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I'm not arguing for our defensive scheme, I'm saying that any defensive scheme that takes years to implement is ridiculous, and that's what Snow is doing.

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Omg yes! Hard work is always totally ridiculous, right? Two years of change and learning is soooo long. Like, we need now stuff! And how about some helmet stickers??

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I've heard that millennials want instant gratification, I just never realized it extended into football too.
If I remember correctly, Nick Saban won the National championship in his first year at Alabama... right?

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No, but he did go 12-0 in the regular season in his second year and won the national championship in his third year.

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I thought you said that anything that takes multiple years is ridiculous?? It took him THREE years! That's ridiculous!!

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It took him even longer to win the Super Bowl in Miami, but good coaching overcomes all.

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I'm not arguing for our defensive scheme, I'm saying that any defensive scheme that takes years to implement is ridiculous, and that's what Snow is doing.

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I don't think the defensive scheme is going to take 5 years to implement. Hell, we were looking ten times better in the scheme toward the end of last year.

If our DL can play as well as I hope, we are going to have a salty defense THIS season. My concerns are on the offensive side of the ball.

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This is going to be a really short thread. I know of only 2-3 posters that called for his firing after the first season. Many of us were unhappy and felt he underachieved, but recognized the man deserves at least 3 seasons to instill his system and try and turn it around.

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I'm not arguing for our defensive scheme, I'm saying that any defensive scheme that takes years to implement is ridiculous, and that's what Snow is doing.

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Omg yes! Hard work is always totally ridiculous, right? Two years of change and learning is soooo long. Like, we need now stuff! And how about some helmet stickers??

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I've heard that millennials want instant gratification, I just never realized it extended into football too.
If I remember correctly, Nick Saban won the National championship in his first year at Alabama... right?

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No, but he did go 12-0 in the regular season in his second year and won the national championship in his third year.

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I thought you said that anything that takes multiple years is ridiculous?? It took him THREE years! That's ridiculous!!

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If you thought I said that, you need to read at a pace that better matches your ability to comprehend. I said it is ridiculous to say we have to wait until we have 5th year seniors before we see a decent defense.

At Temple, Rhule's defense went from 110th in his first year to 11th in his second in yards per play. It is ridiculous to say we should expect to need 5th year seniors in the system for it to work. We were 117th in 2017 in yards per play on defense.

Hey Shooter, we had THE WORST D in the Nation last year!(practically) Yea, the defensive scheme caused that, you bet. Too complicated! Snow himself said it would take 3 years. Ridiculous!

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Hey Shooter, we had THE WORST D in the Nation last year!(practically) Yea, the defensive scheme caused that, you bet. Too complicated! Snow himself said it would take 3 years. Ridiculous!

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But we are expecting a bowl game in his second year.

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Hey Shooter, we had THE WORST D in the Nation last year!(practically) Yea, the defensive scheme caused that, you bet. Too complicated! Snow himself said it would take 3 years. Ridiculous!

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But we are expecting a bowl game in his second year.

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Of course. Last year was an aberration.

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This is going to be a really short thread. I know of only 2-3 posters that called for his firing after the first season. Many of us were unhappy and felt he underachieved, but recognized the man deserves at least 3 seasons to instill his system and try and turn it around.

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Still butthurt my sensitive little friend?

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It will take Seniors and 5th year seniors to run Snow's D, and that will require a few more years of study. That's somewhat depressing.

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If your defense is so complicated it takes multiple years to learn you are doing something wrong.

Pro coaches never use this excuse.... and plenty of them go in and turn a team around in one year....

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I don't think Rhule has ever said that it will take 5 years. I think that was just you.

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I never said it will take 5 years. Or even anything close.

I just said if it takes multiple years to implement it isn't good.

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You also said that pro coaches never use that excuse, which implies that Rhule is making that excuse. Why not just let the coach speak for himself? Why make up stuff, and then say Rhule said it? He's had one year, and yet you are saying that Rhule is making excuses for multiple years of failure on defense. Are you a time traveler?

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Again you are claiming things I never said.

Reading comprehension is not your friend.

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Hey Shooter, we had THE WORST D in the Nation last year!(practically) Yea, the defensive scheme caused that, you bet. Too complicated! Snow himself said it would take 3 years. Ridiculous!

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But we are expecting a bowl game in his second year.

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We are Hoping for a bowl game.

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This is going to be a really short thread. I know of only 2-3 posters that called for his firing after the first season. Many of us were unhappy and felt he underachieved, but recognized the man deserves at least 3 seasons to instill his system and try and turn it around.

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Don't be bitter, TenD, don't be bitter.

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This is going to be a really short thread. I know of only 2-3 posters that called for his firing after the first season. Many of us were unhappy and felt he underachieved, but recognized the man deserves at least 3 seasons to instill his system and try and turn it around.

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Did I miss something? What does that mean?

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This is going to be a really short thread. I know of only 2-3 posters that called for his firing after the first season. Many of us were unhappy and felt he underachieved, but recognized the man deserves at least 3 seasons to instill his system and try and turn it around.

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Lots of views. Lots of replies. According to what i read on the interwebs

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This is going to be a really short thread. I know of only 2-3 posters that called for his firing after the first season. Many of us were unhappy and felt he underachieved, but recognized the man deserves at least 3 seasons to instill his system and try and turn it around.

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Look on the forum page. It is the tally of views and posts. There was an early comment on this thread that the thread wouldn't last long.

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This is going to be a really short thread. I know of only 2-3 posters that called for his firing after the first season. Many of us were unhappy and felt he underachieved, but recognized the man deserves at least 3 seasons to instill his system and try and turn it around.

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He's a CMR apologist who's butthurt over a sarcastic comment I made at the beginning of the thread. He said that this thread was "especially designed for those posters, err college football experts, who continue to endlessly call for CMR's firing after 1 season."

In response to his trolling, I suggested that this would be a short thread because pretty much nobody called for CMR to be fired after 1 season. He thinks the fact he keeps this thread alive disproves my sarcastic comment. As my dad would say, he's eaten up with the dumb@ss.

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"pretty much nobody called for CMR to be fired" is a hilarious statement if you are including Sicem365 posters.

Pretty much nobody who mattered called for CMR to be fired would be accurate.

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How many posters called for CMR to be fired after last season? Name them. I can think of maybe four.

There were plenty of people upset at how last season turned out, and rightly so. But call for his firing? No.

And let's be clear about one more thing: none of the opinions on this board matter. Not yours, not mine, nor anyone else's.

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LThis is going to be a really short thread. I know of only 2-3 posters that called for his firing after the first season. Many of us were unhappy and felt he underachieved, but recognized the man deserves at least 3 seasons to instill his system and try and turn it around.

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Did I miss something? What does that mean?

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He's a CMR apologist who's butthurt over a sarcastic comment I made at the beginning of the thread. He said that this thread was "especially designed for those posters, err college football experts, who continue to endlessly call for CMR's firing after 1 season."

In response to his trolling, I suggested that this would be a short thread because pretty much nobody called for CMR to be fired after 1 season. He thinks the fact he keeps this thread alive disproves my sarcastic comment. As my dad would say, he's eaten up with the dumb@ss.

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"pretty much nobody called for CMR to be fired" is a hilarious statement if you are including Sicem365 posters.

Pretty much nobody who mattered called for CMR to be fired would be accurate.

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How many posters called for CMR to be fired after last season? Name them. I can think of maybe four.

There were plenty of people upset at how last season turned out, and rightly so. But call for his firing? No.

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I think you're exactly right. A few outright called for it and many implied it not-so-tacitly, but could just be the same voices/opinions strongly stated over and over, which happens on both ends of the spectrum.

Maybe a simple up or down-vote football board poll with no middling, buts or ifs comments... "Do you think CMR should be fired?" Yes/no for example.

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LThis is going to be a really short thread. I know of only 2-3 posters that called for his firing after the first season. Many of us were unhappy and felt he underachieved, but recognized the man deserves at least 3 seasons to instill his system and try and turn it around.

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Did I miss something? What does that mean?

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He's a CMR apologist who's butthurt over a sarcastic comment I made at the beginning of the thread. He said that this thread was "especially designed for those posters, err college football experts, who continue to endlessly call for CMR's firing after 1 season."

In response to his trolling, I suggested that this would be a short thread because pretty much nobody called for CMR to be fired after 1 season. He thinks the fact he keeps this thread alive disproves my sarcastic comment. As my dad would say, he's eaten up with the dumb@ss.

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"pretty much nobody called for CMR to be fired" is a hilarious statement if you are including Sicem365 posters.

Pretty much nobody who mattered called for CMR to be fired would be accurate.

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How many posters called for CMR to be fired after last season? Name them. I can think of maybe four.

There were plenty of people upset at how last season turned out, and rightly so. But call for his firing? No.

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I think you're exactly right. A few outright called for it and many implied it not-so-tacitly, but could just be the same voices/opinions strongly stated over and over, which happens on both ends of the spectrum.

Maybe a simple up or down-vote football board poll with no middling, buts or ifs comments... "Do you think CMR should be fired?" Yes/no for example.

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Agreed. Do a simple poll, and put it to rest. If you were the King of Baylor, and you had to renew his contract next week or let him go... what would you do?

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zunooreo said:

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Mothra said:

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LThis is going to be a really short thread. I know of only 2-3 posters that called for his firing after the first season. Many of us were unhappy and felt he underachieved, but recognized the man deserves at least 3 seasons to instill his system and try and turn it around.

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Did I miss something? What does that mean?

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He's a CMR apologist who's butthurt over a sarcastic comment I made at the beginning of the thread. He said that this thread was "especially designed for those posters, err college football experts, who continue to endlessly call for CMR's firing after 1 season."

In response to his trolling, I suggested that this would be a short thread because pretty much nobody called for CMR to be fired after 1 season. He thinks the fact he keeps this thread alive disproves my sarcastic comment. As my dad would say, he's eaten up with the dumb@ss.

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"pretty much nobody called for CMR to be fired" is a hilarious statement if you are including Sicem365 posters.

Pretty much nobody who mattered called for CMR to be fired would be accurate.

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How many posters called for CMR to be fired after last season? Name them. I can think of maybe four.

There were plenty of people upset at how last season turned out, and rightly so. But call for his firing? No.

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I think you're exactly right. A few outright called for it and many implied it not-so-tacitly, but could just be the same voices/opinions strongly stated over and over, which happens on both ends of the spectrum.

Maybe a simple up or down-vote football board poll with no middling, buts or ifs comments... "Do you think CMR should be fired?" Yes/no for example.

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Agreed. Do a simple poll, and put it to rest. If you were the King of Baylor, and you had to renew his contract next week or let him go... what would you do?

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That would be neat in abstract, but, in reality, it would have limited value since some posters would vote to remove Rhule without being realistic about what coaching alternatives would be available, as some posters in this forum have even envisioned Baylor hiring coaches like Mike Gundy or Art Briles back and hires of that nature would be off the table.

Basically, removing him is a binary decision, but the aftermath of that decision would make that decision more complicated.

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LThis is going to be a really short thread. I know of only 2-3 posters that called for his firing after the first season. Many of us were unhappy and felt he underachieved, but recognized the man deserves at least 3 seasons to instill his system and try and turn it around.

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Did I miss something? What does that mean?

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He's a CMR apologist who's butthurt over a sarcastic comment I made at the beginning of the thread. He said that this thread was "especially designed for those posters, err college football experts, who continue to endlessly call for CMR's firing after 1 season."

In response to his trolling, I suggested that this would be a short thread because pretty much nobody called for CMR to be fired after 1 season. He thinks the fact he keeps this thread alive disproves my sarcastic comment. As my dad would say, he's eaten up with the dumb@ss.

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"pretty much nobody called for CMR to be fired" is a hilarious statement if you are including Sicem365 posters.

Pretty much nobody who mattered called for CMR to be fired would be accurate.

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How many posters called for CMR to be fired after last season? Name them. I can think of maybe four.

There were plenty of people upset at how last season turned out, and rightly so. But call for his firing? No.

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I think you're exactly right. A few outright called for it and many implied it not-so-tacitly, but could just be the same voices/opinions strongly stated over and over, which happens on both ends of the spectrum.

Maybe a simple up or down-vote football board poll with no middling, buts or ifs comments... "Do you think CMR should be fired?" Yes/no for example.

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Agreed. Do a simple poll, and put it to rest. If you were the King of Baylor, and you had to renew his contract next week or let him go... what would you do?

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So you guys are saying the results of a current poll is exactly the same as threads from last September thru November? Maybe you can lay out more ground rules such as we only count Rd2's multiple accounts as one and lay out a list of posters that have changed the name of their one account.

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LThis is going to be a really short thread. I know of only 2-3 posters that called for his firing after the first season. Many of us were unhappy and felt he underachieved, but recognized the man deserves at least 3 seasons to instill his system and try and turn it around.

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Did I miss something? What does that mean?

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He's a CMR apologist who's butthurt over a sarcastic comment I made at the beginning of the thread. He said that this thread was "especially designed for those posters, err college football experts, who continue to endlessly call for CMR's firing after 1 season."

In response to his trolling, I suggested that this would be a short thread because pretty much nobody called for CMR to be fired after 1 season. He thinks the fact he keeps this thread alive disproves my sarcastic comment. As my dad would say, he's eaten up with the dumb@ss.

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"pretty much nobody called for CMR to be fired" is a hilarious statement if you are including Sicem365 posters.

Pretty much nobody who mattered called for CMR to be fired would be accurate.

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How many posters called for CMR to be fired after last season? Name them. I can think of maybe four.

There were plenty of people upset at how last season turned out, and rightly so. But call for his firing? No.

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I think you're exactly right. A few outright called for it and many implied it not-so-tacitly, but could just be the same voices/opinions strongly stated over and over, which happens on both ends of the spectrum.

Maybe a simple up or down-vote football board poll with no middling, buts or ifs comments... "Do you think CMR should be fired?" Yes/no for example.

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Agreed. Do a simple poll, and put it to rest. If you were the King of Baylor, and you had to renew his contract next week or let him go... what would you do?

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That would be neat in abstract, but, in reality, it would have limited value since some posters would vote to remove Rhule without being realistic about what coaching alternatives would be available, as some posters in this forum have even envisioned Baylor hiring coaches like Mike Gundy or Art Briles back and hires of that nature would be off the table.

Basically, removing him is a binary decision, but the aftermath of that decision would make that decision more complicated.

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How about a coach that can beat Liberty and/or out coach Turner Gill. Doesn't seem like such a monumental accomplishment.


Hey, wait... didn't we used to have a coach that could do both???

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It's unclear what the point of this was.

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LThis is going to be a really short thread. I know of only 2-3 posters that called for his firing after the first season. Many of us were unhappy and felt he underachieved, but recognized the man deserves at least 3 seasons to instill his system and try and turn it around.

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Did I miss something? What does that mean?

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He's a CMR apologist who's butthurt over a sarcastic comment I made at the beginning of the thread. He said that this thread was "especially designed for those posters, err college football experts, who continue to endlessly call for CMR's firing after 1 season."

In response to his trolling, I suggested that this would be a short thread because pretty much nobody called for CMR to be fired after 1 season. He thinks the fact he keeps this thread alive disproves my sarcastic comment. As my dad would say, he's eaten up with the dumb@ss.

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"pretty much nobody called for CMR to be fired" is a hilarious statement if you are including Sicem365 posters.

Pretty much nobody who mattered called for CMR to be fired would be accurate.

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How many posters called for CMR to be fired after last season? Name them. I can think of maybe four.

There were plenty of people upset at how last season turned out, and rightly so. But call for his firing? No.

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I think you're exactly right. A few outright called for it and many implied it not-so-tacitly, but could just be the same voices/opinions strongly stated over and over, which happens on both ends of the spectrum.

Maybe a simple up or down-vote football board poll with no middling, buts or ifs comments... "Do you think CMR should be fired?" Yes/no for example.

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Agreed. Do a simple poll, and put it to rest. If you were the King of Baylor, and you had to renew his contract next week or let him go... what would you do?

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That would be neat in abstract, but, in reality, it would have limited value since some posters would vote to remove Rhule without being realistic about what coaching alternatives would be available, as some posters in this forum have even envisioned Baylor hiring coaches like Mike Gundy or Art Briles back and hires of that nature would be off the table.

Basically, removing him is a binary decision, but the aftermath of that decision would make that decision more complicated.

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How about a coach that can beat Liberty and/or out coach Turner Gill. Doesn't seem like such a monumental accomplishment.


Hey, wait... didn't we used to have a coach that could do both???

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It's unclear what the point of this was.

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The point, I think, is if BU wanted to continue competition at the level it had achieved, after the debacle of the BOR, it should have invested the money necessary to hire a coach with a proven track record at the top. Dipping down into the lower echelon of programs for a coach, is a gamble unlikely to succeed. Very similar to when we hired Steele. Hope I'm wrong.

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LThis is going to be a really short thread. I know of only 2-3 posters that called for his firing after the first season. Many of us were unhappy and felt he underachieved, but recognized the man deserves at least 3 seasons to instill his system and try and turn it around.

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Did I miss something? What does that mean?

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He's a CMR apologist who's butthurt over a sarcastic comment I made at the beginning of the thread. He said that this thread was "especially designed for those posters, err college football experts, who continue to endlessly call for CMR's firing after 1 season."

In response to his trolling, I suggested that this would be a short thread because pretty much nobody called for CMR to be fired after 1 season. He thinks the fact he keeps this thread alive disproves my sarcastic comment. As my dad would say, he's eaten up with the dumb@ss.

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"pretty much nobody called for CMR to be fired" is a hilarious statement if you are including Sicem365 posters.

Pretty much nobody who mattered called for CMR to be fired would be accurate.

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How many posters called for CMR to be fired after last season? Name them. I can think of maybe four.

There were plenty of people upset at how last season turned out, and rightly so. But call for his firing? No.

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I think you're exactly right. A few outright called for it and many implied it not-so-tacitly, but could just be the same voices/opinions strongly stated over and over, which happens on both ends of the spectrum.

Maybe a simple up or down-vote football board poll with no middling, buts or ifs comments... "Do you think CMR should be fired?" Yes/no for example.

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Agreed. Do a simple poll, and put it to rest. If you were the King of Baylor, and you had to renew his contract next week or let him go... what would you do?

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That would be neat in abstract, but, in reality, it would have limited value since some posters would vote to remove Rhule without being realistic about what coaching alternatives would be available, as some posters in this forum have even envisioned Baylor hiring coaches like Mike Gundy or Art Briles back and hires of that nature would be off the table.

Basically, removing him is a binary decision, but the aftermath of that decision would make that decision more complicated.

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How about a coach that can beat Liberty and/or out coach Turner Gill. Doesn't seem like such a monumental accomplishment.


Hey, wait... didn't we used to have a coach that could do both???

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It's unclear what the point of this was.

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The point, I think, is if BU wanted to continue competition at the level it had achieved, after the debacle of the BOR, it should have invested the money necessary to hire a coach with a proven track record at the top. Dipping down into the lower echelon of programs for a coach, is a gamble unlikely to succeed. Very similar to when we hired Steele. Hope I'm wrong.

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Your hope has been realized and then some. This hire was nothing like Steele's hiring. An NFL assistant coach who, at that time, had never been a head coach or even a coordinator at any level versus a head coach who had shown an ability to lead a staff and to win. There is no comparison, and for you to act like Rhule = Steele is both lazy and stupid.

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NoBSU said:

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Mothra said:

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cowboycwr said:

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zunooreo said:

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LThis is going to be a really short thread. I know of only 2-3 posters that called for his firing after the first season. Many of us were unhappy and felt he underachieved, but recognized the man deserves at least 3 seasons to instill his system and try and turn it around.

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Did I miss something? What does that mean?

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He's a CMR apologist who's butthurt over a sarcastic comment I made at the beginning of the thread. He said that this thread was "especially designed for those posters, err college football experts, who continue to endlessly call for CMR's firing after 1 season."

In response to his trolling, I suggested that this would be a short thread because pretty much nobody called for CMR to be fired after 1 season. He thinks the fact he keeps this thread alive disproves my sarcastic comment. As my dad would say, he's eaten up with the dumb@ss.

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"pretty much nobody called for CMR to be fired" is a hilarious statement if you are including Sicem365 posters.

Pretty much nobody who mattered called for CMR to be fired would be accurate.

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How many posters called for CMR to be fired after last season? Name them. I can think of maybe four.

There were plenty of people upset at how last season turned out, and rightly so. But call for his firing? No.

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I think you're exactly right. A few outright called for it and many implied it not-so-tacitly, but could just be the same voices/opinions strongly stated over and over, which happens on both ends of the spectrum.

Maybe a simple up or down-vote football board poll with no middling, buts or ifs comments... "Do you think CMR should be fired?" Yes/no for example.

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Agreed. Do a simple poll, and put it to rest. If you were the King of Baylor, and you had to renew his contract next week or let him go... what would you do?

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That would be neat in abstract, but, in reality, it would have limited value since some posters would vote to remove Rhule without being realistic about what coaching alternatives would be available, as some posters in this forum have even envisioned Baylor hiring coaches like Mike Gundy or Art Briles back and hires of that nature would be off the table.

Basically, removing him is a binary decision, but the aftermath of that decision would make that decision more complicated.

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How about a coach that can beat Liberty and/or out coach Turner Gill. Doesn't seem like such a monumental accomplishment.


Hey, wait... didn't we used to have a coach that could do both???

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It's unclear what the point of this was.

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The point, I think, is if BU wanted to continue competition at the level it had achieved, after the debacle of the BOR, it should have invested the money necessary to hire a coach with a proven track record at the top. Dipping down into the lower echelon of programs for a coach, is a gamble unlikely to succeed. Very similar to when we hired Steele. Hope I'm wrong.

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so you would have hired......

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RioRata said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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ShooterTX said:

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BUbearinARK said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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LThis is going to be a really short thread. I know of only 2-3 posters that called for his firing after the first season. Many of us were unhappy and felt he underachieved, but recognized the man deserves at least 3 seasons to instill his system and try and turn it around.

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Did I miss something? What does that mean?

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He's a CMR apologist who's butthurt over a sarcastic comment I made at the beginning of the thread. He said that this thread was "especially designed for those posters, err college football experts, who continue to endlessly call for CMR's firing after 1 season."

In response to his trolling, I suggested that this would be a short thread because pretty much nobody called for CMR to be fired after 1 season. He thinks the fact he keeps this thread alive disproves my sarcastic comment. As my dad would say, he's eaten up with the dumb@ss.

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"pretty much nobody called for CMR to be fired" is a hilarious statement if you are including Sicem365 posters.

Pretty much nobody who mattered called for CMR to be fired would be accurate.

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How many posters called for CMR to be fired after last season? Name them. I can think of maybe four.

There were plenty of people upset at how last season turned out, and rightly so. But call for his firing? No.

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I think you're exactly right. A few outright called for it and many implied it not-so-tacitly, but could just be the same voices/opinions strongly stated over and over, which happens on both ends of the spectrum.

Maybe a simple up or down-vote football board poll with no middling, buts or ifs comments... "Do you think CMR should be fired?" Yes/no for example.

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Agreed. Do a simple poll, and put it to rest. If you were the King of Baylor, and you had to renew his contract next week or let him go... what would you do?

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That would be neat in abstract, but, in reality, it would have limited value since some posters would vote to remove Rhule without being realistic about what coaching alternatives would be available, as some posters in this forum have even envisioned Baylor hiring coaches like Mike Gundy or Art Briles back and hires of that nature would be off the table.

Basically, removing him is a binary decision, but the aftermath of that decision would make that decision more complicated.

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How about a coach that can beat Liberty and/or out coach Turner Gill. Doesn't seem like such a monumental accomplishment.


Hey, wait... didn't we used to have a coach that could do both???

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It's unclear what the point of this was.

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The point, I think, is if BU wanted to continue competition at the level it had achieved, after the debacle of the BOR, it should have invested the money necessary to hire a coach with a proven track record at the top. Dipping down into the lower echelon of programs for a coach, is a gamble unlikely to succeed. Very similar to when we hired Steele. Hope I'm wrong.

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so you would have hired......

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Given the limited ones available at the time, other than hiring someone away, maybe Les Miles. He knows what it takes to run an elite program and to win a NC. He seemed to be indicating his willingness to upgrade and evolve his offensive philosophy in light of the spread success.

ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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RioRata said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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ShooterTX said:

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BUbearinARK said:

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Mothra said:

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NoBSU said:

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Mothra said:

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cowboycwr said:

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zunooreo said:

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Mothra said:

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LThis is going to be a really short thread. I know of only 2-3 posters that called for his firing after the first season. Many of us were unhappy and felt he underachieved, but recognized the man deserves at least 3 seasons to instill his system and try and turn it around.

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22K 432

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Did I miss something? What does that mean?

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He's a CMR apologist who's butthurt over a sarcastic comment I made at the beginning of the thread. He said that this thread was "especially designed for those posters, err college football experts, who continue to endlessly call for CMR's firing after 1 season."

In response to his trolling, I suggested that this would be a short thread because pretty much nobody called for CMR to be fired after 1 season. He thinks the fact he keeps this thread alive disproves my sarcastic comment. As my dad would say, he's eaten up with the dumb@ss.

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"pretty much nobody called for CMR to be fired" is a hilarious statement if you are including Sicem365 posters.

Pretty much nobody who mattered called for CMR to be fired would be accurate.

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How many posters called for CMR to be fired after last season? Name them. I can think of maybe four.

There were plenty of people upset at how last season turned out, and rightly so. But call for his firing? No.

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I think you're exactly right. A few outright called for it and many implied it not-so-tacitly, but could just be the same voices/opinions strongly stated over and over, which happens on both ends of the spectrum.

Maybe a simple up or down-vote football board poll with no middling, buts or ifs comments... "Do you think CMR should be fired?" Yes/no for example.

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Agreed. Do a simple poll, and put it to rest. If you were the King of Baylor, and you had to renew his contract next week or let him go... what would you do?

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That would be neat in abstract, but, in reality, it would have limited value since some posters would vote to remove Rhule without being realistic about what coaching alternatives would be available, as some posters in this forum have even envisioned Baylor hiring coaches like Mike Gundy or Art Briles back and hires of that nature would be off the table.

Basically, removing him is a binary decision, but the aftermath of that decision would make that decision more complicated.

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How about a coach that can beat Liberty and/or out coach Turner Gill. Doesn't seem like such a monumental accomplishment.


Hey, wait... didn't we used to have a coach that could do both???

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It's unclear what the point of this was.

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The point, I think, is if BU wanted to continue competition at the level it had achieved, after the debacle of the BOR, it should have invested the money necessary to hire a coach with a proven track record at the top. Dipping down into the lower echelon of programs for a coach, is a gamble unlikely to succeed. Very similar to when we hired Steele. Hope I'm wrong.

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so you would have hired......

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Nick Saban. Who else? More seriously, he probably would have hired Justin Fuente, Tom Herman, Scott Frost or Willie Taggart. You know, guys who competed in the same "lower echelon" of football as Rhule.

TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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RioRata said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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ShooterTX said:

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BUbearinARK said:

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Mothra said:

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NoBSU said:

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Mothra said:

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cowboycwr said:

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zunooreo said:

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Mothra said:

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LThis is going to be a really short thread. I know of only 2-3 posters that called for his firing after the first season. Many of us were unhappy and felt he underachieved, but recognized the man deserves at least 3 seasons to instill his system and try and turn it around.

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22K 432

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Did I miss something? What does that mean?

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He's a CMR apologist who's butthurt over a sarcastic comment I made at the beginning of the thread. He said that this thread was "especially designed for those posters, err college football experts, who continue to endlessly call for CMR's firing after 1 season."

In response to his trolling, I suggested that this would be a short thread because pretty much nobody called for CMR to be fired after 1 season. He thinks the fact he keeps this thread alive disproves my sarcastic comment. As my dad would say, he's eaten up with the dumb@ss.

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"pretty much nobody called for CMR to be fired" is a hilarious statement if you are including Sicem365 posters.

Pretty much nobody who mattered called for CMR to be fired would be accurate.

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How many posters called for CMR to be fired after last season? Name them. I can think of maybe four.

There were plenty of people upset at how last season turned out, and rightly so. But call for his firing? No.

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I think you're exactly right. A few outright called for it and many implied it not-so-tacitly, but could just be the same voices/opinions strongly stated over and over, which happens on both ends of the spectrum.

Maybe a simple up or down-vote football board poll with no middling, buts or ifs comments... "Do you think CMR should be fired?" Yes/no for example.

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Agreed. Do a simple poll, and put it to rest. If you were the King of Baylor, and you had to renew his contract next week or let him go... what would you do?

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That would be neat in abstract, but, in reality, it would have limited value since some posters would vote to remove Rhule without being realistic about what coaching alternatives would be available, as some posters in this forum have even envisioned Baylor hiring coaches like Mike Gundy or Art Briles back and hires of that nature would be off the table.

Basically, removing him is a binary decision, but the aftermath of that decision would make that decision more complicated.

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How about a coach that can beat Liberty and/or out coach Turner Gill. Doesn't seem like such a monumental accomplishment.


Hey, wait... didn't we used to have a coach that could do both???

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It's unclear what the point of this was.

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The point, I think, is if BU wanted to continue competition at the level it had achieved, after the debacle of the BOR, it should have invested the money necessary to hire a coach with a proven track record at the top. Dipping down into the lower echelon of programs for a coach, is a gamble unlikely to succeed. Very similar to when we hired Steele. Hope I'm wrong.

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so you would have hired......

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Given the limited ones available at the time, other than hiring someone away, maybe Les Miles. He knows what it takes to run an elite program and to win a NC. He seemed to be indicating his willingness to upgrade and evolve his offensive philosophy in light of the spread success.

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Les Miles... really? What makes you think he would have downgraded to a recently disgraced school like Baylor?
If Les Miles was such a great catch, why isn't he working at one of the dozens of schools which hired a new HC over the past 2 years? As far as has been reported, no one offered a job to Les Miles since he was fired by LSU. Nebraska, Texas A&M, UT, Tennessee, Florida, FSU, Ole Miss, Miss State,... these are just a handful of the jobs that would have made perfect sense for an SEC coach like Miles. Why is it that none of them made offers to Miles? We just went through one of the largest HC hiring years in modern NCAA history, but Les Miles was left without a chair. I'm very glad that he is not at Baylor.
Besides, if Miles was such "a coach with a proven track record at the top", then why was he fired in the first place?