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My theory is that Rhule had success at Temple the same way Dennis Franchione had success at TCU and Dan Hawkins had success at Boise State. Franchione success was because of Gary Patterson and Hawkins success was because of Chris Peterson. If I'm correct we maybe hired the wrong person from Temple and could have hired the right person for half the money. Watching Rhule last year he looked like he did not know what to do.

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This is based on one season at Baylor?

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Jay Square said:

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My theory is that Rhule had success at Temple the same way Dennis Franchione had success at TCU and Dan Hawkins had success at Boise State. Franchione success was because of Gary Patterson and Hawkins success was because of Chris Peterson. If I'm correct we maybe hired the wrong person from Temple and could have hired the right person for half the money. Watching Rhule last year he looked like he did not know what to do.

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This is based on one season at Baylor?

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Sometimes, one is enough.

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This is not one of those cases.

Jay Square said:

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My theory is that Rhule had success at Temple the same way Dennis Franchione had success at TCU and Dan Hawkins had success at Boise State. Franchione success was because of Gary Patterson and Hawkins success was because of Chris Peterson. If I'm correct we maybe hired the wrong person from Temple and could have hired the right person for half the money. Watching Rhule last year he looked like he did not know what to do.

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So a guy who had his best success in his third and fourth season at temple was piggybacking somebody else's success? Seems legit

Jay Square said:

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My theory is that Rhule had success at Temple the same way Dennis Franchione had success at TCU and Dan Hawkins had success at Boise State. Franchione success was because of Gary Patterson and Hawkins success was because of Chris Peterson. If I'm correct we maybe hired the wrong person from Temple and could have hired the right person for half the money. Watching Rhule last year he looked like he did not know what to do.

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I don't think you thought this one through, bud.

Jay Square, don't let Crash bother you. You are right on track.

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Jay Square, don't let Crash bother you. You are right on track.

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So who was the mastermind behind Temple's success?

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Jay Square said:

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My theory is that Rhule had success at Temple the same way Dennis Franchione had success at TCU and Dan Hawkins had success at Boise State. Franchione success was because of Gary Patterson and Hawkins success was because of Chris Peterson. If I'm correct we maybe hired the wrong person from Temple and could have hired the right person for half the money. Watching Rhule last year he looked like he did not know what to do.

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I don't think you thought this one through, bud.

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Lol. It may be you who needs to think this one through.

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Jay Square said:

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My theory is that Rhule had success at Temple the same way Dennis Franchione had success at TCU and Dan Hawkins had success at Boise State. Franchione success was because of Gary Patterson and Hawkins success was because of Chris Peterson. If I'm correct we maybe hired the wrong person from Temple and could have hired the right person for half the money. Watching Rhule last year he looked like he did not know what to do.

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I don't think you thought this one through, bud.

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Lol. It may be you who needs to think this one through.

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I'm open to that possibility. Help me out. If Rhule is Franchione, who is his Gary Patterson? If he is Dan Hawkins, who is his Chris Petersen?

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Crash Davis said:

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Jay Square said:

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My theory is that Rhule had success at Temple the same way Dennis Franchione had success at TCU and Dan Hawkins had success at Boise State. Franchione success was because of Gary Patterson and Hawkins success was because of Chris Peterson. If I'm correct we maybe hired the wrong person from Temple and could have hired the right person for half the money. Watching Rhule last year he looked like he did not know what to do.

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I don't think you thought this one through, bud.

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Lol. It may be you who needs to think this one through.

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I'm open to that possibility. Help me out. If Rhule is Franchione, who is his Gary Patterson? If he is Dan Hawkins, who is his Chris Petersen?

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It has to be someone he didn't bring with him

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Jay Square said:

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My theory is that Rhule had success at Temple the same way Dennis Franchione had success at TCU and Dan Hawkins had success at Boise State. Franchione success was because of Gary Patterson and Hawkins success was because of Chris Peterson. If I'm correct we maybe hired the wrong person from Temple and could have hired the right person for half the money. Watching Rhule last year he looked like he did not know what to do.

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I don't think you thought this one through, bud.

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Lol. It may be you who needs to think this one through.

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I'm open to that possibility. Help me out. If Rhule is Franchione, who is his Gary Patterson? If he is Dan Hawkins, who is his Chris Petersen?

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It has to be someone he didn't bring with him

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He brought his OC, DC, director of operations, and more than half his staff. Care to eleborate exactly who he should've pulled down here??

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Jay Square said:

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My theory is that Rhule had success at Temple the same way Dennis Franchione had success at TCU and Dan Hawkins had success at Boise State. Franchione success was because of Gary Patterson and Hawkins success was because of Chris Peterson. If I'm correct we maybe hired the wrong person from Temple and could have hired the right person for half the money. Watching Rhule last year he looked like he did not know what to do.

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I don't think you thought this one through, bud.

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Lol. It may be you who needs to think this one through.

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I'm open to that possibility. Help me out. If Rhule is Franchione, who is his Gary Patterson? If he is Dan Hawkins, who is his Chris Petersen?

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It has to be someone he didn't bring with him

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Can't give me a name? It seems like a name would be pertinent to this theory.

It would have had to been one of his position coaches, which already makes this theory pretty sketchy...Patterson and Petersen were both coordinators and Rhule brought his coordinators with him.

First of all, just for the record, the success of Temple really can't be compared to TCU and Boise.

I am completely unfamiliar with everyone who was on the Temple staff, but I will concede it doesn't appear he brought any masterminds with him.

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First of all, just for the record, the success of Temple really can't be compared to TCU and Boise.

I am completely unfamiliar with everyone who was on the Temple staff, but I will concede it doesn't appear he brought any masterminds with him.

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So you threw **** on the wall and hoped it stuck? Got it...

I didn't bring up the theory boys. I just engaged in a little banter. Lighten up.

Guys it is just a theory to come up with the reason Rhule took a team coming off a bowl win and a history of winning and only won one game. Also, I don't believe he brought his OC with him didn't that person switch to another school and that is the reason we didn't have a real OC.

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Guys it is just a theory to come up with the reason Rhule took a team coming off a bowl win and a history of winning and only won one game. Also, I don't believe he brought his OC with him didn't that person switch to another school and that is the reason we didn't have a real OC.

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Glenn Thomas was his OC who is now our QB coach/COOC. He waited out seeing if he could grab an NFL job before deciding to come here.

We brought Matt Lubick in but he bolted last second to Washington. That definitely did not help. He had been coaching at Oregon so I think a lot of hope of incorporating more of Oregon's spread fell through.

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Guys it is just a theory to come up with the reason Rhule took a team coming off a bowl win and a history of winning and only won one game. Also, I don't believe he brought his OC with him didn't that person switch to another school and that is the reason we didn't have a real OC.

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Well, I don't think the theory is accurate.
We lost a lot of key players between 2016 and 2017. We were already dealing with depth issues in 2016, but they were far worse in 2017. You also need to consider the fact that the entire coaching staff and most of the football support staff were changed from 2016 to 2017. Totally new offense and defense too.
Now you need to realize that virtually EVERY team in the conference was improved, some extremely improved.
Put all of that together, and then add in all of the injuries... and there you go.
If you still think that it was all because of Rhule, then you need to blame Grobe for taking a 10 win team into a 7 win team. No other reasons,... just because of Grobe. Or maybe we need to recognize that there are lots of factors involved in a football season. Grobe had the same players AND the same coaches/staff. So he should have won at least 10 games... no excuses... according to your theory.

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Jay Square said:

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Guys it is just a theory to come up with the reason Rhule took a team coming off a bowl win and a history of winning and only won one game. Also, I don't believe he brought his OC with him didn't that person switch to another school and that is the reason we didn't have a real OC.

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Well, I don't think the theory is accurate.
We lost a lot of key players between 2016 and 2017. We were already dealing with depth issues in 2016, but they were far worse in 2017. You also need to consider the fact that the entire coaching staff and most of the football support staff were changed from 2016 to 2017. Totally new offense and defense too.
Now you need to realize that virtually EVERY team in the conference was improved, some extremely improved.
Put all of that together, and then add in all of the injuries... and there you go.
If you still think that it was all because of Rhule, then you need to blame Grobe for taking a 10 win team into a 7 win team. No other reasons,... just because of Grobe. Or maybe we need to recognize that there are lots of factors involved in a football season. Grobe had the same players AND the same coaches/staff. So he should have won at least 10 games... no excuses... according to your theory.

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It's hard to make the argument that Oklahoma St, Kansas St, West Virginia and Kansas were improved in 2017 over 2016. The only teams that you could make an argument as being really improved in 2017 are TCU and Iowa St.

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Jay Square said:

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Guys it is just a theory to come up with the reason Rhule took a team coming off a bowl win and a history of winning and only won one game. Also, I don't believe he brought his OC with him didn't that person switch to another school and that is the reason we didn't have a real OC.

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Well, I don't think the theory is accurate.
We lost a lot of key players between 2016 and 2017. We were already dealing with depth issues in 2016, but they were far worse in 2017. You also need to consider the fact that the entire coaching staff and most of the football support staff were changed from 2016 to 2017. Totally new offense and defense too.
Now you need to realize that virtually EVERY team in the conference was improved, some extremely improved.
Put all of that together, and then add in all of the injuries... and there you go.
If you still think that it was all because of Rhule, then you need to blame Grobe for taking a 10 win team into a 7 win team. No other reasons,... just because of Grobe. Or maybe we need to recognize that there are lots of factors involved in a football season. Grobe had the same players AND the same coaches/staff. So he should have won at least 10 games... no excuses... according to your theory.

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Pretty much.

FPI says Oklahoma State was better, and that makes sense since 2017 Oklahoma State neither lost to Central Michigan or similar team nor would it have played a one score game against them or a similar team had they played. Beyond Oklahoma State, another 5 teams were better, so only four teams were objectively worse, but only 2 were worse by a notable amount - Baylor and WVU.

TCU, ISU, and Texas were significantly better.

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Jay Square said:

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Guys it is just a theory to come up with the reason Rhule took a team coming off a bowl win and a history of winning and only won one game. Also, I don't believe he brought his OC with him didn't that person switch to another school and that is the reason we didn't have a real OC.

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Well, I don't think the theory is accurate.
We lost a lot of key players between 2016 and 2017. We were already dealing with depth issues in 2016, but they were far worse in 2017. You also need to consider the fact that the entire coaching staff and most of the football support staff were changed from 2016 to 2017. Totally new offense and defense too.
Now you need to realize that virtually EVERY team in the conference was improved, some extremely improved.
Put all of that together, and then add in all of the injuries... and there you go.
If you still think that it was all because of Rhule, then you need to blame Grobe for taking a 10 win team into a 7 win team. No other reasons,... just because of Grobe. Or maybe we need to recognize that there are lots of factors involved in a football season. Grobe had the same players AND the same coaches/staff. So he should have won at least 10 games... no excuses... according to your theory.

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It's hard to make the argument that Oklahoma St, Kansas St, West Virginia and Kansas were improved in 2017 over 2016. The only teams that you could make an argument as being really improved in 2017 are TCU and Iowa St.

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WVU looked worse this year... I'll grant that one. I think KState was a wash.... no great improvement or decline.
The big difference was UT, ISU, and TCU. Obviously, I wasn't talking about Kansas... because I was talking about football. Kansas doesn't play football... not in any way that really counts.
But hey... let's look at KU for a second. They did a bit better in their OOC in 2017, than they did in 2016. They scored more points and their losses were closer scores; yet they were destroyed by much bigger margins in conference. In fact, you can look at the scores from 2016 & 2017 to see which teams improved.... especially TCU, ISU and UT. Looking at the scores, you can see why I say KState was a wash. They had a very weird year last season. Very inconsistent play. The big confusion was the loss to WVU. That was just weird. Then they turned around and beat ISU and OSU?? But they finished strong, with a big win over a Heisman candidate. I think KState is a good example of how many teams had improved last season.
Also consider this... OU, OSU and KState each had difficulties in conference play last season. Mostly they struggled (or lost) against the improved teams (ISU, TCU, and UT). All 3 of those teams had returning seniors at QB and many other skill positions. It was expected the OU and OSU would be the top teams again in the BigXII, and KState was expected to be in the top half of the conference. Instead, you had a Conference Championship game between OU and TCU, and KState ended the season at #6 in conference. Heck, there was mid-season speculation that the conference championship game could be between ISU and TCU. Amidst all that... can you see how a much weaker Baylor team, had such a bad season? Very few returning seniors; depth issues on OL and DL; losses at the skill positions; too many injuries; it all adds up to a very rough season.
Many of us had high expectations for 2017. I don't think any of us expected to see 8 of our 10 teams go to bowl games. Nor did anyone expect 5 of them to win, since everyone said the Big XII doesn't know how to play defense. Nor did anyone expect a grown man, who is payed millions of dollars each year, to dance around on the sidelines like a drunk chicken... but Pee Wee Herman didn't disappoint us!
No doubt about it. In 2017, Baylor was a far weaker team, playing in a vastly improved conference.

In case you missed it...

I give you a blue star just for your shot at PeeWee.....ROFLMAO! UT loves them some cheeseburger buying, man kissing, drunk chicken, sideline dancing Whorn.

I hope CMR makes him cry sooner rather than later.

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This is going to be a really short thread. I know of only 2-3 posters that called for his firing after the first season. Many of us were unhappy and felt he underachieved, but recognized the man deserves at least 3 seasons to instill his system and try and turn it around.

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Mothra said:

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This is going to be a really short thread. I know of only 2-3 posters that called for his firing after the first season. Many of us were unhappy and felt he underachieved, but recognized the man deserves at least 3 seasons to instill his system and try and turn it around.

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15K 340+

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Still a dunce.

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I didn't bring up the theory boys. I just engaged in a little banter. Lighten up.

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No Frisco, Teaff came in after 3 wins in 3 years. Briles came in after about 3 wins in 15 years. (Joke) Rhule came in after great success.