video footage of the FBI raid on MAL.

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Why anyone would want their tiebreaking senate vote to go to the other team is beyond me... smh

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It would be a cross aisle move to unite. Simple as that. We need something to stop this polarization.

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There are other less suicidal ways to do that than this. The reason Trump & Desantis are so popular is because they stand up to the left, not compromise with them. Sure fire way to get almost all conservatives to not vote and give the election to the democrats up and down the ballott.

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Ok.

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Have the returned library books saved democracy yet?

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-e2-80-99s-mar-a-lago-search-followed-months-of-resistance-delay-by-trump/ar-AA111iG2

Impressive level library books ~

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More impressive than the books other presidents kept?

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Debunked.

https://www.obamalibrary.gov/news/nara-press-release-statement-obama-presidential-records

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Have the returned library books saved democracy yet?

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-e2-80-99s-mar-a-lago-search-followed-months-of-resistance-delay-by-trump/ar-AA111iG2

Impressive level library books ~

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More impressive than the books other presidents kept?

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Debunked.

https://www.obamalibrary.gov/news/nara-press-release-statement-obama-presidential-records

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so no other presidents kepts stuff except Trump.. really Sam?

So Trumpkins wants to have the documents he claimed were planted returned to him. What a stupid dildo.

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So Trumpkins wants to have the documents he claimed were planted returned to him. What a stupid dildo.

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yep.. how else is Trump gonna sell them if you wont give them back!!

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So Trumpkins wants to have the documents he claimed were planted returned to him. What a stupid dildo.

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yep.. how else is Trump gonna sell them if you wont give them back!!

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If he doesn't get them back soon, he will get negative feedback on EBAY from Boris.

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Have the returned library books saved democracy yet?

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-e2-80-99s-mar-a-lago-search-followed-months-of-resistance-delay-by-trump/ar-AA111iG2

Impressive level library books ~

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More impressive than the books other presidents kept?

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Debunked.

https://www.obamalibrary.gov/news/nara-press-release-statement-obama-presidential-records

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so no other presidents kepts stuff except Trump.. really Sam?

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None. The Clinton Tapes are fake news. So is the furniture. As are the Obama lawsuits. All fake news. If you believe that you are literally a threat to democracy.

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Have the returned library books saved democracy yet?

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-e2-80-99s-mar-a-lago-search-followed-months-of-resistance-delay-by-trump/ar-AA111iG2

Impressive level library books ~

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More impressive than the books other presidents kept?

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Debunked.

https://www.obamalibrary.gov/news/nara-press-release-statement-obama-presidential-records

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so no other presidents kepts stuff except Trump.. really Sam?

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None. The Clinton Tapes are fake news. So is the furniture. As are the Obama lawsuits. All fake news. If you believe that you are literally a threat to democracy.

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If he's unarmed and elderly it's definitely insurrectionist.

Has the FBI reported officially on finding any overdue library books that were a threat to democracy, a threat to national security, systemically racist, and cause trainies to kill themselves?

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Have the returned library books saved democracy yet?

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-e2-80-99s-mar-a-lago-search-followed-months-of-resistance-delay-by-trump/ar-AA111iG2

Impressive level library books ~

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More impressive than the books other presidents kept?

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Debunked.

https://www.obamalibrary.gov/news/nara-press-release-statement-obama-presidential-records

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so no other presidents kepts stuff except Trump.. really Sam?

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None. The Clinton Tapes are fake news. So is the furniture. As are the Obama lawsuits. All fake news. If you believe that you are literally a threat to democracy.

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It is all fake news, unless you are Trump than anything said is real. Trump is fair hame for any attack and has no rights. That is the current law of the land.

#FreeDonny

Bring me another bagel with works Charles.

- KKM

D!

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Have the returned library books saved democracy yet?

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-e2-80-99s-mar-a-lago-search-followed-months-of-resistance-delay-by-trump/ar-AA111iG2

Impressive level library books ~

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More impressive than the books other presidents kept?

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Debunked.

https://www.obamalibrary.gov/news/nara-press-release-statement-obama-presidential-records

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so no other presidents kepts stuff except Trump.. really Sam?

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None. The Clinton Tapes are fake news. So is the furniture. As are the Obama lawsuits. All fake news. If you believe that you are literally a threat to democracy.

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It is all fake news, unless you are Trump than anything said is real. Trump is fair hame for any attack and has no rights. That is the current law of the land.

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dual system of justice....
https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/09/4-in-5-americans-see-two-tiered-justice-system-poll/

but instead of dealing with that very real problem (perception IS reality), public officials contrive all manner of histrionic virtue posturing about completely contrived problems - systemic oppression, climate crisis, etc...and of course, the Golden Haired Monster called Donald John Trump.

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Have the returned library books saved democracy yet?

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-e2-80-99s-mar-a-lago-search-followed-months-of-resistance-delay-by-trump/ar-AA111iG2

Impressive level library books ~

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More impressive than the books other presidents kept?

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Debunked.

https://www.obamalibrary.gov/news/nara-press-release-statement-obama-presidential-records

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so no other presidents kepts stuff except Trump.. really Sam?

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None. The Clinton Tapes are fake news. So is the furniture. As are the Obama lawsuits. All fake news. If you believe that you are literally a threat to democracy.

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It is all fake news, unless you are Trump than anything said is real. Trump is fair hame for any attack and has no rights. That is the current law of the land.

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dual system of justice....
https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/09/4-in-5-americans-see-two-tiered-justice-system-poll/

but instead of dealing with that very real problem (perception IS reality), public officials contrive all manner of histrionic virtue posturing about completely contrived problems - systemic oppression, climate crisis, etc...and of course, the Golden Haired Monster called Donald John Trump.

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All I ask is charge the guy if you got a case. Otherwiss, stop with the media attacks.

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Dnicknames said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have the returned library books saved democracy yet?

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-e2-80-99s-mar-a-lago-search-followed-months-of-resistance-delay-by-trump/ar-AA111iG2

Impressive level library books ~

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More impressive than the books other presidents kept?

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Debunked.

https://www.obamalibrary.gov/news/nara-press-release-statement-obama-presidential-records

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so no other presidents kepts stuff except Trump.. really Sam?

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None. The Clinton Tapes are fake news. So is the furniture. As are the Obama lawsuits. All fake news. If you believe that you are literally a threat to democracy.

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It is all fake news, unless you are Trump than anything said is real. Trump is fair hame for any attack and has no rights. That is the current law of the land.

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dual system of justice....
https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/09/4-in-5-americans-see-two-tiered-justice-system-poll/

but instead of dealing with that very real problem (perception IS reality), public officials contrive all manner of histrionic virtue posturing about completely contrived problems - systemic oppression, climate crisis, etc...and of course, the Golden Haired Monster called Donald John Trump.

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All I ask is charge the guy if you got a case. Otherwiss, stop with the media attacks.

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aaaahhhh, padawan...the process IS the punishment.

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Dnicknames said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have the returned library books saved democracy yet?

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-e2-80-99s-mar-a-lago-search-followed-months-of-resistance-delay-by-trump/ar-AA111iG2

Impressive level library books ~

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More impressive than the books other presidents kept?

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Debunked.

https://www.obamalibrary.gov/news/nara-press-release-statement-obama-presidential-records

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so no other presidents kepts stuff except Trump.. really Sam?

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None. The Clinton Tapes are fake news. So is the furniture. As are the Obama lawsuits. All fake news. If you believe that you are literally a threat to democracy.

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It is all fake news, unless you are Trump than anything said is real. Trump is fair hame for any attack and has no rights. That is the current law of the land.

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dual system of justice....
https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/09/4-in-5-americans-see-two-tiered-justice-system-poll/

but instead of dealing with that very real problem (perception IS reality), public officials contrive all manner of histrionic virtue posturing about completely contrived problems - systemic oppression, climate crisis, etc...and of course, the Golden Haired Monster called Donald John Trump.

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look no further than a case of assault on cop(lower level, fist fight type thing) in texas is like 5 years, same style assault and they asking for 17.5 years in Jan 6 case. Its outrageous.

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Dnicknames said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have the returned library books saved democracy yet?

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-e2-80-99s-mar-a-lago-search-followed-months-of-resistance-delay-by-trump/ar-AA111iG2

Impressive level library books ~

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More impressive than the books other presidents kept?

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Debunked.

https://www.obamalibrary.gov/news/nara-press-release-statement-obama-presidential-records

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so no other presidents kepts stuff except Trump.. really Sam?

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None. The Clinton Tapes are fake news. So is the furniture. As are the Obama lawsuits. All fake news. If you believe that you are literally a threat to democracy.

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It is all fake news, unless you are Trump than anything said is real. Trump is fair hame for any attack and has no rights. That is the current law of the land.

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dual system of justice....
https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/09/4-in-5-americans-see-two-tiered-justice-system-poll/

but instead of dealing with that very real problem (perception IS reality), public officials contrive all manner of histrionic virtue posturing about completely contrived problems - systemic oppression, climate crisis, etc...and of course, the Golden Haired Monster called Donald John Trump.

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All I ask is charge the guy if you got a case. Otherwiss, stop with the media attacks.

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aaaahhhh, padawan...the process IS the punishment.

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From WaPo:
Prosecutors scrutinizing Donald Trump for possible mishandling of classified information will have to do so without a key legal and factual element that has long been a staple of such cases, according to intelligence experts. That's because, unlike the vast majority of federal workers who access secret information, presidents are not made to sign paperwork on classified documents as part of their joining or leaving the government.


Typically, when a person gets access to restricted information, they are "read in" a process that includes signing documents at the outset, in which they acknowledge the legal requirements to not share information on sensitive programs with unauthorized people or keep classified documents in unauthorized places. When they leave such jobs, they are "read out," again acknowledging in writing their legal responsibilities and declaring that they do not have any classified documents in their possession.

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Dnicknames said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have the returned library books saved democracy yet?

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-e2-80-99s-mar-a-lago-search-followed-months-of-resistance-delay-by-trump/ar-AA111iG2

Impressive level library books ~

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More impressive than the books other presidents kept?

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Debunked.

https://www.obamalibrary.gov/news/nara-press-release-statement-obama-presidential-records

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so no other presidents kepts stuff except Trump.. really Sam?

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None. The Clinton Tapes are fake news. So is the furniture. As are the Obama lawsuits. All fake news. If you believe that you are literally a threat to democracy.

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It is all fake news, unless you are Trump than anything said is real. Trump is fair hame for any attack and has no rights. That is the current law of the land.

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dual system of justice....
https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/09/4-in-5-americans-see-two-tiered-justice-system-poll/

but instead of dealing with that very real problem (perception IS reality), public officials contrive all manner of histrionic virtue posturing about completely contrived problems - systemic oppression, climate crisis, etc...and of course, the Golden Haired Monster called Donald John Trump.

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All I ask is charge the guy if you got a case. Otherwiss, stop with the media attacks.

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aaaahhhh, padawan...the process IS the punishment.

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From WaPo:
Prosecutors scrutinizing Donald Trump for possible mishandling of classified information will have to do so without a key legal and factual element that has long been a staple of such cases, according to intelligence experts. That's because, unlike the vast majority of federal workers who access secret information, presidents are not made to sign paperwork on classified documents as part of their joining or leaving the government.


Typically, when a person gets access to restricted information, they are "read in" a process that includes signing documents at the outset, in which they acknowledge the legal requirements to not share information on sensitive programs with unauthorized people or keep classified documents in unauthorized places. When they leave such jobs, they are "read out," again acknowledging in writing their legal responsibilities and declaring that they do not have any classified documents in their possession.

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Nobody knew this at DOJ. They just learned about the chain of custody and read in/read out procedures. But, this was all above board.

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Dnicknames said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have the returned library books saved democracy yet?

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-e2-80-99s-mar-a-lago-search-followed-months-of-resistance-delay-by-trump/ar-AA111iG2

Impressive level library books ~

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More impressive than the books other presidents kept?

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Debunked.

https://www.obamalibrary.gov/news/nara-press-release-statement-obama-presidential-records

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so no other presidents kepts stuff except Trump.. really Sam?

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None. The Clinton Tapes are fake news. So is the furniture. As are the Obama lawsuits. All fake news. If you believe that you are literally a threat to democracy.

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It is all fake news, unless you are Trump than anything said is real. Trump is fair hame for any attack and has no rights. That is the current law of the land.

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dual system of justice....
https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/09/4-in-5-americans-see-two-tiered-justice-system-poll/

but instead of dealing with that very real problem (perception IS reality), public officials contrive all manner of histrionic virtue posturing about completely contrived problems - systemic oppression, climate crisis, etc...and of course, the Golden Haired Monster called Donald John Trump.

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All I ask is charge the guy if you got a case. Otherwiss, stop with the media attacks.

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aaaahhhh, padawan...the process IS the punishment.

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From WaPo:
Prosecutors scrutinizing Donald Trump for possible mishandling of classified information will have to do so without a key legal and factual element that has long been a staple of such cases, according to intelligence experts. That's because, unlike the vast majority of federal workers who access secret information, presidents are not made to sign paperwork on classified documents as part of their joining or leaving the government.


Typically, when a person gets access to restricted information, they are "read in" a process that includes signing documents at the outset, in which they acknowledge the legal requirements to not share information on sensitive programs with unauthorized people or keep classified documents in unauthorized places. When they leave such jobs, they are "read out," again acknowledging in writing their legal responsibilities and declaring that they do not have any classified documents in their possession.

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the president is treated different.. who would have thought

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Dnicknames said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have the returned library books saved democracy yet?

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-e2-80-99s-mar-a-lago-search-followed-months-of-resistance-delay-by-trump/ar-AA111iG2

Impressive level library books ~

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More impressive than the books other presidents kept?

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Debunked.

https://www.obamalibrary.gov/news/nara-press-release-statement-obama-presidential-records

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so no other presidents kepts stuff except Trump.. really Sam?

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None. The Clinton Tapes are fake news. So is the furniture. As are the Obama lawsuits. All fake news. If you believe that you are literally a threat to democracy.

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It is all fake news, unless you are Trump than anything said is real. Trump is fair hame for any attack and has no rights. That is the current law of the land.

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dual system of justice....
https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/09/4-in-5-americans-see-two-tiered-justice-system-poll/

but instead of dealing with that very real problem (perception IS reality), public officials contrive all manner of histrionic virtue posturing about completely contrived problems - systemic oppression, climate crisis, etc...and of course, the Golden Haired Monster called Donald John Trump.

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All I ask is charge the guy if you got a case. Otherwiss, stop with the media attacks.

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aaaahhhh, padawan...the process IS the punishment.

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From WaPo:
Prosecutors scrutinizing Donald Trump for possible mishandling of classified information will have to do so without a key legal and factual element that has long been a staple of such cases, according to intelligence experts. That's because, unlike the vast majority of federal workers who access secret information, presidents are not made to sign paperwork on classified documents as part of their joining or leaving the government.


Typically, when a person gets access to restricted information, they are "read in" a process that includes signing documents at the outset, in which they acknowledge the legal requirements to not share information on sensitive programs with unauthorized people or keep classified documents in unauthorized places. When they leave such jobs, they are "read out," again acknowledging in writing their legal responsibilities and declaring that they do not have any classified documents in their possession.

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the president is treated different.. who would have thought

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They HAVE to issue clearances to elected officials.

Allowing an administrative state the power to decide which members of Congress may or may not have clearances threatens to disenfranchise voters and raises questions about co-equal branches of government . A Biden Admin could, for example, remove clearances from recalcitrant members in order to coerce/extort support. Voters said the water the person elected! What bureaucrat has the right to overrule that?

Theoretically there is a process to vet for clearances, but…..
In practice……
That's how Eric Swallowell got to sit on the intel Cmee during and after an intimate relationship with a Chinese spy. As long as Nancy said "I want him to have clearances," he would be issued clearances.

"Records Suggest A Backbench Bureaucrat's Partisan Grievance Spurred The FBI's Nakedly Political Raid On Trump"

Key official at NARA apparently set these events in motion. Has granular comparison of how Obama handled the records issue - O rented a third-partY storage facility to house his records, which facilitates Dem spin about his "cooperation" when in fact there were back/forth dynamics similar to those with Trump, just handled differently by NARA and DOJ.


https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/15/from-bureaucrat-hack-to-grand-jury-witch-hunt-the-dojs-trump-raid-smells-like-spygate/

Detailed summary of the reported details on events leading up to the raid.

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have the returned library books saved democracy yet?

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-e2-80-99s-mar-a-lago-search-followed-months-of-resistance-delay-by-trump/ar-AA111iG2

Impressive level library books ~

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More impressive than the books other presidents kept?

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Debunked.

https://www.obamalibrary.gov/news/nara-press-release-statement-obama-presidential-records

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so no other presidents kepts stuff except Trump.. really Sam?

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None. The Clinton Tapes are fake news. So is the furniture. As are the Obama lawsuits. All fake news. If you believe that you are literally a threat to democracy.

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It is all fake news, unless you are Trump than anything said is real. Trump is fair hame for any attack and has no rights. That is the current law of the land.

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dual system of justice....
https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/09/4-in-5-americans-see-two-tiered-justice-system-poll/

but instead of dealing with that very real problem (perception IS reality), public officials contrive all manner of histrionic virtue posturing about completely contrived problems - systemic oppression, climate crisis, etc...and of course, the Golden Haired Monster called Donald John Trump.

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All I ask is charge the guy if you got a case. Otherwiss, stop with the media attacks.

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aaaahhhh, padawan...the process IS the punishment.

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From WaPo:
Prosecutors scrutinizing Donald Trump for possible mishandling of classified information will have to do so without a key legal and factual element that has long been a staple of such cases, according to intelligence experts. That's because, unlike the vast majority of federal workers who access secret information, presidents are not made to sign paperwork on classified documents as part of their joining or leaving the government.


Typically, when a person gets access to restricted information, they are "read in" a process that includes signing documents at the outset, in which they acknowledge the legal requirements to not share information on sensitive programs with unauthorized people or keep classified documents in unauthorized places. When they leave such jobs, they are "read out," again acknowledging in writing their legal responsibilities and declaring that they do not have any classified documents in their possession.

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Tell your idiots in the regime media presidents have particular privileged around classified information. WE HAVE IDIOTS BECAUSE ThEY READ AND BELIEVE IDIOTS.

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Debunked.

https://www.obamalibrary.gov/news/nara-press-release-statement-obama-presidential-records

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so no other presidents kepts stuff except Trump.. really Sam?

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None. The Clinton Tapes are fake news. So is the furniture. As are the Obama lawsuits. All fake news. If you believe that you are literally a threat to democracy.

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It is all fake news, unless you are Trump than anything said is real. Trump is fair hame for any attack and has no rights. That is the current law of the land.

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dual system of justice....
https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/09/4-in-5-americans-see-two-tiered-justice-system-poll/

but instead of dealing with that very real problem (perception IS reality), public officials contrive all manner of histrionic virtue posturing about completely contrived problems - systemic oppression, climate crisis, etc...and of course, the Golden Haired Monster called Donald John Trump.

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All I ask is charge the guy if you got a case. Otherwiss, stop with the media attacks.

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aaaahhhh, padawan...the process IS the punishment.

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From WaPo:
Prosecutors scrutinizing Donald Trump for possible mishandling of classified information will have to do so without a key legal and factual element that has long been a staple of such cases, according to intelligence experts. That's because, unlike the vast majority of federal workers who access secret information, presidents are not made to sign paperwork on classified documents as part of their joining or leaving the government.


Typically, when a person gets access to restricted information, they are "read in" a process that includes signing documents at the outset, in which they acknowledge the legal requirements to not share information on sensitive programs with unauthorized people or keep classified documents in unauthorized places. When they leave such jobs, they are "read out," again acknowledging in writing their legal responsibilities and declaring that they do not have any classified documents in their possession.

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Tell your idiots in the regime media presidents have particular privileged around classified information. WE HAVE IDIOTS BECAUSE ThEY READ AND BELIEVE IDIOTS.

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Indeed. The relevant statute invests POTUS with sole discretion on issues of classification. That makes POTUS immune from questions about his discretion.

What relevant statutes would those be? I am 100% sure the POTUS doesn't have classification authority over nuclear and some spy craft documents. That's a fact.

And classification is irrelevant here, which some don't seem to understand.

Government documents that pertain to national defense may not be withheld from the government upon request. Trump's own attorneys told him the documents must be returned. The obstruction charge in the search warrant suggests Trump was purposely concealing what he had - classification is irrelevant at that point.

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What relevant statutes would those be? I am 100% sure the POTUS doesn't have classification authority over nuclear and some spy craft documents. That's a fact.

And classification is irrelevant here, which some don't seem to understand.

Government documents that pertain to national defense may not be withheld from the government upon request. Trump's own attorneys told him the documents must be returned. The obstruction charge in the search warrant suggests Trump was purposely concealing what he had - classification is irrelevant at that point.

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NOPE. like it or not, POTUS is "the decider" on matters relating to classification, flowing from both Constitutional and Statutory powers. The power to classify/declassify is his/hers, and is delegated, explicitly and implicitly, to officers serving under him.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RS/RS21900

So that is the status quo, legally. Those who think otherwise would have a very heavy legal burden to overcome to reinterpret what has been done forever, and SCOTUS almost certainly would be the final authority as such would inextricably involve broad and deep separation of powers. Congress may pass statutes on process and POTUS may defer to it, but Congress does not have the power to issue orders to a co-equal branch of government on constitutional powers. Never has. Never will. Such would be one co-equal branch of govt. seizing power over parts of another. (well, Congress has the power to pass such a law, but POTUS would not sign it and SCOTUS would not let it stand.) "Hey. You there. Department of Energy. Forget about the President. You work for us (Congress) now on this particular matter. This is how you protect your classified secrets. Pay no attention to the President whatsoever." The nonsense we are seeing in the press is just plain goofy. Nuclear weapons are military weapons; POTUS is CIC of the military. So how on earth do people with college degrees find purchase to argue that secrets involving nuclear weapons (which are military weapons designed, manufactured, possessed, used, and delivered by vehicles designed, manufactured, possessed, and deployed by the US military) are classified by Congress rather than the office identified subject-verb-object by the Constitution as being the commander in chief of the military (POTUS).

Example of how XO drives ALL classification: note the attached XO. Nowhere in it does it refer to any authority other than prior XO.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2010/01/05/E9-31425/original-classification-authority

I exercised original classification authority on thousands of documents during my career. Transmitted via satellite thousands of them created by others under my name as acting chief (yes, the "sender" has to be identified...who was in command of the unit making the transmission..who had authority to communicate to whom). ALL of that occurred under powers delegated to me via Presidential Executive Order. Every one of those documents I wrote/sent cited at the bottom of the page the relevant XO. Not the relevant Statute. The relevant XO.

That's why the MAL raid is such naked politics. The President of the United States cannot mishandle a information classified under his authority. If he "oopsies" in a press conference or in a meeting with a foreign dignitary, it is not a violation of law. It is a declassification.
Always has been.
Always will be.

The MAL thing is a gigantic goat rope to take down Trump.
Only it's going to backfire.
The argument you want to make is a turd. Don't touch it. It will diminish not enhance your appeal.

Except you're just making stuff up, so if that appeals to a certain crowd here count me out.

This topic has been decided repeatedly by the SCOTUS, most recently Navy vs Egan. It's not debatable b/c it's been ruled on repeatedly at the highest level. Classification authority flows from potus EXCEPT in instances separated by powers by law. And the Atomic Energy Act is specifically referenced. The POTUS can't declassify nuclear according to the Supreme Court.

If the search warrant was about letters to North Korea or similar, I will agree with you Garland over reached with a turd and he should resign. If there was - as reported - both spy craft and nuclear SCI documents, which had been requested to be returned, Trump is going to get indicted. It's just sequencing now.

The qualification in Navy vs Egan that doesn't seem to be understood by some is a rather large qualification, direct quote….

"Unless Congress has specifically provided otherwise"

Dnicknames said:

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Except you're just making stuff up, so if that appeals to a certain crowd here count me out.

This topic has been decided repeatedly by the SCOTUS, most recently Navy vs Egan. It's not debatable b/c it's been ruled on repeatedly at the highest level. Classification authority flows from potus EXCEPT in instances separated by powers by law. And the Atomic Energy Act is specifically referenced. The POTUS can't declassify nuclear according to the Supreme Court.

If the search warrant was about letters to North Korea or similar, I will agree with you Garland over reached with a turd and he should resign. If there was - as reported - both spy craft and nuclear SCI documents, which had been requested to be returned, Trump is going to get indicted. It's just sequencing now.

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Maybe Orange can't BUT Mr Wizard CAN.

Yes he can!

- KKM

{ BHJ grabbing BH-sized test tube }

Tiny man, doing some experiments???

D!

... a little tete-a-tete avec Messieurs Dnick and White!

DEVELOPING!!!!

-KKM

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating Pop Tart (K) }

whiterock said:

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Dnicknames said:

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What relevant statutes would those be? I am 100% sure the POTUS doesn't have classification authority over nuclear and some spy craft documents. That's a fact.

And classification is irrelevant here, which some don't seem to understand.

Government documents that pertain to national defense may not be withheld from the government upon request. Trump's own attorneys told him the documents must be returned. The obstruction charge in the search warrant suggests Trump was purposely concealing what he had - classification is irrelevant at that point.

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NOPE. like it or not, POTUS is "the decider" on matters relating to classification, flowing from both Constitutional and Statutory powers. The power to classify/declassify is his/hers, and is delegated, explicitly and implicitly, to officers serving under him.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RS/RS21900

So that is the status quo, legally. Those who think otherwise would have a very heavy legal burden to overcome to reinterpret what has been done forever, and SCOTUS almost certainly would be the final authority as such would inextricably involve broad and deep separation of powers. Congress may pass statutes on process and POTUS may defer to it, but Congress does not have the power to issue orders to a co-equal branch of government on constitutional powers. Never has. Never will. Such would be one co-equal branch of govt. seizing power over parts of another. (well, Congress has the power to pass such a law, but POTUS would not sign it and SCOTUS would not let it stand.) "Hey. You there. Department of Energy. Forget about the President. You work for us (Congress) now on this particular matter. This is how you protect your classified secrets. Pay no attention to the President whatsoever." The nonsense we are seeing in the press is just plain goofy. Nuclear weapons are military weapons; POTUS is CIC of the military. So how on earth do people with college degrees find purchase to argue that secrets involving nuclear weapons (which are military weapons designed, manufactured, possessed, used, and delivered by vehicles designed, manufactured, possessed, and deployed by the US military) are classified by Congress rather than the office identified subject-verb-object by the Constitution as being the commander in chief of the military (POTUS).

Example of how XO drives ALL classification: note the attached XO. Nowhere in it does it refer to any authority other than prior XO.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2010/01/05/E9-31425/original-classification-authority

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Absolute BS.

Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Dnicknames said:

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What relevant statutes would those be? I am 100% sure the POTUS doesn't have classification authority over nuclear and some spy craft documents. That's a fact.

And classification is irrelevant here, which some don't seem to understand.

Government documents that pertain to national defense may not be withheld from the government upon request. Trump's own attorneys told him the documents must be returned. The obstruction charge in the search warrant suggests Trump was purposely concealing what he had - classification is irrelevant at that point.

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NOPE. like it or not, POTUS is "the decider" on matters relating to classification, flowing from both Constitutional and Statutory powers. The power to classify/declassify is his/hers, and is delegated, explicitly and implicitly, to officers serving under him.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RS/RS21900

So that is the status quo, legally. Those who think otherwise would have a very heavy legal burden to overcome to reinterpret what has been done forever, and SCOTUS almost certainly would be the final authority as such would inextricably involve broad and deep separation of powers. Congress may pass statutes on process and POTUS may defer to it, but Congress does not have the power to issue orders to a co-equal branch of government on constitutional powers. Never has. Never will. Such would be one co-equal branch of govt. seizing power over parts of another. (well, Congress has the power to pass such a law, but POTUS would not sign it and SCOTUS would not let it stand.) "Hey. You there. Department of Energy. Forget about the President. You work for us (Congress) now on this particular matter. This is how you protect your classified secrets. Pay no attention to the President whatsoever." The nonsense we are seeing in the press is just plain goofy. Nuclear weapons are military weapons; POTUS is CIC of the military. So how on earth do people with college degrees find purchase to argue that secrets involving nuclear weapons (which are military weapons designed, manufactured, possessed, used, and delivered by vehicles designed, manufactured, possessed, and deployed by the US military) are classified by Congress rather than the office identified subject-verb-object by the Constitution as being the commander in chief of the military (POTUS).

Example of how XO drives ALL classification: note the attached XO. Nowhere in it does it refer to any authority other than prior XO.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2010/01/05/E9-31425/original-classification-authority

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Absolute BS.

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tripartite contretemps.

- le KKM

{ finishing coffee }

Dnicknames said:

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Except you're just making stuff up, so if that appeals to a certain crowd here count me out.

This topic has been decided repeatedly by the SCOTUS, most recently Navy vs Egan. It's not debatable b/c it's been ruled on repeatedly at the highest level. Classification authority flows from potus EXCEPT in instances separated by powers by law. And the Atomic Energy Act is specifically referenced. The POTUS can't declassify nuclear according to the Supreme Court.

If the search warrant was about letters to North Korea or similar, I will agree with you Garland over reached with a turd and he should resign. If there was - as reported - both spy craft and nuclear SCI documents, which had been requested to be returned, Trump is going to get indicted. It's just sequencing now.

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Except you are making up a conflict which doesn't really exist citing a very narrow exception, and then misconstruing that exception. Egan is broadly cited as precedence for broad, virtually unchecked executive authority in such matters. Subsequent court rulings related to Egan have not curtailed it so much as clarified the fuzzier margins of it (sometimes in ways that constrain it).

Secondly, I noted there were statutory issues at play. Congress is not entirely powerless to demand classification on matters not delegated to the POTUS in the Constitution.

Thirdly and more importantly, no statute can overrule clear constitutional powers vested in POTUS for classification authority over matters pertaining to foreign policy and national security, which is 99% of classified material.

The location of our boomers on deployment is classified. POTUS could, should need and moment present, tell for any of a number of reason a foreign dignitary "well, I just sailed the Ohio across your warning buoys. Did your ears hear that?" (Gunboat diplomacy). He might also reassure a nervous ally that the Ike is en route and his country will be under its protective umbrella in 4hrs 28mins. (Coalition building). Both involve declassification of nuclear secrets in by pursuance of policy. Neither is illegal. You would be well advised to ignore Democrat spin nonsense suggesting that the word "nuclear" neuters broad, unchecked Presidential classification authority.

Like I said. You are contemplating a turd of an argument.
Don't touch it.

Biden's DOJ told a federal court that the FBI had to raid Trump's house because a CBS news article saw trucks at Mar-a-Lago when Trump was president. pic.twitter.com/mROEJAhBz2

— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) August 26, 2022

*Redacted info may dramatically change an initial read.** It looks a lot like a pissing match between Trump and his political enemies in govt. (DOJ/FBI/White House/NationalArchives), whereby govt. looking for excuse to escalate rather than de-escalate.https://t.co/4fHwNNm9WY

— Sharyl Attkisson🕵️‍♂️ (@SharylAttkisson) August 26, 2022

...When the court called for the release of the affidavit, he indicated that he could push back on the DOJ redactions but did not do so...

— Jonathan Turley (@JonathanTurley) August 26, 2022