J.B.Katz said:

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RMF5630 said:

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riflebear said:

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Important 👇

“The Nixon Library did not release the final batch of his secret tapes until 2013—39 yrs after Nixon was driven from office. The LBJ Library delayed releasing the final batch of his secret tapes…until 2016—47 yrs after he left office.” https://t.co/F89Z0Fii9D

— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) August 11, 2022

Obama, Nixon delayed for years in returning Presidential Records Act-covered documentshttps://t.co/Buy1hyOmCx

— The Post Millennial (@TPostMillennial) August 11, 2022

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This is a witch hunt to disqualify Trump, period. Next they will say he weighs the same as a duck, so burn him.

Any other President and none of this happens. This is an Obama and Dick Cheney inspired witch hunt. Didn't think so until he came out with his message.

There is no other reason to wait 18 months before investigating Jan 6th. Why in 2022? The US doesn't have the investigatory depth to investigate a former President?

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Trump disqualified himself by trying to disrupt a peaceful transfer of power.

Then Republicans wouldn't vote to impeach him and hold him accountable.

I bet McConnell, to the extent that the old crocadile is capable of regret, wishes the rank and files Rs had taken the political hit them and voted to impeach Trump, clearing the way for a candidate without Trump's considerable baggage.

McConnell's silence about what was characterized as a "raid," but involved the seizure of classified documents Trump improperly took from the White House.

He'd already handed over 15 boxes of documents that he was "legally required to leave in the custody of the federal government" this past February:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/07/us/politics/trump-national-archives-documents.html

"The boxes contained items taken from the White House's residence during a hasty exit after Mr. Trump had spent the bulk of the presidential transition trying to find ways to stay in power, according to two people familiar with the process of how the boxes were returned. At the time, Mr. Trump's aides were either preoccupied with helping him overturn the election, trying to stop him or avoiding him."

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Waco1947 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Are there any specific violations of Trump's rights that you can point out and support with evidence?

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Thanks for admitting you weren't paying attention Sam, since ... late 2015.

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Thanks for changing the subject again. We're talking about 2022.

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since 2015 implies 2022 is included

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"What about…?" Does not erase Trump's all edged wrong doing.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Forest Bueller_bf said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Rawhide said:

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HuMcK said:

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This sounds like a coordinated message at this point: Trump's lawyer, Eric, and now Rand have all done media hits where they push the "planted evidence" line. Should go without saying, but that's not a good talking point to get boxed into.

Rand Paul suggests the FBI may have planted evidence in boxes they seized from Mar-a-Lago pic.twitter.com/3yd6I9tlaa

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) August 10, 2022

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I won't disagree. I thought the same thing over the whole Russia collusion fake story

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Not allowing the Attorney's to be there, creates this mess. It amazes me how people continue to avoid transparency on things that can come back and bite you.

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Trump is well aware that they don't typically allow attorneys to be there. He's pushing this talking point to create confusion and preemptively cast doubt on whatever he thinks they might find. There's no basis for any presumption that evidence was planted, but that presumption will be established "fact" in MAGA-World within 24 hours if anything incriminating is found.

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It's also not typical to raid the home of a former president, as a matter of fact it has never happened. So you would think they would want this raid to be as transparent as possible and allowing a Lawyer to observe would keep the speculation of inappropriate acts to a minimum.

Instead you have people ransacking Melania's wardrobe, ransacking Trumps private office, breaking into his Safe, things that should be looked at as untowards no matter your political affiliation.

Instead you have maladjusted people cheering these acts on as if somehow they are righteous.

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One or two lawyers can't look over the shoulders of all those agents. Trump would keep the speculation and misdirection at a maximum regardless.

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Osodecentx said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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At the end of his presidency, Barack Obama trucked 30 million pages of his administration's records to Chicago...More than five years after Obama's presidency ended, the National Archives webpage reveals that zero pages have been digitized & disclosed..

Obama is a Dem and aint running for office so nobody cares..

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Historians certainly care. The DOJ doesn't care because, unlike Trump, Obama is cooperating with NARA and they're the ones in charge of digitizing the documents. So it's a very different situation from what Cruz would have you believe.

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Sam,
I surrender. Let's give Dear Leader a life estate in the Republican nomination and be through with it. Of course, a "get out of jail free" card comes with it as well as pardons for him and the gang.

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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At the end of his presidency, Barack Obama trucked 30 million pages of his administration's records to Chicago...More than five years after Obama's presidency ended, the National Archives webpage reveals that zero pages have been digitized & disclosed..

Obama is a Dem and aint running for office so nobody cares..

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Historians certainly care. The DOJ doesn't care because, unlike Trump, Obama is cooperating with NARA and they're the ones in charge of digitizing the documents. So it's a very different situation from what Cruz would have you believe.

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Sam,
I surrender. Let's give Dear Leader a life estate in the Republican nomination and be through with it. Of course, a "get out of jail free" card comes with it as well as pardons for him and the gang.

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How many of the Jan 6th cronies were pardoned?

Barack Obama, granted clemency to 1,927 people by the end of his second term in the White House.


Donald Trump - granted 143 people granted clemency on 20 January, in addition to the 70 other pardons and 25 commutations granted by Trump throughout his four-year term in office, bringing his total to 238 overall.


So, who is more of a risk to abuse pardoning power??? Do you guys ever get sick of your perceptions being wrong. Maybe you are the weak minded Canada is talking about being swayed by the media. This is not even close. We can quarter Obama's and he still doubles Trumps. Things are not always what the media wants them to be guys. I know he is an *******, but geez.

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At the end of Obama's two-term presidency, he reportedly trucked 30 million pages of administration records gathered during his time in office to Chicago, where he promised to digitize them and put them online.

But years since the end of his presidency, the National Archives states that zero of the estimated 39,000,000 pages have been scanned.

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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At the end of his presidency, Barack Obama trucked 30 million pages of his administration's records to Chicago...More than five years after Obama's presidency ended, the National Archives webpage reveals that zero pages have been digitized & disclosed..

Obama is a Dem and aint running for office so nobody cares..

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Historians certainly care. The DOJ doesn't care because, unlike Trump, Obama is cooperating with NARA and they're the ones in charge of digitizing the documents. So it's a very different situation from what Cruz would have you believe.

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Sam,
I surrender. Let's give Dear Leader a life estate in the Republican nomination and be through with it. Of course, a "get out of jail free" card comes with it as well as pardons for him and the gang.

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How many of the Jan 6th cronies were pardoned?

Barack Obama, granted clemency to 1,927 people by the end of his second term in the White House.


Donald Trump - granted 143 people granted clemency on 20 January, in addition to the 70 other pardons and 25 commutations granted by Trump throughout his four-year term in office, bringing his total to 238 overall.


So, who is more of a risk to abuse pardoning power??? Do you guys ever get sick of your perceptions being wrong. Maybe you are the weak minded Canada is talking about being swayed by the media. This is not even close. We can quarter Obama's and he still doubles Trumps. Things are not always what the media wants them to be guys. I know he is an *******, but geez.

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I surrender. Whatever Trump does is by definition lawful

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Forest Bueller_bf said:

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At the end of Obama's two-term presidency, he reportedly trucked 30 million pages of administration records gathered during his time in office to Chicago, where he promised to digitize them and put them online.

But years since the end of his presidency, the National Archives states that zero of the estimated 39,000,000 pages have been scanned.

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So either they are lying about this being about The Presidential Records act, sinces literally nobody is held to any standard. Or they are on a fishing expedition to find something, anything to incriminate him likely about Jan. 6th, which is not related to the stated purpose of the raid.

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The Presidential Records Act, which states that "The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records," has come into the spotlight after FBI agents raided former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence under the suspicion that he has held onto documents covered under this act.

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Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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At the end of his presidency, Barack Obama trucked 30 million pages of his administration's records to Chicago...More than five years after Obama's presidency ended, the National Archives webpage reveals that zero pages have been digitized & disclosed..

Obama is a Dem and aint running for office so nobody cares..

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Historians certainly care. The DOJ doesn't care because, unlike Trump, Obama is cooperating with NARA and they're the ones in charge of digitizing the documents. So it's a very different situation from what Cruz would have you believe.

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Doesn't sound like Obama is cooperating all that much if exactly zero docs have been turned over after 5 years.

By contrast, it's been reported that Trump, earlier this year, had turned over 15 boxes to the NARA. If true, sounds like Trump is cooperating way more than Obama

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Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Forest Bueller_bf said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Rawhide said:

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HuMcK said:

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This sounds like a coordinated message at this point: Trump's lawyer, Eric, and now Rand have all done media hits where they push the "planted evidence" line. Should go without saying, but that's not a good talking point to get boxed into.

Rand Paul suggests the FBI may have planted evidence in boxes they seized from Mar-a-Lago pic.twitter.com/3yd6I9tlaa

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) August 10, 2022

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I won't disagree. I thought the same thing over the whole Russia collusion fake story

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Not allowing the Attorney's to be there, creates this mess. It amazes me how people continue to avoid transparency on things that can come back and bite you.

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Trump is well aware that they don't typically allow attorneys to be there. He's pushing this talking point to create confusion and preemptively cast doubt on whatever he thinks they might find. There's no basis for any presumption that evidence was planted, but that presumption will be established "fact" in MAGA-World within 24 hours if anything incriminating is found.

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It's also not typical to raid the home of a former president, as a matter of fact it has never happened. So you would think they would want this raid to be as transparent as possible and allowing a Lawyer to observe would keep the speculation of inappropriate acts to a minimum.

Instead you have people ransacking Melania's wardrobe, ransacking Trumps private office, breaking into his Safe, things that should be looked at as untowards no matter your political affiliation.

Instead you have maladjusted people cheering these acts on as if somehow they are righteous.

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One or two lawyers can't look over the shoulders of all those agents. Trump would keep the speculation and misdirection at a maximum regardless.

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So no anger from you over the fact that not one of Trump's lawyers were allowed to observe the FBI during the raid?

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Attorney General Merrick Garland is speaking in about 20 minutes.

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Forest Bueller_bf said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Attorney General Merrick Garland is speaking in about 20 minutes.

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Man that guy is the Robert Jeffress of politics.

Should be interesting.

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All former Presidents get a federally funded office.

Office of the Former President

With staff.

And security clearances.

And Secret Service protection.

And secure facilities (SCIFs) for classified records.

Even if Trump had classified records, they were protected.

Period

— 🇺🇸 Mike Davis 🇺🇸 (@mrddmia) August 11, 2022

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Availability of the Barack Obama Presidential Records

Obama presidential records will become subject to Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests on January 20, 2022 and NARA will make presidential records available under the same standards and practices under which NARA has always administered records in accordance with the Presidential Records Act (PRA).

NARA will process and digitize unclassified textual Presidential records under supervision of NARA archival staff on a timeline determined by FOIA requests beginning on January 20, 2022. For more information, visit NARA's Barack Obama Presidential Library website.

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35 min wait for:

1. doj will unseal the warrant and property receipt barring an objection from trump

2. garland personally approved the raid

3. stop being mean to the FBI

4. that's all, folks

— T. Becket Adams (@BecketAdams) August 11, 2022

Oldbear83 said:

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OsoSamFanBoy: "Trump can release the warrant "

That would be playing the Left's game, treating the warrant as if it were a legal matter and not a cheap shot publicity stunt.

The DOJ could release the warrant if they wanted to show there was a legit reason for sending 30 armed FBI agents after boxes of conversation transcripts and a doodled map.

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RMF5630 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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RMF5630 said:

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riflebear said:

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Important 👇

“The Nixon Library did not release the final batch of his secret tapes until 2013—39 yrs after Nixon was driven from office. The LBJ Library delayed releasing the final batch of his secret tapes…until 2016—47 yrs after he left office.” https://t.co/F89Z0Fii9D

— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) August 11, 2022

Obama, Nixon delayed for years in returning Presidential Records Act-covered documentshttps://t.co/Buy1hyOmCx

— The Post Millennial (@TPostMillennial) August 11, 2022

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This is a witch hunt to disqualify Trump, period. Next they will say he weighs the same as a duck, so burn him.

Any other President and none of this happens. This is an Obama and Dick Cheney inspired witch hunt. Didn't think so until he came out with his message.

There is no other reason to wait 18 months before investigating Jan 6th. Why in 2022? The US doesn't have the investigatory depth to investigate a former President?

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Trump disqualified himself by trying to disrupt a peaceful transfer of power.

Then Republicans wouldn't vote to impeach him and hold him accountable.

I bet McConnell, to the extent that the old crocadile is capable of regret, wishes the rank and files Rs had taken the political hit them and voted to impeach Trump, clearing the way for a candidate without Trump's considerable baggage.

McConnell's silence about what was characterized as a "raid," but involved the seizure of classified documents Trump improperly took from the White House.

He'd already handed over 15 boxes of documents that he was "legally required to leave in the custody of the federal government" this past February:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/07/us/politics/trump-national-archives-documents.html

"The boxes contained items taken from the White House's residence during a hasty exit after Mr. Trump had spent the bulk of the presidential transition trying to find ways to stay in power, according to two people familiar with the process of how the boxes were returned. At the time, Mr. Trump's aides were either preoccupied with helping him overturn the election, trying to stop him or avoiding him."

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Oh really> Which disruption was that?

What day was the election certified?
What day was Biden inaugurated?
What day did Trump leave the White House?

Which of the Jan 6th idiots did Trump pardon?


Huh! Every record I found everything went off on schedule.

Yeah, I know but he was really unhappy about it and gave a speech. You know the one, the one where he told everyone to peacefully demonstrate...

But, I get it. You really know. (Wink). That was just code.

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ScruffyD said:

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and if Trump objects, that should tell many of you something - but sadly it wont.

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J.B.Katz said:

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RMF5630 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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RMF5630 said:

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riflebear said:

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Important 👇

“The Nixon Library did not release the final batch of his secret tapes until 2013—39 yrs after Nixon was driven from office. The LBJ Library delayed releasing the final batch of his secret tapes…until 2016—47 yrs after he left office.” https://t.co/F89Z0Fii9D

— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) August 11, 2022

Obama, Nixon delayed for years in returning Presidential Records Act-covered documentshttps://t.co/Buy1hyOmCx

— The Post Millennial (@TPostMillennial) August 11, 2022

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This is a witch hunt to disqualify Trump, period. Next they will say he weighs the same as a duck, so burn him.

Any other President and none of this happens. This is an Obama and Dick Cheney inspired witch hunt. Didn't think so until he came out with his message.

There is no other reason to wait 18 months before investigating Jan 6th. Why in 2022? The US doesn't have the investigatory depth to investigate a former President?

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Trump disqualified himself by trying to disrupt a peaceful transfer of power.

Then Republicans wouldn't vote to impeach him and hold him accountable.

I bet McConnell, to the extent that the old crocadile is capable of regret, wishes the rank and files Rs had taken the political hit them and voted to impeach Trump, clearing the way for a candidate without Trump's considerable baggage.

McConnell's silence about what was characterized as a "raid," but involved the seizure of classified documents Trump improperly took from the White House.

He'd already handed over 15 boxes of documents that he was "legally required to leave in the custody of the federal government" this past February:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/07/us/politics/trump-national-archives-documents.html

"The boxes contained items taken from the White House's residence during a hasty exit after Mr. Trump had spent the bulk of the presidential transition trying to find ways to stay in power, according to two people familiar with the process of how the boxes were returned. At the time, Mr. Trump's aides were either preoccupied with helping him overturn the election, trying to stop him or avoiding him."

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Oh really> Which disruption was that?

What day was the election certified?
What day was Biden inaugurated?
What day did Trump leave the White House?

Which of the Jan 6th idiots did Trump pardon?


Huh! Every record I found everything went off on schedule.

Yeah, I know but he was really unhappy about it and gave a speech. You know the one, the one where he told everyone to peacefully demonstrate...

But, I get it. You really know. (Wink). That was just code.

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So, since Trump didn't succeed in disrupting a transfer of power (because Mike Pence refused to go along with the plan), no harm no foul?

That's not how the law works.

As for villifying Merrick Garland, both sides have it wrong, but the right's ape-sh-t response is beyond the pale:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/10/merrick-garland-trump-search/

Both sides have it wrong. Neither seems to understand the first thing about the deliberative, hyper-methodical attorney general. Garland was going to go slow, or appear that way, because going slow is what careful lawyers do and because responsible prosecutors do not show their hands in public until they are ready to bring charges. Yes, much to the dismay of those eager to see Trump in handcuffs, Garland is innately and immensely cautious but caution is warranted in the case of an attorney general weighing the monumental step of prosecuting a former president.

But if liberals needed to find their inner Zen when it came to Garland, conservatives are positively unhinged. Their portrayal of Garland and his stewardship of the Justice Department bears no relation to the man or his performance. It is a caricature that would be laughable if it were not so alarming.

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HuMcK said:

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Keep in mind that everything we know about the search so far most likely comes from the Trump camp, trying to set more favorable narratives before any verifiable facts come out, because we know DoJ ain't talking. They could tamp down all the guessing by showing the warrant they were served with, but they have so far refused. The natural question that arises is: why not just show the warrant?

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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OsoSamFanBoy: "Trump can release the warrant "

That would be playing the Left's game, treating the warrant as if it were a legal matter and not a cheap shot publicity stunt.

The DOJ could release the warrant if they wanted to show there was a legit reason for sending 30 armed FBI agents after boxes of conversation transcripts and a doodled map.

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Garland made clear that Trump and his lawyer had the warrant and receipt from Day 1 and could have released it. Since they're not doing so, the Justice Department is asking the court to permit the government to do so.

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ScruffyD said:

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If it is classified information, that is not a speeding ticket.

He took it improperly. He was asked for it back. He didn't do it. Do you not wonder why that is?

The storage of classified information was a big deal to many of you in 2016. Interesting that it is less so now. Just tucked in a closet with a padlock at a second rate Bushwood Country Club.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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OsoSamFanBoy: "Trump can release the warrant "

That would be playing the Left's game, treating the warrant as if it were a legal matter and not a cheap shot publicity stunt.

The DOJ could release the warrant if they wanted to show there was a legit reason for sending 30 armed FBI agents after boxes of conversation transcripts and a doodled map.

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Garland made clear that Trump and his lawyer had the warrant and receipt from Day 1 and could have released it. Since they're not doing so, the Justice Department is asking the court to permit the government to do so.

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Of course our zero-credibility leftist AG sides with Oso and the Washington Post.

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ScruffyD said:

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How many times did she plead the 5th?

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Osodecentx said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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OsoSamFanBoy: "Trump can release the warrant "

That would be playing the Left's game, treating the warrant as if it were a legal matter and not a cheap shot publicity stunt.

The DOJ could release the warrant if they wanted to show there was a legit reason for sending 30 armed FBI agents after boxes of conversation transcripts and a doodled map.

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Garland made clear that Trump and his lawyer had the warrant and receipt from Day 1 and could have released it. Since they're not doing so, the Justice Department is asking the court to permit the government to do so.

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Of course our zero-credibility leftist AG sides with Oso and the Washington Post.

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Justice Dept. seeks to unseal motion for search warrant at Trump's Mar-a-Lago
Attorney General Merrick Garland said he personally authorized the request to search Mar-a-Lago on Monday

Attorney General Merrick Garland announced Thursday that the Justice Department has filed a motion for a judge to unseal the court-authorized warrant that led FBI agents to search the Florida residence of former President Donald Trump.
Garland said he personally authorized the request for a search warrant and decided to file the motion to unseal since Trump had confirmed to the public that the FBI raided his property.
The statement Thursday marks Garland's first public appearance or comment since agents executed the warrant at Mar-A-Lago resort, taking about a dozen boxes of material after opening a safe and entering a padlocked storage area.
In keeping with general Justice Department practice, Garland has so far refrained from revealing details about the investigation involving Trump, which people familiar with the situation said is focused on whether the former president or his aides withheld classified or other government material that should have been returned to government custody.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/08/11/garland-trump-mar-a-lago/?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=wp_news_alert_revere&location=alert

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