Doc Holliday said:
Either it was incompetence or an inside job.
If its the latter we will never know. If it was incompetence they will make excuses and nothing will change.
I agree.ATL Bear said:Outside the perimeter means outside the primary barricaded area. From what I've read this was an open patrolled area local LEO was responsible for, and might have even been a rest area for the officers.FLBear5630 said:Ok, but usually wouldn't you block off an area that has no eyeballs on? Or, reposition one of the other anti-sniper teams to cover it? Leaving it dark? That is not SS level, hell it is not Brigade level for a TOC! Who did the preliminary work on this?Osodecentx said:It seems the sloped roof obscured the sniper teams' view of Crooksboognish_bear said:— G (@stevensongs) July 16, 2024
A Washington Post analysis, based on more than 40 videos and photos, as well as satellite imagery and terrain analysis used to build a 3D model examining the rally site and shooter's position, found that the two Secret Service countersniper teams may have initially been hindered in their ability to see the shooter as he crawled up the roof due to its slanted sides. Trees near the rally likely played a part in obscuring the shooter from at least one teamassigned to detect and neutralize would-be snipers.
The Post's assessments were reviewed and corroborated by three former law enforcement officials, including two retired snipers and a former Secret Service agent, as well as a former marine sniper.
The Post's 3D model established that both units may have been hampered by the pitch of the building's roof where Crooks was found, which rises roughly 3.5 ft from its exterior walls to its peak. According to the analysis, which placed a camera at the eye view of the teams, Crooks would likely not have been visible as he crawled up the roof to take his final shooting position. The Post's reconstruction shows that the northernmost Secret Service countersniper team closest to the suspect slightly more than 400 feet away and atop an approximately 23 foot tall barn may have further struggled to see him because of two trees located between them.
The second countersniper team, located roughly 550 feet from the shooter, while farther away, could have had a less obstructed view, according to The Post's reconstruction, because they were positioned slightly to the west and the trees may not have been in their line of sight.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2024/trump-rally-shooting-maps-secret-service-analysis/?itid=hp-top-table-main_p001_f009
I am no expert, but this seems very unusual. Or, complacency. Another ho-hum rally and just go through the motions.
Poor planning. Poor execution of duty. Poor communication. Poor coordination. Bad outcome and amazing it wasn't worse. People need to be held accountable.
Jack Bauer said:Doc Holliday said:
Either it was incompetence or an inside job.
If its the latter we will never know. If it was incompetence they will make excuses and nothing will change.
The statement that a slightly sloped roof is too dangerous for people who are supposed to be the elite is laughable.
That's like saying a street is too dangerous because it has speed bumps.
OMG...... I'm dead... 😂😂😂💀 pic.twitter.com/h4bZ8CFfdB
— Matt Couch (@RealMattCouch) July 16, 2024
This comes back to Cheatle's resume. Her bio on the Secret Service official website tells usRedbrickbear said:Jack Bauer said:Doc Holliday said:
Either it was incompetence or an inside job.
If its the latter we will never know. If it was incompetence they will make excuses and nothing will change.
The statement that a slightly sloped roof is too dangerous for people who are supposed to be the elite is laughable.
That's like saying a street is too dangerous because it has speed bumps.
True or not its not an excuse that will NOT fly well with the average person in America or around the world.
1. It looks like a lie, "how can the most elite of USA protection units be afraid of a sloped roof?"
2. If it is true, it embarrasses the organization since the most elite of USA protection units are apparently afraid of a roof like that or the corporate culture is one of "Safetyism"
Its bad either way
I don't know how authorities defend leaving elevated ground with a clear view of the speaker 150 yards away.FLBear5630 said:Ok, but usually wouldn't you block off an area that has no eyeballs on? YesOsodecentx said:It seems the sloped roof obscured the sniper teams' view of Crooksboognish_bear said:— G (@stevensongs) July 16, 2024
A Washington Post analysis, based on more than 40 videos and photos, as well as satellite imagery and terrain analysis used to build a 3D model examining the rally site and shooter's position, found that the two Secret Service countersniper teams may have initially been hindered in their ability to see the shooter as he crawled up the roof due to its slanted sides. Trees near the rally likely played a part in obscuring the shooter from at least one teamassigned to detect and neutralize would-be snipers.
The Post's assessments were reviewed and corroborated by three former law enforcement officials, including two retired snipers and a former Secret Service agent, as well as a former marine sniper.
The Post's 3D model established that both units may have been hampered by the pitch of the building's roof where Crooks was found, which rises roughly 3.5 ft from its exterior walls to its peak. According to the analysis, which placed a camera at the eye view of the teams, Crooks would likely not have been visible as he crawled up the roof to take his final shooting position. The Post's reconstruction shows that the northernmost Secret Service countersniper team closest to the suspect slightly more than 400 feet away and atop an approximately 23 foot tall barn may have further struggled to see him because of two trees located between them.
The second countersniper team, located roughly 550 feet from the shooter, while farther away, could have had a less obstructed view, according to The Post's reconstruction, because they were positioned slightly to the west and the trees may not have been in their line of sight.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2024/trump-rally-shooting-maps-secret-service-analysis/?itid=hp-top-table-main_p001_f009
Or, reposition one of the other anti-sniper teams to cover it? Leaving it dark? That is not SS level, hell it is not Brigade level for a TOC! Who did the preliminary work on this?
I am no expert, but this seems very unusual. Or, complacency. Another ho-hum rally and just go through the motions.
Oldbear83 said:This comes back to Cheatle's resume. Her bio on the Secret Service official website tells usRedbrickbear said:Jack Bauer said:Doc Holliday said:
Either it was incompetence or an inside job.
If its the latter we will never know. If it was incompetence they will make excuses and nothing will change.
The statement that a slightly sloped roof is too dangerous for people who are supposed to be the elite is laughable.
That's like saying a street is too dangerous because it has speed bumps.
True or not its not an excuse that will NOT fly well with the average person in America or around the world.
1. It looks like a lie, "how can the most elite of USA protection units be afraid of a sloped roof?"
2. If it is true, it embarrasses the organization since the most elite of USA protection units are apparently afraid of a roof like that or the corporate culture is one of "Safetyism"
Its bad either way
"Ms. Cheatle served as Senior Director in Global Security at PepsiCo, where she was responsible for directing and implementing security protocols for the company's facilities in North America. Her role at PepsiCo involved developing risk management assessment and risk mitigation strategies."
https://www.secretservice.gov/about/leadership/director#:~:text=Kimberly%20Cheatle%20is%20the%2027th,to%20office%20September%2017%2C%202022.
That's a resume built on liability limitation and risk mitigation, not protecting the life of innocents,
She was - in my opinion obviously - the wrong hire for that position.
boognish_bear said:Oldbear83 said:This comes back to Cheatle's resume. Her bio on the Secret Service official website tells usRedbrickbear said:Jack Bauer said:Doc Holliday said:
Either it was incompetence or an inside job.
If its the latter we will never know. If it was incompetence they will make excuses and nothing will change.
The statement that a slightly sloped roof is too dangerous for people who are supposed to be the elite is laughable.
That's like saying a street is too dangerous because it has speed bumps.
True or not its not an excuse that will NOT fly well with the average person in America or around the world.
1. It looks like a lie, "how can the most elite of USA protection units be afraid of a sloped roof?"
2. If it is true, it embarrasses the organization since the most elite of USA protection units are apparently afraid of a roof like that or the corporate culture is one of "Safetyism"
Its bad either way
"Ms. Cheatle served as Senior Director in Global Security at PepsiCo, where she was responsible for directing and implementing security protocols for the company's facilities in North America. Her role at PepsiCo involved developing risk management assessment and risk mitigation strategies."
https://www.secretservice.gov/about/leadership/director#:~:text=Kimberly%20Cheatle%20is%20the%2027th,to%20office%20September%2017%2C%202022.
That's a resume built on liability limitation and risk mitigation, not protecting the life of innocents,
She was - in my opinion obviously - the wrong hire for that position.
Would anything from her experience at PepsiCo security have involved defending threats of physical and deadly violence? I would think not.
Doesn't seem like the best resume builder for leading the Secret Service.
Bestweekeverr said:boognish_bear said:Oldbear83 said:This comes back to Cheatle's resume. Her bio on the Secret Service official website tells usRedbrickbear said:Jack Bauer said:Doc Holliday said:
Either it was incompetence or an inside job.
If its the latter we will never know. If it was incompetence they will make excuses and nothing will change.
The statement that a slightly sloped roof is too dangerous for people who are supposed to be the elite is laughable.
That's like saying a street is too dangerous because it has speed bumps.
True or not its not an excuse that will NOT fly well with the average person in America or around the world.
1. It looks like a lie, "how can the most elite of USA protection units be afraid of a sloped roof?"
2. If it is true, it embarrasses the organization since the most elite of USA protection units are apparently afraid of a roof like that or the corporate culture is one of "Safetyism"
Its bad either way
"Ms. Cheatle served as Senior Director in Global Security at PepsiCo, where she was responsible for directing and implementing security protocols for the company's facilities in North America. Her role at PepsiCo involved developing risk management assessment and risk mitigation strategies."
https://www.secretservice.gov/about/leadership/director#:~:text=Kimberly%20Cheatle%20is%20the%2027th,to%20office%20September%2017%2C%202022.
That's a resume built on liability limitation and risk mitigation, not protecting the life of innocents,
She was - in my opinion obviously - the wrong hire for that position.
Would anything from her experience at PepsiCo security have involved defending threats of physical and deadly violence? I would think not.
Doesn't seem like the best resume builder for leading the Secret Service.
She had also served in the SS from Clinton, to Obama. She escorted Dick Cheney to the bunker on 9/11. She also served in their financial crimes division.
🚨🇺🇸NEW FOOTAGE SHOWS TRUMP DODGED PERFECTLY AIMED SHOT
— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) July 17, 2024
Close-up footage reveals Thomas Crooks' shot was perfectly centered on Trump's head.
Trump’s 'head tilt' to look at a screen graphic and leaning into the microphone saved his life.
The footage was captured just seconds… pic.twitter.com/PDtNxBaAXy
Trump plays Neo from the matrix.
— Jedi Hill (@AlchemistJedi) July 16, 2024
Video analysis of the shooting.
This is We the People solving the crime so it can't end up buried like the JFK assassination.
We must remove the traders from within the federal government@realDonaldTrump @TFL1728 @Sorenthek pic.twitter.com/H2bpgjy4H2
It is being revealed by the Secret Service during the Senate hearing that they were aware of the shooter for ten minutes before former President Trump walked onto the stage, per Fox
— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) July 17, 2024
BREAKING.🚨
— Kyle Becker (@kylenabecker) July 17, 2024
"There was a blanket tactical channel being used. Everyone who was on that tactical channel heard it."
The local officer that confronted the Trump rally shooter radioed in to a shared police channel that there was an armed gunman on the roof prior to former… pic.twitter.com/WmxeZuSJgq
U.S. Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle told House lawmakers that the agency "failed" at its "no-fail mission" to protect Trump.
— Axios (@axios) July 17, 2024
"I acknowledge that there were mistakes and gaps." https://t.co/WnFMJGJIwA
boognish_bear said:
It is kind of a long tweet so you'll have to click on it to read everything.
One interesting note… This guy indicates that when they were aware there was someone on the roof that one police officer boosted another up to where they could grab the roof and pull themselves up to see the shooter. I guess they were not on a ladder. That would explain better why they could not draw their weapon.BREAKING.🚨
— Kyle Becker (@kylenabecker) July 17, 2024
"There was a blanket tactical channel being used. Everyone who was on that tactical channel heard it."
The local officer that confronted the Trump rally shooter radioed in to a shared police channel that there was an armed gunman on the roof prior to former… pic.twitter.com/WmxeZuSJgq
Biden would have been killed by the secret service tackling him. Broken hip, at minimum.Oldbear83 said:
Anyone consider the implications for everyone else with a protection detail?
Biden, for example. Trump at least ducked as soon as the first shot went by, Biden would absolutely not react in anything that fast, and if someone realizes the same Secret Service standards we saw in Butler PA last Saturday might be applied to the POTUS or high-profile targets, the threat profile just went off the chart.
That is nothing less than a divine miracle to survive that.boognish_bear said:🚨🇺🇸NEW FOOTAGE SHOWS TRUMP DODGED PERFECTLY AIMED SHOT
— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) July 17, 2024
Close-up footage reveals Thomas Crooks' shot was perfectly centered on Trump's head.
Trump’s 'head tilt' to look at a screen graphic and leaning into the microphone saved his life.
The footage was captured just seconds… pic.twitter.com/PDtNxBaAXy
Jack Bauer said:That is nothing less than a divine miracle to survive that.boognish_bear said:🚨🇺🇸NEW FOOTAGE SHOWS TRUMP DODGED PERFECTLY AIMED SHOT
— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) July 17, 2024
Close-up footage reveals Thomas Crooks' shot was perfectly centered on Trump's head.
Trump’s 'head tilt' to look at a screen graphic and leaning into the microphone saved his life.
The footage was captured just seconds… pic.twitter.com/PDtNxBaAXy
If he had not turned his head he would be unalive and Jan6 would look like Disneyland compared to the fallout of this failure.
The image would have been similar to JFK's xxx but up close ...boognish_bear said:Jack Bauer said:That is nothing less than a divine miracle to survive that.boognish_bear said:🚨🇺🇸NEW FOOTAGE SHOWS TRUMP DODGED PERFECTLY AIMED SHOT
— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) July 17, 2024
Close-up footage reveals Thomas Crooks' shot was perfectly centered on Trump's head.
Trump’s 'head tilt' to look at a screen graphic and leaning into the microphone saved his life.
The footage was captured just seconds… pic.twitter.com/PDtNxBaAXy
If he had not turned his head he would be unalive and Jan6 would look like Disneyland compared to the fallout of this failure.
I cannot really wrap my brain around what the aftermath in this country would've been if he had been killed.
🚨NEWS: Fox has learned that Senators were told in the all-member briefing today that Thomas Crooks wrote on a gaming platform called ‘Steam’, “July 13 will be my premiere, watch as it unfolds”
— Jacqui Heinrich (@JacquiHeinrich) July 18, 2024
When investigators reviewed the laptop, they found a few searches in July of: Trump,…
Thomas Sowell on the shooting of Trump:
— Eli Steele (@Hebro_Steele) July 16, 2024
“Over the years, too many people have used too many clever words to play down threats and violence. ‘No justice, no peace’ has been one of the more fashionable phrases. But some people’s idea of justice is some other people’s idea of… pic.twitter.com/4xB1Y5linM
boognish_bear said:Jack Bauer said:That is nothing less than a divine miracle to survive that.boognish_bear said:🚨🇺🇸NEW FOOTAGE SHOWS TRUMP DODGED PERFECTLY AIMED SHOT
— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) July 17, 2024
Close-up footage reveals Thomas Crooks' shot was perfectly centered on Trump's head.
Trump’s 'head tilt' to look at a screen graphic and leaning into the microphone saved his life.
The footage was captured just seconds… pic.twitter.com/PDtNxBaAXy
If he had not turned his head he would be unalive and Jan6 would look like Disneyland compared to the fallout of this failure.
I cannot really wrap my brain around what the aftermath in this country would've been if he had been killed.
Although the attempt to assassinate Donald Trump failed, it was part of a long and growing pattern of threats and violence that can be fatal to American society.Redbrickbear said:Thomas Sowell on the shooting of Trump:
— Eli Steele (@Hebro_Steele) July 16, 2024
“Over the years, too many people have used too many clever words to play down threats and violence. ‘No justice, no peace’ has been one of the more fashionable phrases. But some people’s idea of justice is some other people’s idea of… pic.twitter.com/4xB1Y5linM
Fre3dombear said:
The problem with people that truly believe this 20 year old dork just got the idea to do this is the order book of $DJT
Whoops.
FLBear5630 said:Fre3dombear said:
The problem with people that truly believe this 20 year old dork just got the idea to do this is the order book of $DJT
Whoops.
You guys really think that if the "Deep State", Big Tech or another State level org was behind an attempt on Trump, this is who they would use to do it???? This clown with his Daddy's AR in brought daylight exposed on a roof? That is their big shot to change the election?
It may have been a cluster or a local cop was in on it (my guess), but Black rock, Govt, Iran or Big Tech??? No way, this was amatuer hour all the way around on all sides.
Sorry, just don't see this kid as a serious "plan" to assassinate the leading candidate for the Presidency. I can't see this whole thing being brought forward to real pros and them saying "Yeah, this is worth doing...". That is where the whole "deep state" Government was in on it argument falls to pieces. The resources available and this 20 year old wearing brown clothes on a white roof exposed to where people in the audience are taking pictures is the "deep state's operative" to end Trump?Realitybites said:FLBear5630 said:Fre3dombear said:
The problem with people that truly believe this 20 year old dork just got the idea to do this is the order book of $DJT
Whoops.
You guys really think that if the "Deep State", Big Tech or another State level org was behind an attempt on Trump, this is who they would use to do it???? This clown with his Daddy's AR in brought daylight exposed on a roof? That is their big shot to change the election?
It may have been a cluster or a local cop was in on it (my guess), but Black rock, Govt, Iran or Big Tech??? No way, this was amatuer hour all the way around on all sides.
Intentional negligence hoping that amateur hour would show up and succeed. Now that has failed, alternatives include a professional attempt, WW3 and a delayed election, or something like this if Trump takes power:
"Imagine, if you will, that the smartest members of the ruling class have concluded that Trump is very likely to win; imagine, further that they believe economic calamity is unavoidable or global war is inevitable or necessary. If so, then it would make sense to allow Trump to be elected and then "accelerate" progress towards these events. Why?
If there is an economic collapse under Trump's administration (perhaps due to de-dollarization), he will be blamed in the same way that Herbert Hoover was blamed for the Great Depression; and just as Hoover's economic policies were utterly discredited for generations, so too will Trump's. Moreover, the resulting economic conditions might pave the way for a new Roosevelt on the Left with the usual socialist promises to make things better."
Actually they wouldn't have to wait for de-dollarization to occur organically. They could simply wait six months or so and the media would pivot to 'Oh nooos! Tariffs have spiked inflation!". Most of the establishment GOP would go along with that narrative initially, and the Federal Reserve would use it as an excuse to raise rates another 2-3 percentage points and crash the economy.
Once you understand that the government of these former United States is now in the service of evil, you realize there are few lengths its minions will not go to in an effort to maintain power.
Then she of all people should have known to never leave an elevated structure untended by Secret Service agents during a situation such as this one. She should be cashiered and her retirement/pension taken away for negligence which got a citizen killed and a Prez nominee almost killed, creating the greatest Constitutional crisis in the U.S. in my lifetime.Bestweekeverr said:boognish_bear said:Oldbear83 said:This comes back to Cheatle's resume. Her bio on the Secret Service official website tells usRedbrickbear said:Jack Bauer said:Doc Holliday said:
Either it was incompetence or an inside job.
If its the latter we will never know. If it was incompetence they will make excuses and nothing will change.
The statement that a slightly sloped roof is too dangerous for people who are supposed to be the elite is laughable.
That's like saying a street is too dangerous because it has speed bumps.
True or not its not an excuse that will NOT fly well with the average person in America or around the world.
1. It looks like a lie, "how can the most elite of USA protection units be afraid of a sloped roof?"
2. If it is true, it embarrasses the organization since the most elite of USA protection units are apparently afraid of a roof like that or the corporate culture is one of "Safetyism"
Its bad either way
"Ms. Cheatle served as Senior Director in Global Security at PepsiCo, where she was responsible for directing and implementing security protocols for the company's facilities in North America. Her role at PepsiCo involved developing risk management assessment and risk mitigation strategies."
https://www.secretservice.gov/about/leadership/director#:~:text=Kimberly%20Cheatle%20is%20the%2027th,to%20office%20September%2017%2C%202022.
That's a resume built on liability limitation and risk mitigation, not protecting the life of innocents,
She was - in my opinion obviously - the wrong hire for that position.
Would anything from her experience at PepsiCo security have involved defending threats of physical and deadly violence? I would think not.
Doesn't seem like the best resume builder for leading the Secret Service.
She had also served in the SS from Clinton, to Obama. She escorted Dick Cheney to the bunker on 9/11. She also served in their financial crimes division.
Wish I could give 10 stars for this postDoc Holliday said:
Either it was incompetence or an inside job.
If its the latter we will never know. If it was incompetence they will make excuses and nothing will change.
She should be fired for sure, just stating that she did have actual SS experience.drahthaar said:Then she of all people should have known to never leave an elevated structure untended by Secret Service agents during a situation such as this one. She should be cashiered and her retirement/pension taken away for negligence which got a citizen killed and a Prez nominee almost killed, creating the greatest Constitutional crisis in the U.S. in my lifetime.Bestweekeverr said:boognish_bear said:Oldbear83 said:This comes back to Cheatle's resume. Her bio on the Secret Service official website tells usRedbrickbear said:Jack Bauer said:Doc Holliday said:
Either it was incompetence or an inside job.
If its the latter we will never know. If it was incompetence they will make excuses and nothing will change.
The statement that a slightly sloped roof is too dangerous for people who are supposed to be the elite is laughable.
That's like saying a street is too dangerous because it has speed bumps.
True or not its not an excuse that will NOT fly well with the average person in America or around the world.
1. It looks like a lie, "how can the most elite of USA protection units be afraid of a sloped roof?"
2. If it is true, it embarrasses the organization since the most elite of USA protection units are apparently afraid of a roof like that or the corporate culture is one of "Safetyism"
Its bad either way
"Ms. Cheatle served as Senior Director in Global Security at PepsiCo, where she was responsible for directing and implementing security protocols for the company's facilities in North America. Her role at PepsiCo involved developing risk management assessment and risk mitigation strategies."
https://www.secretservice.gov/about/leadership/director#:~:text=Kimberly%20Cheatle%20is%20the%2027th,to%20office%20September%2017%2C%202022.
That's a resume built on liability limitation and risk mitigation, not protecting the life of innocents,
She was - in my opinion obviously - the wrong hire for that position.
Would anything from her experience at PepsiCo security have involved defending threats of physical and deadly violence? I would think not.
Doesn't seem like the best resume builder for leading the Secret Service.
She had also served in the SS from Clinton, to Obama. She escorted Dick Cheney to the bunker on 9/11. She also served in their financial crimes division.
