bularry said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Walls work....that's the real issue of course . Cause Dems want the votes of illegals .

Dems wants those millions of extra votes...so they can 'develop' the rest of the country into the exact same mess California has become .

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Walls work for what?

And illegals don't vote. I know that's the newest alt-right fabrication you are spreading, but you saying it and the truth aren't connected.

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Have described the success of the El Paso 64 mile wall several times . Doubt you have missed them. So your question is merely silly .

In Cal illegals ...by the thousands ....vote.

Florda_mike said:

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Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Walls interrupt the circular flow of labor, same as our ridiculous immigration laws.

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Dont pretend that this is what's happening.

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Not pretending, it is well documented.

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I want YOU to explain it

I don't want some liberal based friggin link you post

YOU explain how "circular flow of labor is interrupted by immigration laws and walls???"

You own this one!

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Well Quash, I'm waiting? But I thought you'd conveniently disappear

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I don't dance when you call. And asking me to prove it without using data is just dumb.

Canada2017 said:

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bularry said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Walls work....that's the real issue of course . Cause Dems want the votes of illegals .

Dems wants those millions of extra votes...so they can 'develop' the rest of the country into the exact same mess California has become .

---

Walls work for what?

And illegals don't vote. I know that's the newest alt-right fabrication you are spreading, but you saying it and the truth aren't connected.

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Have described the success of the El Paso 64 mile wall several times . Doubt you have missed them. So your question is merely silly .

In Cal illegals ...by the thousands ....vote.

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Link to illegals voting?

cinque said:

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Why did Trump reject the 25 billion for border security?

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Because those dirty children would have benefited.

quash said:

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Canada2017 said:

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bularry said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Walls work....that's the real issue of course . Cause Dems want the votes of illegals .

Dems wants those millions of extra votes...so they can 'develop' the rest of the country into the exact same mess California has become .

---

Walls work for what?

And illegals don't vote. I know that's the newest alt-right fabrication you are spreading, but you saying it and the truth aren't connected.

---

Have described the success of the El Paso 64 mile wall several times . Doubt you have missed them. So your question is merely silly .

In Cal illegals ...by the thousands ....vote.

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Link to illegals voting?

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Google it yourself Uber driver .

Start with C A L I F O R N I A

tommie said:

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cinque said:

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Why did Trump reject the 25 billion for border security?

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Because those dirty children would have benefited.

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Your compassion appears to be limited to the computer keyboard. Monetary contributions are far more effective.

Canada2017 said:

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quash said:

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Canada2017 said:

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bularry said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Walls work....that's the real issue of course . Cause Dems want the votes of illegals .

Dems wants those millions of extra votes...so they can 'develop' the rest of the country into the exact same mess California has become .

---

Walls work for what?

And illegals don't vote. I know that's the newest alt-right fabrication you are spreading, but you saying it and the truth aren't connected.

---

Have described the success of the El Paso 64 mile wall several times . Doubt you have missed them. So your question is merely silly .

In Cal illegals ...by the thousands ....vote.

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Link to illegals voting?

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Google it yourself Uber driver .

Start with C A L I F O R N I A

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So you can't prove it?

Edit: "thousands of illegals voting in california" turned up registrations, not votes.

What do you have?

quash said:

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Canada2017 said:

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quash said:

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Canada2017 said:

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bularry said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Walls work....that's the real issue of course . Cause Dems want the votes of illegals .

Dems wants those millions of extra votes...so they can 'develop' the rest of the country into the exact same mess California has become .

---

Walls work for what?

And illegals don't vote. I know that's the newest alt-right fabrication you are spreading, but you saying it and the truth aren't connected.

---

Have described the success of the El Paso 64 mile wall several times . Doubt you have missed them. So your question is merely silly .

In Cal illegals ...by the thousands ....vote.

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Link to illegals voting?

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Google it yourself Uber driver .

Start with C A L I F O R N I A

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So you can't prove it?

Edit: "thousands of illegals voting in california" turned up registrations, not votes.

What do you have?

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It's there....I have read it. You can get off dead center and do the same .

bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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J.R. said:

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There will be no "wall".

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American taxpayers need one to protect themselves from several issues: flow of drugs, child trafficking, costs etc.

I hope you aren't buying into the anti wall rhetoric.

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I don't really think Americans are trying to escape the "flow of drugs". That's a silly argument

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Not silly.
Over 90% of all heroin and fentanyl come across the southern border.

The death rates due to heroin and fentanyl are through the roof.

90% of all heroin and fentanyl come across the southern border.
Over 10k kids are illegally sex trafficked across the southern border every year.
56k illegal immigrants within our federal prison system.
$135 billion yearly cost.

Does anyone here believe in the physical representation of when good ideas start and bad ideas begin?
If so, that's the wall.

Canada2017 said:

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quash said:

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Canada2017 said:

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quash said:

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Canada2017 said:

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bularry said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Walls work....that's the real issue of course . Cause Dems want the votes of illegals .

Dems wants those millions of extra votes...so they can 'develop' the rest of the country into the exact same mess California has become .

---

Walls work for what?

And illegals don't vote. I know that's the newest alt-right fabrication you are spreading, but you saying it and the truth aren't connected.

---

Have described the success of the El Paso 64 mile wall several times . Doubt you have missed them. So your question is merely silly .

In Cal illegals ...by the thousands ....vote.

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Link to illegals voting?

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Google it yourself Uber driver .

Start with C A L I F O R N I A

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So you can't prove it?

Edit: "thousands of illegals voting in california" turned up registrations, not votes.

What do you have?

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It's there....I have read it. You can get off dead center and do the same .

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Dead center? I searched using your statement and found nada about voting, just registration. Which is usually the case when someone claims vote fraud, it's hust another Mickey Mouse registering, but not voting, eg.

You made the claim, I refuted it. Dead center is now yours.

quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Walls interrupt the circular flow of labor, same as our ridiculous immigration laws.

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Dont pretend that this is what's happening.

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Not pretending, it is well documented.

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I want YOU to explain it

I don't want some liberal based friggin link you post

YOU explain how "circular flow of labor is interrupted by immigration laws and walls???"

You own this one!

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Well Quash, I'm waiting? But I thought you'd conveniently disappear

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I don't dance when you call. And asking me to prove it without using data is just dumb.

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Dude you don't even dance!

You have no clue about your "circular flow of labor" bs you speak of

And you call others dumb?

Have you ever made a payroll? Of course not

You won't see Chuck & Nancy or CNN & MSNBC talking about these stats

Quash, you never addressed my response. Do you not understand it or do you concede the argument?

Canada2017 said:

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bularry said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Walls work....that's the real issue of course . Cause Dems want the votes of illegals .

Dems wants those millions of extra votes...so they can 'develop' the rest of the country into the exact same mess California has become .

---

Walls work for what?

And illegals don't vote. I know that's the newest alt-right fabrication you are spreading, but you saying it and the truth aren't connected.

---

Have described the success of the El Paso 64 mile wall several times . Doubt you have missed them. So your question is merely silly .

In Cal illegals ...by the thousands ....vote.

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You said millions originally

Doc Holliday said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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J.R. said:

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There will be no "wall".

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American taxpayers need one to protect themselves from several issues: flow of drugs, child trafficking, costs etc.

I hope you aren't buying into the anti wall rhetoric.

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I don't really think Americans are trying to escape the "flow of drugs". That's a silly argument

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Not silly.
Over 90% of all heroin and fentanyl come across the southern border.

The death rates due to heroin and fentanyl are through the roof.

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Agree, but the people killing them selves are creating the demand, not vice versa

bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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J.R. said:

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There will be no "wall".

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American taxpayers need one to protect themselves from several issues: flow of drugs, child trafficking, costs etc.

I hope you aren't buying into the anti wall rhetoric.

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I don't really think Americans are trying to escape the "flow of drugs". That's a silly argument

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Not silly.
Over 90% of all heroin and fentanyl come across the southern border.

The death rates due to heroin and fentanyl are through the roof.

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Agree, but the people killing them selves are creating the demand, not vice versa

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True, but compelling human behavior is damn near impossible.

Canada2017 said:

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quash said:

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Canada2017 said:

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quash said:

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Canada2017 said:

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bularry said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Walls work....that's the real issue of course . Cause Dems want the votes of illegals .

Dems wants those millions of extra votes...so they can 'develop' the rest of the country into the exact same mess California has become .

---

Walls work for what?

And illegals don't vote. I know that's the newest alt-right fabrication you are spreading, but you saying it and the truth aren't connected.

---

Have described the success of the El Paso 64 mile wall several times . Doubt you have missed them. So your question is merely silly .

In Cal illegals ...by the thousands ....vote.

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Link to illegals voting?

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Google it yourself Uber driver .

Start with C A L I F O R N I A

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So you can't prove it?

Edit: "thousands of illegals voting in california" turned up registrations, not votes.

What do you have?

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It's there....I have read it. You can get off dead center and do the same .

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https://www.npr.org/2018/04/05/599868312/fact-check-trump-repeats-voter-fraud-claim-about-california

Sam Lowry said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Who here is promoting open borders?

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Quash, if I'm not mistaken. He is welcome to correct me if I am.

More than that, anyone who makes arguments like "build bridges, not walls" or who labels any and every enforcement policy racist is implicitly arguing that there should be no enforcement. I see a lot of that lately.

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Amen on this!

Sam Lowry said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Who here is promoting open borders?

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Quash, if I'm not mistaken. He is welcome to correct me if I am.

More than that, anyone who makes arguments like "build bridges, not walls" or who labels any and every enforcement policy racist is implicitly arguing that there should be no enforcement. I see a lot of that lately.

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So you favor walls over bridges? I am a little surprised. I know verses can be twisted and misused but I really think one of themes throughout the Bible tells us how treat neighbors. I know there can be extremists that might call for open borders but I don't. I just don't think a wall will work. It will not stop the drugs.

I think the wall is not needed. Illegal immigration has been trending down. People seem to forget that President Trumps wall was supposed to be built by Mexico not taxpayers money

Trump has ranted about chain migration but recently his wife sponsored some of her relatives to America and they got green cards. I know Mexicans that have been on the list for ten years. If you are white it's pretty easy. If you are brown or yellow it's a different story. It seems racist to me

Immigration laws need to be reworked. Control immigrants with visas and overhaul our welfare system for everyone. Educating and feeding children doesn't bother me. Feeding adults that don't work and providing special loans for healthy young adults does.

I dont consider my life or my children or grandchildren any more important in the overall scheme of things than other lives. May be I am wrong but in think God sees us all the same

America needs to make it easier for people that want to work and more difficult for those that don't no matter which side of a political line they were born on.

Ps. Merry Christmas to you and your family. You are my favorite poster and I learn more from you than any other poster.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Who here is promoting open borders?

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Quash, if I'm not mistaken. He is welcome to correct me if I am.

More than that, anyone who makes arguments like "build bridges, not walls" or who labels any and every enforcement policy racist is implicitly arguing that there should be no enforcement. I see a lot of that lately.

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So you favor walls over bridges? I am a little surprised. I know verses can be twisted and misused but I really think one of themes throughout the Bible tells us how treat neighbors. I know there can be extremists that might call for open borders but I don't. I just don't think a wall will work. It will not stop the drugs.

I think the wall is not needed. Illegal immigration has been trending down. People seem to forget that President Trumps wall was supposed to be built by Mexico not taxpayers money

Trump has ranted about chain migration but recently his wife sponsored some of her relatives to America and they got green cards. I know Mexicans that have been on the list for ten years. If you are white it's pretty easy. If you are brown or yellow it's a different story. It seems racist to me

Immigration laws need to be reworked. Control immigrants with visas and overhaul our welfare system for everyone. Educating and feeding children doesn't bother me. Feeding adults that don't work and providing special loans for healthy young adults does.

I dont consider my life or my children or grandchildren any more important in the overall scheme of things than other lives. May be I am wrong but in think God sees us all the same

America needs to make it easier for people that want to work and more difficult for those that don't no matter which side of a political line they were born on.

Ps. Merry Christmas to you and your family. You are my favorite poster and I learn more from you than any other poster.

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Merry Christmas to you and yours, LIQR. It's always good to see you adding some variety to the mix of opinion here.

I'm not an absolutist about walls or bridges. Each has a legitimate purpose. What I have noticed is that Trump's critics don't have much to say against the wall specifically. Most of their arguments are really arguments against enforcement in general, which is why I think it's fair to characterize them as open border advocates even if they don't use the exact words.

If you just don't think a wall will work, that's a fair argument. I don't think it will stop drugs. It's more about stopping people, which I think it could do.

Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Walls interrupt the circular flow of labor, same as our ridiculous immigration laws.

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Dont pretend that this is what's happening.

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Not pretending, it is well documented.

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I want YOU to explain it

I don't want some liberal based friggin link you post

YOU explain how "circular flow of labor is interrupted by immigration laws and walls???"

You own this one!

---

Well Quash, I'm waiting? But I thought you'd conveniently disappear

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I don't dance when you call. And asking me to prove it without using data is just dumb.

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Dude you don't even dance!

You have no clue about your "circular flow of labor" bs you speak of

And you call others dumb?

Have you ever made a payroll? Of course not

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Have you ever used a search engine?

Sam Lowry said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Who here is promoting open borders?

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Quash, if I'm not mistaken. He is welcome to correct me if I am.

More than that, anyone who makes arguments like "build bridges, not walls" or who labels any and every enforcement policy racist is implicitly arguing that there should be no enforcement. I see a lot of that lately.

---

So you favor walls over bridges? I am a little surprised. I know verses can be twisted and misused but I really think one of themes throughout the Bible tells us how treat neighbors. I know there can be extremists that might call for open borders but I don't. I just don't think a wall will work. It will not stop the drugs.

I think the wall is not needed. Illegal immigration has been trending down. People seem to forget that President Trumps wall was supposed to be built by Mexico not taxpayers money

Trump has ranted about chain migration but recently his wife sponsored some of her relatives to America and they got green cards. I know Mexicans that have been on the list for ten years. If you are white it's pretty easy. If you are brown or yellow it's a different story. It seems racist to me

Immigration laws need to be reworked. Control immigrants with visas and overhaul our welfare system for everyone. Educating and feeding children doesn't bother me. Feeding adults that don't work and providing special loans for healthy young adults does.

I dont consider my life or my children or grandchildren any more important in the overall scheme of things than other lives. May be I am wrong but in think God sees us all the same

America needs to make it easier for people that want to work and more difficult for those that don't no matter which side of a political line they were born on.

Ps. Merry Christmas to you and your family. You are my favorite poster and I learn more from you than any other poster.

---

Merry Christmas to you and yours, LIQR. It's always good to see you adding some variety to the mix of opinion here.

I'm not an absolutist about walls or bridges. Each has a legitimate purpose. What I have noticed is that Trump's critics don't have much to say against the wall specifically. Most of their arguments are really arguments against enforcement in general, which is why I think it's fair to characterize them as open border advocates even if they don't use the exact words.

If you just don't think a wall will work, that's a fair argument. I don't think it will stop drugs. It's more about stopping people, which I think it could do.

---

Yes, I want open borders, and I explained it in detail once and nobody responded in any sensible way. I acknowledged the sovereign right to protect citizens but also the human right to hire and work and travel. None of these rights are absolute but on a board full of binary thinkers when you say you support open borders you have opened your arms to terrorists. Or rapists, to use Trump's formulation.

quash said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Who here is promoting open borders?

---

Quash, if I'm not mistaken. He is welcome to correct me if I am.

More than that, anyone who makes arguments like "build bridges, not walls" or who labels any and every enforcement policy racist is implicitly arguing that there should be no enforcement. I see a lot of that lately.

---

So you favor walls over bridges? I am a little surprised. I know verses can be twisted and misused but I really think one of themes throughout the Bible tells us how treat neighbors. I know there can be extremists that might call for open borders but I don't. I just don't think a wall will work. It will not stop the drugs.

I think the wall is not needed. Illegal immigration has been trending down. People seem to forget that President Trumps wall was supposed to be built by Mexico not taxpayers money

Trump has ranted about chain migration but recently his wife sponsored some of her relatives to America and they got green cards. I know Mexicans that have been on the list for ten years. If you are white it's pretty easy. If you are brown or yellow it's a different story. It seems racist to me

Immigration laws need to be reworked. Control immigrants with visas and overhaul our welfare system for everyone. Educating and feeding children doesn't bother me. Feeding adults that don't work and providing special loans for healthy young adults does.

I dont consider my life or my children or grandchildren any more important in the overall scheme of things than other lives. May be I am wrong but in think God sees us all the same

America needs to make it easier for people that want to work and more difficult for those that don't no matter which side of a political line they were born on.

Ps. Merry Christmas to you and your family. You are my favorite poster and I learn more from you than any other poster.

---

Merry Christmas to you and yours, LIQR. It's always good to see you adding some variety to the mix of opinion here.

I'm not an absolutist about walls or bridges. Each has a legitimate purpose. What I have noticed is that Trump's critics don't have much to say against the wall specifically. Most of their arguments are really arguments against enforcement in general, which is why I think it's fair to characterize them as open border advocates even if they don't use the exact words.

If you just don't think a wall will work, that's a fair argument. I don't think it will stop drugs. It's more about stopping people, which I think it could do.

---

Yes, I want open borders, and I explained it in detail once and nobody responded in any sensible way. I acknowledged the sovereign right to protect citizens but also the human right to hire and work and travel. None of these rights are absolute but on a board full of binary thinkers when you say you support open borders you have opened your arms to terrorists. Or rapists, to use Trump's formulation.

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Explain why it would not open our arms to terrorism, rapists etc.?

Because on my end, facts, data, and logic say that it does.

Something that isn't talked about enough:

There may have been as many as 39 million cases of identity theft and fraud committed by illegal aliens over the past 4 years.

A "thriving black market" used by illegal immigrants to get Social Security numbers needed to get a job.

From 2012 to 2016 there were "39 million instances where names and Social Security numbers on W-2 tax forms did not match the corresponding Social Security records".

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/illegal-immigrants-cited-in-theft-of-39-million-social-security-numbers

Doc Holliday said:

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Something that isn't talked about enough:

There may have been as many as 39 million cases of identity theft and fraud committed by illegal aliens over the past 4 years.

A "thriving black market" used by illegal immigrants to get Social Security numbers needed to get a job.

From 2012 to 2016 there were "39 million instances where names and Social Security numbers on W-2 tax forms did not match the corresponding Social Security records".

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/illegal-immigrants-cited-in-theft-of-39-million-social-security-numbers

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^^^ Yeah just a minor issue there for our democrat brothers and sisters huh?

Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Who here is promoting open borders?

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Quash, if I'm not mistaken. He is welcome to correct me if I am.

More than that, anyone who makes arguments like "build bridges, not walls" or who labels any and every enforcement policy racist is implicitly arguing that there should be no enforcement. I see a lot of that lately.

---

So you favor walls over bridges? I am a little surprised. I know verses can be twisted and misused but I really think one of themes throughout the Bible tells us how treat neighbors. I know there can be extremists that might call for open borders but I don't. I just don't think a wall will work. It will not stop the drugs.

I think the wall is not needed. Illegal immigration has been trending down. People seem to forget that President Trumps wall was supposed to be built by Mexico not taxpayers money

Trump has ranted about chain migration but recently his wife sponsored some of her relatives to America and they got green cards. I know Mexicans that have been on the list for ten years. If you are white it's pretty easy. If you are brown or yellow it's a different story. It seems racist to me

Immigration laws need to be reworked. Control immigrants with visas and overhaul our welfare system for everyone. Educating and feeding children doesn't bother me. Feeding adults that don't work and providing special loans for healthy young adults does.

I dont consider my life or my children or grandchildren any more important in the overall scheme of things than other lives. May be I am wrong but in think God sees us all the same

America needs to make it easier for people that want to work and more difficult for those that don't no matter which side of a political line they were born on.

Ps. Merry Christmas to you and your family. You are my favorite poster and I learn more from you than any other poster.

---

Merry Christmas to you and yours, LIQR. It's always good to see you adding some variety to the mix of opinion here.

I'm not an absolutist about walls or bridges. Each has a legitimate purpose. What I have noticed is that Trump's critics don't have much to say against the wall specifically. Most of their arguments are really arguments against enforcement in general, which is why I think it's fair to characterize them as open border advocates even if they don't use the exact words.

If you just don't think a wall will work, that's a fair argument. I don't think it will stop drugs. It's more about stopping people, which I think it could do.

---

Yes, I want open borders, and I explained it in detail once and nobody responded in any sensible way. I acknowledged the sovereign right to protect citizens but also the human right to hire and work and travel. None of these rights are absolute but on a board full of binary thinkers when you say you support open borders you have opened your arms to terrorists. Or rapists, to use Trump's formulation.

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Explain why it would not open our arms to terrorism, rapists etc.?

Because on my end, facts, data, and logic say that it does.

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That is the binarist view.

Doc Holliday said:

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Something that isn't talked about enough:

There may have been as many as 39 million cases of identity theft and fraud committed by illegal aliens over the past 4 years.

A "thriving black market" used by illegal immigrants to get Social Security numbers needed to get a job.

From 2012 to 2016 there were "39 million instances where names and Social Security numbers on W-2 tax forms did not match the corresponding Social Security records".

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/illegal-immigrants-cited-in-theft-of-39-million-social-security-numbers

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You mean the folks keeping SS afloat with no hope of receiving benefits.

quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Who here is promoting open borders?

---

Quash, if I'm not mistaken. He is welcome to correct me if I am.

More than that, anyone who makes arguments like "build bridges, not walls" or who labels any and every enforcement policy racist is implicitly arguing that there should be no enforcement. I see a lot of that lately.

---

So you favor walls over bridges? I am a little surprised. I know verses can be twisted and misused but I really think one of themes throughout the Bible tells us how treat neighbors. I know there can be extremists that might call for open borders but I don't. I just don't think a wall will work. It will not stop the drugs.

I think the wall is not needed. Illegal immigration has been trending down. People seem to forget that President Trumps wall was supposed to be built by Mexico not taxpayers money

Trump has ranted about chain migration but recently his wife sponsored some of her relatives to America and they got green cards. I know Mexicans that have been on the list for ten years. If you are white it's pretty easy. If you are brown or yellow it's a different story. It seems racist to me

Immigration laws need to be reworked. Control immigrants with visas and overhaul our welfare system for everyone. Educating and feeding children doesn't bother me. Feeding adults that don't work and providing special loans for healthy young adults does.

I dont consider my life or my children or grandchildren any more important in the overall scheme of things than other lives. May be I am wrong but in think God sees us all the same

America needs to make it easier for people that want to work and more difficult for those that don't no matter which side of a political line they were born on.

Ps. Merry Christmas to you and your family. You are my favorite poster and I learn more from you than any other poster.

---

Merry Christmas to you and yours, LIQR. It's always good to see you adding some variety to the mix of opinion here.

I'm not an absolutist about walls or bridges. Each has a legitimate purpose. What I have noticed is that Trump's critics don't have much to say against the wall specifically. Most of their arguments are really arguments against enforcement in general, which is why I think it's fair to characterize them as open border advocates even if they don't use the exact words.

If you just don't think a wall will work, that's a fair argument. I don't think it will stop drugs. It's more about stopping people, which I think it could do.

---

Yes, I want open borders, and I explained it in detail once and nobody responded in any sensible way. I acknowledged the sovereign right to protect citizens but also the human right to hire and work and travel. None of these rights are absolute but on a board full of binary thinkers when you say you support open borders you have opened your arms to terrorists. Or rapists, to use Trump's formulation.

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Explain why it would not open our arms to terrorism, rapists etc.?

Because on my end, facts, data, and logic say that it does.

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That is the binarist view.

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That's not an answer.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

Doc Holliday said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Who here is promoting open borders?

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Quash, if I'm not mistaken. He is welcome to correct me if I am.

More than that, anyone who makes arguments like "build bridges, not walls" or who labels any and every enforcement policy racist is implicitly arguing that there should be no enforcement. I see a lot of that lately.

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So you favor walls over bridges? I am a little surprised. I know verses can be twisted and misused but I really think one of themes throughout the Bible tells us how treat neighbors. I know there can be extremists that might call for open borders but I don't. I just don't think a wall will work. It will not stop the drugs.

I think the wall is not needed. Illegal immigration has been trending down. People seem to forget that President Trumps wall was supposed to be built by Mexico not taxpayers money

Trump has ranted about chain migration but recently his wife sponsored some of her relatives to America and they got green cards. I know Mexicans that have been on the list for ten years. If you are white it's pretty easy. If you are brown or yellow it's a different story. It seems racist to me

Immigration laws need to be reworked. Control immigrants with visas and overhaul our welfare system for everyone. Educating and feeding children doesn't bother me. Feeding adults that don't work and providing special loans for healthy young adults does.

I dont consider my life or my children or grandchildren any more important in the overall scheme of things than other lives. May be I am wrong but in think God sees us all the same

America needs to make it easier for people that want to work and more difficult for those that don't no matter which side of a political line they were born on.

Ps. Merry Christmas to you and your family. You are my favorite poster and I learn more from you than any other poster.

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Merry Christmas to you and yours, LIQR. It's always good to see you adding some variety to the mix of opinion here.

I'm not an absolutist about walls or bridges. Each has a legitimate purpose. What I have noticed is that Trump's critics don't have much to say against the wall specifically. Most of their arguments are really arguments against enforcement in general, which is why I think it's fair to characterize them as open border advocates even if they don't use the exact words.

If you just don't think a wall will work, that's a fair argument. I don't think it will stop drugs. It's more about stopping people, which I think it could do.

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Yes, I want open borders, and I explained it in detail once and nobody responded in any sensible way. I acknowledged the sovereign right to protect citizens but also the human right to hire and work and travel. None of these rights are absolute but on a board full of binary thinkers when you say you support open borders you have opened your arms to terrorists. Or rapists, to use Trump's formulation.

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Explain why it would not open our arms to terrorism, rapists etc.?

Because on my end, facts, data, and logic say that it does.

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That is the binarist view.

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That's not an answer.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

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As I said, the sovereign has the duty and right to protect its citizens.