FBI raids Trump's home

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whiterock
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https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/29/one-giant-problem-with-the-fbis-mar-a-lago-raid/

Link states status quo on the question of Presidential classification authority, giving an example I have cited here previously:

"...But in 2017, there were still a few adults at the Washington Post who felt the need to educate the public. Another headline read, "No, Trump did not break the law in talking classified details with the Russians," adding, "The president is essentially the ultimate arbiter of what is classified and what is not. While the heads of particular agencies also have original classification authoritythe power to deem material classified or not classifiedtheir authority is limited to their departments and bound by their departments' particular rules."

"When it comes to classification issues and those kinds of things, he's not above the law," defense attorney Edward B. MacMahon, Jr., told the Post. "He basically is the law."

In other words, Trump did not break the law by revealing classified information to the Russians because the president is the ultimate authority over what is classified. He can reveal or share anything with anyone regardless of its security classification. He doesn't need to follow any procedures or make the decision in writing. If the person with whom he shares the information is not "cleared" to access that classified information, then the classification is automatically modified to permit such access. All that's needed is something that clearly demonstrates the president's intent to share or otherwise dispose of the classified information. Thus, the moment the president told the Russians about the terrorist plot, those Russians were legally allowed to possess the information...."

...and then goes on to make the appropriate connection:

"....When those trucks arrived at Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump was still president. The decision to repose classified documents in Mar-a-Lago was a presidential decision. Joe Biden might not have agreed with Trump's decision keep these records after leaving office. But this situation is no different than Trump's decision to share intelligence with the Russians. He made an executive decision to repose classified documents in his personal residence...."

Garland chose to make a political issue out of this by not waiting until after the mid-terms. After the mid-terms are done, he might chose to de-escalate by announcing he will not seek indictment. That would be a step toward addressing growing public concern over politicization in the DOJ/FBI. Or he could proceed with indictment and set of a titanic constitutional crisis which would require SCOTUS to end. That is a high risk gamble, as it might or might not be settled by election day 2022. (HINT: this SCOTUS is not likely to allow a former POTUS to be prosecuted over something that has traditionally been an implicit power of the office.) So escalation to push this issue into the 2024 elections risks a humiliating defeat in an election year.

For those reasons, in normal politics, Garland could be expected to withdraw after the mid-terms.

But we are not in "normal politics."
We are in "regime politics."
Democrats genuinely appear to believe their own propaganda, that they are defending the realm from fascism.
Prepare for a bumpy ride.
Sam Lowry
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Has democracy been restored and the overdue library books returned yet?

Think about it ... in the last few year the FBI has:
1. Been complicit in launching a Russia-based hoax and attack on a sitting president
2. Actively encouraged suppression of information potentially harmful to a political candidate
3. Launched an unprecedented political stunt raid on a former president to distract from a mid-term election
Bill Barr is right about the FBI, as he was about most things related to Russiagate. There are what he calls pockets of political activism in the bureau, but how much mischief they can do depends largely on leadership, and the current leadership under Wray is not overly politicized. The FBI is still a legitimate institution doing valuable work. To suggest otherwise is convenient for Trump loyalists, but it's inaccurate and unfair much like the anti-police rhetoric of the far left. Besides which no one really believes it. The next time they start investigating some high-profile Democrat, this forum's opinion of the FBI will do a complete 180 and no one will even notice.
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ScruffyD said:

Again, FBI Directors and Attorneys General are to be independent agencies. They aren't the President's personal law firm or political arm. I know Trump conditioned you otherwise.

The point being made here is the world is just not a fair place. Sometimes it has nothing to do with the need for giving oxygen to grievance politics.

Really. Why is it under Obama and Biden, they are independent. Yet, Barr was partisan... You play the rules which ever way suits yours and the other Dems needs.

AGs are appointed by the President, they are a Cabinet Officer. They are ALWAYS political. It goes with the Appointment. If it wasn't, than they would be under Civil Service. They are supposed to NOT be political. If you are appointed, you are political...
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Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Has democracy been restored and the overdue library books returned yet?

Think about it ... in the last few year the FBI has:
1. Been complicit in launching a Russia-based hoax and attack on a sitting president
2. Actively encouraged suppression of information potentially harmful to a political candidate
3. Launched an unprecedented political stunt raid on a former president to distract from a mid-term election
Bill Barr is right about the FBI, as he was about most things related to Russiagate. There are what he calls pockets of political activism in the bureau, but how much mischief they can do depends largely on leadership, and the current leadership under Wray is not overly politicized. The FBI is still a legitimate institution doing valuable work. To suggest otherwise is convenient for Trump loyalists, but it's inaccurate and unfair much like the anti-police rhetoric of the far left. Besides which no one really believes it. The next time they start investigating some high-profile Democrat, this forum's opinion of the FBI will do a complete 180 and no one will even notice.
No one is saying the FBI is not doing valuable work. 99% of their work is legitimate and done well. It is when the Appointed's get involved. To say that Garland, Comey, Barr or any other AG is not political is ridiculous. This is a political hit on Trump. They are using the heavier handed allowable tactics to deal with this. Is is allowable under law, yes. Are they using unnecessary tactics to make a political point, YES.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Has democracy been restored and the overdue library books returned yet?

Think about it ... in the last few year the FBI has:
1. Been complicit in launching a Russia-based hoax and attack on a sitting president
2. Actively encouraged suppression of information potentially harmful to a political candidate
3. Launched an unprecedented political stunt raid on a former president to distract from a mid-term election
The list is longer when adding various FBI entrapment outrages involving us common folk .

FBI has become the 'legal' muscle for the Democratic Party .

One of the many legacies of Barrack Hussein Obama .
Sam Lowry
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RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Has democracy been restored and the overdue library books returned yet?

Think about it ... in the last few year the FBI has:
1. Been complicit in launching a Russia-based hoax and attack on a sitting president
2. Actively encouraged suppression of information potentially harmful to a political candidate
3. Launched an unprecedented political stunt raid on a former president to distract from a mid-term election
Bill Barr is right about the FBI, as he was about most things related to Russiagate. There are what he calls pockets of political activism in the bureau, but how much mischief they can do depends largely on leadership, and the current leadership under Wray is not overly politicized. The FBI is still a legitimate institution doing valuable work. To suggest otherwise is convenient for Trump loyalists, but it's inaccurate and unfair much like the anti-police rhetoric of the far left. Besides which no one really believes it. The next time they start investigating some high-profile Democrat, this forum's opinion of the FBI will do a complete 180 and no one will even notice.
No one is saying the FBI is not doing valuable work. 99% of their work is legitimate and done well. It is when the Appointed's get involved. To say that Garland, Comey, Barr or any other AG is not political is ridiculous. This is a political hit on Trump. They are using the heavier handed allowable tactics to deal with this. Is is allowable under law, yes. Are they using unnecessary tactics to make a political point, YES.
We don't know that. It's your opinion because this is an election year. Lots of things happen during election years.
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Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Has democracy been restored and the overdue library books returned yet?

Think about it ... in the last few year the FBI has:
1. Been complicit in launching a Russia-based hoax and attack on a sitting president
2. Actively encouraged suppression of information potentially harmful to a political candidate
3. Launched an unprecedented political stunt raid on a former president to distract from a mid-term election
and the current leadership under Wray is not overly politicized. T....
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Sam Lowry said:

RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Has democracy been restored and the overdue library books returned yet?

Think about it ... in the last few year the FBI has:
1. Been complicit in launching a Russia-based hoax and attack on a sitting president
2. Actively encouraged suppression of information potentially harmful to a political candidate
3. Launched an unprecedented political stunt raid on a former president to distract from a mid-term election
Bill Barr is right about the FBI, as he was about most things related to Russiagate. There are what he calls pockets of political activism in the bureau, but how much mischief they can do depends largely on leadership, and the current leadership under Wray is not overly politicized. The FBI is still a legitimate institution doing valuable work. To suggest otherwise is convenient for Trump loyalists, but it's inaccurate and unfair much like the anti-police rhetoric of the far left. Besides which no one really believes it. The next time they start investigating some high-profile Democrat, this forum's opinion of the FBI will do a complete 180 and no one will even notice.
No one is saying the FBI is not doing valuable work. 99% of their work is legitimate and done well. It is when the Appointed's get involved. To say that Garland, Comey, Barr or any other AG is not political is ridiculous. This is a political hit on Trump. They are using the heavier handed allowable tactics to deal with this. Is is allowable under law, yes. Are they using unnecessary tactics to make a political point, YES.
We don't know that. It's your opinion because this is an election year. Lots of things happen during election years.
Sam, you are able to say that with a straight face??

Mishandling of Federal Records? Because they took a box from the White House when he left? Records keeping requires 30 FBI agents. Records that were packed with NARA there, they have an inventory and have been there for over 18 months. This is requires a criminal investigation? There is no mystery to what is there, they have an inventory. Garland just couldn't wait until after the midterms (3 months from now) because? He was going to sell them? A maid may find them? Those 3 months were more important than the 18 they were sitting in the room that the US Government paid for moving company put them?

This would be comical if the ramifications were not so great. This is not electric data that could be hacked like Hillary's server farm in her basement, these are hard copy paper documents that someone would have to dig through boxes to find. Yeah, you are right. This is all above board and warrants a SWAT team...
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RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Has democracy been restored and the overdue library books returned yet?

Think about it ... in the last few year the FBI has:
1. Been complicit in launching a Russia-based hoax and attack on a sitting president
2. Actively encouraged suppression of information potentially harmful to a political candidate
3. Launched an unprecedented political stunt raid on a former president to distract from a mid-term election
Bill Barr is right about the FBI, as he was about most things related to Russiagate. There are what he calls pockets of political activism in the bureau, but how much mischief they can do depends largely on leadership, and the current leadership under Wray is not overly politicized. The FBI is still a legitimate institution doing valuable work. To suggest otherwise is convenient for Trump loyalists, but it's inaccurate and unfair much like the anti-police rhetoric of the far left. Besides which no one really believes it. The next time they start investigating some high-profile Democrat, this forum's opinion of the FBI will do a complete 180 and no one will even notice.
No one is saying the FBI is not doing valuable work. 99% of their work is legitimate and done well. It is when the Appointed's get involved. To say that Garland, Comey, Barr or any other AG is not political is ridiculous. This is a political hit on Trump. They are using the heavier handed allowable tactics to deal with this. Is is allowable under law, yes. Are they using unnecessary tactics to make a political point, YES.
A poster on this thread referred to the FBI as KGB agents"
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Osodecentx said:

RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Has democracy been restored and the overdue library books returned yet?

Think about it ... in the last few year the FBI has:
1. Been complicit in launching a Russia-based hoax and attack on a sitting president
2. Actively encouraged suppression of information potentially harmful to a political candidate
3. Launched an unprecedented political stunt raid on a former president to distract from a mid-term election
Bill Barr is right about the FBI, as he was about most things related to Russiagate. There are what he calls pockets of political activism in the bureau, but how much mischief they can do depends largely on leadership, and the current leadership under Wray is not overly politicized. The FBI is still a legitimate institution doing valuable work. To suggest otherwise is convenient for Trump loyalists, but it's inaccurate and unfair much like the anti-police rhetoric of the far left. Besides which no one really believes it. The next time they start investigating some high-profile Democrat, this forum's opinion of the FBI will do a complete 180 and no one will even notice.
No one is saying the FBI is not doing valuable work. 99% of their work is legitimate and done well. It is when the Appointed's get involved. To say that Garland, Comey, Barr or any other AG is not political is ridiculous. This is a political hit on Trump. They are using the heavier handed allowable tactics to deal with this. Is is allowable under law, yes. Are they using unnecessary tactics to make a political point, YES.
A poster on this thread referred to the FBI as KGB agents"

A bit much...

The field guys are just doing there jobs.
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Osodecentx said:

RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Has democracy been restored and the overdue library books returned yet?

Think about it ... in the last few year the FBI has:
1. Been complicit in launching a Russia-based hoax and attack on a sitting president
2. Actively encouraged suppression of information potentially harmful to a political candidate
3. Launched an unprecedented political stunt raid on a former president to distract from a mid-term election
Bill Barr is right about the FBI, as he was about most things related to Russiagate. There are what he calls pockets of political activism in the bureau, but how much mischief they can do depends largely on leadership, and the current leadership under Wray is not overly politicized. The FBI is still a legitimate institution doing valuable work. To suggest otherwise is convenient for Trump loyalists, but it's inaccurate and unfair much like the anti-police rhetoric of the far left. Besides which no one really believes it. The next time they start investigating some high-profile Democrat, this forum's opinion of the FBI will do a complete 180 and no one will even notice.
No one is saying the FBI is not doing valuable work. 99% of their work is legitimate and done well. It is when the Appointed's get involved. To say that Garland, Comey, Barr or any other AG is not political is ridiculous. This is a political hit on Trump. They are using the heavier handed allowable tactics to deal with this. Is is allowable under law, yes. Are they using unnecessary tactics to make a political point, YES.
A poster on this thread referred to the FBI as KGB agents"



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Canada2017 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Has democracy been restored and the overdue library books returned yet?

Think about it ... in the last few year the FBI has:
1. Been complicit in launching a Russia-based hoax and attack on a sitting president
2. Actively encouraged suppression of information potentially harmful to a political candidate
3. Launched an unprecedented political stunt raid on a former president to distract from a mid-term election
The list is longer when adding various FBI entrapment outrages involving us common folk .

FBI has become the 'legal' muscle for the Democratic Party .

One of the many legacies of Barrack Hussein Obama .
Correct. It basically entrapped some poor loser in Michigan in a fake governor plot and targeted school board parents as "white supremacists" and "domestic terrorists." Meanwhile, record numbers of potential terrorists and deadly drugs flow openly across the border ... sound like the priorities are in place.

And we still do not know what the reported 200 FBI agents were doing at the Capitol on Jan. 6 or why its informant - who obviously was encouraging law breaking - seems to be the only one not charged.
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whiterock said:

https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/29/one-giant-problem-with-the-fbis-mar-a-lago-raid/

Link states status quo on the question of Presidential classification authority, giving an example I have cited here previously:

"...But in 2017, there were still a few adults at the Washington Post who felt the need to educate the public. Another headline read, "No, Trump did not break the law in talking classified details with the Russians," adding, "The president is essentially the ultimate arbiter of what is classified and what is not. While the heads of particular agencies also have original classification authoritythe power to deem material classified or not classifiedtheir authority is limited to their departments and bound by their departments' particular rules."

"When it comes to classification issues and those kinds of things, he's not above the law," defense attorney Edward B. MacMahon, Jr., told the Post. "He basically is the law."

In other words, Trump did not break the law by revealing classified information to the Russians because the president is the ultimate authority over what is classified. He can reveal or share anything with anyone regardless of its security classification. He doesn't need to follow any procedures or make the decision in writing. If the person with whom he shares the information is not "cleared" to access that classified information, then the classification is automatically modified to permit such access. All that's needed is something that clearly demonstrates the president's intent to share or otherwise dispose of the classified information. Thus, the moment the president told the Russians about the terrorist plot, those Russians were legally allowed to possess the information...."

...and then goes on to make the appropriate connection:

"....When those trucks arrived at Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump was still president. The decision to repose classified documents in Mar-a-Lago was a presidential decision. Joe Biden might not have agreed with Trump's decision keep these records after leaving office. But this situation is no different than Trump's decision to share intelligence with the Russians. He made an executive decision to repose classified documents in his personal residence...."

Garland chose to make a political issue out of this by not waiting until after the mid-terms. After the mid-terms are done, he might chose to de-escalate by announcing he will not seek indictment. That would be a step toward addressing growing public concern over politicization in the DOJ/FBI. Or he could proceed with indictment and set of a titanic constitutional crisis which would require SCOTUS to end. That is a high risk gamble, as it might or might not be settled by election day 2022. (HINT: this SCOTUS is not likely to allow a former POTUS to be prosecuted over something that has traditionally been an implicit power of the office.) So escalation to push this issue into the 2024 elections risks a humiliating defeat in an election year.

For those reasons, in normal politics, Garland could be expected to withdraw after the mid-terms.

But we are not in "normal politics."
We are in "regime politics."
Democrats genuinely appear to believe their own propaganda, that they are defending the realm from fascism.
Prepare for a bumpy ride.

Correct. The president is the ultimate arbiter of what is classified or not. That's why it has been obvious from day one it was a political stunt to get overdue library books to the National Archives, which is unprecedented in another act of authoritarian destruction of polity and protocol. Every president keeps records - let's name the last one to get raided by the FBI to return them.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

whiterock said:

https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/29/one-giant-problem-with-the-fbis-mar-a-lago-raid/

Link states status quo on the question of Presidential classification authority, giving an example I have cited here previously:

"...But in 2017, there were still a few adults at the Washington Post who felt the need to educate the public. Another headline read, "No, Trump did not break the law in talking classified details with the Russians," adding, "The president is essentially the ultimate arbiter of what is classified and what is not. While the heads of particular agencies also have original classification authoritythe power to deem material classified or not classifiedtheir authority is limited to their departments and bound by their departments' particular rules."

"When it comes to classification issues and those kinds of things, he's not above the law," defense attorney Edward B. MacMahon, Jr., told the Post. "He basically is the law."

In other words, Trump did not break the law by revealing classified information to the Russians because the president is the ultimate authority over what is classified. He can reveal or share anything with anyone regardless of its security classification. He doesn't need to follow any procedures or make the decision in writing. If the person with whom he shares the information is not "cleared" to access that classified information, then the classification is automatically modified to permit such access. All that's needed is something that clearly demonstrates the president's intent to share or otherwise dispose of the classified information. Thus, the moment the president told the Russians about the terrorist plot, those Russians were legally allowed to possess the information...."

...and then goes on to make the appropriate connection:

"....When those trucks arrived at Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump was still president. The decision to repose classified documents in Mar-a-Lago was a presidential decision. Joe Biden might not have agreed with Trump's decision keep these records after leaving office. But this situation is no different than Trump's decision to share intelligence with the Russians. He made an executive decision to repose classified documents in his personal residence...."

Garland chose to make a political issue out of this by not waiting until after the mid-terms. After the mid-terms are done, he might chose to de-escalate by announcing he will not seek indictment. That would be a step toward addressing growing public concern over politicization in the DOJ/FBI. Or he could proceed with indictment and set of a titanic constitutional crisis which would require SCOTUS to end. That is a high risk gamble, as it might or might not be settled by election day 2022. (HINT: this SCOTUS is not likely to allow a former POTUS to be prosecuted over something that has traditionally been an implicit power of the office.) So escalation to push this issue into the 2024 elections risks a humiliating defeat in an election year.

For those reasons, in normal politics, Garland could be expected to withdraw after the mid-terms.

But we are not in "normal politics."
We are in "regime politics."
Democrats genuinely appear to believe their own propaganda, that they are defending the realm from fascism.
Prepare for a bumpy ride.

Correct. The president is the ultimate arbiter of what is classified or not. That's why it has been obvious from day one it was a political stunt to get overdue library books to the National Archives, which is unprecedented in another act of authoritarian destruction of polity and protocol. Every president keeps records - let's name the last one to get raided by the FBI to return them.
The same Government, inventoried, packed the boxes and paid to have them shipped to the location that the FBI had to raid to protect National Security.
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Sam Lowry said:

RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Has democracy been restored and the overdue library books returned yet?

Think about it ... in the last few year the FBI has:
1. Been complicit in launching a Russia-based hoax and attack on a sitting president
2. Actively encouraged suppression of information potentially harmful to a political candidate
3. Launched an unprecedented political stunt raid on a former president to distract from a mid-term election
Bill Barr is right about the FBI, as he was about most things related to Russiagate. There are what he calls pockets of political activism in the bureau, but how much mischief they can do depends largely on leadership, and the current leadership under Wray is not overly politicized. The FBI is still a legitimate institution doing valuable work. To suggest otherwise is convenient for Trump loyalists, but it's inaccurate and unfair much like the anti-police rhetoric of the far left. Besides which no one really believes it. The next time they start investigating some high-profile Democrat, this forum's opinion of the FBI will do a complete 180 and no one will even notice.
No one is saying the FBI is not doing valuable work. 99% of their work is legitimate and done well. It is when the Appointed's get involved. To say that Garland, Comey, Barr or any other AG is not political is ridiculous. This is a political hit on Trump. They are using the heavier handed allowable tactics to deal with this. Is is allowable under law, yes. Are they using unnecessary tactics to make a political point, YES.
We don't know that. It's your opinion because this is an election year. Lots of things happen during election years.
One of the oldest rules of politics: "if it happens in an election year, its political."
whiterock
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Osodecentx said:

RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Has democracy been restored and the overdue library books returned yet?

Think about it ... in the last few year the FBI has:
1. Been complicit in launching a Russia-based hoax and attack on a sitting president
2. Actively encouraged suppression of information potentially harmful to a political candidate
3. Launched an unprecedented political stunt raid on a former president to distract from a mid-term election
Bill Barr is right about the FBI, as he was about most things related to Russiagate. There are what he calls pockets of political activism in the bureau, but how much mischief they can do depends largely on leadership, and the current leadership under Wray is not overly politicized. The FBI is still a legitimate institution doing valuable work. To suggest otherwise is convenient for Trump loyalists, but it's inaccurate and unfair much like the anti-police rhetoric of the far left. Besides which no one really believes it. The next time they start investigating some high-profile Democrat, this forum's opinion of the FBI will do a complete 180 and no one will even notice.
No one is saying the FBI is not doing valuable work. 99% of their work is legitimate and done well. It is when the Appointed's get involved. To say that Garland, Comey, Barr or any other AG is not political is ridiculous. This is a political hit on Trump. They are using the heavier handed allowable tactics to deal with this. Is is allowable under law, yes. Are they using unnecessary tactics to make a political point, YES.
A poster on this thread referred to the FBI as KGB agents"

A few arguably fit the bill.
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RMF5630 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

whiterock said:

https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/29/one-giant-problem-with-the-fbis-mar-a-lago-raid/

Link states status quo on the question of Presidential classification authority, giving an example I have cited here previously:

"...But in 2017, there were still a few adults at the Washington Post who felt the need to educate the public. Another headline read, "No, Trump did not break the law in talking classified details with the Russians," adding, "The president is essentially the ultimate arbiter of what is classified and what is not. While the heads of particular agencies also have original classification authoritythe power to deem material classified or not classifiedtheir authority is limited to their departments and bound by their departments' particular rules."

"When it comes to classification issues and those kinds of things, he's not above the law," defense attorney Edward B. MacMahon, Jr., told the Post. "He basically is the law."

In other words, Trump did not break the law by revealing classified information to the Russians because the president is the ultimate authority over what is classified. He can reveal or share anything with anyone regardless of its security classification. He doesn't need to follow any procedures or make the decision in writing. If the person with whom he shares the information is not "cleared" to access that classified information, then the classification is automatically modified to permit such access. All that's needed is something that clearly demonstrates the president's intent to share or otherwise dispose of the classified information. Thus, the moment the president told the Russians about the terrorist plot, those Russians were legally allowed to possess the information...."

...and then goes on to make the appropriate connection:

"....When those trucks arrived at Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump was still president. The decision to repose classified documents in Mar-a-Lago was a presidential decision. Joe Biden might not have agreed with Trump's decision keep these records after leaving office. But this situation is no different than Trump's decision to share intelligence with the Russians. He made an executive decision to repose classified documents in his personal residence...."

Garland chose to make a political issue out of this by not waiting until after the mid-terms. After the mid-terms are done, he might chose to de-escalate by announcing he will not seek indictment. That would be a step toward addressing growing public concern over politicization in the DOJ/FBI. Or he could proceed with indictment and set of a titanic constitutional crisis which would require SCOTUS to end. That is a high risk gamble, as it might or might not be settled by election day 2022. (HINT: this SCOTUS is not likely to allow a former POTUS to be prosecuted over something that has traditionally been an implicit power of the office.) So escalation to push this issue into the 2024 elections risks a humiliating defeat in an election year.

For those reasons, in normal politics, Garland could be expected to withdraw after the mid-terms.

But we are not in "normal politics."
We are in "regime politics."
Democrats genuinely appear to believe their own propaganda, that they are defending the realm from fascism.
Prepare for a bumpy ride.

Correct. The president is the ultimate arbiter of what is classified or not. That's why it has been obvious from day one it was a political stunt to get overdue library books to the National Archives, which is unprecedented in another act of authoritarian destruction of polity and protocol. Every president keeps records - let's name the last one to get raided by the FBI to return them.
The same Government, inventoried, packed the boxes and paid to have them shipped to the location that the FBI had to raid to protect National Security.
...at a location guarded by the United States Secret Service
Canada2017
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RMF5630 said:

Osodecentx said:

RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Has democracy been restored and the overdue library books returned yet?

Think about it ... in the last few year the FBI has:
1. Been complicit in launching a Russia-based hoax and attack on a sitting president
2. Actively encouraged suppression of information potentially harmful to a political candidate
3. Launched an unprecedented political stunt raid on a former president to distract from a mid-term election
Bill Barr is right about the FBI, as he was about most things related to Russiagate. There are what he calls pockets of political activism in the bureau, but how much mischief they can do depends largely on leadership, and the current leadership under Wray is not overly politicized. The FBI is still a legitimate institution doing valuable work. To suggest otherwise is convenient for Trump loyalists, but it's inaccurate and unfair much like the anti-police rhetoric of the far left. Besides which no one really believes it. The next time they start investigating some high-profile Democrat, this forum's opinion of the FBI will do a complete 180 and no one will even notice.
No one is saying the FBI is not doing valuable work. 99% of their work is legitimate and done well. It is when the Appointed's get involved. To say that Garland, Comey, Barr or any other AG is not political is ridiculous. This is a political hit on Trump. They are using the heavier handed allowable tactics to deal with this. Is is allowable under law, yes. Are they using unnecessary tactics to make a political point, YES.
A poster on this thread referred to the FBI as KGB agents"



The field guys are just doing there jobs.
So were KGB field agents.

For that matter so were the guards at the Nazi death camps .

If these FBI agents were all that 'noble'....many would be resigning and going public with some of their entrapment attempts over the last 18 months .




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Sam and Oso, we got a code red!

AG garland sent out a memo to all of DOJ to not talk to congress.. how does oversight work if DOJ isnt talking to congress?
“The Internet is just a world passing around notes in a classroom.”

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Sam Lowry
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whiterock said:

RMF5630 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

whiterock said:

https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/29/one-giant-problem-with-the-fbis-mar-a-lago-raid/

Link states status quo on the question of Presidential classification authority, giving an example I have cited here previously:

"...But in 2017, there were still a few adults at the Washington Post who felt the need to educate the public. Another headline read, "No, Trump did not break the law in talking classified details with the Russians," adding, "The president is essentially the ultimate arbiter of what is classified and what is not. While the heads of particular agencies also have original classification authoritythe power to deem material classified or not classifiedtheir authority is limited to their departments and bound by their departments' particular rules."

"When it comes to classification issues and those kinds of things, he's not above the law," defense attorney Edward B. MacMahon, Jr., told the Post. "He basically is the law."

In other words, Trump did not break the law by revealing classified information to the Russians because the president is the ultimate authority over what is classified. He can reveal or share anything with anyone regardless of its security classification. He doesn't need to follow any procedures or make the decision in writing. If the person with whom he shares the information is not "cleared" to access that classified information, then the classification is automatically modified to permit such access. All that's needed is something that clearly demonstrates the president's intent to share or otherwise dispose of the classified information. Thus, the moment the president told the Russians about the terrorist plot, those Russians were legally allowed to possess the information...."

...and then goes on to make the appropriate connection:

"....When those trucks arrived at Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump was still president. The decision to repose classified documents in Mar-a-Lago was a presidential decision. Joe Biden might not have agreed with Trump's decision keep these records after leaving office. But this situation is no different than Trump's decision to share intelligence with the Russians. He made an executive decision to repose classified documents in his personal residence...."

Garland chose to make a political issue out of this by not waiting until after the mid-terms. After the mid-terms are done, he might chose to de-escalate by announcing he will not seek indictment. That would be a step toward addressing growing public concern over politicization in the DOJ/FBI. Or he could proceed with indictment and set of a titanic constitutional crisis which would require SCOTUS to end. That is a high risk gamble, as it might or might not be settled by election day 2022. (HINT: this SCOTUS is not likely to allow a former POTUS to be prosecuted over something that has traditionally been an implicit power of the office.) So escalation to push this issue into the 2024 elections risks a humiliating defeat in an election year.

For those reasons, in normal politics, Garland could be expected to withdraw after the mid-terms.

But we are not in "normal politics."
We are in "regime politics."
Democrats genuinely appear to believe their own propaganda, that they are defending the realm from fascism.
Prepare for a bumpy ride.

Correct. The president is the ultimate arbiter of what is classified or not. That's why it has been obvious from day one it was a political stunt to get overdue library books to the National Archives, which is unprecedented in another act of authoritarian destruction of polity and protocol. Every president keeps records - let's name the last one to get raided by the FBI to return them.
The same Government, inventoried, packed the boxes and paid to have them shipped to the location that the FBI had to raid to protect National Security.
...at a location guarded by the United States Secret Service
Stop deluding these poor people. You know good and well the Secret Service isn't there to monitor what Trump does with his documents.
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4th and Inches said:

Sam and Oso, we got a code red!

AG garland sent out a memo to all of DOJ to not talk to congress.. how does oversight work if DOJ isnt talking to congress?

Link?
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Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

RMF5630 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

whiterock said:

https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/29/one-giant-problem-with-the-fbis-mar-a-lago-raid/

Link states status quo on the question of Presidential classification authority, giving an example I have cited here previously:

"...But in 2017, there were still a few adults at the Washington Post who felt the need to educate the public. Another headline read, "No, Trump did not break the law in talking classified details with the Russians," adding, "The president is essentially the ultimate arbiter of what is classified and what is not. While the heads of particular agencies also have original classification authoritythe power to deem material classified or not classifiedtheir authority is limited to their departments and bound by their departments' particular rules."

"When it comes to classification issues and those kinds of things, he's not above the law," defense attorney Edward B. MacMahon, Jr., told the Post. "He basically is the law."

In other words, Trump did not break the law by revealing classified information to the Russians because the president is the ultimate authority over what is classified. He can reveal or share anything with anyone regardless of its security classification. He doesn't need to follow any procedures or make the decision in writing. If the person with whom he shares the information is not "cleared" to access that classified information, then the classification is automatically modified to permit such access. All that's needed is something that clearly demonstrates the president's intent to share or otherwise dispose of the classified information. Thus, the moment the president told the Russians about the terrorist plot, those Russians were legally allowed to possess the information...."

...and then goes on to make the appropriate connection:

"....When those trucks arrived at Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump was still president. The decision to repose classified documents in Mar-a-Lago was a presidential decision. Joe Biden might not have agreed with Trump's decision keep these records after leaving office. But this situation is no different than Trump's decision to share intelligence with the Russians. He made an executive decision to repose classified documents in his personal residence...."

Garland chose to make a political issue out of this by not waiting until after the mid-terms. After the mid-terms are done, he might chose to de-escalate by announcing he will not seek indictment. That would be a step toward addressing growing public concern over politicization in the DOJ/FBI. Or he could proceed with indictment and set of a titanic constitutional crisis which would require SCOTUS to end. That is a high risk gamble, as it might or might not be settled by election day 2022. (HINT: this SCOTUS is not likely to allow a former POTUS to be prosecuted over something that has traditionally been an implicit power of the office.) So escalation to push this issue into the 2024 elections risks a humiliating defeat in an election year.

For those reasons, in normal politics, Garland could be expected to withdraw after the mid-terms.

But we are not in "normal politics."
We are in "regime politics."
Democrats genuinely appear to believe their own propaganda, that they are defending the realm from fascism.
Prepare for a bumpy ride.

Correct. The president is the ultimate arbiter of what is classified or not. That's why it has been obvious from day one it was a political stunt to get overdue library books to the National Archives, which is unprecedented in another act of authoritarian destruction of polity and protocol. Every president keeps records - let's name the last one to get raided by the FBI to return them.
The same Government, inventoried, packed the boxes and paid to have them shipped to the location that the FBI had to raid to protect National Security.
...at a location guarded by the United States Secret Service
Stop deluding these poor people. You know good and well the Secret Service isn't there to monitor what Trump does with documents.
Not everyone believes in your Orange Man Bad religion though, so your imagination of what Orange Man MIGHT have or COULD have done, well, shucks, it doesn't amount to a pile of flea turds.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

RMF5630 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

whiterock said:

https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/29/one-giant-problem-with-the-fbis-mar-a-lago-raid/

Link states status quo on the question of Presidential classification authority, giving an example I have cited here previously:

"...But in 2017, there were still a few adults at the Washington Post who felt the need to educate the public. Another headline read, "No, Trump did not break the law in talking classified details with the Russians," adding, "The president is essentially the ultimate arbiter of what is classified and what is not. While the heads of particular agencies also have original classification authoritythe power to deem material classified or not classifiedtheir authority is limited to their departments and bound by their departments' particular rules."

"When it comes to classification issues and those kinds of things, he's not above the law," defense attorney Edward B. MacMahon, Jr., told the Post. "He basically is the law."

In other words, Trump did not break the law by revealing classified information to the Russians because the president is the ultimate authority over what is classified. He can reveal or share anything with anyone regardless of its security classification. He doesn't need to follow any procedures or make the decision in writing. If the person with whom he shares the information is not "cleared" to access that classified information, then the classification is automatically modified to permit such access. All that's needed is something that clearly demonstrates the president's intent to share or otherwise dispose of the classified information. Thus, the moment the president told the Russians about the terrorist plot, those Russians were legally allowed to possess the information...."

...and then goes on to make the appropriate connection:

"....When those trucks arrived at Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump was still president. The decision to repose classified documents in Mar-a-Lago was a presidential decision. Joe Biden might not have agreed with Trump's decision keep these records after leaving office. But this situation is no different than Trump's decision to share intelligence with the Russians. He made an executive decision to repose classified documents in his personal residence...."

Garland chose to make a political issue out of this by not waiting until after the mid-terms. After the mid-terms are done, he might chose to de-escalate by announcing he will not seek indictment. That would be a step toward addressing growing public concern over politicization in the DOJ/FBI. Or he could proceed with indictment and set of a titanic constitutional crisis which would require SCOTUS to end. That is a high risk gamble, as it might or might not be settled by election day 2022. (HINT: this SCOTUS is not likely to allow a former POTUS to be prosecuted over something that has traditionally been an implicit power of the office.) So escalation to push this issue into the 2024 elections risks a humiliating defeat in an election year.

For those reasons, in normal politics, Garland could be expected to withdraw after the mid-terms.

But we are not in "normal politics."
We are in "regime politics."
Democrats genuinely appear to believe their own propaganda, that they are defending the realm from fascism.
Prepare for a bumpy ride.

Correct. The president is the ultimate arbiter of what is classified or not. That's why it has been obvious from day one it was a political stunt to get overdue library books to the National Archives, which is unprecedented in another act of authoritarian destruction of polity and protocol. Every president keeps records - let's name the last one to get raided by the FBI to return them.
The same Government, inventoried, packed the boxes and paid to have them shipped to the location that the FBI had to raid to protect National Security.
...at a location guarded by the United States Secret Service
Stop deluding these poor people. You know good and well the Secret Service isn't there to monitor what Trump does with documents.
Not everyone believes in your Orange Man Bad religion though, so your imagination of what Orange Man MIGHT have or COULD have done, well, shucks, it doesn't amount to a pile of flea turds.
Did I imagine the search warrant?
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Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

RMF5630 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

whiterock said:

https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/29/one-giant-problem-with-the-fbis-mar-a-lago-raid/

Link states status quo on the question of Presidential classification authority, giving an example I have cited here previously:

"...But in 2017, there were still a few adults at the Washington Post who felt the need to educate the public. Another headline read, "No, Trump did not break the law in talking classified details with the Russians," adding, "The president is essentially the ultimate arbiter of what is classified and what is not. While the heads of particular agencies also have original classification authoritythe power to deem material classified or not classifiedtheir authority is limited to their departments and bound by their departments' particular rules."

"When it comes to classification issues and those kinds of things, he's not above the law," defense attorney Edward B. MacMahon, Jr., told the Post. "He basically is the law."

In other words, Trump did not break the law by revealing classified information to the Russians because the president is the ultimate authority over what is classified. He can reveal or share anything with anyone regardless of its security classification. He doesn't need to follow any procedures or make the decision in writing. If the person with whom he shares the information is not "cleared" to access that classified information, then the classification is automatically modified to permit such access. All that's needed is something that clearly demonstrates the president's intent to share or otherwise dispose of the classified information. Thus, the moment the president told the Russians about the terrorist plot, those Russians were legally allowed to possess the information...."

...and then goes on to make the appropriate connection:

"....When those trucks arrived at Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump was still president. The decision to repose classified documents in Mar-a-Lago was a presidential decision. Joe Biden might not have agreed with Trump's decision keep these records after leaving office. But this situation is no different than Trump's decision to share intelligence with the Russians. He made an executive decision to repose classified documents in his personal residence...."

Garland chose to make a political issue out of this by not waiting until after the mid-terms. After the mid-terms are done, he might chose to de-escalate by announcing he will not seek indictment. That would be a step toward addressing growing public concern over politicization in the DOJ/FBI. Or he could proceed with indictment and set of a titanic constitutional crisis which would require SCOTUS to end. That is a high risk gamble, as it might or might not be settled by election day 2022. (HINT: this SCOTUS is not likely to allow a former POTUS to be prosecuted over something that has traditionally been an implicit power of the office.) So escalation to push this issue into the 2024 elections risks a humiliating defeat in an election year.

For those reasons, in normal politics, Garland could be expected to withdraw after the mid-terms.

But we are not in "normal politics."
We are in "regime politics."
Democrats genuinely appear to believe their own propaganda, that they are defending the realm from fascism.
Prepare for a bumpy ride.

Correct. The president is the ultimate arbiter of what is classified or not. That's why it has been obvious from day one it was a political stunt to get overdue library books to the National Archives, which is unprecedented in another act of authoritarian destruction of polity and protocol. Every president keeps records - let's name the last one to get raided by the FBI to return them.
The same Government, inventoried, packed the boxes and paid to have them shipped to the location that the FBI had to raid to protect National Security.
...at a location guarded by the United States Secret Service
Stop deluding these poor people. You know good and well the Secret Service isn't there to monitor what Trump does with documents.


So you think if the Russian bogeymen broke in to steal the nuclear codes they would watch?
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Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

RMF5630 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

whiterock said:

https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/29/one-giant-problem-with-the-fbis-mar-a-lago-raid/

Link states status quo on the question of Presidential classification authority, giving an example I have cited here previously:

"...But in 2017, there were still a few adults at the Washington Post who felt the need to educate the public. Another headline read, "No, Trump did not break the law in talking classified details with the Russians," adding, "The president is essentially the ultimate arbiter of what is classified and what is not. While the heads of particular agencies also have original classification authoritythe power to deem material classified or not classifiedtheir authority is limited to their departments and bound by their departments' particular rules."

"When it comes to classification issues and those kinds of things, he's not above the law," defense attorney Edward B. MacMahon, Jr., told the Post. "He basically is the law."

In other words, Trump did not break the law by revealing classified information to the Russians because the president is the ultimate authority over what is classified. He can reveal or share anything with anyone regardless of its security classification. He doesn't need to follow any procedures or make the decision in writing. If the person with whom he shares the information is not "cleared" to access that classified information, then the classification is automatically modified to permit such access. All that's needed is something that clearly demonstrates the president's intent to share or otherwise dispose of the classified information. Thus, the moment the president told the Russians about the terrorist plot, those Russians were legally allowed to possess the information...."

...and then goes on to make the appropriate connection:

"....When those trucks arrived at Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump was still president. The decision to repose classified documents in Mar-a-Lago was a presidential decision. Joe Biden might not have agreed with Trump's decision keep these records after leaving office. But this situation is no different than Trump's decision to share intelligence with the Russians. He made an executive decision to repose classified documents in his personal residence...."

Garland chose to make a political issue out of this by not waiting until after the mid-terms. After the mid-terms are done, he might chose to de-escalate by announcing he will not seek indictment. That would be a step toward addressing growing public concern over politicization in the DOJ/FBI. Or he could proceed with indictment and set of a titanic constitutional crisis which would require SCOTUS to end. That is a high risk gamble, as it might or might not be settled by election day 2022. (HINT: this SCOTUS is not likely to allow a former POTUS to be prosecuted over something that has traditionally been an implicit power of the office.) So escalation to push this issue into the 2024 elections risks a humiliating defeat in an election year.

For those reasons, in normal politics, Garland could be expected to withdraw after the mid-terms.

But we are not in "normal politics."
We are in "regime politics."
Democrats genuinely appear to believe their own propaganda, that they are defending the realm from fascism.
Prepare for a bumpy ride.

Correct. The president is the ultimate arbiter of what is classified or not. That's why it has been obvious from day one it was a political stunt to get overdue library books to the National Archives, which is unprecedented in another act of authoritarian destruction of polity and protocol. Every president keeps records - let's name the last one to get raided by the FBI to return them.
The same Government, inventoried, packed the boxes and paid to have them shipped to the location that the FBI had to raid to protect National Security.
...at a location guarded by the United States Secret Service
Stop deluding these poor people. You know good and well the Secret Service isn't there to monitor what Trump does with documents.
But they were safe. No doubt. Or, are you now saying Trump was going to do something nefarious with the documents while the Secret Service were making lunch? SO, we know what is in the boxes because NARA was there when they were packed. We know where they are because the US Govt paid to have them moved to Mar Lago. We know they were safe because of the Secret Service protection. Yet, we needed 30 armed FBI agents to get in? I guess the army Trump put together and hid from the Secret Service? You do not find any of this out of the ordinary? This is all standard SOP???
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Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

RMF5630 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

whiterock said:

https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/29/one-giant-problem-with-the-fbis-mar-a-lago-raid/

Link states status quo on the question of Presidential classification authority, giving an example I have cited here previously:

"...But in 2017, there were still a few adults at the Washington Post who felt the need to educate the public. Another headline read, "No, Trump did not break the law in talking classified details with the Russians," adding, "The president is essentially the ultimate arbiter of what is classified and what is not. While the heads of particular agencies also have original classification authoritythe power to deem material classified or not classifiedtheir authority is limited to their departments and bound by their departments' particular rules."

"When it comes to classification issues and those kinds of things, he's not above the law," defense attorney Edward B. MacMahon, Jr., told the Post. "He basically is the law."

In other words, Trump did not break the law by revealing classified information to the Russians because the president is the ultimate authority over what is classified. He can reveal or share anything with anyone regardless of its security classification. He doesn't need to follow any procedures or make the decision in writing. If the person with whom he shares the information is not "cleared" to access that classified information, then the classification is automatically modified to permit such access. All that's needed is something that clearly demonstrates the president's intent to share or otherwise dispose of the classified information. Thus, the moment the president told the Russians about the terrorist plot, those Russians were legally allowed to possess the information...."

...and then goes on to make the appropriate connection:

"....When those trucks arrived at Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump was still president. The decision to repose classified documents in Mar-a-Lago was a presidential decision. Joe Biden might not have agreed with Trump's decision keep these records after leaving office. But this situation is no different than Trump's decision to share intelligence with the Russians. He made an executive decision to repose classified documents in his personal residence...."

Garland chose to make a political issue out of this by not waiting until after the mid-terms. After the mid-terms are done, he might chose to de-escalate by announcing he will not seek indictment. That would be a step toward addressing growing public concern over politicization in the DOJ/FBI. Or he could proceed with indictment and set of a titanic constitutional crisis which would require SCOTUS to end. That is a high risk gamble, as it might or might not be settled by election day 2022. (HINT: this SCOTUS is not likely to allow a former POTUS to be prosecuted over something that has traditionally been an implicit power of the office.) So escalation to push this issue into the 2024 elections risks a humiliating defeat in an election year.

For those reasons, in normal politics, Garland could be expected to withdraw after the mid-terms.

But we are not in "normal politics."
We are in "regime politics."
Democrats genuinely appear to believe their own propaganda, that they are defending the realm from fascism.
Prepare for a bumpy ride.

Correct. The president is the ultimate arbiter of what is classified or not. That's why it has been obvious from day one it was a political stunt to get overdue library books to the National Archives, which is unprecedented in another act of authoritarian destruction of polity and protocol. Every president keeps records - let's name the last one to get raided by the FBI to return them.
The same Government, inventoried, packed the boxes and paid to have them shipped to the location that the FBI had to raid to protect National Security.
...at a location guarded by the United States Secret Service
Stop deluding these poor people. You know good and well the Secret Service isn't there to monitor what Trump does with documents.
Not everyone believes in your Orange Man Bad religion though, so your imagination of what Orange Man MIGHT have or COULD have done, well, shucks, it doesn't amount to a pile of flea turds.
Did I imagine the search warrant?
And? Biden goes after his number one political opponent with federal agencies and I'm supposed to be convinced THIS TIME Trump will finally be exposed as Dr Evil? How many strikes do the democrats get before you finally call them out? Is it even possible for you to lose faith in such people ever? You'll have to forgive those of us with less tolerance for bull **** for no longer putting ANY credibility behind the attacks levied at Trump by democrats. Hell, just last week democrats called me a fascist. I've been called worse by better, sure, but it certainly doesn't make me trust them.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam and Oso, we got a code red!

AG garland sent out a memo to all of DOJ to not talk to congress.. how does oversight work if DOJ isnt talking to congress?

Link?

it's on a billboard at Dupont Circle..
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

RMF5630 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

whiterock said:

https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/29/one-giant-problem-with-the-fbis-mar-a-lago-raid/

Link states status quo on the question of Presidential classification authority, giving an example I have cited here previously:

"...But in 2017, there were still a few adults at the Washington Post who felt the need to educate the public. Another headline read, "No, Trump did not break the law in talking classified details with the Russians," adding, "The president is essentially the ultimate arbiter of what is classified and what is not. While the heads of particular agencies also have original classification authoritythe power to deem material classified or not classifiedtheir authority is limited to their departments and bound by their departments' particular rules."

"When it comes to classification issues and those kinds of things, he's not above the law," defense attorney Edward B. MacMahon, Jr., told the Post. "He basically is the law."

In other words, Trump did not break the law by revealing classified information to the Russians because the president is the ultimate authority over what is classified. He can reveal or share anything with anyone regardless of its security classification. He doesn't need to follow any procedures or make the decision in writing. If the person with whom he shares the information is not "cleared" to access that classified information, then the classification is automatically modified to permit such access. All that's needed is something that clearly demonstrates the president's intent to share or otherwise dispose of the classified information. Thus, the moment the president told the Russians about the terrorist plot, those Russians were legally allowed to possess the information...."

...and then goes on to make the appropriate connection:

"....When those trucks arrived at Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump was still president. The decision to repose classified documents in Mar-a-Lago was a presidential decision. Joe Biden might not have agreed with Trump's decision keep these records after leaving office. But this situation is no different than Trump's decision to share intelligence with the Russians. He made an executive decision to repose classified documents in his personal residence...."

Garland chose to make a political issue out of this by not waiting until after the mid-terms. After the mid-terms are done, he might chose to de-escalate by announcing he will not seek indictment. That would be a step toward addressing growing public concern over politicization in the DOJ/FBI. Or he could proceed with indictment and set of a titanic constitutional crisis which would require SCOTUS to end. That is a high risk gamble, as it might or might not be settled by election day 2022. (HINT: this SCOTUS is not likely to allow a former POTUS to be prosecuted over something that has traditionally been an implicit power of the office.) So escalation to push this issue into the 2024 elections risks a humiliating defeat in an election year.

For those reasons, in normal politics, Garland could be expected to withdraw after the mid-terms.

But we are not in "normal politics."
We are in "regime politics."
Democrats genuinely appear to believe their own propaganda, that they are defending the realm from fascism.
Prepare for a bumpy ride.

Correct. The president is the ultimate arbiter of what is classified or not. That's why it has been obvious from day one it was a political stunt to get overdue library books to the National Archives, which is unprecedented in another act of authoritarian destruction of polity and protocol. Every president keeps records - let's name the last one to get raided by the FBI to return them.
The same Government, inventoried, packed the boxes and paid to have them shipped to the location that the FBI had to raid to protect National Security.
...at a location guarded by the United States Secret Service
Stop deluding these poor people. You know good and well the Secret Service isn't there to monitor what Trump does with documents.


So you think if the Russian bogeymen broke in to steal the nuclear codes they would watch?
Any nuclear codes would be obsolete, but if something were stolen the SS would probably never know.
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RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

RMF5630 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

whiterock said:

https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/29/one-giant-problem-with-the-fbis-mar-a-lago-raid/

Link states status quo on the question of Presidential classification authority, giving an example I have cited here previously:

"...But in 2017, there were still a few adults at the Washington Post who felt the need to educate the public. Another headline read, "No, Trump did not break the law in talking classified details with the Russians," adding, "The president is essentially the ultimate arbiter of what is classified and what is not. While the heads of particular agencies also have original classification authoritythe power to deem material classified or not classifiedtheir authority is limited to their departments and bound by their departments' particular rules."

"When it comes to classification issues and those kinds of things, he's not above the law," defense attorney Edward B. MacMahon, Jr., told the Post. "He basically is the law."

In other words, Trump did not break the law by revealing classified information to the Russians because the president is the ultimate authority over what is classified. He can reveal or share anything with anyone regardless of its security classification. He doesn't need to follow any procedures or make the decision in writing. If the person with whom he shares the information is not "cleared" to access that classified information, then the classification is automatically modified to permit such access. All that's needed is something that clearly demonstrates the president's intent to share or otherwise dispose of the classified information. Thus, the moment the president told the Russians about the terrorist plot, those Russians were legally allowed to possess the information...."

...and then goes on to make the appropriate connection:

"....When those trucks arrived at Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump was still president. The decision to repose classified documents in Mar-a-Lago was a presidential decision. Joe Biden might not have agreed with Trump's decision keep these records after leaving office. But this situation is no different than Trump's decision to share intelligence with the Russians. He made an executive decision to repose classified documents in his personal residence...."

Garland chose to make a political issue out of this by not waiting until after the mid-terms. After the mid-terms are done, he might chose to de-escalate by announcing he will not seek indictment. That would be a step toward addressing growing public concern over politicization in the DOJ/FBI. Or he could proceed with indictment and set of a titanic constitutional crisis which would require SCOTUS to end. That is a high risk gamble, as it might or might not be settled by election day 2022. (HINT: this SCOTUS is not likely to allow a former POTUS to be prosecuted over something that has traditionally been an implicit power of the office.) So escalation to push this issue into the 2024 elections risks a humiliating defeat in an election year.

For those reasons, in normal politics, Garland could be expected to withdraw after the mid-terms.

But we are not in "normal politics."
We are in "regime politics."
Democrats genuinely appear to believe their own propaganda, that they are defending the realm from fascism.
Prepare for a bumpy ride.

Correct. The president is the ultimate arbiter of what is classified or not. That's why it has been obvious from day one it was a political stunt to get overdue library books to the National Archives, which is unprecedented in another act of authoritarian destruction of polity and protocol. Every president keeps records - let's name the last one to get raided by the FBI to return them.
The same Government, inventoried, packed the boxes and paid to have them shipped to the location that the FBI had to raid to protect National Security.
...at a location guarded by the United States Secret Service
Stop deluding these poor people. You know good and well the Secret Service isn't there to monitor what Trump does with documents.
But they were safe. No doubt. Or, are you now saying Trump was going to do something nefarious with the documents while the Secret Service were making lunch? SO, we know what is in the boxes because NARA was there when they were packed. We know where they are because the US Govt paid to have them moved to Mar Lago. We know they were safe because of the Secret Service protection. Yet, we needed 30 armed FBI agents to get in? I guess the army Trump put together and hid from the Secret Service? You do not find any of this out of the ordinary? This is all standard SOP???
Except almost none of that is true. The boxes were packed haphazardly by various people including White House movers and other staff. NARA never received them. No one was sure what was in them. It's not the Secret Service's job to protect them.
Sam Lowry
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Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

RMF5630 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

whiterock said:

https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/29/one-giant-problem-with-the-fbis-mar-a-lago-raid/

Link states status quo on the question of Presidential classification authority, giving an example I have cited here previously:

"...But in 2017, there were still a few adults at the Washington Post who felt the need to educate the public. Another headline read, "No, Trump did not break the law in talking classified details with the Russians," adding, "The president is essentially the ultimate arbiter of what is classified and what is not. While the heads of particular agencies also have original classification authoritythe power to deem material classified or not classifiedtheir authority is limited to their departments and bound by their departments' particular rules."

"When it comes to classification issues and those kinds of things, he's not above the law," defense attorney Edward B. MacMahon, Jr., told the Post. "He basically is the law."

In other words, Trump did not break the law by revealing classified information to the Russians because the president is the ultimate authority over what is classified. He can reveal or share anything with anyone regardless of its security classification. He doesn't need to follow any procedures or make the decision in writing. If the person with whom he shares the information is not "cleared" to access that classified information, then the classification is automatically modified to permit such access. All that's needed is something that clearly demonstrates the president's intent to share or otherwise dispose of the classified information. Thus, the moment the president told the Russians about the terrorist plot, those Russians were legally allowed to possess the information...."

...and then goes on to make the appropriate connection:

"....When those trucks arrived at Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump was still president. The decision to repose classified documents in Mar-a-Lago was a presidential decision. Joe Biden might not have agreed with Trump's decision keep these records after leaving office. But this situation is no different than Trump's decision to share intelligence with the Russians. He made an executive decision to repose classified documents in his personal residence...."

Garland chose to make a political issue out of this by not waiting until after the mid-terms. After the mid-terms are done, he might chose to de-escalate by announcing he will not seek indictment. That would be a step toward addressing growing public concern over politicization in the DOJ/FBI. Or he could proceed with indictment and set of a titanic constitutional crisis which would require SCOTUS to end. That is a high risk gamble, as it might or might not be settled by election day 2022. (HINT: this SCOTUS is not likely to allow a former POTUS to be prosecuted over something that has traditionally been an implicit power of the office.) So escalation to push this issue into the 2024 elections risks a humiliating defeat in an election year.

For those reasons, in normal politics, Garland could be expected to withdraw after the mid-terms.

But we are not in "normal politics."
We are in "regime politics."
Democrats genuinely appear to believe their own propaganda, that they are defending the realm from fascism.
Prepare for a bumpy ride.

Correct. The president is the ultimate arbiter of what is classified or not. That's why it has been obvious from day one it was a political stunt to get overdue library books to the National Archives, which is unprecedented in another act of authoritarian destruction of polity and protocol. Every president keeps records - let's name the last one to get raided by the FBI to return them.
The same Government, inventoried, packed the boxes and paid to have them shipped to the location that the FBI had to raid to protect National Security.
...at a location guarded by the United States Secret Service
Stop deluding these poor people. You know good and well the Secret Service isn't there to monitor what Trump does with documents.
Not everyone believes in your Orange Man Bad religion though, so your imagination of what Orange Man MIGHT have or COULD have done, well, shucks, it doesn't amount to a pile of flea turds.
Did I imagine the search warrant?
And? Biden goes after his number one political opponent with federal agencies and I'm supposed to be convinced THIS TIME Trump will finally be exposed as Dr Evil? How many strikes do the democrats get before you finally call them out? Is it even possible for you to lose faith in such people ever? You'll have to forgive those of us with less tolerance for bull **** for no longer putting ANY credibility behind the attacks levied at Trump by democrats. Hell, just last week democrats called me a fascist. I've been called worse by better, sure, but it certainly doesn't make me trust them.
I'm not relying on faith. I'm relying on evidence and due process, just like I did in those other instances. The Russia accusations were not based on evidence, and I did call it at the time.
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Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

RMF5630 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

whiterock said:

https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/29/one-giant-problem-with-the-fbis-mar-a-lago-raid/

Link states status quo on the question of Presidential classification authority, giving an example I have cited here previously:

"...But in 2017, there were still a few adults at the Washington Post who felt the need to educate the public. Another headline read, "No, Trump did not break the law in talking classified details with the Russians," adding, "The president is essentially the ultimate arbiter of what is classified and what is not. While the heads of particular agencies also have original classification authoritythe power to deem material classified or not classifiedtheir authority is limited to their departments and bound by their departments' particular rules."

"When it comes to classification issues and those kinds of things, he's not above the law," defense attorney Edward B. MacMahon, Jr., told the Post. "He basically is the law."

In other words, Trump did not break the law by revealing classified information to the Russians because the president is the ultimate authority over what is classified. He can reveal or share anything with anyone regardless of its security classification. He doesn't need to follow any procedures or make the decision in writing. If the person with whom he shares the information is not "cleared" to access that classified information, then the classification is automatically modified to permit such access. All that's needed is something that clearly demonstrates the president's intent to share or otherwise dispose of the classified information. Thus, the moment the president told the Russians about the terrorist plot, those Russians were legally allowed to possess the information...."

...and then goes on to make the appropriate connection:

"....When those trucks arrived at Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump was still president. The decision to repose classified documents in Mar-a-Lago was a presidential decision. Joe Biden might not have agreed with Trump's decision keep these records after leaving office. But this situation is no different than Trump's decision to share intelligence with the Russians. He made an executive decision to repose classified documents in his personal residence...."

Garland chose to make a political issue out of this by not waiting until after the mid-terms. After the mid-terms are done, he might chose to de-escalate by announcing he will not seek indictment. That would be a step toward addressing growing public concern over politicization in the DOJ/FBI. Or he could proceed with indictment and set of a titanic constitutional crisis which would require SCOTUS to end. That is a high risk gamble, as it might or might not be settled by election day 2022. (HINT: this SCOTUS is not likely to allow a former POTUS to be prosecuted over something that has traditionally been an implicit power of the office.) So escalation to push this issue into the 2024 elections risks a humiliating defeat in an election year.

For those reasons, in normal politics, Garland could be expected to withdraw after the mid-terms.

But we are not in "normal politics."
We are in "regime politics."
Democrats genuinely appear to believe their own propaganda, that they are defending the realm from fascism.
Prepare for a bumpy ride.

Correct. The president is the ultimate arbiter of what is classified or not. That's why it has been obvious from day one it was a political stunt to get overdue library books to the National Archives, which is unprecedented in another act of authoritarian destruction of polity and protocol. Every president keeps records - let's name the last one to get raided by the FBI to return them.
The same Government, inventoried, packed the boxes and paid to have them shipped to the location that the FBI had to raid to protect National Security.
...at a location guarded by the United States Secret Service
Stop deluding these poor people. You know good and well the Secret Service isn't there to monitor what Trump does with documents.
Not everyone believes in your Orange Man Bad religion though, so your imagination of what Orange Man MIGHT have or COULD have done, well, shucks, it doesn't amount to a pile of flea turds.
Did I imagine the search warrant?
And? Biden goes after his number one political opponent with federal agencies and I'm supposed to be convinced THIS TIME Trump will finally be exposed as Dr Evil? How many strikes do the democrats get before you finally call them out? Is it even possible for you to lose faith in such people ever? You'll have to forgive those of us with less tolerance for bull **** for no longer putting ANY credibility behind the attacks levied at Trump by democrats. Hell, just last week democrats called me a fascist. I've been called worse by better, sure, but it certainly doesn't make me trust them.
I'm not relying on faith. I'm relying on evidence and due process, just like I did in those other instances. The Russia accusations were not based on evidence, and I did call it at the time.
You might be, but the government damn sure isn't relying on evidence and due process. Crossfire Hurricane wasn't an accident, neither is this.
Wangchung
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Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

RMF5630 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

whiterock said:

https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/29/one-giant-problem-with-the-fbis-mar-a-lago-raid/

Link states status quo on the question of Presidential classification authority, giving an example I have cited here previously:

"...But in 2017, there were still a few adults at the Washington Post who felt the need to educate the public. Another headline read, "No, Trump did not break the law in talking classified details with the Russians," adding, "The president is essentially the ultimate arbiter of what is classified and what is not. While the heads of particular agencies also have original classification authoritythe power to deem material classified or not classifiedtheir authority is limited to their departments and bound by their departments' particular rules."

"When it comes to classification issues and those kinds of things, he's not above the law," defense attorney Edward B. MacMahon, Jr., told the Post. "He basically is the law."

In other words, Trump did not break the law by revealing classified information to the Russians because the president is the ultimate authority over what is classified. He can reveal or share anything with anyone regardless of its security classification. He doesn't need to follow any procedures or make the decision in writing. If the person with whom he shares the information is not "cleared" to access that classified information, then the classification is automatically modified to permit such access. All that's needed is something that clearly demonstrates the president's intent to share or otherwise dispose of the classified information. Thus, the moment the president told the Russians about the terrorist plot, those Russians were legally allowed to possess the information...."

...and then goes on to make the appropriate connection:

"....When those trucks arrived at Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump was still president. The decision to repose classified documents in Mar-a-Lago was a presidential decision. Joe Biden might not have agreed with Trump's decision keep these records after leaving office. But this situation is no different than Trump's decision to share intelligence with the Russians. He made an executive decision to repose classified documents in his personal residence...."

Garland chose to make a political issue out of this by not waiting until after the mid-terms. After the mid-terms are done, he might chose to de-escalate by announcing he will not seek indictment. That would be a step toward addressing growing public concern over politicization in the DOJ/FBI. Or he could proceed with indictment and set of a titanic constitutional crisis which would require SCOTUS to end. That is a high risk gamble, as it might or might not be settled by election day 2022. (HINT: this SCOTUS is not likely to allow a former POTUS to be prosecuted over something that has traditionally been an implicit power of the office.) So escalation to push this issue into the 2024 elections risks a humiliating defeat in an election year.

For those reasons, in normal politics, Garland could be expected to withdraw after the mid-terms.

But we are not in "normal politics."
We are in "regime politics."
Democrats genuinely appear to believe their own propaganda, that they are defending the realm from fascism.
Prepare for a bumpy ride.

Correct. The president is the ultimate arbiter of what is classified or not. That's why it has been obvious from day one it was a political stunt to get overdue library books to the National Archives, which is unprecedented in another act of authoritarian destruction of polity and protocol. Every president keeps records - let's name the last one to get raided by the FBI to return them.
The same Government, inventoried, packed the boxes and paid to have them shipped to the location that the FBI had to raid to protect National Security.
...at a location guarded by the United States Secret Service
Stop deluding these poor people. You know good and well the Secret Service isn't there to monitor what Trump does with documents.
Not everyone believes in your Orange Man Bad religion though, so your imagination of what Orange Man MIGHT have or COULD have done, well, shucks, it doesn't amount to a pile of flea turds.
Did I imagine the search warrant?
And? Biden goes after his number one political opponent with federal agencies and I'm supposed to be convinced THIS TIME Trump will finally be exposed as Dr Evil? How many strikes do the democrats get before you finally call them out? Is it even possible for you to lose faith in such people ever? You'll have to forgive those of us with less tolerance for bull **** for no longer putting ANY credibility behind the attacks levied at Trump by democrats. Hell, just last week democrats called me a fascist. I've been called worse by better, sure, but it certainly doesn't make me trust them.
I'm not relying on faith. I'm relying on evidence and due process, just like I did in those other instances. The Russia accusations were not based on evidence, and I did call it at the time.
If there is real, non-fabricated evidence of the crimes being levied at Trump by his political opponents, it would be the first time. (Can't believe "pile of flea turds" didn't get any love. That was damned near Shakespearean.)
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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An article on the well documented issues with Mar-a-Lago. It was already known as a "security nightmare" in the early months of Trump's presidency:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-mar-lago-security-risk-espionage-235950
FLBear5630
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Sam Lowry said:

RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

RMF5630 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

whiterock said:

https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/29/one-giant-problem-with-the-fbis-mar-a-lago-raid/

Link states status quo on the question of Presidential classification authority, giving an example I have cited here previously:

"...But in 2017, there were still a few adults at the Washington Post who felt the need to educate the public. Another headline read, "No, Trump did not break the law in talking classified details with the Russians," adding, "The president is essentially the ultimate arbiter of what is classified and what is not. While the heads of particular agencies also have original classification authoritythe power to deem material classified or not classifiedtheir authority is limited to their departments and bound by their departments' particular rules."

"When it comes to classification issues and those kinds of things, he's not above the law," defense attorney Edward B. MacMahon, Jr., told the Post. "He basically is the law."

In other words, Trump did not break the law by revealing classified information to the Russians because the president is the ultimate authority over what is classified. He can reveal or share anything with anyone regardless of its security classification. He doesn't need to follow any procedures or make the decision in writing. If the person with whom he shares the information is not "cleared" to access that classified information, then the classification is automatically modified to permit such access. All that's needed is something that clearly demonstrates the president's intent to share or otherwise dispose of the classified information. Thus, the moment the president told the Russians about the terrorist plot, those Russians were legally allowed to possess the information...."

...and then goes on to make the appropriate connection:

"....When those trucks arrived at Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump was still president. The decision to repose classified documents in Mar-a-Lago was a presidential decision. Joe Biden might not have agreed with Trump's decision keep these records after leaving office. But this situation is no different than Trump's decision to share intelligence with the Russians. He made an executive decision to repose classified documents in his personal residence...."

Garland chose to make a political issue out of this by not waiting until after the mid-terms. After the mid-terms are done, he might chose to de-escalate by announcing he will not seek indictment. That would be a step toward addressing growing public concern over politicization in the DOJ/FBI. Or he could proceed with indictment and set of a titanic constitutional crisis which would require SCOTUS to end. That is a high risk gamble, as it might or might not be settled by election day 2022. (HINT: this SCOTUS is not likely to allow a former POTUS to be prosecuted over something that has traditionally been an implicit power of the office.) So escalation to push this issue into the 2024 elections risks a humiliating defeat in an election year.

For those reasons, in normal politics, Garland could be expected to withdraw after the mid-terms.

But we are not in "normal politics."
We are in "regime politics."
Democrats genuinely appear to believe their own propaganda, that they are defending the realm from fascism.
Prepare for a bumpy ride.

Correct. The president is the ultimate arbiter of what is classified or not. That's why it has been obvious from day one it was a political stunt to get overdue library books to the National Archives, which is unprecedented in another act of authoritarian destruction of polity and protocol. Every president keeps records - let's name the last one to get raided by the FBI to return them.
The same Government, inventoried, packed the boxes and paid to have them shipped to the location that the FBI had to raid to protect National Security.
...at a location guarded by the United States Secret Service
Stop deluding these poor people. You know good and well the Secret Service isn't there to monitor what Trump does with documents.
But they were safe. No doubt. Or, are you now saying Trump was going to do something nefarious with the documents while the Secret Service were making lunch? SO, we know what is in the boxes because NARA was there when they were packed. We know where they are because the US Govt paid to have them moved to Mar Lago. We know they were safe because of the Secret Service protection. Yet, we needed 30 armed FBI agents to get in? I guess the army Trump put together and hid from the Secret Service? You do not find any of this out of the ordinary? This is all standard SOP???
Except almost none of that is true. The boxes were packed haphazardly by various people including White House movers and other staff. NARA never received them. No one was sure what was in them. It's not the Secret Service's job to protect them.
Yeah Sam, Melania just threw papers into boxes with a bottle of wine. Nobody in the US Government was there when the President packed up the Oval Office. Maybe I am giving them too much credit, it wasn't boxes the former President moved using garbage bags. You really believe this? That the Oval Office was packed hap-hazzardly? That Trump had nuclear secrets laying around with half eaten pizza??

Secret Service will just step aside because it is not their job to protect them, so any intruder can just walk in and grab the nuclear secrets.

You guys expect people to believe that?
Wangchung
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RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

RMF5630 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

whiterock said:

https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/29/one-giant-problem-with-the-fbis-mar-a-lago-raid/

Link states status quo on the question of Presidential classification authority, giving an example I have cited here previously:

"...But in 2017, there were still a few adults at the Washington Post who felt the need to educate the public. Another headline read, "No, Trump did not break the law in talking classified details with the Russians," adding, "The president is essentially the ultimate arbiter of what is classified and what is not. While the heads of particular agencies also have original classification authoritythe power to deem material classified or not classifiedtheir authority is limited to their departments and bound by their departments' particular rules."

"When it comes to classification issues and those kinds of things, he's not above the law," defense attorney Edward B. MacMahon, Jr., told the Post. "He basically is the law."

In other words, Trump did not break the law by revealing classified information to the Russians because the president is the ultimate authority over what is classified. He can reveal or share anything with anyone regardless of its security classification. He doesn't need to follow any procedures or make the decision in writing. If the person with whom he shares the information is not "cleared" to access that classified information, then the classification is automatically modified to permit such access. All that's needed is something that clearly demonstrates the president's intent to share or otherwise dispose of the classified information. Thus, the moment the president told the Russians about the terrorist plot, those Russians were legally allowed to possess the information...."

...and then goes on to make the appropriate connection:

"....When those trucks arrived at Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump was still president. The decision to repose classified documents in Mar-a-Lago was a presidential decision. Joe Biden might not have agreed with Trump's decision keep these records after leaving office. But this situation is no different than Trump's decision to share intelligence with the Russians. He made an executive decision to repose classified documents in his personal residence...."

Garland chose to make a political issue out of this by not waiting until after the mid-terms. After the mid-terms are done, he might chose to de-escalate by announcing he will not seek indictment. That would be a step toward addressing growing public concern over politicization in the DOJ/FBI. Or he could proceed with indictment and set of a titanic constitutional crisis which would require SCOTUS to end. That is a high risk gamble, as it might or might not be settled by election day 2022. (HINT: this SCOTUS is not likely to allow a former POTUS to be prosecuted over something that has traditionally been an implicit power of the office.) So escalation to push this issue into the 2024 elections risks a humiliating defeat in an election year.

For those reasons, in normal politics, Garland could be expected to withdraw after the mid-terms.

But we are not in "normal politics."
We are in "regime politics."
Democrats genuinely appear to believe their own propaganda, that they are defending the realm from fascism.
Prepare for a bumpy ride.

Correct. The president is the ultimate arbiter of what is classified or not. That's why it has been obvious from day one it was a political stunt to get overdue library books to the National Archives, which is unprecedented in another act of authoritarian destruction of polity and protocol. Every president keeps records - let's name the last one to get raided by the FBI to return them.
The same Government, inventoried, packed the boxes and paid to have them shipped to the location that the FBI had to raid to protect National Security.
...at a location guarded by the United States Secret Service
Stop deluding these poor people. You know good and well the Secret Service isn't there to monitor what Trump does with documents.
But they were safe. No doubt. Or, are you now saying Trump was going to do something nefarious with the documents while the Secret Service were making lunch? SO, we know what is in the boxes because NARA was there when they were packed. We know where they are because the US Govt paid to have them moved to Mar Lago. We know they were safe because of the Secret Service protection. Yet, we needed 30 armed FBI agents to get in? I guess the army Trump put together and hid from the Secret Service? You do not find any of this out of the ordinary? This is all standard SOP???
Except almost none of that is true. The boxes were packed haphazardly by various people including White House movers and other staff. NARA never received them. No one was sure what was in them. It's not the Secret Service's job to protect them.
Yeah Sam, Melania just threw papers into boxes with a bottle of wine. Nobody in the US Government was there when the President packed up the Oval Office. Maybe I am giving them too much credit, it wasn't boxes the former President moved using garbage bags. You really believe this? That the Oval Office was packed hap-hazzardly? That Trump had nuclear secrets laying around with half eaten pizza??

Secret Service will just step aside because it is not their job to protect them, so any intruder can just walk in and grab the nuclear secrets.

You guys expect people to believe that?
But they had a search warrant!
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

 
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