Doc Holliday said:

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whiterock said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Yeah - I trust the leakers behind and armed raid for overdue library books.

https://news.yahoo.com/main-steele-dossier-source-fbi-121024011.html

Igor Danchenko, a primary contributor to the Steele dossier, was hired by the FBI as a confidential informant in 2017, Special Counsel John Durham revealed in a new court filing.

The Russian national was ultimately charged in 2021 as part of Durham's probe of the Trump-Russia investigation; he is accused of lying to the FBI regarding his sources for some claims in the Steele dossier. The charges focus on statements Danchenko made related to the sources he used in providing information to an investigative firm in the United Kingdom.

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Hiring Danchenko as a paid source protects him from public inquiry. Protection of sources & methods. Yeah, prosecutors and congressional investigators can get to him, but have to jump lots of hurdles that take lots of time and end up with lots & lots of redactions of anything revealed to the public.

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Our republic can't withstand this level of corruption:

The FBI is totally and irredeemably corrupt.

They did this *after* Danchenko had disavowed the dossier by admitting it was just bar talk and gossip. Danchenko had *zero* value as a CHS.

The *only* reason they made him a CHS was to CONCEAL THEIR OWN MALFEASANCE.

Shut it down. https://t.co/vpuOFHUjAa

— Hans Mahncke (@HansMahncke) September 13, 2022

This twitter account put many of these pieces together years ago: https://twitter.com/walkafyre

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The FBI definitely didn't conduct an armed raid against a former president to get materials damaging to the FBI.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3655062-trump-claims-presidents-can-declassify-documents-even-by-thinking-about-it/amp/#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16638403860826&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

I've been thinking about winning a trial next Monday. Guess I don't have to show up.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3655062-trump-claims-presidents-can-declassify-documents-even-by-thinking-about-it/amp/#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16638403860826&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

I've been thinking about winning a trial next Monday. Guess I don't have to show up.

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Do you have plenary power over the judicial process?

Separately, do you understand how analogies work?

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quash said:

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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3655062-trump-claims-presidents-can-declassify-documents-even-by-thinking-about-it/amp/#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16638403860826&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

I've been thinking about winning a trial next Monday. Guess I don't have to show up.

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Do you have plenary power over the judicial process?

Separately, do you understand how analogies work?

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no and looks like no..

For some reason, people cant wrap their head around the fact that POTUS has powers that nobody else has.. the executive branch/admin state can not limit Potus' power. (No Trump can not think declassification but he can declassify verbally and in writing almost anything imediately)

Do you tell your boss what to do?

4th and Inches said:

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Golem said:

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quash said:

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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3655062-trump-claims-presidents-can-declassify-documents-even-by-thinking-about-it/amp/#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16638403860826&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

I've been thinking about winning a trial next Monday. Guess I don't have to show up.

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Do you have plenary power over the judicial process?

Separately, do you understand how analogies work?

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Do you tell your boss what to do?

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No. We've been married for 22 years and she wouldn't appreciate that.

Appeals Court Thoroughly Rebukes Federal Judge in Ruling on Mar-a-Lago Files

By Andrew C. McCarthy
September 22, 2022

The Eleventh Circuit panel observed that on the most critical question before the court - namely, whether the government had exhibited a "callous disregard" for Trump's constitutional rights - even Trump did not claim such a thing, and Judge Cannon concluded there was no such evidence. That alone would have been sufficient grounds to deny Trump's special-master petition, let alone to carve the classified documents out of it.

Nevertheless, the panel proceeded to assess other relevant factors.

In concluding that Trump failed to show that he had any need for the return of the documents at issue, the panel emphasized that Trump had failed to proffer any evidence that he had declassified the documents. On that score, the court noted Trump's resistance to Judge Dearie's admonition that it was his burden to produce evidence of declassification (which I've detailed here). Regardless, the panel observed that it "could not discern" why Trump, who is no longer president, would have a need even to know about, let alone keep in his possession, classified information that is encumbered by need-to-know restrictions - restrictions "that pertain equally to former presidents" - absent a dispensation from the incumbent president (which President Biden has not issued). Consequently, the panel rejected Judge Cannon's speculation that Trump might have a cognizable interest in the classified documents.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/appeals-court-thoroughly-rebukes-federal-judge-in-ruling-on-mar-a-lago-files/?utm_source=recirc-mobile&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=corner&utm_term=first

Have the overdue library books been returned and democracy restored?

Has Nebraska raided Baylor? Is Aranda really looking at a head coaching spot at Nebraska?wow!

Reporter said:

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Has Nebraska raided Baylor? Is Aranda really looking at a head coaching spot at Nebraska?wow!

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lol, no

Reporter is like Gaston...

EatMoreSalmon said:

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Reporter is like Gaston...

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And spelling...

4th and Inches said:

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Golem said:

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quash said:

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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3655062-trump-claims-presidents-can-declassify-documents-even-by-thinking-about-it/amp/#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16638403860826&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

I've been thinking about winning a trial next Monday. Guess I don't have to show up.

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Do you have plenary power over the judicial process?

Separately, do you understand how analogies work?

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no and looks like no..

For some reason, people cant wrap their head around the fact that POTUS has powers that nobody else has.. the executive branch/admin state can not limit Potus' power. (No Trump can not think declassification but he can declassify verbally and in writing almost anything imediately)

Do you tell your boss what to do?

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More powers than a magic Negro...

quash said:

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Golem said:

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quash said:

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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3655062-trump-claims-presidents-can-declassify-documents-even-by-thinking-about-it/amp/#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16638403860826&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

I've been thinking about winning a trial next Monday. Guess I don't have to show up.

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Do you have plenary power over the judicial process?

Separately, do you understand how analogies work?

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no and looks like no..

For some reason, people cant wrap their head around the fact that POTUS has powers that nobody else has.. the executive branch/admin state can not limit Potus' power. (No Trump can not think declassification but he can declassify verbally and in writing almost anything imediately)

Do you tell your boss what to do?

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More powers than a magic Negro...

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Thanks for admitting you are an unmitigated dumbass.

#CogitoErgoDecalare

Bigger THREAT TO DEMOCRACY - overdue library books or incorrect real estate valuations?

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Bigger THREAT TO DEMOCRACY - overdue library books or incorrect real estate valuations?

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lol at incorrect real estate valueations.. only value real estate has is the price a seller is willing to sell at and the value the buyer is willing to buy at and that changes daily!

4th and Inches said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Bigger THREAT TO DEMOCRACY - overdue library books or incorrect real estate valuations?

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lol at incorrect real estate valueations.. only value real estate has is the price a seller is willing to sell at and the value the buyer is willing to buy at and that changes daily!

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not exactly - these were businesses. not empty plots of land. the valuations were for the business entities.

sounds like voodoo economics.

BUT these banks employ MBAs from the top schools - they - the few that actually lent to Orange & Co. - knew what they were getting into.

- KKM

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

william said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Bigger THREAT TO DEMOCRACY - overdue library books or incorrect real estate valuations?

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lol at incorrect real estate valueations.. only value real estate has is the price a seller is willing to sell at and the value the buyer is willing to buy at and that changes daily!

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not exactly - these were businesses. not empty plots of land. the valuations were for the business entities.

sounds like voodoo economics.

BUT these banks employ MBAs from the top schools - they - the few that actually lent to Orange & Co. - knew what they were getting into.

- KKM

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

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Valuations highly subjective. Gonna be hard to prove. Appraiser is the person on the hot seat, that is why they insurance and expert witnesses.

Gonna turn into a difference of professional opinion.

RMF5630 said:

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william said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Bigger THREAT TO DEMOCRACY - overdue library books or incorrect real estate valuations?

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lol at incorrect real estate valueations.. only value real estate has is the price a seller is willing to sell at and the value the buyer is willing to buy at and that changes daily!

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not exactly - these were businesses. not empty plots of land. the valuations were for the business entities.

sounds like voodoo economics.

BUT these banks employ MBAs from the top schools - they - the few that actually lent to Orange & Co. - knew what they were getting into.

- KKM

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

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Valuations highly subjective. Gonna be hard to prove. Appraiser is the person on the hot seat, that is why they insurance and expert witnesses.

Gonna turn into a difference of professional opinion.

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not really - DCF. any supposed 'Trump Premia' will need to be proven.

I think Orange's habit of pulling crap from his large ass will be his down fall this time.

- KKM

Now he'll really be wearing Orange.

william said:

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RMF5630 said:

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william said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Bigger THREAT TO DEMOCRACY - overdue library books or incorrect real estate valuations?

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lol at incorrect real estate valueations.. only value real estate has is the price a seller is willing to sell at and the value the buyer is willing to buy at and that changes daily!

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not exactly - these were businesses. not empty plots of land. the valuations were for the business entities.

sounds like voodoo economics.

BUT these banks employ MBAs from the top schools - they - the few that actually lent to Orange & Co. - knew what they were getting into.

- KKM

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

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Valuations highly subjective. Gonna be hard to prove. Appraiser is the person on the hot seat, that is why they insurance and expert witnesses.

Gonna turn into a difference of professional opinion.

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not really - DCF. any supposed 'Trump Premia' will need to be proven.

I think Orange's habit of pulling crap from his large ass will be his down fall this time.

- KKM

Now he'll really be wearing Orange.

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At the time of the valuation. Not now. Also, it is not Trumps premium, it is the markets as determined by the appraiser at the time of the valuation. Gonna be tough to prove fraud.

RMF5630 said:

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william said:

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RMF5630 said:

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william said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Bigger THREAT TO DEMOCRACY - overdue library books or incorrect real estate valuations?

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lol at incorrect real estate valueations.. only value real estate has is the price a seller is willing to sell at and the value the buyer is willing to buy at and that changes daily!

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not exactly - these were businesses. not empty plots of land. the valuations were for the business entities.

sounds like voodoo economics.

BUT these banks employ MBAs from the top schools - they - the few that actually lent to Orange & Co. - knew what they were getting into.

- KKM

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

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Valuations highly subjective. Gonna be hard to prove. Appraiser is the person on the hot seat, that is why they insurance and expert witnesses.

Gonna turn into a difference of professional opinion.

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not really - DCF. any supposed 'Trump Premia' will need to be proven.

I think Orange's habit of pulling crap from his large ass will be his down fall this time.

- KKM

Now he'll really be wearing Orange.

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At the time of the valuation. Not now. Also, it is not Trumps premium, it is the markets as determined by the appraiser at the time of the valuation. Gonna be tough to prove fraud.

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not exactly. this is RE - not some Future Tech with a 25 year model to work thru.

Rooms * Rate = NOI.

- KKM

Reasonably bright 9th grader (does not include Orange) could do the math.

Lots of competitors to gauge any Market Premium. Not some new Tech.

- KKM

Valuations can be difficult to prove, but giving different valuations to different entities (insurance providers, lenders, tax officials, etc.) so you can derive hundreds of millions of dollars in benefit is pretty clear fraud.

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Valuations can be difficult to prove, but giving different valuations to different entities (insurance providers, lenders, tax officials, etc.) so you can derive hundreds of millions of dollars in benefit is pretty clear fraud.

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and all on the person who did it.. that would be the guy already in trouble. Unless you can prove it was the orange dummy pulling the strings.

He may be a victim of his own ignorance

william said:

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RMF5630 said:

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william said:

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RMF5630 said:

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william said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Bigger THREAT TO DEMOCRACY - overdue library books or incorrect real estate valuations?

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lol at incorrect real estate valueations.. only value real estate has is the price a seller is willing to sell at and the value the buyer is willing to buy at and that changes daily!

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not exactly - these were businesses. not empty plots of land. the valuations were for the business entities.

sounds like voodoo economics.

BUT these banks employ MBAs from the top schools - they - the few that actually lent to Orange & Co. - knew what they were getting into.

- KKM

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

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Valuations highly subjective. Gonna be hard to prove. Appraiser is the person on the hot seat, that is why they insurance and expert witnesses.

Gonna turn into a difference of professional opinion.

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not really - DCF. any supposed 'Trump Premia' will need to be proven.

I think Orange's habit of pulling crap from his large ass will be his down fall this time.

- KKM

Now he'll really be wearing Orange.

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At the time of the valuation. Not now. Also, it is not Trumps premium, it is the markets as determined by the appraiser at the time of the valuation. Gonna be tough to prove fraud.

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not exactly. this is RE - not some Future Tech with a 25 year model to work thru.

Rooms * Rate = NOI.

- KKM

Reasonably bright 9th grader (does not include Orange) could do the math.

Lots of competitors to gauge any Market Premium. Not some new Tech.

- KKM

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You are letting your desire to catch Trump doing something illegal that is proveable. This is not that type of case, fraud is tough to prove. Valuation is an art, as much as a technical exercise. If he stayed with the professional valuations, he is fine. The other side is if the banks even used his valuations or did their own. If I were the AG, I would look into the preservation easements for tax impacts.

Unless they have him on tape telling them to commit fraud for his personal profit, you will have a tough time proving it. You are going to have two sets of expert witnesses talking methodology and assumptions, all subjective and different industry standards. You will have Duetsche Bank saying that the valuations not used and were consistent with the risk based on market conditions as they valued them. Tough road to hoe.

voted for DT twice and would likely again if he was on the ballot.

doesnt mean he shouldn't be held responsible for chicanery / leger de main / donfoolery.

- KKM

william said:

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voted for DT twice and would likely again if he was on the ballot.

doesnt mean he shouldn't be held responsible for chicanery / leger de main / donfoolery.

- KKM

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I agree. Just not big on the making him guilty in the media before they charge him, due process, and find him guilty. They are and have been in discovery for years...

NY has not charged him with anything. Yet, his businesses information is all over the media. I also find it interesting that all of 20 and 21, nothing. 2022 before midterms and now it is paramount that he is tried publicly by Congress, by DOJ and State of NY all these cases are now top priority. Midterms baby... I will believe they have something when they actually prosecute him.

Feds won't get in trouble for this.

FBI agents drilled and pried their way into 1,400 safe-deposit boxes.

18 months later, newly unsealed court documents show that the FBI and U.S. attorney’s office in Los Angeles got their warrant for that raid by misleading the judge who approved it.https://t.co/zygb4JQG3u

— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) September 23, 2022

RMF5630 said:

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william said:

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voted for DT twice and would likely again if he was on the ballot.

doesnt mean he shouldn't be held responsible for chicanery / leger de main / donfoolery.

- KKM

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I agree. Just not big on the making him guilty in the media before they charge him, due process, and find him guilty. They are and have been in discovery for years...

NY has not charged him with anything. Yet, his businesses information is all over the media. I also find it interesting that all of 20 and 21, nothing. 2022 before midterms and now it is paramount that he is tried publicly by Congress, by DOJ and State of NY all these cases are now top priority. Midterms baby... I will believe they have something when they actually prosecute him.

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I guess because things are going so well in New York they have time to prosecute valuations crimes where literally no one is concerned. Love weaponized bureaucrats. #fascist #authoritarian

Doc Holliday said:

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Feds won't get in trouble for this.

FBI agents drilled and pried their way into 1,400 safe-deposit boxes.

18 months later, newly unsealed court documents show that the FBI and U.S. attorney’s office in Los Angeles got their warrant for that raid by misleading the judge who approved it.https://t.co/zygb4JQG3u

— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) September 23, 2022

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The FBI behind the Russia Hoax?
The FBI that suppressed Hunters laptop?
The FBI that leaked Project Veritas privileged communication?
The FBI that leak fake news about overdue library books?

Shocking.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Feds won't get in trouble for this.

FBI agents drilled and pried their way into 1,400 safe-deposit boxes.

18 months later, newly unsealed court documents show that the FBI and U.S. attorney’s office in Los Angeles got their warrant for that raid by misleading the judge who approved it.https://t.co/zygb4JQG3u

— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) September 23, 2022

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The FBI behind the Russia Hoax?
The FBI that suppressed Hunters laptop?
The FBI that leaked Project Veritas privileged communication?
The FBI that leak fake news about overdue library books?

Shocking.

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Democrats and never Trumpers love our politically weaponized FBI. They know they're shady, but they do their bidding and they'll continue to look the other way.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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RMF5630 said:

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william said:

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voted for DT twice and would likely again if he was on the ballot.

doesnt mean he shouldn't be held responsible for chicanery / leger de main / donfoolery.

- KKM

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I agree. Just not big on the making him guilty in the media before they charge him, due process, and find him guilty. They are and have been in discovery for years...

NY has not charged him with anything. Yet, his businesses information is all over the media. I also find it interesting that all of 20 and 21, nothing. 2022 before midterms and now it is paramount that he is tried publicly by Congress, by DOJ and State of NY all these cases are now top priority. Midterms baby... I will believe they have something when they actually prosecute him.

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I guess because things are going so well in New York they have time to prosecute valuations crimes where literally no one is concerned. Love weaponized bureaucrats. #fascist #authoritarian

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There are still no charges. Duetche Bank has not said that they used the valuations or that they were wronged and there are no mention of taxes (if you over value, it would not help taxes!). So, I am not sure charges will ever come unless they just want to prosecute.

4th and Inches said:

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HuMcK said:

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Valuations can be difficult to prove, but giving different valuations to different entities (insurance providers, lenders, tax officials, etc.) so you can derive hundreds of millions of dollars in benefit is pretty clear fraud.

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and all on the person who did it.. that would be the guy already in trouble. Unless you can prove it was the orange dummy pulling the strings.

He may be a victim of his own ignorance

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Regulatory requirements would force the bank to appraise any property purchased or leveraged. So this has to be about valuations on attached corporate or personal balance sheets.

If he had enough assets to secure the loan, 10-20% over-valuation on a few properties would not and should not have been an issue. So this is really a case on immaterial technicalities of a few items in the margins of a large portfolio balance sheet with substantial equity.

There are some charming stories being crafted here, but y'all might want to actually look at NY's claims before getting too far ahead of yourselves.

Sam Lowry said:

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There are some charming stories being crafted here, but y'all might want to actually look at NY's claims before getting too far ahead of yourselves.

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Come on Sam, don't be coy, enlighten us!

Doc Holliday said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Feds won't get in trouble for this.

FBI agents drilled and pried their way into 1,400 safe-deposit boxes.

18 months later, newly unsealed court documents show that the FBI and U.S. attorney’s office in Los Angeles got their warrant for that raid by misleading the judge who approved it.https://t.co/zygb4JQG3u

— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) September 23, 2022

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The FBI behind the Russia Hoax?
The FBI that suppressed Hunters laptop?
The FBI that leaked Project Veritas privileged communication?
The FBI that leak fake news about overdue library books?

Shocking.

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Democrats and never Trumpers love our politically weaponized FBI. They know they're shady, but they do their bidding and they'll continue to look the other way.

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They can't see it because of the 10 masks.