Walls & Security...

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Oldbear83
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Bringing facts to a circle jerk. You troll.
Media these days is more spin than facts. CNN, Fox, the days when 'journalists' cared more about accuracy than ratings are long gone.

The idea that people near the border oppose a wall is an out & out lie. Most want several things, ranging from a serious reform of immigration and enforcement policy to proactive border security. A wall (or barrier if the word 'wall' somehow triggers you) has always been part of the need.

Denying that fact does not do your argument credit.
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Oldbear83
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Sorry to tell you, but I think AOC has all the sycophants she needs right now, you don't need to throw out leftist idiocy in hopes she will notice you.
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Canada2017
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quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Oldbear83 said:

quash said:

riflebear said:

4 more murders, who cares right Chuck & Nancy?


That's not a crisis.
You are safe and secure at home. So yeah, for you there is no crisis.

For others, like Law Enforcement, people held hostage by the cartels, it's very different.

It's a tragedy, not a crisis.

You snowflakes are one step from cinque, all worked up enough to start banning guns just to save white people.


You are one step from living in a trash bin. Maybe your son will bail you out...but I hope not .

You are wrong. And a dick. Don't be a dick.


You are a loser. And a mediocrity.

At this point there is not a damn thing you can do about either .
He said without proof.


Years of your inane, attention begging posts has provided all the proof necessary.

The '4 deaths is not a crisis ' stupidity is only the latest example.

It is not a crisis. And pointing it out is not about getting attention, it is an appeal for reasonableness.



Troll .....when bloodshed occurs constantly from the same source ....and the cumulative death toll is in the thousands .....it is a crisis .





quash
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Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Oldbear83 said:

quash said:

riflebear said:

4 more murders, who cares right Chuck & Nancy?


That's not a crisis.
You are safe and secure at home. So yeah, for you there is no crisis.

For others, like Law Enforcement, people held hostage by the cartels, it's very different.

It's a tragedy, not a crisis.

You snowflakes are one step from cinque, all worked up enough to start banning guns just to save white people.


You are one step from living in a trash bin. Maybe your son will bail you out...but I hope not .

You are wrong. And a dick. Don't be a dick.


You are a loser. And a mediocrity.

At this point there is not a damn thing you can do about either .
He said without proof.


Years of your inane, attention begging posts has provided all the proof necessary.

The '4 deaths is not a crisis ' stupidity is only the latest example.

It is not a crisis. And pointing it out is not about getting attention, it is an appeal for reasonableness.



Troll .....when bloodshed occurs constantly from the same source ....and the cumulative death toll is in the thousands .....it is a crisis .






Believe the fear mongers if you so choose.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Oldbear83
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Believe the fear mongers if you so choose.
And you brought up Obama why?
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Canada2017
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quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Oldbear83 said:

quash said:

riflebear said:

4 more murders, who cares right Chuck & Nancy?


That's not a crisis.
You are safe and secure at home. So yeah, for you there is no crisis.

For others, like Law Enforcement, people held hostage by the cartels, it's very different.

It's a tragedy, not a crisis.

You snowflakes are one step from cinque, all worked up enough to start banning guns just to save white people.


You are one step from living in a trash bin. Maybe your son will bail you out...but I hope not .

You are wrong. And a dick. Don't be a dick.


You are a loser. And a mediocrity.

At this point there is not a damn thing you can do about either .
He said without proof.


Years of your inane, attention begging posts has provided all the proof necessary.

The '4 deaths is not a crisis ' stupidity is only the latest example.

It is not a crisis. And pointing it out is not about getting attention, it is an appeal for reasonableness.



Troll .....when bloodshed occurs constantly from the same source ....and the cumulative death toll is in the thousands .....it is a crisis .






Believe the fear mongers if you so choose.


Useless deflection from a useless individual.

Regardless, may those you care about continue to be immune.

For thousands of other families, it is already too late.

Waco1947
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Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Oldbear83 said:

quash said:

riflebear said:

4 more murders, who cares right Chuck & Nancy?


That's not a crisis.
You are safe and secure at home. So yeah, for you there is no crisis.

For others, like Law Enforcement, people held hostage by the cartels, it's very different.

It's a tragedy, not a crisis.

You snowflakes are one step from cinque, all worked up enough to start banning guns just to save white people.


You are one step from living in a trash bin. Maybe your son will bail you out...but I hope not .

You are wrong. And a dick. Don't be a dick.


You are a loser. And a mediocrity.

At this point there is not a damn thing you can do about either .
He said without proof.


Years of your inane, attention begging posts has provided all the proof necessary.

The '4 deaths is not a crisis ' stupidity is only the latest example.

It is not a crisis. And pointing it out is not about getting attention, it is an appeal for reasonableness.



Troll .....when bloodshed occurs constantly from the same source ....and the cumulative death toll is in the thousands .....it is a crisis .






Believe the fear mongers if you so choose.


Useless deflection from a useless individual.

Regardless, may those you care about continue to be immune.

For thousands of other families, it is already too late.


Do you the same sympathy for the nearly 40,000 who lost their lives by gun violence? Yet you did nothing.
Waco1947 ,la
Canada2017
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Waco1947 said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Oldbear83 said:

quash said:

riflebear said:

4 more murders, who cares right Chuck & Nancy?


That's not a crisis.
You are safe and secure at home. So yeah, for you there is no crisis.

For others, like Law Enforcement, people held hostage by the cartels, it's very different.

It's a tragedy, not a crisis.

You snowflakes are one step from cinque, all worked up enough to start banning guns just to save white people.


You are one step from living in a trash bin. Maybe your son will bail you out...but I hope not .

You are wrong. And a dick. Don't be a dick.


You are a loser. And a mediocrity.

At this point there is not a damn thing you can do about either .
He said without proof.


Years of your inane, attention begging posts has provided all the proof necessary.

The '4 deaths is not a crisis ' stupidity is only the latest example.

It is not a crisis. And pointing it out is not about getting attention, it is an appeal for reasonableness.



Troll .....when bloodshed occurs constantly from the same source ....and the cumulative death toll is in the thousands .....it is a crisis .






Believe the fear mongers if you so choose.


Useless deflection from a useless individual.

Regardless, may those you care about continue to be immune.

For thousands of other families, it is already too late.


Do you the same sympathy for the nearly 40,000 who lost their lives by gun violence? Yet you did nothing.



Did you have 'sympathy ' for all those who have died of cancer ? Prove it....right now.

Did you express 'sympathy' specifically for those who died from smoking cigarettes, from alcohol abuse, from heroin , from taking 12 feet of rope and hanging themselves ?

No ? What.....you did nothing ?????

What a horrible role model. Telling your nurse. No green Jello for you tonight .
Waco1947
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Canada2017 said:

Waco1947 said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Oldbear83 said:

quash said:

riflebear said:

4 more murders, who cares right Chuck & Nancy?


That's not a crisis.
You are safe and secure at home. So yeah, for you there is no crisis.

For others, like Law Enforcement, people held hostage by the cartels, it's very different.

It's a tragedy, not a crisis.

You snowflakes are one step from cinque, all worked up enough to start banning guns just to save white people.


You are one step from living in a trash bin. Maybe your son will bail you out...but I hope not .

You are wrong. And a dick. Don't be a dick.


You are a loser. And a mediocrity.

At this point there is not a damn thing you can do about either .
He said without proof.


Years of your inane, attention begging posts has provided all the proof necessary.

The '4 deaths is not a crisis ' stupidity is only the latest example.

It is not a crisis. And pointing it out is not about getting attention, it is an appeal for reasonableness.



Troll .....when bloodshed occurs constantly from the same source ....and the cumulative death toll is in the thousands .....it is a crisis .






Believe the fear mongers if you so choose.


Useless deflection from a useless individual.

Regardless, may those you care about continue to be immune.

For thousands of other families, it is already too late.


Do you the same sympathy for the nearly 40,000 who lost their lives by gun violence? Yet you did nothing.



Did you have 'sympathy ' for all those who have died of cancer ? Prove it....right now.

Did you express 'sympathy' specifically for those who died from smoking cigarettes, from alcohol abuse, from heroin , from taking 12 feet of rope and hanging themselves ?

No ? What.....you did nothing ?????

What a horrible role model. Telling your nurse. No green Jello for you tonight .
Yeah you caught me (no you didn't but I want you to feel good about yourself). Yes, I counseled dying cancer patients and their families, families in grief from suicide, etc. it's called a ministry of presence to the suffering and hurting of others but it was not only sympathy but also empathy. Empathy is better.
And remember I am headed to Mexico to build beds for asylum seekers. HFH in March and HFH tomorrow morning.
Waco1947 ,la
Oldbear83
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Just mentioning as a cancer survivor, that I am not impressed with virtue signaling,

I know those who give the kind of 'sympathy' which feeds their own ego, and I know those who do real good to help the patients and their family.

The second type don't brag.
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Waco1947
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Oldbear83 said:

Just mentioning as a cancer survivor, that I am not impressed with virtue signaling,

I know those who give the kind of 'sympathy' which feeds their own ego, and I know those who do real good to help the patients and their family.

The second type don't brag.
I was asked.
Waco1947 ,la
Oldbear83
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Waco1947 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Just mentioning as a cancer survivor, that I am not impressed with virtue signaling,

I know those who give the kind of 'sympathy' which feeds their own ego, and I know those who do real good to help the patients and their family.

The second type don't brag.
I was asked.
No, you chose to boast.
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Canada2017 said:

xiledinok said:

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xiledinok said:

The Trump fans are as delusional as stoned Afghan Fighters shooting at the stars at night.
The border wall is the most defective "needs tails cutoff" idea in the history of the United States.
Technology and human capacity is more effective than stupid fencing, which is already breached and not reliable.




Walls work. The San Diego area wall is a perfect example of how incredibly effective they are. Only a moron would deny the efficacy of walls.


All the opiates are shipped in through ports and they government cannot find a fence that works.
It's all about more men and women on the ground, technology and equipment.
They go over and under the current walls.


Comparatively very few go over or under a physical barrier .

Not sure why some folks insist on believing this . There are security cameras all along the El Paso wall and ground radar units to detect tunnels .
They can get 500 miles before the ICE bus comes back up to many middle country locations. I agree they need to add fencing in certain places and I believe that's been in every bill authored over the last several years.
These Central Americans are the problem. We can't keep them out without boots and equipment. The Central Americans are the ones without labor in the United States. The Central Americans don't have the finances to get across with ease.
Waco1947
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Oldbear83 said:

Waco1947 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Just mentioning as a cancer survivor, that I am not impressed with virtue signaling,

I know those who give the kind of 'sympathy' which feeds their own ego, and I know those who do real good to help the patients and their family.

The second type don't brag.
I was asked.
No, you chose to boast.
Canada was screaming "prove it now." So I did.
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Oldbear83
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No, that's just another lie from you, Waco. Canada simply pointed out your cheap shot attempt to throw guilt on law-abiding gun owners, just because of criminals and a small minority of people who would be evil with another weapon if they did not have a gun.

You threw out a cheap shot, so Canada explained that your argument is as invalid as demanding cancer be blamed on politics.

Then, when called on your hypocrisy, you actually doubled down and tried to play saint.

Damn you.

As a cancer survivor, who has seen people suffer pain, grief, despair, and the worst occasions of their lives, I say you are damned, Waco.

Not because you broke some doctrinal rule. Not because of politics. But because you played on cancer to sell yourself as a hero.

I have seen parents deal with a dying child. I have, as a fellow patient, shared end of life discussions with other patients who had my cancer but found it too late to survive. I have seen doctors cry because they could not stop a cancer.

I am no hero. But I know what they do, how they behave. I know what real people of faith do.

I pity you, Waco. You don't even understand the corruption of your soul.
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cinque
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As a cancer survivor, one would think you'd be nicer and a more willing vehicle of grace.
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cinque said:

As a cancer survivor, one would think you'd be nicer and a more willing vehicle of grace.
As a cancer survivor, I love all who help patients and their families. I have no respect for those who would use patients as a pawn for their own ego.

Serious question - have you ever spent a significant amount of time with someone who knew they were going to die soon from an incurable disease? If so, who did you respect, of the people around them?

I say it again. The real people of character don't try to score ego off being around a dying patient.
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Oldbear83 said:

cinque said:

As a cancer survivor, one would think you'd be nicer and a more willing vehicle of grace.
As a cancer survivor, I love all who help patients and their families. I have no respect for those who would use patients as a pawn for their own ego.

Serious question - have you ever spent a significant amount of time with someone who knew they were going to die soon from an incurable disease? If so, who did you respect, of the people around them?

I say it again. The real people of character don't try to score ego off being around a dying patient.
Yes I have.
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Waco1947
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I was asked. I answered.
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quash
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Oldbear83 said:

Waco1947 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Just mentioning as a cancer survivor, that I am not impressed with virtue signaling,

I know those who give the kind of 'sympathy' which feeds their own ego, and I know those who do real good to help the patients and their family.

The second type don't brag.
I was asked.
No, you chose to boast.

He was asked and didn't deflect. Be honest.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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5 dead in Florida. What kind of crisis is that?
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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Waco1947 said:

Canada2017 said:

Waco1947 said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Oldbear83 said:

quash said:

riflebear said:

4 more murders, who cares right Chuck & Nancy?


That's not a crisis.
You are safe and secure at home. So yeah, for you there is no crisis.

For others, like Law Enforcement, people held hostage by the cartels, it's very different.

It's a tragedy, not a crisis.

You snowflakes are one step from cinque, all worked up enough to start banning guns just to save white people.


You are one step from living in a trash bin. Maybe your son will bail you out...but I hope not .

You are wrong. And a dick. Don't be a dick.


You are a loser. And a mediocrity.

At this point there is not a damn thing you can do about either .
He said without proof.


Years of your inane, attention begging posts has provided all the proof necessary.

The '4 deaths is not a crisis ' stupidity is only the latest example.

It is not a crisis. And pointing it out is not about getting attention, it is an appeal for reasonableness.



Troll .....when bloodshed occurs constantly from the same source ....and the cumulative death toll is in the thousands .....it is a crisis .






Believe the fear mongers if you so choose.


Useless deflection from a useless individual.

Regardless, may those you care about continue to be immune.

For thousands of other families, it is already too late.


Do you the same sympathy for the nearly 40,000 who lost their lives by gun violence? Yet you did nothing.



Did you have 'sympathy ' for all those who have died of cancer ? Prove it....right now.

Did you express 'sympathy' specifically for those who died from smoking cigarettes, from alcohol abuse, from heroin , from taking 12 feet of rope and hanging themselves ?

No ? What.....you did nothing ?????

What a horrible role model. Telling your nurse. No green Jello for you tonight .
Yeah you caught me (no you didn't but I want you to feel good about yourself). Yes, I counseled dying cancer patients and their families, families in grief from suicide, etc. it's called a ministry of presence to the suffering and hurting of others but it was not only sympathy but also empathy. Empathy is better.
And remember I am headed to Mexico to build beds for asylum seekers. HFH in March and HFH tomorrow morning.


Interesting

Meanwhile we are in a 10th floor ocean side suite in West Palm Beach. It's a tough ministry but one does the best one can.

Back at the homeless shelter on Monday . Nothing dramatic ....sorting donations I've collected on my pickup then hauling the trash of the shelter to the landfill .

Canada 2017
Oldbear83
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Not true.

You made a dumb attempt to guilt people.

You got called on it.

You decided to virtue signal.

You need to walk all of that back and try to be a decent person instead of a SJW.
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Oldbear83
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Q: "He was asked and didn't deflect. Be honest."

My statement was honest. Yours was not.

Virtue signalling is nothing but hubris, and you are proving yourself a left-wing bigot more and more by defending such tactics, quash.

You are not fooling any of the adults.
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good read -

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Chris Ramirez

January 23, 2019 10:32 PM

HIDALGO COUNTY, N.M.- There are so many voices, all of them important, in the national debate about border funding.

Tribal politics has pitted the country into "us versus them." This very debate has also paralyzed the federal government in the longest shutdown in our country's history. But ranchers who live and work in New Mexico's Boot Heel feel like their voices haven't been heard on this issue, even though border issues affect their daily lives.

New Mexico's Boot Heel sits in Hidalgo County, wedged between Arizona and Mexico. The county shares 87 miles of its boundary with Mexico and there is no border wall in Hidalgo County.

New Mexico ranchers frustrated with situation along U.S.-Mexico border
"We have to get the word out that we have a crisis down here," Tricia Elrock told the KOB 4 Investigates team during a recent visit to Hidalgo County. In fact, our visit prompted an impromptu town hall by ranchers who wanted to tell us what they were seeing on a daily basis.

"It's not getting any better, it's getting worse and there is now an influx of people," said Billy Darnell. "We know something is going to happen every day we go out."

KOB 4 asked if any of them had been victimized by people who they believe to be undocumented immigrants. All but one raised their hands to state yes.

"We've had vehicles stolen," said Randy Massey.

"They've had bundles of weed, coke and carrying heavy artillery," said Cammi Moore.

"The worst part of it, we had an employee kidnapped. And that was probably the worst night of my entire life until we got him back,' said Elrock.

"It's getting to the point where these confrontations are getting more aggressive and more and more violent," said Kris Massey.

Part of the problem, as the ranchers see it, is the lack of barriers between the U.S. and Mexico. In parts of Hidalgo County, the countries are separated, in some places, by Normandy barriers.

Normandy barriers are a series of 3 -5 feet high steel cross jacks that would deter a motorist, but humans could easily go under or over them. The boundary with Hidalgo County and Mexico is separated by a 5-foot high barbed wire fence. In some areas, there are gates that easily open.

Ranchers told KOB 4 that drug smugglers often open those gates and drive drugs into the U.S.

In the last few weeks, the U.S. Customs and Border Protection has sent news releases out that illustrate the ranchers' concerns. On January 16th, U.S. CBP reported that a group of 247 migrants turned themselves in near the Antelope Wells Port of Entry in Hidalgo County. Two days later, U.S. CBP released night video showing a group of migrants jumping over the Normandy barriers. Many, if not all, of the migrants are asylum seekers.

The ranchers believe the real problem is the drug smugglers.

Lack of help

When a crime occurs on ranch land, they call the Hidalgo County Sheriff's Office for help, but the sheriff admits help is not always available.

"The citizens aren't protected," said Hidalgo County Sheriff Warren Walter. "We need to have more manpower."

The Sheriff's Office only has four working deputies to cover 3,500 square miles.

"With my four officers days off, vacation time, sick leave-- we can't cover 24 hours a day," said Sheriff Walter. "We are basically 6 a.m. to 10 p.m. at night. That's the best I can do. In my honest opinion, that's not fair to the citizens of the county."

And when a deputy is at the border responding to a crime, that leaves the rest of the county unmanned. The situation is so desperate, the Hidalgo County Manager wrote a letter to the governor and Senators Martin Heinrich and Tom Udall, begging for more assistance.

Hidalgo County Manager Tisha Green wrote in part, "we feel there is an imminent threat to the safety and welfare of our citizens in Hidalgo County. Resources such as medical, law enforcement and sanitation are amongst those most needed."

"The calls I get from citizens, they state there are people in their backyards, they are seeing several on a daily basis, and people are breaking into their homes, stealing different items. They feel like they are not safe, not protected" Green told KOB during an interview, in response to her letter.

Ranchers and Hidalgo County officials hope the state can help fund more deputies. They also want Santa Fe politicians to see what they are seeing. In early January, Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham visited the Santa Teresa Port of Entry in Dona Ana County and said she didn't see a crisis.

"While I've been to this area of the border many times, I haven't seen anything that indicates that we have an emergency crisis here at the border and that's important to talk to New Mexicans about and I also think it's important to talk to the nation about."

The governor's words deeply offended the ranchers.

"The asinine idea that these politicians spout out that 'oh our border is secure, there is not a crisis here.' For them, there is not. They live in Washington or they live in Santa Fe and they only come here to secure ports. It's a crock. And it's absolutely insulting to the people who live down here," Kris Massey stated during an impromptu town hall.

In response to the ranchers' thoughts, the governor's spokesman sent a statement:

"There is not an emergency crisis at the border that warrants the asinine and anti-American anti-immigration tactics endorsed by the president and his minions; that's the proper context for the governor's remarks, and the full story of what she was expressing. No doubt, as she mentioned many, many times at the border, and as I'm sure you mentioned to these ranchers, one of her key priorities is doing the work to ensure the public safety of New Mexicans, making data-driven decisions instead of political decisions, and the chance to begin to identify what is working and what is not working was one of the key rationales for her visit to the border. That was made abundantly clear in her remarks at the border. What will not work is a wall; what isn't working currently is treating asylees like criminals. That is what she meant by that comment, and one would hope these folks can see the context in which it was presented, and the governor recognizes their concerns." -- Tripp Stelnicki, spokesman for Gov. Lujan Grisham.

For those living in New Mexico's Boot Heel, they don't really care about the politics of the border.

"It's not about Democrats or Republicans here, it's our lives here," Elrock stated.

For them, they just want more help. They want more local law enforcement. And they would like the federal government to come up with a plan that stops the inflow of illegal drugs onto their lands.
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quash
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Oldbear83 said:

Q: "He was asked and didn't deflect. Be honest."

My statement was honest. Yours was not.

Virtue signalling is nothing but hubris, and you are proving yourself a left-wing bigot more and more by defending such tactics, quash.

You are not fooling any of the adults.
Here is what Canada said: "Did you have 'sympathy ' for all those who have died of cancer ? Prove it....right now."

Waco didn't brag, or enlarge, he merely stated what his personal experience was in this area.

You tried to call him out and failed, basic lack of integrity, and then went all emotional on me, seeing left wing politics in an attempt to correct the record.

The record stands. You aren't even fooling the kids.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Florda_mike
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Canada2017 said:

Waco1947 said:

Canada2017 said:

Waco1947 said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Oldbear83 said:

quash said:

riflebear said:

4 more murders, who cares right Chuck & Nancy?


That's not a crisis.
You are safe and secure at home. So yeah, for you there is no crisis.

For others, like Law Enforcement, people held hostage by the cartels, it's very different.

It's a tragedy, not a crisis.

You snowflakes are one step from cinque, all worked up enough to start banning guns just to save white people.


You are one step from living in a trash bin. Maybe your son will bail you out...but I hope not .

You are wrong. And a dick. Don't be a dick.


You are a loser. And a mediocrity.

At this point there is not a damn thing you can do about either .
He said without proof.


Years of your inane, attention begging posts has provided all the proof necessary.

The '4 deaths is not a crisis ' stupidity is only the latest example.

It is not a crisis. And pointing it out is not about getting attention, it is an appeal for reasonableness.



Troll .....when bloodshed occurs constantly from the same source ....and the cumulative death toll is in the thousands .....it is a crisis .






Believe the fear mongers if you so choose.


Useless deflection from a useless individual.

Regardless, may those you care about continue to be immune.

For thousands of other families, it is already too late.


Do you the same sympathy for the nearly 40,000 who lost their lives by gun violence? Yet you did nothing.



Did you have 'sympathy ' for all those who have died of cancer ? Prove it....right now.

Did you express 'sympathy' specifically for those who died from smoking cigarettes, from alcohol abuse, from heroin , from taking 12 feet of rope and hanging themselves ?

No ? What.....you did nothing ?????

What a horrible role model. Telling your nurse. No green Jello for you tonight .
Yeah you caught me (no you didn't but I want you to feel good about yourself). Yes, I counseled dying cancer patients and their families, families in grief from suicide, etc. it's called a ministry of presence to the suffering and hurting of others but it was not only sympathy but also empathy. Empathy is better.
And remember I am headed to Mexico to build beds for asylum seekers. HFH in March and HFH tomorrow morning.


Interesting

Meanwhile we are in a 10th floor ocean side suite in West Palm Beach. It's a tough ministry but one does the best one can.

Back at the homeless shelter on Monday . Nothing dramatic ....sorting donations I've collected on my pickup then hauling the trash of the shelter to the landfill .

Canada 2017


Keeps ya grounded doesn't it, bud

I can relate
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Florda_mike said:

Canada2017 said:

Waco1947 said:

Canada2017 said:

Waco1947 said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Canada2017 said:

quash said:

Oldbear83 said:

quash said:

riflebear said:

4 more murders, who cares right Chuck & Nancy?


That's not a crisis.
You are safe and secure at home. So yeah, for you there is no crisis.

For others, like Law Enforcement, people held hostage by the cartels, it's very different.

It's a tragedy, not a crisis.

You snowflakes are one step from cinque, all worked up enough to start banning guns just to save white people.


You are one step from living in a trash bin. Maybe your son will bail you out...but I hope not .

You are wrong. And a dick. Don't be a dick.


You are a loser. And a mediocrity.

At this point there is not a damn thing you can do about either .
He said without proof.


Years of your inane, attention begging posts has provided all the proof necessary.

The '4 deaths is not a crisis ' stupidity is only the latest example.

It is not a crisis. And pointing it out is not about getting attention, it is an appeal for reasonableness.



Troll .....when bloodshed occurs constantly from the same source ....and the cumulative death toll is in the thousands .....it is a crisis .






Believe the fear mongers if you so choose.


Useless deflection from a useless individual.

Regardless, may those you care about continue to be immune.

For thousands of other families, it is already too late.


Do you the same sympathy for the nearly 40,000 who lost their lives by gun violence? Yet you did nothing.



Did you have 'sympathy ' for all those who have died of cancer ? Prove it....right now.

Did you express 'sympathy' specifically for those who died from smoking cigarettes, from alcohol abuse, from heroin , from taking 12 feet of rope and hanging themselves ?

No ? What.....you did nothing ?????

What a horrible role model. Telling your nurse. No green Jello for you tonight .
Yeah you caught me (no you didn't but I want you to feel good about yourself). Yes, I counseled dying cancer patients and their families, families in grief from suicide, etc. it's called a ministry of presence to the suffering and hurting of others but it was not only sympathy but also empathy. Empathy is better.
And remember I am headed to Mexico to build beds for asylum seekers. HFH in March and HFH tomorrow morning.


Interesting

Meanwhile we are in a 10th floor ocean side suite in West Palm Beach. It's a tough ministry but one does the best one can.

Back at the homeless shelter on Monday . Nothing dramatic ....sorting donations I've collected on my pickup then hauling the trash of the shelter to the landfill .

Canada 2017


Keeps ya grounded doesn't it, bud

I can relate


Yeah...gets to me sometimes . Especially when there are little kids involved or a truly decent young man with obvious mental issues .

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You lie poorly, quash.

I guess you're not the next AOC.
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You lie poorly, quash.

I guess you're not the next AOC.
Baleeted.
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well, if you're trying to abandon English, congrats, but it's still not going to get you on CNN.
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Quash said: "Here is what Canada said: "Did you have 'sympathy ' for all those who have died of cancer ? Prove it....right now."

Let's see. That particular exchange started when Waco tried to make conservatives feel guilty about "gun violence", asking:

"Do you the same sympathy for the nearly 40,000 who lost their lives by gun violence? Yet you did nothing."

This was in response to four murders by an illegal alien.
https://t.co/5kBOyKt8Wp

As I recall, you were unimpressed with murder as a crisis, That's a moral issue a decent man would stop to reconsider, but for here we were discussing Waco's political grandstanding.

So, Canada asked Waco to prove he had sympathy for those who died from cancer. As someone with cancer, I have more than passing experience with pretty much all aspects of cancer.
So you said this about Waco's response:

"Waco didn't brag, or enlarge, he merely stated what his personal experience was in this area."

That's a lie. Here's what Waco said:

" I counseled dying cancer patients and their families, families in grief from suicide, etc. it's called a ministry of presence to the suffering and hurting of others but it was not only sympathy but also empathy. Empathy is better. And remember I am headed to Mexico to build beds for asylum seekers. HFH in March and HFH tomorrow morning."

Waco claimed to be a counselor to patients and their families, which requires special credentials he does not possess and before now did not even claim.

Ergo, he both bragged and lied in that claim.

He then claimed to have empathy with cancer patients, which is another lie. You don't know what it is to have cancer unless you have cancer, just like you don't know what it is like to be raped unless you have been raped, and you don't know what it is like to be shot unless you have actually been shot.

Only an arrogant ass would claim to have empathy with cancer patients. I recall a conversation with my oncologist at M.D. Anderson, when we first met. He explained what they would be doing to start, and finished his introduction by telling me, 'I admit that I can only guess what you are experiencing. We have experience helping patients, but every case is unique, and I won't pretend to understand everything you are feeling and enduring.'

When a senior surgeon with over a decade of leading a department of oncology does not presume to understand what a cancer patient endures, I find it absurd to read the arrogant claims of a pompous narcissist who claims to 'empathize' with cancer patients or their families.

Waco went on to boast about heading off to Mexico on another grand adventure, which had nothing to do with cancer patients or Canada's question.

And for the record, all Waco's boasts hardly amount to 'proof'. Granted, it's well-nigh impossible to prove a thing like sympathy, although someone generally does well in that regard to express compassion for the victims, to seek meaningful solutions, and to respect a reasoned opinion. Waco's response was about himself, not the victims, which says quite a bit which helps his claim not at all.

You then insulted me, which is becoming rather a habit for you these days. Perhaps that is why you find such common opinion with Waco.

Your words are clear, but they prove rather a different result than you suppose, sir.




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Quash said: "Here is what Canada said: "Did you have 'sympathy ' for all those who have died of cancer ? Prove it....right now."

Let's see. That particular exchange started when Waco tried to make conservatives feel guilty about "gun violence", asking:

"Do you the same sympathy for the nearly 40,000 who lost their lives by gun violence? Yet you did nothing."

This was in response to four murders by an illegal alien.
https://t.co/5kBOyKt8Wp

As I recall, you were unimpressed with murder as a crisis, That's a moral issue a decent man would stop to reconsider, but for here we were discussing Waco's political grandstanding.

So, Canada asked Waco to prove he had sympathy for those who died from cancer. As someone with cancer, I have more than passing experience with pretty much all aspects of cancer.
So you said this about Waco's response:

"Waco didn't brag, or enlarge, he merely stated what his personal experience was in this area."

That's a lie. Here's what Waco said:

" I counseled dying cancer patients and their families, families in grief from suicide, etc. it's called a ministry of presence to the suffering and hurting of others but it was not only sympathy but also empathy. Empathy is better. And remember I am headed to Mexico to build beds for asylum seekers. HFH in March and HFH tomorrow morning."

Waco claimed to be a counselor to patients and their families, which requires special credentials he does not possess and before now did not even claim.

Ergo, he both bragged and lied in that claim.

He then claimed to have empathy with cancer patients, which is another lie. You don't know what it is to have cancer unless you have cancer, just like you don't know what it is like to be raped unless you have been raped, and you don't know what it is like to be shot unless you have actually been shot.

Only an arrogant ass would claim to have empathy with cancer patients. I recall a conversation with my oncologist at M.D. Anderson, when we first met. He explained what they would be doing to start, and finished his introduction by telling me, 'I admit that I can only guess what you are experiencing. We have experience helping patients, but every case is unique, and I won't pretend to understand everything you are feeling and enduring.'

When a senior surgeon with over a decade of leading a department of oncology does not presume to understand what a cancer patient endures, I find it absurd to read the arrogant claims of a pompous narcissist who claims to 'empathize' with cancer patients or their families.

Waco went on to boast about heading off to Mexico on another grand adventure, which had nothing to do with cancer patients or Canada's question.

And for the record, all Waco's boasts hardly amount to 'proof'. Granted, it's well-nigh impossible to prove a thing like sympathy, although someone generally does well in that regard to express compassion for the victims, to seek meaningful solutions, and to respect a reasoned opinion. Waco's response was about himself, not the victims, which says quite a bit which helps his claim not at all.

You then insulted me, which is becoming rather a habit for you these days. Perhaps that is why you find such common opinion with Waco.

Your words are clear, but they prove rather a different result than you suppose, sir.






Why do you make up stuff about Waco?
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I do not "make up stuff about Waco".

Why do you defend his lies?
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Oldbear83 said:

I do not "make up stuff about Waco".

Why do you defend his lies?

You don't know him, quit oretending you do.
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