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Jew hatred has been a scourge of the West for centuries. It is always lurking and always ready to raise its ugly head in any circumstances it deems it can use Jews as scapegoats. It will do so even when it must use pretzel logic to try and draw others into its sphere. Jew blamers have found their own echo chambers in every generation for far too many centuries.

Now here we are once again with more of the duped trying to dupe others... and acting like their thinking is something new and enlightened. These Western Jew blamers' hatred has stewed in obscurity since WW2. Now they believe they have an opening to exploit. Like flat-earthers, they have found a bully pulpit to pronounce their beliefs and disguise them (to others and to themselves) in the troubles of the day. These Jew blamers are actually part of a stinking and rotting skeleton that has been trying to resurrect from a pit.

Never forget. Disagreeing with a Jew is one thing. Making Jews out to be the scourge of the earth is quite another. Don't be taken in by a tale almost as old as time.

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Ever notice how the people who take this line never want to distinguish between people who practice Judaism, Semites people and the National Government of Israel? "Jew" is their fall back term, followed by "anti-semitic" in a dying effort to portray disagreements about foreign policy, domestic policy, and religion as "racisssssssss". They are intentionally imprecise in their language, and frankly engage in the same tactics that the NAACP and BLM have.

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Great, so post for all to see that you have no problem whatsoever with Jews, and you're only problem is with wat you think is Israel's oversized influence here.

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I've been extremely clear. I continue to be extremely clear.

(1) I have no issue with people of *any* ethnic background, including Semites.

(2) As of 2025 A.D., Judaism is a false pagan religion on par with Islam. I do not believe in it. Christian Zionism is a heresy. Semitic practioners of Judaism - or for that matter Ethophian practicioners of Judaism (different race, same religion in case that wasn't obvious to the public school crowd) - in the modern age are cleaving to a Mosaic covenant that has been made obsolete and thereby excluding themselves from the Abrahamic one (Galatians 5:2).

(3) I do not want *any* foreign government bribing our politicians.

This is why Christian Zionists are losing the argument. In contrast to the extremely precise, clear positions stated above they only respond with "jew hater!", "anti-semite!"

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Fair.

But I submit most with your views are just as imprecise as the other side. Many of the more prominent influencers do not differentiate between their beliefs on Israel and Jews. In fact, many use quite vulgar language against Jews.

FWIW, my support for Israel has never been about the Bible or my Christian faith. Rather, it's always been about Israel being an ally democracy in the middle of hell, a strategic partner, and mostly on the "right" side.

However, I very much understand my fellow Christians who do base their support on their Biblical view. And I do not agree with your view that the Jews of the Bible are not today's Jews.

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Indeed. Like a lot of his views, there is nothing biblical about replacement theology.

But he lacks the scriptural knowledge to debate anyone on those topics.

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Billy Graham- “This stranglehold the Jews have on the banks and the Media has got to be broken or this country is going to go down the drain. “

Richard Nixon- “I could never say it, but I believe it.”

pic.twitter.com/rmkYWoyhTO

— Uncommon Sense (@Uncommonsince76) December 18, 2024

Would you say that you agree or disagree with what Billy Graham has to say here on these Nixon tapes?

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Did you catch the part in the beginning where Graham is essentially arguing Jews are still God's chosen people? Found that interesting.

As for his idea that Jews run the banks and what not, know, don't agree with that. It's factually just not a true statement. As for the synagogue of Satan, indeed that is a group of unbelieving Jews who were persecuting Christians in the latter days of Revelation.

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The banks thing is true and obvious. The Rothschilds ran the banking of all of Europe and that what led Hitler to kidnap one of them at the time to make him scrub floors.

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Well, I guess Billy's thoughts that the Jews are still a chosen people is probably a difficult pill for you to swallow.

But what did you think that clip proves, other than your antisemitism?

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I just thought that it was good for discussion and pertinent. I honestly was looking for your take on it. The fact that you think talking about things is antisemtic is pretty strange but on brand for you.

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So, you posted that commentary after I said there's nothing biblical about replacement theology. I am simply curious as to your timing. If it's truly a discussion you are looking for, let's do it. I have questions:

1) Do you agree with Billy that the Jews remain a chosen people? Or do you believe in the unbiblical position that Christians have replaced them in that regard?

2) Do you believe a Jewish cabal runs much of the world? Obviously, you think they run banking, but what else do you think they run?

3) Do you have animosity toward the Jews because the Pharisees called for Jesus's death? Do you blame all Jews for that to this day?

This would be a good starting point for our discussion. Thanks.

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Nick Fuentes on the America First message and presents an ultimatum 🇺🇸

“If you disavow Tucker you will not get the votes, if you disavow Israel like Thomas Massie we will show up for you” pic.twitter.com/ncTPBqrd4N

— Charging… (@RedPillSayian) November 18, 2025

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Hate and identity politics have destroyed the Dems. I pray we don't let that happen on our side, because of a small, hateful but vocal minority, like this scumbag.

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Nick Fuentes gloats about Trump refusing to disavow him

"Maybe if I attack him for 3 years like Vance I'll be the Vice President" 😂 pic.twitter.com/ScsXRJaUpB

— 𝐆𝐫𝐢𝐦𝐚𝐥𝐝𝐮𝐬 (@ImperiumFirst) November 18, 2025

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Sadly, he actually has a point about Vance.

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How does abandoning the best ally we have

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When you start from the wrong premise, you reach the wrong conclusions.

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My point exactly. None of the Israel critics have even attempted to explain how we would be better off without Israel as an ally.

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https://www.hks.harvard.edu/publications/israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy

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Trump's progress in the Middle East, our strong relations with the Saudis, Jordan, Qatar, and others, and the middle east turning on Iran proved Mearsheimer embarrassingly wrong. If he had morals, he would issue a retraction to his own book . . . .

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The problems he describes have only gotten worse since then. The US-supported genocide in Gaza and attacks on Qatar, Iran, etc. are fast convincing Middle Eastern countries that the Western empire can't be trusted.

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If anything, the attacks have actually strengthened our relations with the ME in general, most of whom loathe the countries in question.

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That's funny.

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I suspect it is funny to someone who has his head as far up his ass as you.

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I was referencing the argument that the Jews being God's chosen people are not the Jews of today.

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To be precise, are you saying that Semites are still Gods chosen people, or practicioners of Judaism are still God's chosen people? Or both? Or Neither?

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Ethnic Jews are still God's chosen people, and Israel was blessed by God. Those covenants will always remain.

As is the case with many other issues in the Bible, I do not know whether that applies to practitioners. My understanding is that many gentiles converted to Judaism (for different reason) and the Bible is unclear as to how God saw them.

I also do not know exactly what "God's chosen people means." For example, I do not believe that means Jews are automatically "saved." And I do not believe that gives Jews (or anyone else) free reign to act as they wish and/or to ignore God's commands, etc.

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Jew hatred has been a scourge of the West for centuries. It is always lurking and always ready to raise its ugly head in any circumstances it deems it can use Jews as scapegoats. It will do so even when it must use pretzel logic to try and draw others into its sphere. Jew blamers have found their own echo chambers in every generation for far too many centuries.

Now here we are once again with more of the duped trying to dupe others... and acting like their thinking is something new and enlightened. These Western Jew blamers' hatred has stewed in obscurity since WW2. Now they believe they have an opening to exploit. Like flat-earthers, they have found a bully pulpit to pronounce their beliefs and disguise them (to others and to themselves) in the troubles of the day. These Jew blamers are actually part of a stinking and rotting skeleton that has been trying to resurrect from a pit.

Never forget. Disagreeing with a Jew is one thing. Making Jews out to be the scourge of the earth is quite another. Don't be taken in by a tale almost as old as time.

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Ever notice how the people who take this line never want to distinguish between people who practice Judaism, Semites people and the National Government of Israel? "Jew" is their fall back term, followed by "anti-semitic" in a dying effort to portray disagreements about foreign policy, domestic policy, and religion as "racisssssssss". They are intentionally imprecise in their language, and frankly engage in the same tactics that the NAACP and BLM have.

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Great, so post for all to see that you have no problem whatsoever with Jews, and you're only problem is with wat you think is Israel's oversized influence here.

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I've been extremely clear. I continue to be extremely clear.

(1) I have no issue with people of *any* ethnic background, including Semites.

(2) As of 2025 A.D., Judaism is a false pagan religion on par with Islam. I do not believe in it. Christian Zionism is a heresy. Semitic practioners of Judaism - or for that matter Ethophian practicioners of Judaism (different race, same religion in case that wasn't obvious to the public school crowd) - in the modern age are cleaving to a Mosaic covenant that has been made obsolete and thereby excluding themselves from the Abrahamic one (Galatians 5:2).

(3) I do not want *any* foreign government bribing our politicians.

This is why Christian Zionists are losing the argument. In contrast to the extremely precise, clear positions stated above they only respond with "jew hater!", "anti-semite!"

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Fair.

But I submit most with your views are just as imprecise as the other side. Many of the more prominent influencers do not differentiate between their beliefs on Israel and Jews. In fact, many use quite vulgar language against Jews.

FWIW, my support for Israel has never been about the Bible or my Christian faith. Rather, it's always been about Israel being an ally democracy in the middle of hell, a strategic partner, and mostly on the "right" side.

However, I very much understand my fellow Christians who do base their support on their Biblical view. And I do not agree with your view that the Jews of the Bible are not today's Jews.

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Indeed. Like a lot of his views, there is nothing biblical about replacement theology.

But he lacks the scriptural knowledge to debate anyone on those topics.

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Billy Graham- “This stranglehold the Jews have on the banks and the Media has got to be broken or this country is going to go down the drain. “

Richard Nixon- “I could never say it, but I believe it.”

pic.twitter.com/rmkYWoyhTO

— Uncommon Sense (@Uncommonsince76) December 18, 2024

Would you say that you agree or disagree with what Billy Graham has to say here on these Nixon tapes?

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Did you catch the part in the beginning where Graham is essentially arguing Jews are still God's chosen people? Found that interesting.

As for his idea that Jews run the banks and what not, know, don't agree with that. It's factually just not a true statement. As for the synagogue of Satan, indeed that is a group of unbelieving Jews who were persecuting Christians in the latter days of Revelation.

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The banks thing is true and obvious. The Rothschilds ran the banking of all of Europe and that what led Hitler to kidnap one of them at the time to make him scrub floors.

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Well, I guess Billy's thoughts that the Jews are still a chosen people is probably a difficult pill for you to swallow.

But what did you think that clip proves, other than your antisemitism?

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I just thought that it was good for discussion and pertinent. I honestly was looking for your take on it. The fact that you think talking about things is antisemtic is pretty strange but on brand for you.

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So, you posted that commentary after I said there's nothing biblical about replacement theology. I am simply curious as to your timing. If it's truly a discussion you are looking for, let's do it. I have questions:

1) Do you agree with Billy that the Jews remain a chosen people? Or do you believe in the unbiblical position that Christians have replaced them in that regard?

2) Do you believe a Jewish cabal runs much of the world? Obviously, you think they run banking, but what else do you think they run?

3) Do you have animosity toward the Jews because the Pharisees called for Jesus's death? Do you blame all Jews for that to this day?

This would be a good starting point for our discussion. Thanks.

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1. I do believe that the Jews were chosen to recieve the messiah and they rejected him. Those who accepted Jeuss are Gods chosen. Go read Galatians 3:28-29. I dont know if there is some special carve out for the Jews in the end times.

2. They have a lot of powerful people in banking, both politcal parties via AIPAC, media, academia etc. As far as my reference to the Rothschilds that is an undisputed fact that they ran banking in Europe from the time of Napoleon to the modern era. IDK about some "cabal". I do see a lot of people on this board refer to the "globalists". Maybe that is the cabal your are referffing to. I dont think its strictly Jews in that group bc there are other atheists and secular humanists among them but I doubt there are any actual Christians in this globalist group.

3. I dont have animosity towards anyone in any particular group. I do not believe that Tikkun Olam is good for the world. I do not believe that western Chrisian nations need diversity from third worlders etc.

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I was referencing the argument that the Jews being God's chosen people are not the Jews of today.

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To be precise, are you saying that Semites are still Gods chosen people, or practicioners of Judaism are still God's chosen people? Or both? Or Neither?

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We've been over this. Paul is crystal clear in Romans that unbelieving Jewish descendants of Abraham retain their elect status as a nation before God (See Rom.9:3-5; 11:28-29) ("Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."). Paul, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that unbelieving Jews - those who were his most serious opposition, who are enemies concerning the gospel are nevertheless still 'elect' (chosen by God) and are to be beloved by Scripturally-informed Christians for the sake of the fathers, the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which form the root of the olive tree and by which Gentile wild olive branches find our salvation. Why? Because as Paul explains, the gifts and calling (of Israel) by God are irrevocable. Even in unbelief, Paul appears to be saying the Jewish people remain elect - chosen and called by God for His purposes in history. Notice too that this refers to national election, which differs from individual election (Rom.11:7) which is the sole means by which any person, regardless of ethnicity is saved.

Now, is he referring here to the Israeli govt? Likely not, and instead only to the Jewish descendants of Abraham. However, undoubtedly many of the Jews in present day Israel are indeed the modern day descendants of Abraham. And even if they are not, there is enough gray here that we should tread lightly.

[An American friend went shopping at Target with her kid for school supplies yesterday. She sent me this pic, with the comment, "Goodbye middle class. It's been fun". My jaw dropped: $26 for a packet of colored markers?! What the hell?! I keep saying here that every time I go back from Hungary to the US to visit, I'm shocked by the cost of living. But something about this just dropped my jaw. Colored markers!
Aaron Renn is always worth reading, but his latest Substack, a compilation of articles about how unaffordable life is becoming for most Americans, is a doozy. I sent it to my friend, who replied simply, "This. 1000x this."
In the piece, Renn quotes a Wall Street Journal piece (likely paywalled, but I subscribe, so I can share bits with you) detailing the penny-pinching strategies middle-class Americans are now undertaking. Excerpt:

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Saddled with ever-ballooning grocery bills, Julie Simpson decided to take matters into her own hands.
She started to dilute.
Simpson, a software marketer in Mississippi, added water to her Dawn dish liquid and her Clorox floor cleaner. She stopped buying aerosol glass cleaner and replaced it with a bottle of Windex so that she could add water to make the solution last longer. She even thought about diluting her treasured Sensodyne toothpaste, but drew the line there. She squeezes out every last bit instead.
Americans are increasingly experimenting with frugality. In addition to stretching household staples, some are shopping at less expensive grocers and buying pantry products on Facebook Marketplace. One consumer sought to save on beef by buying half a cow.
Consumer companies are getting hit by the frugality. As families like Simpson's get more creative in pinching their pennies, the companies are seeing dimmer sales compared with the steady growth they have enjoyed in recent years.

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While they may not realize it yet, many people in this category [middle class] are now being proletarianized. The two tier economy is putting the squeeze in people who may have once felt themselves safely above the median income, but who are now being subjected to downward lifestyle mobility.

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There are plenty of articles in Renn's compilation. As somebody who comes from a college football-mad SEC state, this one from the NYT hit hard:

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Three hours before kickoff, Ann Whitehead's Subaru Outback pulls into Lot 13 to continue a longstanding family tradition: attending Florida State football games.
What started in 1960 with Whitehead in the student section has grown into a three-generation congregation in the west stands at Doak Campbell Stadium. Through scorching heat and pounding rain, the Whiteheads had a 28th-row seat for the glory days of Bobby Bowden and the up-and-down tenure of Mike Norvell.
"We love to go," said Whitehead's daughter, Alyson Stone. "It's just, I don't know how much longer we'll be able to."
The costs have swelled out of control around sports, an industry of inherent leisure spending. What was once an affordable autumn excursion for a family of four has become a series of $1,000 (or more) weekends.
The situation isn't unique to the Whiteheads or Florida State. Florida Gators fan Rob Dotson, a former local alumni association president, got fed up with Gainesville hotels boosting prices while requiring two-night minimum stays; he called giving up his season tickets after 38 years the second-hardest thing he has ever done (after proposing to his wife).
When South Florida started its program in 1997, parking was $5. For this year's opener against Boise State, it was $32.25. A bottle of water costs $7.50. Suzanne Ward has been to every non-COVID-19 game in Bulls history and has already downgraded from eight tickets per game to four as monthly costs started feeling like another car payment. She worries about what will happen to prices when USF downsizes from the Buccaneers' Raymond James Stadium to a new 35,000-seat on-campus stadium in 2027.
"I don't want to get to the point where I have to say, 'Y'all have priced me out, I'm no longer a fan,'" Ward said.

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Similarly, Aaron links to this video talking about how the cost of going to NFL games has broken the capacity of some the the league's most loyal fans, Buffalo Bills supporters, to come out to support the team.
There's more read Renn's piece to see the evidence of the proletarization of the US middle class. He points out that all this is having and will continue to have big effects on American politics.
This is all part of the Weimarization of America. No, these harder economic times are not strongly comparable to the hyperinflation of the early Weimar era, which destroyed family savings all across Germany. But the comparison is not as far off as you might think. When a people experiences itself seriously losing ground economically, over a sustained period, it causes instability. I've written here many times about the non-economic aspects of American life that mirror the experience of Weimar Germany, in particular the collapse of trust in authorities, and the common condition of social atomization. Just last night I was reading in a cultural history of Weimar how that by the end of the 1920s, political polarization was affecting everyday life:
There were opportunities for political feuds everywhere, but there was little dialogue. People found themselves hiving off from each other in social situations, over politics, and even normal politics, as the horse-trading between parties in a democratic system, was becoming paralyzed:

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The fragile balance of power in the Reichstag held as long as things were looking economically rosy. But the mood was growing more irritable, the tone more vitriolic, and attempts to find common ground were abandoned. For far too many players in the Republic, the following applied: 'Principles were upheld and compromise scorned.'

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As you well know, I hate the Groyperization of conservative politics in the US. I am also alarmed by the Mamdanization that's on the way on the Left. But it's coming in part from miserable economic times. James Billot, writing in UnHerd, says that "Mamdani-Trump voters are America's future." He visits a Latin-dominated part of Queens that went hard for Trump in 2024, and also hard for Mamdani this year:

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In 2024, Trump won six election districts here (up from zero), and made double-digit percentage point gains in dozens of others nearby. It was the best performance of any Republican nominee in Gotham since 1988, fuelled by anger over rising grocery prices, the cost of living, and declining public safety. But within a year, voters turned away from the 79-year-old, two-term president and voted for the 34-year-old newcomer Mamdani instead.

"Trump brought too much chaos, man," says Ramon*, whom I met outside the Guatemalteca Deli on Roosevelt Avenue. "My bills are still high and my wife can't afford no groceries." A part-time car mechanic by day and cleaner at the new JP Morgan office by night, Ramon says that he voted for Trump in 2024 because he thought he'd bring down the price of gas and groceries, but "that ain't happened". "I don't know if Mamdani's going to make things better or worse," he said, "but we need something different from this."

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Again: Weimarization, as the political center weakens and loses ground to the extremes.] -Rod Dreher

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Jew hatred has been a scourge of the West for centuries. It is always lurking and always ready to raise its ugly head in any circumstances it deems it can use Jews as scapegoats. It will do so even when it must use pretzel logic to try and draw others into its sphere. Jew blamers have found their own echo chambers in every generation for far too many centuries.

Now here we are once again with more of the duped trying to dupe others... and acting like their thinking is something new and enlightened. These Western Jew blamers' hatred has stewed in obscurity since WW2. Now they believe they have an opening to exploit. Like flat-earthers, they have found a bully pulpit to pronounce their beliefs and disguise them (to others and to themselves) in the troubles of the day. These Jew blamers are actually part of a stinking and rotting skeleton that has been trying to resurrect from a pit.

Never forget. Disagreeing with a Jew is one thing. Making Jews out to be the scourge of the earth is quite another. Don't be taken in by a tale almost as old as time.

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Ever notice how the people who take this line never want to distinguish between people who practice Judaism, Semites people and the National Government of Israel? "Jew" is their fall back term, followed by "anti-semitic" in a dying effort to portray disagreements about foreign policy, domestic policy, and religion as "racisssssssss". They are intentionally imprecise in their language, and frankly engage in the same tactics that the NAACP and BLM have.

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Great, so post for all to see that you have no problem whatsoever with Jews, and you're only problem is with wat you think is Israel's oversized influence here.

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I've been extremely clear. I continue to be extremely clear.

(1) I have no issue with people of *any* ethnic background, including Semites.

(2) As of 2025 A.D., Judaism is a false pagan religion on par with Islam. I do not believe in it. Christian Zionism is a heresy. Semitic practioners of Judaism - or for that matter Ethophian practicioners of Judaism (different race, same religion in case that wasn't obvious to the public school crowd) - in the modern age are cleaving to a Mosaic covenant that has been made obsolete and thereby excluding themselves from the Abrahamic one (Galatians 5:2).

(3) I do not want *any* foreign government bribing our politicians.

This is why Christian Zionists are losing the argument. In contrast to the extremely precise, clear positions stated above they only respond with "jew hater!", "anti-semite!"

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Fair.

But I submit most with your views are just as imprecise as the other side. Many of the more prominent influencers do not differentiate between their beliefs on Israel and Jews. In fact, many use quite vulgar language against Jews.

FWIW, my support for Israel has never been about the Bible or my Christian faith. Rather, it's always been about Israel being an ally democracy in the middle of hell, a strategic partner, and mostly on the "right" side.

However, I very much understand my fellow Christians who do base their support on their Biblical view. And I do not agree with your view that the Jews of the Bible are not today's Jews.

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Indeed. Like a lot of his views, there is nothing biblical about replacement theology.

But he lacks the scriptural knowledge to debate anyone on those topics.

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Billy Graham- “This stranglehold the Jews have on the banks and the Media has got to be broken or this country is going to go down the drain. “

Richard Nixon- “I could never say it, but I believe it.”

pic.twitter.com/rmkYWoyhTO

— Uncommon Sense (@Uncommonsince76) December 18, 2024

Would you say that you agree or disagree with what Billy Graham has to say here on these Nixon tapes?

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Did you catch the part in the beginning where Graham is essentially arguing Jews are still God's chosen people? Found that interesting.

As for his idea that Jews run the banks and what not, know, don't agree with that. It's factually just not a true statement. As for the synagogue of Satan, indeed that is a group of unbelieving Jews who were persecuting Christians in the latter days of Revelation.

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The banks thing is true and obvious. The Rothschilds ran the banking of all of Europe and that what led Hitler to kidnap one of them at the time to make him scrub floors.

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Well, I guess Billy's thoughts that the Jews are still a chosen people is probably a difficult pill for you to swallow.

But what did you think that clip proves, other than your antisemitism?

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I just thought that it was good for discussion and pertinent. I honestly was looking for your take on it. The fact that you think talking about things is antisemtic is pretty strange but on brand for you.

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So, you posted that commentary after I said there's nothing biblical about replacement theology. I am simply curious as to your timing. If it's truly a discussion you are looking for, let's do it. I have questions:

1) Do you agree with Billy that the Jews remain a chosen people? Or do you believe in the unbiblical position that Christians have replaced them in that regard?

2) Do you believe a Jewish cabal runs much of the world? Obviously, you think they run banking, but what else do you think they run?

3) Do you have animosity toward the Jews because the Pharisees called for Jesus's death? Do you blame all Jews for that to this day?

This would be a good starting point for our discussion. Thanks.

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1. I do believe that the Jews were chosen to recieve the messiah and they rejected him. Those who accepted Jeuss are Gods chosen. Go read Galatians 3:28-29. I dont know if there is some special carve out for the Jews in the end times.

2. They have a lot of powerful people in banking, both politcal parties via AIPAC, media, academia etc. As far as my reference to the Rothschilds that is an undisputed fact that they ran banking in Europe from the time of Napoleon to the modern era. IDK about some "cabal". I do see a lot of people on this board refer to the "globalists". Maybe that is the cabal your are referffing to. I dont think its strictly Jews in that group bc there are other atheists and secular humanists among them but I doubt there are any actual Christians in this globalist group.

3. I dont have animosity towards anyone in any particular group. I do not believe that Tikkun Olam is good for the world. I do not believe that western Chrisian nations need diversity from third worlders etc.

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1. This is where you are in error, scripturally, as your position ignores the plain language of scripture. To quote what I said in my post above, Paul is clear in Romans that unbelieving Jewish descendants of Abraham retain their elect status as a nation before God (See Rom.9:3-5; 11:28-29) ("Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."). Paul, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that unbelieving Jews - those who were his most serious opposition, who are enemies concerning the gospel are nevertheless still 'elect' (chosen by God) and are to be beloved by Scripturally-informed Christians for the sake of the fathers, the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which form the root of the olive tree and by which Gentile wild olive branches find our salvation. Why? Because as Paul explains, the gifts and calling (of Israel) by God are irrevocable. Even in unbelief, Paul appears to be saying the Jewish people remain elect - chosen and called by God for His purposes in history. Notice too that this refers to national election, which differs from individual election (Rom.11:7) which is the sole means by which any person, regardless of ethnicity is saved.

Replacement theology is bad theology, because it is not biblically sound. I would submit you need to re-think your position on this one.

2. The question is, who is "they"? To make the same distinction as (false) reality, is it ethnic Jews who have their hand in all things? Or Israel as a nation? Or those who practice Judaism? I think you need to be very careful in throwing around terms like "they," which is called stereotyping. As a white man, should I be lumped in with the Nick Fuentes's of the world? Am I responsible for his neo-nazi beliefs because I have the same heritage or ethnicity? Of course not.

3. Glad to hear you don't have animosity toward or blame the Jews for Christ's death. Your position on that diverges from reality.

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Ethnic Jews are still God's chosen people, and Israel was blessed by God. Those covenants will always remain.

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What is an "ethnic Jew"...A Semite who practices Judaism? Is an African who practices Judaism in Ethopia an "ethnic Jew"?

Semites are a race. Judaism is a religion. You need to be more specific. The search for truth is aided by precision in language.

Mothra's position on this is clear. In contradiction to Galatians 5:2 and Hebrews 8:13, he believes that the Mosaic covenant still has some sort of efficacy for those who reject Christ and continue to practice it. He refuses to understand that post resurrection, those who cleave to the Mosaic covenant are deliberately excluding themselves from the Abrahamic one.

Mine is as well. Anyone on earth, Semite or not, has equal access to God through Christ. Those who reject Christ are lost, regardless of whatever other labels or history they claim.

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sombear said:

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Ethnic Jews are still God's chosen people, and Israel was blessed by God. Those covenants will always remain.

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What is an "ethnic Jew"...A Semite who practices Judaism? Is an African who practices Judaism in Ethopia an "ethnic Jew"?

Semites are a race. Judaism is a religion. You need to be more specific. The search for truth is aided by precision in language.

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What group of people do you believe the Abrahamic covenant applied to?

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Realitybites said:

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sombear said:

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Ethnic Jews are still God's chosen people, and Israel was blessed by God. Those covenants will always remain.

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What is an "ethnic Jew"...A Semite who practices Judaism? Is an African who practices Judaism in Ethopia an "ethnic Jew"?

Semites are a race. Judaism is a religion. You need to be more specific. The search for truth is aided by precision in language.

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What group of people do you believe the Abrahamic covenant applied to?

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His semitic descendants. If you want to be really specific, his semitic descendants through Sarah, Isaac, and Jacob. Followers of God through the priesthood of Melchizedek, the same covenant all people who believe in Christ are grafted into.

You understand that Jacob lived 500 years before the founding of Judaism through the conditional Mosaic covenant that the nation of Israel claims, right?

That none of the people we commonly identify as "Jewish" in the early Old Testament actually practiced Judaism?

These facts are a simple matter of history and chronology.

Some folks work real hard to deny Abraham and his progeny had the blood that became Israel.

But somehow they are not antisemitic.

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Some folks work real hard to deny Abraham and his progeny had the blood that became Israel.

But somehow they are not antisemitic.

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...and some people are quick to slander Christ by trying to find a loophole for a specific group of people who practice a religion that rejects Him.

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sombear said:

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Ethnic Jews are still God's chosen people, and Israel was blessed by God. Those covenants will always remain.

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Mothra's position on this is clear. In contradiction to Galatians 5:2 and Hebrews 8:13, he believes that the Mosaic covenant still has some sort of efficacy for those who reject Christ and continue to practice it. He refuses to understand that post resurrection, those who cleave to the Mosaic covenant are deliberately excluding themselves from the Abrahamic one.

Mine is as well. Anyone on earth, Semite or not, has equal access to God through Christ. Those who reject Christ are lost, regardless of whatever other labels or history they claim.

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Galatians 5:2 is not a rejection of the Abrahamic covenant itself but a refutation of the idea that the covenant's physical sign of circumcision is required for salvation. The passage argues that believing in Christ's finished work is the sole means of salvation (which, it is), and therefore, attempting to fulfill the law through physical practices like circumcision bypasses and nullifies Christ's sacrifice. That is not what I, nor anyone else has suggested. In fact, if you will review my post above, I make clear that Christ is the sole means of salvation for both Gentile and Jew. Indeed, some in the Galatian church argued that circumcision was necessary, and Paul is addressing that in this verse.

As for Hebrews 8:13, it declares the Mosaic Covenant almost obsolete because it is replaced by a new covenant through Jesus, not because the Abrahamic covenant is being annulled. The writer of Hebrews argues that the old covenant was inadequate, making way for a "new" covenant where God's law is internalized, and sins are truly forgiven. The Abrahamic covenant, which promised a great nation and blessings to all nations, is not replaced but is fulfilled and perfected by this new covenant.

The idea that either of these verses supports the idea that the Abrahamic covenant has been nullified as it applies to descendants of Abraham is simply not supported by any reputable theologian, and quite frankly absurd. Moreover, it is also in direct contradiction to Paul's writings in Romans, wherein he makes crystal clear that even unbelieving Jews, who are enemies of the Gospel, "are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."

You subscribe to bad and unsupported theology.

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Mothra said:

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Realitybites said:

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sombear said:

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Ethnic Jews are still God's chosen people, and Israel was blessed by God. Those covenants will always remain.

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What is an "ethnic Jew"...A Semite who practices Judaism? Is an African who practices Judaism in Ethopia an "ethnic Jew"?

Semites are a race. Judaism is a religion. You need to be more specific. The search for truth is aided by precision in language.

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What group of people do you believe the Abrahamic covenant applied to?

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His semitic descendants. If you want to be really specific, his semitic descendants through Sarah, Isaac, and Jacob. Followers of God through the priesthood of Melchizedek, the same covenant all people who believe in Christ are grafted into.

You understand that Jacob lived 500 years before the founding of Judaism through the conditional Mosaic covenant that the nation of Israel claims, right?

That none of the people we commonly identify as "Jewish" in the early Old Testament actually practiced Judaism?

These facts are a simple matter of history and chronology.

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So who are those people today? Please identify them.

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Some folks work real hard to deny Abraham and his progeny had the blood that became Israel.

But somehow they are not antisemitic.

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...and some people are quick to slander Christ by trying to find a loophole for a specific group of people who practice a religion that rejects Him.

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Once again, you seem to subscribe to the erroneous position that those who believe that the Abrahamic covenant is still applicable likewise believe that non-believing Jews will be saved despite their rejection of Christ, when nobody has said or suggested anything of the sort.

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Some folks work real hard to deny Abraham and his progeny had the blood that became Israel.

But somehow they are not antisemitic.

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...and some people are quick to slander Christ by trying to find a loophole for a specific group of people who practice a religion that rejects Him.

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Our Lord practiced Judaism, or did you not know that?

And the leading Jews rejected Christ because of Satan's influence, but not all. Indeed we know from the Gospels that many people wanted to hear Christ, and no one here knows the ultimate outcome of their decisions.

I would simply observe that Christianity was originally founded completely of Jews who accepted Jesus as the Christ. Insulting Jews is therefore a dangerous and ill-considered practice, as is presuming you personally understand everyone's heart as well as the Father.

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I was referencing the argument that the Jews being God's chosen people are not the Jews of today.

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To be precise, are you saying that Semites are still Gods chosen people, or practicioners of Judaism are still God's chosen people? Or both? Or Neither?

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We've been over this. Paul is crystal clear in Romans that unbelieving Jewish descendants of Abraham retain their elect status as a nation before God (See Rom.9:3-5; 11:28-29) ("Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."). Paul, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that unbelieving Jews - those who were his most serious opposition, who are enemies concerning the gospel are nevertheless still 'elect' (chosen by God) and are to be beloved by Scripturally-informed Christians for the sake of the fathers, the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which form the root of the olive tree and by which Gentile wild olive branches find our salvation. Why? Because as Paul explains, the gifts and calling (of Israel) by God are irrevocable. Even in unbelief, Paul appears to be saying the Jewish people remain elect - chosen and called by God for His purposes in history. Notice too that this refers to national election, which differs from individual election (Rom.11:7) which is the sole means by which any person, regardless of ethnicity is saved.

Now, is he referring here to the Israeli govt? Likely not, and instead only to the Jewish descendants of Abraham. However, undoubtedly many of the Jews in present day Israel are indeed the modern day descendants of Abraham. And even if they are not, there is enough gray here that we should tread lightly.


The fact that actually believe this nonsense explains your slavish devotion and worship of Jews.... you are a literal mad man.

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Mothra said:

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Realitybites said:

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I was referencing the argument that the Jews being God's chosen people are not the Jews of today.

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To be precise, are you saying that Semites are still Gods chosen people, or practicioners of Judaism are still God's chosen people? Or both? Or Neither?

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We've been over this. Paul is crystal clear in Romans that unbelieving Jewish descendants of Abraham retain their elect status as a nation before God (See Rom.9:3-5; 11:28-29) ("Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."). Paul, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that unbelieving Jews - those who were his most serious opposition, who are enemies concerning the gospel are nevertheless still 'elect' (chosen by God) and are to be beloved by Scripturally-informed Christians for the sake of the fathers, the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which form the root of the olive tree and by which Gentile wild olive branches find our salvation. Why? Because as Paul explains, the gifts and calling (of Israel) by God are irrevocable. Even in unbelief, Paul appears to be saying the Jewish people remain elect - chosen and called by God for His purposes in history. Notice too that this refers to national election, which differs from individual election (Rom.11:7) which is the sole means by which any person, regardless of ethnicity is saved.

Now, is he referring here to the Israeli govt? Likely not, and instead only to the Jewish descendants of Abraham. However, undoubtedly many of the Jews in present day Israel are indeed the modern day descendants of Abraham. And even if they are not, there is enough gray here that we should tread lightly.


The fact that actually believe this nonsense explains your slavish devotion and worship of Jews.... you are a literal mad man.

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Don't see anyone worshipping Jews, but I do see someone obsessed with disliking them

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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Realitybites said:

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sombear said:

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Realitybites said:

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I was referencing the argument that the Jews being God's chosen people are not the Jews of today.

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To be precise, are you saying that Semites are still Gods chosen people, or practicioners of Judaism are still God's chosen people? Or both? Or Neither?

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We've been over this. Paul is crystal clear in Romans that unbelieving Jewish descendants of Abraham retain their elect status as a nation before God (See Rom.9:3-5; 11:28-29) ("Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."). Paul, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that unbelieving Jews - those who were his most serious opposition, who are enemies concerning the gospel are nevertheless still 'elect' (chosen by God) and are to be beloved by Scripturally-informed Christians for the sake of the fathers, the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which form the root of the olive tree and by which Gentile wild olive branches find our salvation. Why? Because as Paul explains, the gifts and calling (of Israel) by God are irrevocable. Even in unbelief, Paul appears to be saying the Jewish people remain elect - chosen and called by God for His purposes in history. Notice too that this refers to national election, which differs from individual election (Rom.11:7) which is the sole means by which any person, regardless of ethnicity is saved.

Now, is he referring here to the Israeli govt? Likely not, and instead only to the Jewish descendants of Abraham. However, undoubtedly many of the Jews in present day Israel are indeed the modern day descendants of Abraham. And even if they are not, there is enough gray here that we should tread lightly.


The fact that actually believe this nonsense explains your slavish devotion and worship of Jews.... you are a literal mad man.

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Don't see anyone worshipping Jews, but I do see someone obsessed with disliking them

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This came up on my feed today... add this to the long list of disreputable, morally bankrupt Jewish scams being perpetuated on well meaning people of modest means just trying to help others in their communities.

The_barBEARian said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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Realitybites said:

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sombear said:

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Realitybites said:

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I was referencing the argument that the Jews being God's chosen people are not the Jews of today.

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To be precise, are you saying that Semites are still Gods chosen people, or practicioners of Judaism are still God's chosen people? Or both? Or Neither?

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We've been over this. Paul is crystal clear in Romans that unbelieving Jewish descendants of Abraham retain their elect status as a nation before God (See Rom.9:3-5; 11:28-29) ("Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."). Paul, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that unbelieving Jews - those who were his most serious opposition, who are enemies concerning the gospel are nevertheless still 'elect' (chosen by God) and are to be beloved by Scripturally-informed Christians for the sake of the fathers, the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which form the root of the olive tree and by which Gentile wild olive branches find our salvation. Why? Because as Paul explains, the gifts and calling (of Israel) by God are irrevocable. Even in unbelief, Paul appears to be saying the Jewish people remain elect - chosen and called by God for His purposes in history. Notice too that this refers to national election, which differs from individual election (Rom.11:7) which is the sole means by which any person, regardless of ethnicity is saved.

Now, is he referring here to the Israeli govt? Likely not, and instead only to the Jewish descendants of Abraham. However, undoubtedly many of the Jews in present day Israel are indeed the modern day descendants of Abraham. And even if they are not, there is enough gray here that we should tread lightly.


The fact that actually believe this nonsense explains your slavish devotion and worship of Jews.... you are a literal mad man.

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Don't see anyone worshipping Jews, but I do see someone obsessed with disliking them

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This came up on my feed today... add this to the long list of disreputable, morally bankrupt Jewish scams being perpetuated on well meaning people of modest means just trying to help others in their communities.

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Well, if its on Youtube, it must be true, right?

Bruisers Burner Phone said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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Realitybites said:

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sombear said:

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Realitybites said:

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I was referencing the argument that the Jews being God's chosen people are not the Jews of today.

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To be precise, are you saying that Semites are still Gods chosen people, or practicioners of Judaism are still God's chosen people? Or both? Or Neither?

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We've been over this. Paul is crystal clear in Romans that unbelieving Jewish descendants of Abraham retain their elect status as a nation before God (See Rom.9:3-5; 11:28-29) ("Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."). Paul, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that unbelieving Jews - those who were his most serious opposition, who are enemies concerning the gospel are nevertheless still 'elect' (chosen by God) and are to be beloved by Scripturally-informed Christians for the sake of the fathers, the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which form the root of the olive tree and by which Gentile wild olive branches find our salvation. Why? Because as Paul explains, the gifts and calling (of Israel) by God are irrevocable. Even in unbelief, Paul appears to be saying the Jewish people remain elect - chosen and called by God for His purposes in history. Notice too that this refers to national election, which differs from individual election (Rom.11:7) which is the sole means by which any person, regardless of ethnicity is saved.

Now, is he referring here to the Israeli govt? Likely not, and instead only to the Jewish descendants of Abraham. However, undoubtedly many of the Jews in present day Israel are indeed the modern day descendants of Abraham. And even if they are not, there is enough gray here that we should tread lightly.


The fact that actually believe this nonsense explains your slavish devotion and worship of Jews.... you are a literal mad man.

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Don't see anyone worshipping Jews, but I do see someone obsessed with disliking them

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This came up on my feed today... add this to the long list of disreputable, morally bankrupt Jewish scams being perpetuated on well meaning people of modest means just trying to help others in their communities.

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Well, if its on Youtube, it must be true, right?

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It is true. I saw that video earlier while on my lunch break and its from Mark Dice who's a conservative MAGA youtuber. It seems that Ben was advertising for the Cars for Kids to help those less fortunate but it turns out all the money just paid for camps for Orthodox Jewish kids rather than needs kids of all kinds. Seems like a lie by omission at best and if that is what is so near and dear to Bens heart then why doesnt he personally give money to that cause?

Realitybites said:

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sombear said:

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Ethnic Jews are still God's chosen people, and Israel was blessed by God. Those covenants will always remain.

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What is an "ethnic Jew"...A Semite who practices Judaism? Is an African who practices Judaism in Ethopia an "ethnic Jew"?

Semites are a race. Judaism is a religion. You need to be more specific. The search for truth is aided by precision in language.

Mothra's position on this is clear. In contradiction to Galatians 5:2 and Hebrews 8:13, he believes that the Mosaic covenant still has some sort of efficacy for those who reject Christ and continue to practice it. He refuses to understand that post resurrection, those who cleave to the Mosaic covenant are deliberately excluding themselves from the Abrahamic one.

Mine is as well. Anyone on earth, Semite or not, has equal access to God through Christ. Those who reject Christ are lost, regardless of whatever other labels or history they claim.

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Again, I don't claim to know every kind of modern day Jew the covenant applies to. And I understand there have long been debates on how to characterize Jews. We all know Hitler called Jews an inferior race.

I do not consider Jews a race. I consider Jews an ethnicity: Descendants of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Israel, Judah, etc. It's bloodline, but in many cases, also religion, culture, language, etc. Of course, over time, much changed as Jews (and many others) spread out.

The_barBEARian said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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Realitybites said:

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sombear said:

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Realitybites said:

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I was referencing the argument that the Jews being God's chosen people are not the Jews of today.

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To be precise, are you saying that Semites are still Gods chosen people, or practicioners of Judaism are still God's chosen people? Or both? Or Neither?

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We've been over this. Paul is crystal clear in Romans that unbelieving Jewish descendants of Abraham retain their elect status as a nation before God (See Rom.9:3-5; 11:28-29) ("Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."). Paul, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that unbelieving Jews - those who were his most serious opposition, who are enemies concerning the gospel are nevertheless still 'elect' (chosen by God) and are to be beloved by Scripturally-informed Christians for the sake of the fathers, the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which form the root of the olive tree and by which Gentile wild olive branches find our salvation. Why? Because as Paul explains, the gifts and calling (of Israel) by God are irrevocable. Even in unbelief, Paul appears to be saying the Jewish people remain elect - chosen and called by God for His purposes in history. Notice too that this refers to national election, which differs from individual election (Rom.11:7) which is the sole means by which any person, regardless of ethnicity is saved.

Now, is he referring here to the Israeli govt? Likely not, and instead only to the Jewish descendants of Abraham. However, undoubtedly many of the Jews in present day Israel are indeed the modern day descendants of Abraham. And even if they are not, there is enough gray here that we should tread lightly.


The fact that actually believe this nonsense explains your slavish devotion and worship of Jews.... you are a literal mad man.

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Don't see anyone worshipping Jews, but I do see someone obsessed with disliking them

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This came up on my feed today... add this to the long list of disreputable, morally bankrupt Jewish scams being perpetuated on well meaning people of modest means just trying to help others in their communities.

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Did I miss someone worshipping Ben Shapiro? Or is this just another something to feed your hatred for Jews?
What else did Ben do to chap your hide and make him representative of all Jews?
Are you really out to help people, or are you just poised to attack a certain segment of people anytime something negative comes up?
Have you verified the veracity of the video, or are you just part of spreading gossip?

While the video can cite 2017 court cases, the charity still has major corporate sponsors in Microsoft, HP, Merk, and others. Personally I wouldn't donate my car, but there are plenty of people who apparently believe they are legit. Even if they aren't, Ben's ad for them is hardly an oddity. Ben may or may not have known of their troubles in 2017 just like so many others.

Now if you are looking for something to hang on Ben, then you have a little something to spout as a hater. Just like a politician.

The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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Realitybites said:

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sombear said:

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Realitybites said:

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I was referencing the argument that the Jews being God's chosen people are not the Jews of today.

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To be precise, are you saying that Semites are still Gods chosen people, or practicioners of Judaism are still God's chosen people? Or both? Or Neither?

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We've been over this. Paul is crystal clear in Romans that unbelieving Jewish descendants of Abraham retain their elect status as a nation before God (See Rom.9:3-5; 11:28-29) ("Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."). Paul, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that unbelieving Jews - those who were his most serious opposition, who are enemies concerning the gospel are nevertheless still 'elect' (chosen by God) and are to be beloved by Scripturally-informed Christians for the sake of the fathers, the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which form the root of the olive tree and by which Gentile wild olive branches find our salvation. Why? Because as Paul explains, the gifts and calling (of Israel) by God are irrevocable. Even in unbelief, Paul appears to be saying the Jewish people remain elect - chosen and called by God for His purposes in history. Notice too that this refers to national election, which differs from individual election (Rom.11:7) which is the sole means by which any person, regardless of ethnicity is saved.

Now, is he referring here to the Israeli govt? Likely not, and instead only to the Jewish descendants of Abraham. However, undoubtedly many of the Jews in present day Israel are indeed the modern day descendants of Abraham. And even if they are not, there is enough gray here that we should tread lightly.


The fact that actually believe this nonsense explains your slavish devotion and worship of Jews.... you are a literal mad man.

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You don't even claim to be a Christ follower. Your words are meaningless. You're simply full of hate.

Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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Realitybites said:

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sombear said:

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Realitybites said:

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I was referencing the argument that the Jews being God's chosen people are not the Jews of today.

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To be precise, are you saying that Semites are still Gods chosen people, or practicioners of Judaism are still God's chosen people? Or both? Or Neither?

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We've been over this. Paul is crystal clear in Romans that unbelieving Jewish descendants of Abraham retain their elect status as a nation before God (See Rom.9:3-5; 11:28-29) ("Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."). Paul, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that unbelieving Jews - those who were his most serious opposition, who are enemies concerning the gospel are nevertheless still 'elect' (chosen by God) and are to be beloved by Scripturally-informed Christians for the sake of the fathers, the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which form the root of the olive tree and by which Gentile wild olive branches find our salvation. Why? Because as Paul explains, the gifts and calling (of Israel) by God are irrevocable. Even in unbelief, Paul appears to be saying the Jewish people remain elect - chosen and called by God for His purposes in history. Notice too that this refers to national election, which differs from individual election (Rom.11:7) which is the sole means by which any person, regardless of ethnicity is saved.

Now, is he referring here to the Israeli govt? Likely not, and instead only to the Jewish descendants of Abraham. However, undoubtedly many of the Jews in present day Israel are indeed the modern day descendants of Abraham. And even if they are not, there is enough gray here that we should tread lightly.


The fact that actually believe this nonsense explains your slavish devotion and worship of Jews.... you are a literal mad man.

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You don't even claim to be a Christ follower. Your words are meaningless. You're simply full of hate.

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You are full of lies and delusions.

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Realitybites said:

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Ethnic Jews are still God's chosen people, and Israel was blessed by God. Those covenants will always remain.

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What is an "ethnic Jew"...A Semite who practices Judaism? Is an African who practices Judaism in Ethopia an "ethnic Jew"?

Semites are a race. Judaism is a religion. You need to be more specific. The search for truth is aided by precision in language.

Mothra's position on this is clear. In contradiction to Galatians 5:2 and Hebrews 8:13, he believes that the Mosaic covenant still has some sort of efficacy for those who reject Christ and continue to practice it. He refuses to understand that post resurrection, those who cleave to the Mosaic covenant are deliberately excluding themselves from the Abrahamic one.

Mine is as well. Anyone on earth, Semite or not, has equal access to God through Christ. Those who reject Christ are lost, regardless of whatever other labels or history they claim.

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Again, I don't claim to know every kind of modern day Jew the covenant applies to. And I understand there have long been debates on how to characterize Jews. We all know Hitler called Jews an inferior race.

I do not consider Jews a race. I consider Jews an ethnicity: Descendants of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Israel, Judah, etc. It's bloodline, but in many cases, also religion, culture, language, etc. Of course, over time, much changed as Jews (and many others) spread out.

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You're all over the place. Initially you said that the ancient Jews and the modern Jews are the same. Ok, lets grant that for now (set aside for now the fact that the religion of Moses and David can't actually be correctly practiced after 70 AD). Now you say that you don't know what kind of "modern" Jew the covenant applies to. I don't really care how Hitler chose to define a Jew. I'm interested in how *you* do.

So back to the question what is an Ethnic Jew? Don't you think that it's pretty important to be able to nail that down if you're going to call them the chosen people of God?

And as importantly, does an African in Ethopia who practices Judaism in 2025 qualify as one of these Ethnic Jews?

The problem is that neither you nor Mothra are approaching this from a thorough knowledge of the Bible, history, and archeology. He's approaching it with a geopolitical axe to grind, and you're approaching it to selectively accept and reject things based on the pre-millenial, pre-tribulational, dispensational theological point of view.

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Realitybites said:

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Realitybites said:

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I was referencing the argument that the Jews being God's chosen people are not the Jews of today.

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To be precise, are you saying that Semites are still Gods chosen people, or practicioners of Judaism are still God's chosen people? Or both? Or Neither?

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We've been over this. Paul is crystal clear in Romans that unbelieving Jewish descendants of Abraham retain their elect status as a nation before God (See Rom.9:3-5; 11:28-29) ("Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."). Paul, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that unbelieving Jews - those who were his most serious opposition, who are enemies concerning the gospel are nevertheless still 'elect' (chosen by God) and are to be beloved by Scripturally-informed Christians for the sake of the fathers, the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which form the root of the olive tree and by which Gentile wild olive branches find our salvation. Why? Because as Paul explains, the gifts and calling (of Israel) by God are irrevocable. Even in unbelief, Paul appears to be saying the Jewish people remain elect - chosen and called by God for His purposes in history. Notice too that this refers to national election, which differs from individual election (Rom.11:7) which is the sole means by which any person, regardless of ethnicity is saved.

Now, is he referring here to the Israeli govt? Likely not, and instead only to the Jewish descendants of Abraham. However, undoubtedly many of the Jews in present day Israel are indeed the modern day descendants of Abraham. And even if they are not, there is enough gray here that we should tread lightly.


The fact that actually believe this nonsense explains your slavish devotion and worship of Jews.... you are a literal mad man.

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Don't see anyone worshipping Jews, but I do see someone obsessed with disliking them

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This came up on my feed today... add this to the long list of disreputable, morally bankrupt Jewish scams being perpetuated on well meaning people of modest means just trying to help others in their communities.

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Well, if its on Youtube, it must be true, right?

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It is true. I saw that video earlier while on my lunch break and its from Mark Dice who's a conservative MAGA youtuber. It seems that Ben was advertising for the Cars for Kids to help those less fortunate but it turns out all the money just paid for camps for Orthodox Jewish kids rather than needs kids of all kinds. Seems like a lie by omission at best and if that is what is so near and dear to Bens heart then why doesnt he personally give money to that cause?

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So, Ben Shapiro is guilty of "lying by omission" because he didn't say that the money was going to orthodox Jewish kids, but calling that a "Jewish Scam" is not omitting important information? Just keeping score here.

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I was referencing the argument that the Jews being God's chosen people are not the Jews of today.

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To be precise, are you saying that Semites are still Gods chosen people, or practicioners of Judaism are still God's chosen people? Or both? Or Neither?

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We've been over this. Paul is crystal clear in Romans that unbelieving Jewish descendants of Abraham retain their elect status as a nation before God (See Rom.9:3-5; 11:28-29) ("Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."). Paul, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that unbelieving Jews - those who were his most serious opposition, who are enemies concerning the gospel are nevertheless still 'elect' (chosen by God) and are to be beloved by Scripturally-informed Christians for the sake of the fathers, the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which form the root of the olive tree and by which Gentile wild olive branches find our salvation. Why? Because as Paul explains, the gifts and calling (of Israel) by God are irrevocable. Even in unbelief, Paul appears to be saying the Jewish people remain elect - chosen and called by God for His purposes in history. Notice too that this refers to national election, which differs from individual election (Rom.11:7) which is the sole means by which any person, regardless of ethnicity is saved.

Now, is he referring here to the Israeli govt? Likely not, and instead only to the Jewish descendants of Abraham. However, undoubtedly many of the Jews in present day Israel are indeed the modern day descendants of Abraham. And even if they are not, there is enough gray here that we should tread lightly.


The fact that actually believe this nonsense explains your slavish devotion and worship of Jews.... you are a literal mad man.

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Don't see anyone worshipping Jews, but I do see someone obsessed with disliking them

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This came up on my feed today... add this to the long list of disreputable, morally bankrupt Jewish scams being perpetuated on well meaning people of modest means just trying to help others in their communities.

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Well, if its on Youtube, it must be true, right?

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It is true. I saw that video earlier while on my lunch break and its from Mark Dice who's a conservative MAGA youtuber. It seems that Ben was advertising for the Cars for Kids to help those less fortunate but it turns out all the money just paid for camps for Orthodox Jewish kids rather than needs kids of all kinds. Seems like a lie by omission at best and if that is what is so near and dear to Bens heart then why doesnt he personally give money to that cause?

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So, Ben Shapiro is guilty of "lying by omission" because he didn't say that the money was going to orthodox Jewish kids, but calling that a "Jewish Scam" is not omitting important information? Just keeping score here.

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Ben Shapiro should honestly go to jail for this along with his accomplishes... but we live in a two tiered jewish supremacist colony of Israel.

It isnt lying by ommission... it is lying directly and blatantly.

Less than 1% of the money generated actually goes to training kids to become mechanics... the rest is sent to New Jersey to pay for Orthodox Jewish Summer Camps.

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Our Lord practiced Judaism, or did you not know that?

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The Lord fulfilled Judaism. It is theologically incorrect to reduce his role to a practitioner of Judaism. "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill them." (Matthew 5:18). There is no other practitioner of Judaism who could say anything like this, including the prophets. This is why the Christian church preserved the Septuagint and uses it in its worship to this day.

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And the leading Jews rejected Christ because of Satan's influence, but not all. Indeed we know from the Gospels that many people wanted to hear Christ, and no one here knows the ultimate outcome of their decisions.

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In the week before the crucifixion, Christ entered Jerusalem and was met by cheering crowds and palm branches. On Friday he was crucified "And all the people answered and said, "His blood be on us and on our children." (Matthew 27:25). What changed?

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I would simply observe that Christianity was originally founded completely of Jews who accepted Jesus as the Christ.

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Historically correct, and the work of the savior opened the covenant of Abraham to any member of homo sapiens who would become his disciple.

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Insulting Jews is therefore a dangerous and ill-considered practice, as is presuming you personally understand everyone's heart as well as the Father.

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Nobody is "insulting Jews". We're still trying to define what you, sombear, and Mothra believe one is Jew.

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I was referencing the argument that the Jews being God's chosen people are not the Jews of today.

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To be precise, are you saying that Semites are still Gods chosen people, or practicioners of Judaism are still God's chosen people? Or both? Or Neither?

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We've been over this. Paul is crystal clear in Romans that unbelieving Jewish descendants of Abraham retain their elect status as a nation before God (See Rom.9:3-5; 11:28-29) ("Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."). Paul, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that unbelieving Jews - those who were his most serious opposition, who are enemies concerning the gospel are nevertheless still 'elect' (chosen by God) and are to be beloved by Scripturally-informed Christians for the sake of the fathers, the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which form the root of the olive tree and by which Gentile wild olive branches find our salvation. Why? Because as Paul explains, the gifts and calling (of Israel) by God are irrevocable. Even in unbelief, Paul appears to be saying the Jewish people remain elect - chosen and called by God for His purposes in history. Notice too that this refers to national election, which differs from individual election (Rom.11:7) which is the sole means by which any person, regardless of ethnicity is saved.

Now, is he referring here to the Israeli govt? Likely not, and instead only to the Jewish descendants of Abraham. However, undoubtedly many of the Jews in present day Israel are indeed the modern day descendants of Abraham. And even if they are not, there is enough gray here that we should tread lightly.


The fact that actually believe this nonsense explains your slavish devotion and worship of Jews.... you are a literal mad man.

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Don't see anyone worshipping Jews, but I do see someone obsessed with disliking them

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This came up on my feed today... add this to the long list of disreputable, morally bankrupt Jewish scams being perpetuated on well meaning people of modest means just trying to help others in their communities.

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Well, if its on Youtube, it must be true, right?

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It is true. I saw that video earlier while on my lunch break and its from Mark Dice who's a conservative MAGA youtuber. It seems that Ben was advertising for the Cars for Kids to help those less fortunate but it turns out all the money just paid for camps for Orthodox Jewish kids rather than needs kids of all kinds. Seems like a lie by omission at best and if that is what is so near and dear to Bens heart then why doesnt he personally give money to that cause?

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So, Ben Shapiro is guilty of "lying by omission" because he didn't say that the money was going to orthodox Jewish kids, but calling that a "Jewish Scam" is not omitting important information? Just keeping score here.

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IDK bro, I was just saying that i watched the video. When you hear the ads for Cars 4 Kids you think youre helping needy children so it is a little scammy.

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Ethnic Jews are still God's chosen people, and Israel was blessed by God. Those covenants will always remain.

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What is an "ethnic Jew"...A Semite who practices Judaism? Is an African who practices Judaism in Ethopia an "ethnic Jew"?

Semites are a race. Judaism is a religion. You need to be more specific. The search for truth is aided by precision in language.

Mothra's position on this is clear. In contradiction to Galatians 5:2 and Hebrews 8:13, he believes that the Mosaic covenant still has some sort of efficacy for those who reject Christ and continue to practice it. He refuses to understand that post resurrection, those who cleave to the Mosaic covenant are deliberately excluding themselves from the Abrahamic one.

Mine is as well. Anyone on earth, Semite or not, has equal access to God through Christ. Those who reject Christ are lost, regardless of whatever other labels or history they claim.

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Again, I don't claim to know every kind of modern day Jew the covenant applies to. And I understand there have long been debates on how to characterize Jews. We all know Hitler called Jews an inferior race.

I do not consider Jews a race. I consider Jews an ethnicity: Descendants of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Israel, Judah, etc. It's bloodline, but in many cases, also religion, culture, language, etc. Of course, over time, much changed as Jews (and many others) spread out.

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You're all over the place. Initially you said that the ancient Jews and the modern Jews are the same. Ok, lets grant that for now (set aside for now the fact that the religion of Moses and David can't actually be correctly practiced after 70 AD). Now you say that you don't know what kind of "modern" Jew the covenant applies to. I don't really care how Hitler chose to define a Jew. I'm interested in how *you* do.

So back to the question what is an Ethnic Jew? Don't you think that it's pretty important to be able to nail that down if you're going to call them the chosen people of God?

And as importantly, does an African in Ethopia who practices Judaism in 2025 qualify as one of these Ethnic Jews?

The problem is that neither you nor Mothra are approaching this from a thorough knowledge of the Bible, history, and archeology. He's approaching it with a geopolitical axe to grind, and you're approaching it to selectively accept and reject things based on the pre-millenial, pre-tribulational, dispensational theological point of view.

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Let me ask it again, as you seem to be avoiding the question:

Who are the descendants of Abraham today? Please identify them.

Or do you believe the inability to say with certainty who are direct descendants of Abraham justifies your Jew hate?

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Realitybites said:

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I was referencing the argument that the Jews being God's chosen people are not the Jews of today.

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To be precise, are you saying that Semites are still Gods chosen people, or practicioners of Judaism are still God's chosen people? Or both? Or Neither?

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We've been over this. Paul is crystal clear in Romans that unbelieving Jewish descendants of Abraham retain their elect status as a nation before God (See Rom.9:3-5; 11:28-29) ("Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."). Paul, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that unbelieving Jews - those who were his most serious opposition, who are enemies concerning the gospel are nevertheless still 'elect' (chosen by God) and are to be beloved by Scripturally-informed Christians for the sake of the fathers, the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which form the root of the olive tree and by which Gentile wild olive branches find our salvation. Why? Because as Paul explains, the gifts and calling (of Israel) by God are irrevocable. Even in unbelief, Paul appears to be saying the Jewish people remain elect - chosen and called by God for His purposes in history. Notice too that this refers to national election, which differs from individual election (Rom.11:7) which is the sole means by which any person, regardless of ethnicity is saved.

Now, is he referring here to the Israeli govt? Likely not, and instead only to the Jewish descendants of Abraham. However, undoubtedly many of the Jews in present day Israel are indeed the modern day descendants of Abraham. And even if they are not, there is enough gray here that we should tread lightly.


The fact that actually believe this nonsense explains your slavish devotion and worship of Jews.... you are a literal mad man.

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Don't see anyone worshipping Jews, but I do see someone obsessed with disliking them

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This came up on my feed today... add this to the long list of disreputable, morally bankrupt Jewish scams being perpetuated on well meaning people of modest means just trying to help others in their communities.

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Well, if its on Youtube, it must be true, right?

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It is true. I saw that video earlier while on my lunch break and its from Mark Dice who's a conservative MAGA youtuber. It seems that Ben was advertising for the Cars for Kids to help those less fortunate but it turns out all the money just paid for camps for Orthodox Jewish kids rather than needs kids of all kinds. Seems like a lie by omission at best and if that is what is so near and dear to Bens heart then why doesnt he personally give money to that cause?

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So, Ben Shapiro is guilty of "lying by omission" because he didn't say that the money was going to orthodox Jewish kids, but calling that a "Jewish Scam" is not omitting important information? Just keeping score here.

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Ben Shapiro should honestly go to jail for this along with his accomplishes... but we live in a two tiered jewish supremacist colony of Israel.

It isnt lying by ommission... it is lying directly and blatantly.

Less than 1% of the money generated actually goes to training kids to become mechanics... the rest is sent to New Jersey to pay for Orthodox Jewish Summer Camps.

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Bruisers Burner Phone said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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Realitybites said:

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sombear said:

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Realitybites said:

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I was referencing the argument that the Jews being God's chosen people are not the Jews of today.

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To be precise, are you saying that Semites are still Gods chosen people, or practicioners of Judaism are still God's chosen people? Or both? Or Neither?

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We've been over this. Paul is crystal clear in Romans that unbelieving Jewish descendants of Abraham retain their elect status as a nation before God (See Rom.9:3-5; 11:28-29) ("Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."). Paul, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that unbelieving Jews - those who were his most serious opposition, who are enemies concerning the gospel are nevertheless still 'elect' (chosen by God) and are to be beloved by Scripturally-informed Christians for the sake of the fathers, the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which form the root of the olive tree and by which Gentile wild olive branches find our salvation. Why? Because as Paul explains, the gifts and calling (of Israel) by God are irrevocable. Even in unbelief, Paul appears to be saying the Jewish people remain elect - chosen and called by God for His purposes in history. Notice too that this refers to national election, which differs from individual election (Rom.11:7) which is the sole means by which any person, regardless of ethnicity is saved.

Now, is he referring here to the Israeli govt? Likely not, and instead only to the Jewish descendants of Abraham. However, undoubtedly many of the Jews in present day Israel are indeed the modern day descendants of Abraham. And even if they are not, there is enough gray here that we should tread lightly.


The fact that actually believe this nonsense explains your slavish devotion and worship of Jews.... you are a literal mad man.

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Don't see anyone worshipping Jews, but I do see someone obsessed with disliking them

---

This came up on my feed today... add this to the long list of disreputable, morally bankrupt Jewish scams being perpetuated on well meaning people of modest means just trying to help others in their communities.

---

Well, if its on Youtube, it must be true, right?

---

It is true. I saw that video earlier while on my lunch break and its from Mark Dice who's a conservative MAGA youtuber. It seems that Ben was advertising for the Cars for Kids to help those less fortunate but it turns out all the money just paid for camps for Orthodox Jewish kids rather than needs kids of all kinds. Seems like a lie by omission at best and if that is what is so near and dear to Bens heart then why doesnt he personally give money to that cause?

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So, Ben Shapiro is guilty of "lying by omission" because he didn't say that the money was going to orthodox Jewish kids, but calling that a "Jewish Scam" is not omitting important information? Just keeping score here.

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Ben Shapiro should honestly go to jail for this along with his accomplishes... but we live in a two tiered jewish supremacist colony of Israel.

It isnt lying by ommission... it is lying directly and blatantly.

Less than 1% of the money generated actually goes to training kids to become mechanics... the rest is sent to New Jersey to pay for Orthodox Jewish Summer Camps.

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Tucker is a piece of **** bcs he disagrees with you.... but actual criminals misappropriating funds from fake charities like Ben Shapiro are totally kosher.

Your morality is so backwards and twisted.