fringe actors. To allow it is both morally unjustifiable and politically obtuse. Americans reject this garbage.

I don't listen to Shapiro, but it's hard to argue with any of the above.


1. The American Right is not at a "crossroads"....most normal people are not even aware of these internet fights.

2. This is the same language that liberals use to silence conservatives all the time...."dangerous", "soft-pedals and launder views"

He is essentially arguing for the same kind of liberal and leftist tactics used against free speech on college campuses and the Media that he claims to have been fighting against.

3. The Republican party is in no danger of being "eaten alive" by anti-Israel and anti-jewish views.

That is a hysteric statement....and not close to reality.

Most normal Republicans and certainly the majority of Congress are not in any danger of moving on their very pro-Israel positions.

[A Gallup survey from earlier this year found that 83% of Republican voters have a positive view of Israel, compared to just 33% of Democrats. That 50-point gap..]

Massive supermajority support inside the party.

He would be better served and more accurate to say there is a danger of YOUNG republicans or conservatives losing support for Israel. Something that would take decades to play out.

There is zero chance for any change in the foresable future on the issue of Israel among the GOP


While Shapiro may be a little melodramatic, I disagree with you completely that this is some fringe issue that may not affect future elections. We have very conservative friends here in our community that feel the same way as the groypers, and have advised they will not vote for future Republican candidates based on same. My son literally had a debate with a large faction of his football team that minimized the Holocaust, and claim Hitler isn't so bad. It's incredible.

I think you underestimate how big the faction is. When Tucker, given his influence and audience, starts preaching it, it's time to take notice. Ignoring the issue only makes it worse.


I can just imagine your son trying to tone police and emotionally manipulate teenage boys about events that happened 80 years ago on the other side of the world that they had no hand in with the same self-righteousness you display on here.

He is going to end up getting shoved in a locker.

Cry bully tactics only work on weak whites descended from medieval peasant stock... and that demographic is getting smaller and smaller every school year... I suppose it works on females too

Probably would be difficult to shove my son into a locker. He's 6'4", around 230, and is the starting tight end for his team, ranked 8th in the state. Most likely the other way around. In other words, he's not a concaved chest 5'8" inch weakling like yourself.

But he's never do such a thing. He is not a racist, nor 30 something living in his parents basement, like you. He's got brains, and can point out the error of their arguments just fine. He'd run circles around your dumb ass.


lol okay bud.

I'm not going to disrespect your kid. It's not his fault his dad is a moron.

But bragging about the 8th best team is funny to me... I played for the #1 ranked team my junior and senior years at the highest division at the time.

And I am pretty confident in saying my parent's basement is bigger than your entire house
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Osodecentx said:

Realitybites said:

Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Tucker is a facilitator, not a gatekeeper.

You'll understand what he does better if you start there.

And then the last of the groypers and Tucker apologists makes an appearance.

Batting 1.000 on this thread.

Tucker only seems to ask the difficult questions of his "fellow" conservatives. If you're a racist or despot, you apparently get a pass.

But he's just a "facilitator" and all...


I am a Tucker apologist. He has done more to turn the political right into a movement and inform people than almost any other media figure. He's certainly done more than clowns like Hannity, Shapiro, Levin, and the two successors to Rush Limbaugh. Yeah he gets a pass.

I oppose this: Foreign Lobby Watch

I oppose Israel using AIPAC to circumvent FARA.

I oppose giving foreign nations aid when we have a debt to GDP ratio of 130%.

And yes, I believe that the Church is the Israel of God and the Mosaic covenant is done (Hebrews 8:13).

Apparently this makes me an anti-Semitic Hitler figure or something.

I am not a groyper. And while I disagree with some - possibly even much - of what Fuentes says, the two of us have this in common...after living our adult lives under the political orthodoxy enforced by the political establishment we are both well past caring what those who represent it care about what we think.

Ben Shapiro in WSJ"

The American right is at a crossroads. A group of white supremacists known as the "groypers" is maliciously attempting to subvert the conservative movement. The main agent of their normalization within the GOP is Tucker Carlson, who is now being aided and celebrated by one of the key organizations of the traditional right, the Heritage Foundation.
Nick Fuentes, the groypers' 27-year-old leader, urges his followers to "kill, rape and die" for him. He proclaims that a lot of women want to be raped, praises Jim Crow and insists that "perfidious" Jews should be expelled from America or be killed. He claims the MAGA movement is a "scam."
Mr. Carlson, who interviewed Mr. Fuentes last week, has recently reinvented himself as a conspiracy peddler and apologist for America's enemies. He's defended Vladimir Putin, massaged Iran's dictatorship, praised Venezuela's, and minimized Hamas's atrocities. He claims Christian Zionists have a "brain virus" and calls Jews who care about Oct. 7 "un-American."
Mr. Carlson's most common tactic is ideological laundering: He hosts guests with ugly ideologies, soft-pedals their views and launders them into mainstream respectability. He claims he's "just asking questions," and that's precisely what he did last week: Mr. Carlson ignored Mr. Fuentes's most toxic views, providing him a signal boost while making him palatable for a broader audience. Never mind that doing so betrayed Mr. Carlson's friends. Mr. Fuentes spent years attempting to destroy Charlie Kirk, assailed his grieving widow and says that Vice President JD Vance's interracial marriage ought to invalidate him for higher office.
Mr. Carlson didn't ask about any of thatto do so would have undermined his mission, which is to legitimize Mr. Fuentes and co-opt his audience.

The Republican Party, like the Democratic Party before it, is at risk of being eaten alive by fringe actors. To allow it is both morally unjustifiable and politically obtuse. Americans reject this garbage. If Republicans cower before Nazi apologists and their popularizers, the GOP will loseand deserve to.
Our answer must be no. No to the groypers and their publicists like Mr. Carlson. No to demoralization. No to bigotry and antimeritocratic nonsense. No to anti-Americanism. This is our country, our party and our conservative movement. We can't stand by while it is fractured by those who betray our most fundamental principles.
If we lose the right, then we will surely lose to the leftand either way, we will lose our country.
Ben Shapiro

Too little too late, Ben.
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Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Tucker is a facilitator, not a gatekeeper.

You'll understand what he does better if you start there.

And then the last of the groypers and Tucker apologists makes an appearance.

Batting 1.000 on this thread.

Tucker only seems to ask the difficult questions of his "fellow" conservatives. If you're a racist or despot, you apparently get a pass.

But he's just a "facilitator" and all...


I am a Tucker apologist. He has done more to turn the political right into a movement and inform people than almost any other media figure. He's certainly done more than clowns like Hannity, Shapiro, Levin, and the two successors to Rush Limbaugh. Yeah he gets a pass.

I oppose this: Foreign Lobby Watch

I oppose Israel using AIPAC to circumvent FARA.

I oppose giving foreign nations aid when we have a debt to GDP ratio of 130%.

And yes, I believe that the Church is the Israel of God and the Mosaic covenant is done (Hebrews 8:13).

Apparently this makes me an anti-Semitic Hitler figure or something.

I am not a groyper. And while I disagree with some - possibly even much - of what Fuentes says, the two of us have this in common...after living our adult lives under the political orthodoxy enforced by the political establishment we are both well past caring what those who represent it care about what we think.

At one time I would have agreed with you on Tucker. And then in the last two years, after reading his bible for the first time, Tucker apparently found some flawed version of the Catholic God, and then began guzzling the conspiracy theory kool-aid like gin at a sorority party. It's what has led to his praise of despots, murderers, and racists - like Putin, the Iranian president, Candace Owens, and now, Fuentes - and then excoriating people like Ted Cruz, a fellow conservative who supports Israel.

I'd suggest there is a happy medium between the Mark Levins of the world, and complete anti-semitic radicalism that blames Jews for most of the world's ills, and believes everything is a conspiracy. The fact you are willing to give such hateful and racist rhetoric a pass says all one needs to know about you on these issues. You may be slightly more polished than the other anti-semites who've made an appearance on this thread, but the fact is you subscribe a flawed replacement theology that contradicts the plain language of scripture, and have also swallowed the kool-aid blaming the Jews for the world's ills.

The kind of hateful rhetoric that Fuentes spouts has no place in the conservative party if we desire to win anymore elections. But maybe like Fuentes, you're just interested in burning it down. You've also yet to learn that your enemy's enemy is not necessarily your friend.



There is no conservative party any more. It was sold for a penny's worth of "pragmatism."

A happy medium would mean free and honest criticism of Israel, or any country, without prejudice for or against any race or religion. There's practically no tolerance for that, as I can attest.
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KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Fascist movements always end up scapegoating Jews. The new GOP will be no exception.

Bull****

Trump is loved by the Israeli people like no other president in US history.

He's loved by Nick Fuentes like no other president in US history, too.
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Tucker Carlson weighs in:

It's Time to Decide: America First or Lindsey Graham's Psychosexual Death Cult?

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It's not about silencing or platforming. Fuentes obviously has a platform for his views. The Tucker interview is about mainstreaming and legitimizing them.
Osodecentx
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Sam Lowry said:

It's not about silencing or platforming. Fuentes obviously has a platform for his views. The Tucker interview is about mainstreaming and legitimizing them.


Does anyone object?
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Osodecentx said:

Sam Lowry said:

It's not about silencing or platforming. Fuentes obviously has a platform for his views. The Tucker interview is about mainstreaming and legitimizing them.


Does anyone object?

Don't you?
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SL has become a Sad Liberal, not even a shadow of the man he used to be.

He's the Biden of this board now.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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Sam Lowry said:

Osodecentx said:

Sam Lowry said:

It's not about silencing or platforming. Fuentes obviously has a platform for his views. The Tucker interview is about mainstreaming and legitimizing them.


Does anyone object?

Don't you?


Of course. You?
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Osodecentx said:

Sam Lowry said:

Osodecentx said:

Sam Lowry said:

It's not about silencing or platforming. Fuentes obviously has a platform for his views. The Tucker interview is about mainstreaming and legitimizing them.


Does anyone object?

Don't you?


Of course. You?

100%.
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Osodecentx said:

Sam Lowry said:

It's not about silencing or platforming. Fuentes obviously has a platform for his views. The Tucker interview is about mainstreaming and legitimizing them.


Does anyone object?


Yes.

It is about silencing and deplatforming.

You are both dishonest.

The thing is, Tucker has too much support among American conservatives and a half dozen boomer leftists crying on this board arent going to deter any of his supporters.
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Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Fascist movements always end up scapegoating Jews. The new GOP will be no exception.

Bull****

Trump is loved by the Israeli people like no other president in US history.

He's loved by Nick Fuentes like no other president in US history, too.


Dumb

Trump has repeatedly proved his friendship to Israel and Jews throughout the world.

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KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Fascist movements always end up scapegoating Jews. The new GOP will be no exception.

Bull****

Trump is loved by the Israeli people like no other president in US history.

He's loved by Nick Fuentes like no other president in US history, too.


Dumb

Trump has repeatedly proved his friendship to Israel and Jews throughout the world.



As do all presidents. A friendship that is purely transactional.
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Sam Lowry said:

It's not about silencing or platforming. Fuentes obviously has a platform for his views. The Tucker interview is about mainstreaming and legitimizing them.


Tucker is off Fox News…he has his own podcast

Again, how could people de-platform him even if people wanted to do so?

Speak out against the ideas and views you don't like…but the ship has sailed tech wise on be able to shame people into going away.

You are going to have to win the argument for the people and the youth.

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Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Fascist movements always end up scapegoating Jews. The new GOP will be no exception.

Bull****

Trump is loved by the Israeli people like no other president in US history.

He's loved by Nick Fuentes like no other president in US history, too.


Dumb

Trump has repeatedly proved his friendship to Israel and Jews throughout the world.



As do all presidents. A friendship that is purely transactional.


Trump has Jewish friends, Jewish business associates and a Jewish son in law.

You have nada.

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KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Fascist movements always end up scapegoating Jews. The new GOP will be no exception.

Bull****

Trump is loved by the Israeli people like no other president in US history.

He's loved by Nick Fuentes like no other president in US history, too.


Dumb

Trump has repeatedly proved his friendship to Israel and Jews throughout the world.



As do all presidents. A friendship that is purely transactional.


Trump has Jewish friends, Jewish business associates and a Jewish son in law.

You have nada.




And Jewish grandkids

And massive approval ratings among actual religious Jews in America and Israelis

[A September 2024 poll by Nishma Research found that 93% of Haredi (ultra-Orthodox) Jews intend to vote for Trump]

Not to mention a new town in Israel named after him


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Redbrickbear said:

Sam Lowry said:

It's not about silencing or platforming. Fuentes obviously has a platform for his views. The Tucker interview is about mainstreaming and legitimizing them.


Tucker is off Fox News…he has his own podcast

Again, how could people de-platform him even if people wanted to do so?

Speak out against the ideas and views you don't like…but the ship has sailed tech wise on be able to shame people into going away.

You are going to have to win the argument for the people and the youth.



That's my point. It's not about de-platforming.

But Tucker is a person with influence, and he's evidently using it to promote Fuentes.
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Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Fascist movements always end up scapegoating Jews. The new GOP will be no exception.

Bull****

Trump is loved by the Israeli people like no other president in US history.

He's loved by Nick Fuentes like no other president in US history, too.


Dumb

Trump has repeatedly proved his friendship to Israel and Jews throughout the world.



As do all presidents. A friendship that is purely transactional.


Trump has Jewish friends, Jewish business associates and a Jewish son in law.

You have nada.




And Jewish grandkids

And massive approval ratings among actual religious Jews in America and Israelis

[A September 2024 poll by Nishma Research found that 93% of Haredi (ultra-Orthodox) Jews intend to vote for Trump]

Not to mention a new town in Israel named after him





Sam never allows facts to get in the way of his trolling.



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KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Fascist movements always end up scapegoating Jews. The new GOP will be no exception.

Bull****

Trump is loved by the Israeli people like no other president in US history.

He's loved by Nick Fuentes like no other president in US history, too.


Dumb

Trump has repeatedly proved his friendship to Israel and Jews throughout the world.



As do all presidents. A friendship that is purely transactional.


Trump has Jewish friends

So did Hitler. Humanity always trumps politics, until it doesn't.
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Sam Lowry said:

Redbrickbear said:

Sam Lowry said:

It's not about silencing or platforming. Fuentes obviously has a platform for his views. The Tucker interview is about mainstreaming and legitimizing them.


Tucker is off Fox News…he has his own podcast

Again, how could people de-platform him even if people wanted to do so?

Speak out against the ideas and views you don't like…but the ship has sailed tech wise on be able to shame people into going away.

You are going to have to win the argument for the people and the youth.



That's my point. It's not about de-platforming.

But Tucker is a person with influence, and he's evidently using it to promote a person like Fuentes.


He has no more influence than any podcaster with a decent audience (he gets about 1 million views each episode)

If you don't like a particular view he has then by all means speak out and explain to people when he is wrongs

I personally have seen him get far to comfortable downplaying Putin's thuggish behavior, lack of economic development in Russia, massive corruption at home, and growing discontent among the young for his rule…

But let's take Joe Rogan… he is in another stratosphere…and still some of the same voices on the Left attack Joe and act like liberals such on Jon Stewart should not even dare go on his show to talk to him.

Same accusations of "platforming dangerous views"…it's weasel censorship words

[Joe Rogan's podcast, The Joe Rogan Experience, has massive viewership, with its 2018 episode featuring Elon Musk being the most-watched single episode on YouTube, exceeding 69 million views. The podcast has a large following across platforms, including 16.4 million YouTube subscribers and 14.5 million followers on Spotify. The show also had 51.5 million downloads and plays in February 2025 alone]
Oldbear83
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KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Fascist movements always end up scapegoating Jews. The new GOP will be no exception.

Bull****

Trump is loved by the Israeli people like no other president in US history.

He's loved by Nick Fuentes like no other president in US history, too.


Dumb

Trump has repeatedly proved his friendship to Israel and Jews throughout the world.



As do all presidents. A friendship that is purely transactional.


Trump has Jewish friends, Jewish business associates and a Jewish son in law.

You have nada.



I will concede that Sam has a tremendous amount of chutzpah
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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Redbrickbear said:

Sam Lowry said:

It's not about silencing or platforming. Fuentes obviously has a platform for his views. The Tucker interview is about mainstreaming and legitimizing them.


Tucker is off Fox News…he has his own podcast

Again, how could people de-platform him even if people wanted to do so?

Speak out against the ideas and views you don't like…but the ship has sailed tech wise on be able to shame people into going away.

You are going to have to win the argument for the people and the youth.




Elon buying out Twitter literally added years back to America's lifespan.

In the past the Zionists or Leftists could pretty easily pressure Youtube, Twitter, and IG to deplatform American conservatives and use their influence inside VISA, Mastercard, and Amex to remove your ability to use credit processors.

Its hard to do that to a guy like Tucker because he has so many grassroots supporters but also plenty of establishment supporters as well.

Part of the mystique of Nick Fuentes is that he was the first non-mainstream influencer to survive being deplatformed and blacklisted. The advent of bitcoin/crypto removed the biggest weapon the cancel pigs have, which is their ability to bully credit processors. Part of the urban legend around NF is that some fan of his who was an early adopter of bitcoin transferred his entire wallet to NF... he probably used it to buy his way onto Rumble.

All this to say I agree with you. Tech wise its become much harder to silence people you dont like...

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Redbrickbear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Redbrickbear said:

Sam Lowry said:

It's not about silencing or platforming. Fuentes obviously has a platform for his views. The Tucker interview is about mainstreaming and legitimizing them.


Tucker is off Fox News…he has his own podcast

Again, how could people de-platform him even if people wanted to do so?

Speak out against the ideas and views you don't like…but the ship has sailed tech wise on be able to shame people into going away.

You are going to have to win the argument for the people and the youth.



That's my point. It's not about de-platforming.

But Tucker is a person with influence, and he's evidently using it to promote a person like Fuentes.


He has no more influence than any podcaster with a decent audience (he gets about 1 million views each episode)

If you don't like a particular view he has then by all means speak out and explain to people when he is wrongs

I personally have seen him get far to comfortable downplaying Putin's thuggish behavior, lack of economic development in Russia, massive corruption at home, and growing discontent among the young for his rule…

But let's take Joe Rogan… he is in another stratosphere…and still some of the same voices on the Left attack Joe and act like liberals such on Jon Stewart should not even dare go on his show to talk to him.

Same accusations of "platforming dangerous views"…it's weasel censorship words

[Joe Rogan's podcast, The Joe Rogan Experience, has massive viewership, with its 2018 episode featuring Elon Musk being the most-watched single episode on YouTube, exceeding 69 million views. The podcast has a large following across platforms, including 16.4 million YouTube subscribers and 14.5 million followers on Spotify. The show also had 51.5 million downloads and plays in February 2025 alone]

It's not all about views. Tucker has a certain pedigree that Joe Rogan lacks.
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Oldbear83 said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Fascist movements always end up scapegoating Jews. The new GOP will be no exception.

Bull****

Trump is loved by the Israeli people like no other president in US history.

He's loved by Nick Fuentes like no other president in US history, too.


Dumb

Trump has repeatedly proved his friendship to Israel and Jews throughout the world.



As do all presidents. A friendship that is purely transactional.


Trump has Jewish friends, Jewish business associates and a Jewish son in law.

You have nada.



I will concede that Sam has a tremendous amount of chutzpah


Everyone on the internet thinks they are a genius.

Till the bills come in.
 
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