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Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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You're being quite the ass again, quash.

In case it was accidental this time.

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How much assistance is given to each student? The post says college is "free". It is not. As with any system of state aid some get more some get less.

if I am wrong just show me your source.

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Hey dummy

Do you know what illegal means? Serious question as you act like you have no clue

You shouldn't need a "source!!!"

The only thing someone receives for free when doing something illegal has historically been, JAIL OR PRISON(3 hots and a cot!)

You democrats are doing your best to change the meaning of "illegal" to get democrat votes, but the only free thing "illegals" deserve is jail or worse and that's a fact, jack!

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Seriously, put me on ignore. You know you get triggered by words like: source, facts, data, proof, rationale...

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No I get triggered by leftist idiots like you that can't calculate what's best for themselves, long term!

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Any thoughts on the wall?

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If built it should be named The Maginot Line.

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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quash said:

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Any thoughts on the wall?

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If built it should be named The Maginot Line.

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If border security is done properly (which includes a wall as a major part of it), there won't be a way to "go around it" as there was with the Maginot Line.

And you have to know a bit about European/World History to understand the preceding comment.

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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quash said:

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Any thoughts on the wall?

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If built it should be named The Maginot Line.

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Well, that worked fine until the Germans used tanks. You figure the illegals will have armored transport?

Johnny Bear said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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quash said:

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Any thoughts on the wall?

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If built it should be named The Maginot Line.

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If border security is done properly (which includes a wall as a major part of it), there won't be a way to "go around it" as there was with the Maginot Line.

And you have to know a bit about European/World History to understand the preceding comment.

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chuckle

Doubt one American in a thousand knows about the Maginot Line and the tactics that defeated it .

Folks don't read much anymore .

Johnny Bear said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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quash said:

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Any thoughts on the wall?

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If built it should be named The Maginot Line.

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If border security is done properly (which includes a wall as a major part of it), there won't be a way to "go around it" as there was with the Maginot Line.

And you have to know a bit about European/World History to understand the preceding comment.

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Ports of Entry. Tunnels. Boats. Drones, in the not too distant future. Maginot is a great name for a failure to learn from history.

Canada2017 said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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quash said:

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Any thoughts on the wall?

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If built it should be named The Maginot Line.

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If border security is done properly (which includes a wall as a major part of it), there won't be a way to "go around it" as there was with the Maginot Line.

And you have to know a bit about European/World History to understand the preceding comment.

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chuckle

Doubt one American in a thousand knows about the Maginot Line and the tactics that defeated it .

Folks don't read much anymore .

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The irony is that it worked exactly as it was supposed to. The failure was elsewhere.

Drones are great for taking photos and video. Not so much for actually stopping a damn thing.

I don't understand why they just don't tear down their walls, open their doors & windows and monitor everything with drones?

Oldbear83 said:

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Drones are great for taking photos and video. Not so much for actually stopping a damn thing.

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I didn't say they did. Quite the opposite.

quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Drones are great for taking photos and video. Not so much for actually stopping a damn thing.

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I didn't say they did. Quite the opposite.

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So why oppose reasonable border security, which starts with a wall?

Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Drones are great for taking photos and video. Not so much for actually stopping a damn thing.

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I didn't say they did. Quite the opposite.

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So why oppose reasonable border security, which starts with a wall?

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Because there are folks who wish to fundamentally alter the culture of the United States.

Most of whom have never been to central or South America for any serious amount of time .

So they are basically clueless of the consequences.

Canada2017 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Drones are great for taking photos and video. Not so much for actually stopping a damn thing.

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I didn't say they did. Quite the opposite.

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So why oppose reasonable border security, which starts with a wall?

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Because there are folks who wish to fundamentally alter the culture of the United States.

Most of whom have never been to central or South America for any serious amount of time .

So they are basically clueless of the consequences.

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I've never met anybody who fits your description.

quash said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Drones are great for taking photos and video. Not so much for actually stopping a damn thing.

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I didn't say they did. Quite the opposite.

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So why oppose reasonable border security, which starts with a wall?

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Because there are folks who wish to fundamentally alter the culture of the United States.

Most of whom have never been to central or South America for any serious amount of time .

So they are basically clueless of the consequences.

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I've never met anybody who fits your description.

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I have. Maybe you don't get out enough.

Your blind to the negative aspects of illegal immigration because you want to believe it's simple as people wanting a better life. Over here in reality we see they use our resources, hospitals, schools, we give them billions in taxpayers funds. They hate white people, they hate America and they want to take it back.

You are naive.

At some point in my lifetime there will be 70 million illegal immigrants Quash. You cannot support 70 million ****ing people and expect taxpayers and our ****ty politicians to handle it.

Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Drones are great for taking photos and video. Not so much for actually stopping a damn thing.

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I didn't say they did. Quite the opposite.

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So why oppose reasonable border security, which starts with a wall?

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Because there are folks who wish to fundamentally alter the culture of the United States.

Most of whom have never been to central or South America for any serious amount of time .

So they are basically clueless of the consequences.

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I've never met anybody who fits your description.

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I have. Maybe you don't get out enough.

Your blind to the negative aspects of illegal immigration because you want to believe it's simple as people wanting a better life. Over here in reality we see they use our resources, hospitals, schools, we give them billions in taxpayers funds. They hate white people, they hate America and they want to take it back.

You are naive.

At some point in my lifetime there will be 70 million illegal immigrants Quash. You cannot support 70 million ****ing people and expect taxpayers and our ****ty politicians to handle it.

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And you are blind to evidence. I've given you data, repeatedly, that shows your assertions are just flat wrong. Your best evidence is anecdotal, which has some value but it fails to rebut empirical evidence, and logic.

But here's my root opposition: you want the state to limit freedom. Pass. Hard pass.

Quash once again declares victory, declares his opinion facts just because the claims come from a source he likes.

quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Drones are great for taking photos and video. Not so much for actually stopping a damn thing.

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I didn't say they did. Quite the opposite.

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So why oppose reasonable border security, which starts with a wall?

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Because there are folks who wish to fundamentally alter the culture of the United States.

Most of whom have never been to central or South America for any serious amount of time .

So they are basically clueless of the consequences.

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I've never met anybody who fits your description.

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I have. Maybe you don't get out enough.

Your blind to the negative aspects of illegal immigration because you want to believe it's simple as people wanting a better life. Over here in reality we see they use our resources, hospitals, schools, we give them billions in taxpayers funds. They hate white people, they hate America and they want to take it back.

You are naive.

At some point in my lifetime there will be 70 million illegal immigrants Quash. You cannot support 70 million ****ing people and expect taxpayers and our ****ty politicians to handle it.

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And you are blind to evidence. I've given you data, repeatedly, that shows your assertions are just flat wrong. Your best evidence is anecdotal, which has some value but it fails to rebut empirical evidence, and logic.

But here's my root opposition: you want the state to limit freedom. Pass. Hard pass.

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Right now there are 22+ million illegal immigrants and they cost well over $150 billion a year. Plus they don't contribute what they should towards our economy.

These are cold hard facts.

We already have an epidemic on our hands.

The reason ya'll are against the wall is because it will work. The reason you're for open borders is because you think in ideals instead of reality.

This colossal failure on the train of virtue signaling by you dumbass hippy baby boomers will be my generations undoing.

Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Drones are great for taking photos and video. Not so much for actually stopping a damn thing.

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I didn't say they did. Quite the opposite.

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So why oppose reasonable border security, which starts with a wall?

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Because there are folks who wish to fundamentally alter the culture of the United States.

Most of whom have never been to central or South America for any serious amount of time .

So they are basically clueless of the consequences.

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I've never met anybody who fits your description.

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I have. Maybe you don't get out enough.

Your blind to the negative aspects of illegal immigration because you want to believe it's simple as people wanting a better life. Over here in reality we see they use our resources, hospitals, schools, we give them billions in taxpayers funds. They hate white people, they hate America and they want to take it back.

You are naive.

At some point in my lifetime there will be 70 million illegal immigrants Quash. You cannot support 70 million ****ing people and expect taxpayers and our ****ty politicians to handle it.

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And you are blind to evidence. I've given you data, repeatedly, that shows your assertions are just flat wrong. Your best evidence is anecdotal, which has some value but it fails to rebut empirical evidence, and logic.

But here's my root opposition: you want the state to limit freedom. Pass. Hard pass.

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Right now there are 22+ million illegal immigrants and they cost well over $150 billion a year. Plus they don't contribute what they should towards our economy.

These are cold hard facts.

We already have an epidemic on our hands.

The reason ya'll are against the wall is because it will work. The reason you're for open borders is because you think in ideals instead of reality.

This colossal failure on the train of virtue signaling by you dumbass hippy baby boomers will be my generations undoing.

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From last month, "DHS estimates that 12.0 million illegal aliens were living in the United States in January 2015." Maybe that number has doubled under Trump but I doubt it.

You are welcome to define "contribution" any way you like but undocumented immigrants are contributing to the economy such that everyone gets about a 1% boost to household income.

Get the state out of the labor market.

quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Drones are great for taking photos and video. Not so much for actually stopping a damn thing.

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I didn't say they did. Quite the opposite.

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So why oppose reasonable border security, which starts with a wall?

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Because there are folks who wish to fundamentally alter the culture of the United States.

Most of whom have never been to central or South America for any serious amount of time .

So they are basically clueless of the consequences.

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I've never met anybody who fits your description.

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I have. Maybe you don't get out enough.

Your blind to the negative aspects of illegal immigration because you want to believe it's simple as people wanting a better life. Over here in reality we see they use our resources, hospitals, schools, we give them billions in taxpayers funds. They hate white people, they hate America and they want to take it back.

You are naive.

At some point in my lifetime there will be 70 million illegal immigrants Quash. You cannot support 70 million ****ing people and expect taxpayers and our ****ty politicians to handle it.

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And you are blind to evidence. I've given you data, repeatedly, that shows your assertions are just flat wrong. Your best evidence is anecdotal, which has some value but it fails to rebut empirical evidence, and logic.

But here's my root opposition: you want the state to limit freedom. Pass. Hard pass.

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Right now there are 22+ million illegal immigrants and they cost well over $150 billion a year. Plus they don't contribute what they should towards our economy.

These are cold hard facts.

We already have an epidemic on our hands.

The reason ya'll are against the wall is because it will work. The reason you're for open borders is because you think in ideals instead of reality.

This colossal failure on the train of virtue signaling by you dumbass hippy baby boomers will be my generations undoing.

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From last month, "DHS estimates that 12.0 million illegal aliens were living in the United States in January 2015." Maybe that number has doubled under Trump but I doubt it.

You are welcome to define "contribution" any way you like but undocumented immigrants are contributing to the economy such that everyone gets about a 1% boost to household income.

Get the state out of the labor market.

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The state is corrupt and will NEVER get out of the labor market!
Get real man. Seriously. You're an idealist and your vision will never come to fruition.

Illegal immigrants cost more than they contribute. That is a fact.

Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Drones are great for taking photos and video. Not so much for actually stopping a damn thing.

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I didn't say they did. Quite the opposite.

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So why oppose reasonable border security, which starts with a wall?

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Because there are folks who wish to fundamentally alter the culture of the United States.

Most of whom have never been to central or South America for any serious amount of time .

So they are basically clueless of the consequences.

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I've never met anybody who fits your description.

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I have. Maybe you don't get out enough.

Your blind to the negative aspects of illegal immigration because you want to believe it's simple as people wanting a better life. Over here in reality we see they use our resources, hospitals, schools, we give them billions in taxpayers funds. They hate white people, they hate America and they want to take it back.

You are naive.

At some point in my lifetime there will be 70 million illegal immigrants Quash. You cannot support 70 million ****ing people and expect taxpayers and our ****ty politicians to handle it.

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And you are blind to evidence. I've given you data, repeatedly, that shows your assertions are just flat wrong. Your best evidence is anecdotal, which has some value but it fails to rebut empirical evidence, and logic.

But here's my root opposition: you want the state to limit freedom. Pass. Hard pass.

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Right now there are 22+ million illegal immigrants and they cost well over $150 billion a year. Plus they don't contribute what they should towards our economy.

These are cold hard facts.

We already have an epidemic on our hands.

The reason ya'll are against the wall is because it will work. The reason you're for open borders is because you think in ideals instead of reality.

This colossal failure on the train of virtue signaling by you dumbass hippy baby boomers will be my generations undoing.

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From last month, "DHS estimates that 12.0 million illegal aliens were living in the United States in January 2015." Maybe that number has doubled under Trump but I doubt it.

You are welcome to define "contribution" any way you like but undocumented immigrants are contributing to the economy such that everyone gets about a 1% boost to household income.

Get the state out of the labor market.

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The state is corrupt and will NEVER get out of the labor market!
Get real man. Seriously. You're an idealist and your vision will never come to fruition.

Illegal immigrants cost more than they contribute. That is a fact.

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That is not a fact. I started a thread refuting that very point. You could look it up, it was here not BF.

Oldbear83 said:

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Quash once again declares victory, declares his opinion facts just because the claims come from a source he likes.

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Nothing to see here...

yes and they seized the loot at the border crossing, not in the middle of the desert

J.R. said:

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yes and they seized the loot at the border crossing, not in the middle of the desert

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This has no correlation to drugs, illegals and human trafficking that does go through the desert .

For What It's Worth...


The southern end of the El Paso-Bush wall terminates below Fort Hancock Texas .

It certainly is a desert .....and I have seen groups crossing the very shallow Rio Grand River from Mexico into the US in this extremely isolated area.

Have no idea if they were illegals, drug smugglers or whatever . But they were on foot and certainly wanted my truck.

Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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yes and they seized the loot at the border crossing, not in the middle of the desert

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This has no correlation to drugs, illegals and human trafficking that does go through the desert .

For What It's Worth...


The southern end of the El Paso-Bush wall terminates below Fort Hancock Texas .

It certainly is a desert .....and I have seen groups crossing the very shallow Rio Grand River from Mexico into the US in this extremely isolated area.

Have no idea if they were illegals, drug smugglers or whatever . But they were on foot and certainly wanted my truck.

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Wow

Why don't you start a thread about illegal alien border crossing experiences and share yours

Maybe there's others here that have experienced it too?

Florda_mike said:

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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yes and they seized the loot at the border crossing, not in the middle of the desert

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This has no correlation to drugs, illegals and human trafficking that does go through the desert .

For What It's Worth...


The southern end of the El Paso-Bush wall terminates below Fort Hancock Texas .

It certainly is a desert .....and I have seen groups crossing the very shallow Rio Grand River from Mexico into the US in this extremely isolated area.

Have no idea if they were illegals, drug smugglers or whatever . But they were on foot and certainly wanted my truck.

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Wow

Why don't you start a thread about illegal alien border crossing experiences and share yours

Maybe there's others here that have experienced it too?

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Owned the El Paso farm since 1980. You can see a lot of bizarre stuff over time in that part of the country .

But I NEVER went to that isolated area below Fort Hancock again. Too much of the wrong kind of 'action' out in the middle of nowhere . Our Custom Agents and Border Patrol boys have a lot of guts. Never know if the group you approach are illegals looking for work or bad boys moving 3 million dollars worth of drugs .

https://gazette.com/crime/homicides-make-the-second-deadliest-in-el-paso-county-history/article_6b32292b-d239-59fe-8ecc-fddc4271cb84.html

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Car theft , gang activity, robberies , have all been reduced since the wall went up.

Of course some folks just don't care . Think they are 'immune'.

Because wall work!

quash said:

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Because wall work!

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I thought about you this AM.. an elderly league hockey player had a heart attack on the ice and was revived..

it was on the news

corncob pipe said:

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quash said:

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Because wall work!

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I thought about you this AM.. an elderly league hockey player had a heart attack on the ice and was revived..

it was on the news

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Remember the Stars player that died and tried to get back on the ice?

So they built the wall there why ... ?

Lying liars are loony

quash said:

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corncob pipe said:

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quash said:

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Because wall work!

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I thought about you this AM.. an elderly league hockey player had a heart attack on the ice and was revived..

it was on the news

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Remember the Stars player that died and tried to get back on the ice?

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That was insane

F'ing hockey players...toughest dudes in sports besides maybe bull riders and that's not really a sport