Reading between the lines…..

cute.. the unredacted parts are the same as the leaked info from the media..

Nice vagueness that most of the records were already back in possession of NARA when they just in case raided MAL.

because.. this is the good part! There were moving trucks that took stuff to MAL.. shocking!

Not helping their case to look like competent law enforcement people with the public.

All that stuff under probable cause that might help people understand was blacked out.

Random thoughts to ponder..

"bearing classification markings" does not mean they were still classified.

Little but a political stunt to give the left-wing noise machine red meat to throw to low-information TDSers.

sam reacting to the "news":

The affidavit astroturf begins as Dems make the same frenetic orange man bad claims that they did with every other ill fated witch hunt. We already knew formerly classified materials were there at the Mar-a-lago- Trump declassed them. The document is 80% redacted lol #Affidavit

— Styxhexenhammer666 (@Styx666Official) August 26, 2022

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal. <<<you are here
And if it is, it is not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did.
You deserved it.

First there was nothing there, then it was planted, then it was the GSA people's fault for packing stuff, then it was "declassified" (without memorialization of course). We're about a week away from "of course there was classified info there, and it's everybody else's fault because DEEP STATE!" I'm sure I'm missing some, but the goalposts move so fast it's hard to keep up.

HuMcK said:

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That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal. <<<you are here
And if it is, it is not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did.
You deserved it.

First there was nothing there, then it was planted, then it was the GSA people's fault for packing stuff, then it was "declassified" (without memorialization of course). We're about a week away from "of course there was classified info there, and it's everybody else's fault because DEEP STATE!" I'm sure I'm missing some, but the goalposts move so fast it's hard to keep up.

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Let us know if democracy is restored when the National Archives gets the overdue library books returned.

HuMcK said:

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That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal. <<<you are here
And if it is, it is not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did.
You deserved it.

First there was nothing there, then it was planted, then it was the GSA people's fault for packing stuff, then it was "declassified" (without memorialization of course). We're about a week away from "of course there was classified info there, and it's everybody else's fault because DEEP STATE!" I'm sure I'm missing some, but the goalposts move so fast it's hard to keep up.

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And now, predictably, this: The GOP version of "defund the police" = "The FBI are liars" (when the FBI director, Christopher Wray, is a Trump appointee) for doing their jobs, which, in this case, was retrieving stolen state secrets from the home of a former POTUS who staged a spectacularly unprofessional, inept coup complete with a Damon Runyonesque cast of characters--Guiliani leaking hair dye and motor oil, Jenna Ellis, Sydney Powell--more inept than the Gang that Couldn't Shoot Straight, supported by sleezy Rogaine-using political hacks like Jim Jordan who take taxpayer salariesy but yap on Fox as their full-time job.

The same FBI who lied about Russian “collusion” and raided President Trump’s home asked Facebook to manipulate its feed to bury the Hunter Biden story.

— Rep. Jim Jordan (@Jim_Jordan) August 26, 2022

Give up dude. They lied on both. You b****ing about people calling them out doesnt change that they are evil pathological liars.

'Defund the police' (who in general are just doing their jobs) is not close to the same as a calling out the corrupt lying political Stasi.

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad. <<<you're still here
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, it is not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did.
You deserved it.

That didn't happen.
<<<you're still here
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, it is not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did.
You deserved it.

The question of obstruction was front and center when the affidavit for the federal search warrant to look at former President Donald J. Trump's property was in part made public on Friday.

A statute related to obstruction was among those used to underpin the case for a warrant. Questions have emerged about whether Mr. Trump or his team were obstructing the investigation into additional documents.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/08/26/us/trump-warrant-affidavit

Former President Donald J. Trump took more than 700 pages of classified documents, including some related to the nation's most covert intelligence operations, to his private club and residence in Florida when he left the White House in January 2021, according to a letter that the National Archives sent to his lawyers this year.

The letter, dated May 10 and written to one of Mr. Trump's lawyers by the acting U.S. archivist, Debra Steidel Wall, confirmed that the former president had kept at Mar-a-Lago documents related to Special Access Programs, some of the nation's most closely held secrets, before the F.B.I. searched the property.

Yes yes, we know the drill. Keep making up crap and when he fights it we'll get him on obstruction.

Time for a new playbook.

I wish democrats put the same effort into helping the country that they do into persecuting their political enemies and enriching themselves.

Married A Horn said:

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Yes yes, we know the drill. Keep making up crap and when he fights it we'll get him on obstruction.

Time for a new playbook.

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They don't need a new playbook as long as there are plenty of mental midgets left around to believe the old narrative.

True. I stand corrected. My bad.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean immune from investigation until proven guilty. That would be a self-defeating principle.

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Investigation is one thing, publicly televised investigations is another. Having Federal Agencies target you is another. %A0That is weaponizing. %A0The Liz Show was weaponizing on National TV against a future candidate.

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If they were investigating in secret, you'd call it police state tactics and demand they televise the evidence. And who do you expect to investigate violations of federal law if not federal agencies? Let's face it, there's no scenario where Trump is accountable and his fans are happy with the process.

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So, you find the Liz Show perfectly fine? Yeah, nothing politically motivated there. We can speculate that Trump is guilty, but the Jan 6th Commission is above board!

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You completely ignored the thrust of Sam's point. The Jan 6 committee investigation was on TV so it's the Liz Show and apparently unfounded. But had it been done in secret and a damning report released it would have been void for lack of transparency at best and accused of star chamber tactics at worst.

Y'all are going to have to make up your mind: do you want the transparency provided by due process or do you want people attacking FBI offices?

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Why is there only secret or made for TV special in prime time? How about in the normal slot of when Confressionsl Committees meet with the same CSPAN coverage. Or even mid day coverage? Even the same as Confirmation Hearings would be better. This format looks like a hit job designed for most eyes, not a serious hearing. Even people they called were geared for sensationalism, not facts. So, it didn't have to be secret, just normal to be credible.

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Several days of hearings were during daytime television. Still got better ratings than CSI, except among Fox viewers. It was normal, it was certainly factual but that some facts were sensational is no fault of the committee.

Donald Trump seems to have done something that years of pleading by intelligence officials failed to do: he has awakened in the news media a reverence for the classification of government documents.

— Brit Hume (@brithume) August 26, 2022

What's scary is things that used to happen in secret are now happening in broad daylight without a care in the world.

With the most liberal DC judges and grand juries they have shown after 6 years of 'investigations' into the corrupt liberal swamp that absolutely nothing will happen if they do the most partisan shady corrupt things to Republicans. Things only movies could make up are now happening in the public without a care in the world of backlash or legal consequences. They flat out admit what they are doing knowing they will never be prosecuted purely out of partisan politics.

Most say it won't affect their daily lives, well compare our culture/politics to what it was just 10 yrs ago and you would be very wrong.

riflebear said:

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What's scary is things that used to happen in secret are now happening in broad daylight without a care in the world.

With the most liberal DC judges and grand juries they have shown after 6 years of 'investigations' into the corrupt liberal swamp that absolutely nothing will happen if they do the most partisan shady corrupt things to Republicans. Things only movies could make up are now happening in the public without a care in the world of backlash or legal consequences. They flat out admit what they are doing knowing they will never be prosecuted purely out of partisan politics.

Most say it won't affect their daily lives, well compare our culture/politics to what it was just 10 yrs ago and you would be very wrong.

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Wrong in what way, specifically?

J.B.Katz said:

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The question of obstruction was front and center when the affidavit for the federal search warrant to look at former President Donald J. Trump's property was in part made public on Friday.

A statute related to obstruction was among those used to underpin the case for a warrant. Questions have emerged about whether Mr. Trump or his team were obstructing the investigation into additional documents.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/08/26/us/trump-warrant-affidavit

Former President Donald J. Trump took more than 700 pages of classified documents, including some related to the nation's most covert intelligence operations, to his private club and residence in Florida when he left the White House in January 2021, according to a letter that the National Archives sent to his lawyers this year.

The letter, dated May 10 and written to one of Mr. Trump's lawyers by the acting U.S. archivist, Debra Steidel Wall, confirmed that the former president had kept at Mar-a-Lago documents related to Special Access Programs, some of the nation's most closely held secrets, before the F.B.I. searched the property.

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you Forgot the part where he doesnt have them, NARA does and they werent there when they raided the house.

Also classified documents markings doesnt mean classified but i degress..

Claim your mental emancipation, learn How to think instead of being told what to think.. its never too late. Both sides are telling you what they want you to know. Dig deeper, one side may be or the other may be right or both sides may be wrong which has been the case so far..

This all circles back to a document dispute under PRA and the president is the decider of most of that..

The affidavit revealed nothing new that wasn't already leaked to the press by our very prestigious and honorable DOJ

Former FBI assistant directer and intelligence chief Kevin Brock, ordinarily an ardent defender of his former agency, has raised concerns that the bureau did not exhaust other means to resolve the dispute over presidential and alleged classified records Trump kept. He said he did not believe the FBI adequately considered the possibility that Trump had wide latitude to declassify records and declare them personal.

"I will caveat all of this by saying we can only see what we can see. But the first thing that jumped out to me is that the probable cause statement focuses on the nature of the documents, and where they are.

"But it doesn't, at least in the un-redacted portion, address the main element of the criminal federal statutes that they cite," said Brock, a respected three-decade agent who rose to become the bureau's first intelligence chief under Director Robert Mueller.

"The FBI should not have participated in this investigation," Brock continued. "It is something that needs to be settled along established roots in that regard that we traditionally used. There was no need for law enforcement involvement in this. And there was certainly no need for an invasive search for the residence. "

Brock noted the affidavit even acknowledged the president had the power to declassify and did not call the documents in disputed classified but rather documents with classified markings.

Asked if he were still in the FBI whether he would have authorized the search warrant, Brock answered: "No, frankly not."

4th and Inches said:

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Former FBI assistant directer and intelligence chief Kevin Brock, ordinarily an ardent defender of his former agency, has raised concerns that the bureau did not exhaust other means to resolve the dispute over presidential and alleged classified records Trump kept. He said he did not believe the FBI adequately considered the possibility that Trump had wide latitude to declassify records and declare them personal.

"I will caveat all of this by saying we can only see what we can see. But the first thing that jumped out to me is that the probable cause statement focuses on the nature of the documents, and where they are.

"But it doesn't, at least in the un-redacted portion, address the main element of the criminal federal statutes that they cite," said Brock, a respected three-decade agent who rose to become the bureau's first intelligence chief under Director Robert Mueller.

"The FBI should not have participated in this investigation," Brock continued. "It is something that needs to be settled along established roots in that regard that we traditionally used. There was no need for law enforcement involvement in this. And there was certainly no need for an invasive search for the residence. "

Brock noted the affidavit even acknowledged the president had the power to declassify and did not call the documents in disputed classified but rather documents with classified markings.

Asked if he were still in the FBI whether he would have authorized the search warrant, Brock answered: "No, frankly not."

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Link?

4th and Inches said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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The question of obstruction was front and center when the affidavit for the federal search warrant to look at former President Donald J. Trump's property was in part made public on Friday.

A statute related to obstruction was among those used to underpin the case for a warrant. Questions have emerged about whether Mr. Trump or his team were obstructing the investigation into additional documents.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/08/26/us/trump-warrant-affidavit

Former President Donald J. Trump took more than 700 pages of classified documents, including some related to the nation's most covert intelligence operations, to his private club and residence in Florida when he left the White House in January 2021, according to a letter that the National Archives sent to his lawyers this year.

The letter, dated May 10 and written to one of Mr. Trump's lawyers by the acting U.S. archivist, Debra Steidel Wall, confirmed that the former president had kept at Mar-a-Lago documents related to Special Access Programs, some of the nation's most closely held secrets, before the F.B.I. searched the property.

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you Forgot the part where he doesnt have them, NARA does and they werent there when they raided the house.

Also classified documents markings doesnt mean classified but i degress..

Claim your mental emancipation, learn How to think instead of being told what to think.. its never too late. Both sides are telling you what they want you to know. Dig deeper, one side may be or the other may be right or both sides may be wrong which has been the case so far..

This all circles back to a document dispute under PRA and the president is the decider of most of that..

The affidavit revealed nothing new that wasn't already leaked to the press by our very prestigious and honorable DOJ

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What do mean they weren't there? We know the FBI retrieved classified documents from the house.

Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Former FBI assistant directer and intelligence chief Kevin Brock, ordinarily an ardent defender of his former agency, has raised concerns that the bureau did not exhaust other means to resolve the dispute over presidential and alleged classified records Trump kept. He said he did not believe the FBI adequately considered the possibility that Trump had wide latitude to declassify records and declare them personal.

"I will caveat all of this by saying we can only see what we can see. But the first thing that jumped out to me is that the probable cause statement focuses on the nature of the documents, and where they are.

"But it doesn't, at least in the un-redacted portion, address the main element of the criminal federal statutes that they cite," said Brock, a respected three-decade agent who rose to become the bureau's first intelligence chief under Director Robert Mueller.

"The FBI should not have participated in this investigation," Brock continued. "It is something that needs to be settled along established roots in that regard that we traditionally used. There was no need for law enforcement involvement in this. And there was certainly no need for an invasive search for the residence. "

Brock noted the affidavit even acknowledged the president had the power to declassify and did not call the documents in disputed classified but rather documents with classified markings.

Asked if he were still in the FBI whether he would have authorized the search warrant, Brock answered: "No, frankly not."

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Link?

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Former FBI assistant directer and intelligence chief Kevin Brock, ordinarily an ardent defender of his former agency, has raised concerns that the bureau did not exhaust other means to resolve the dispute over presidential and alleged classified records Trump kept. He said he did not believe the FBI adequately considered the possibility that Trump had wide latitude to declassify records and declare them personal.

"I will caveat all of this by saying we can only see what we can see. But the first thing that jumped out to me is that the probable cause statement focuses on the nature of the documents, and where they are.

"But it doesn't, at least in the un-redacted portion, address the main element of the criminal federal statutes that they cite," said Brock, a respected three-decade agent who rose to become the bureau's first intelligence chief under Director Robert Mueller.

"The FBI should not have participated in this investigation," Brock continued. "It is something that needs to be settled along established roots in that regard that we traditionally used. There was no need for law enforcement involvement in this. And there was certainly no need for an invasive search for the residence. "

Brock noted the affidavit even acknowledged the president had the power to declassify and did not call the documents in disputed classified but rather documents with classified markings.

Asked if he were still in the FBI whether he would have authorized the search warrant, Brock answered: "No, frankly not."

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Okay
No authority

AUSA contact said DOJ let the affidavit be released without taking the issue to a Dist.Ct. judge or the 11th Circuit, which in his mind shows they aren't really trying to protect the investigation, and this likely means they aren't aggressively pursuing this as a criminal matter.

If they do, its because they are being pressed into it.

Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Former FBI assistant directer and intelligence chief Kevin Brock, ordinarily an ardent defender of his former agency, has raised concerns that the bureau did not exhaust other means to resolve the dispute over presidential and alleged classified records Trump kept. He said he did not believe the FBI adequately considered the possibility that Trump had wide latitude to declassify records and declare them personal.

"I will caveat all of this by saying we can only see what we can see. But the first thing that jumped out to me is that the probable cause statement focuses on the nature of the documents, and where they are.

"But it doesn't, at least in the un-redacted portion, address the main element of the criminal federal statutes that they cite," said Brock, a respected three-decade agent who rose to become the bureau's first intelligence chief under Director Robert Mueller.

"The FBI should not have participated in this investigation," Brock continued. "It is something that needs to be settled along established roots in that regard that we traditionally used. There was no need for law enforcement involvement in this. And there was certainly no need for an invasive search for the residence. "

Brock noted the affidavit even acknowledged the president had the power to declassify and did not call the documents in disputed classified but rather documents with classified markings.

Asked if he were still in the FBI whether he would have authorized the search warrant, Brock answered: "No, frankly not."

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No authority

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ICYMI: the Nunes memo was TOP SECRET/NOFORN- it was declassified by Trump. So it had classified markings but was declassified by Trump while he was in office.

This is an example.. and possibly one of the documents listed in the back and forth.

Having classified markings is not the same thing as marked as classified.

4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Former FBI assistant directer and intelligence chief Kevin Brock, ordinarily an ardent defender of his former agency, has raised concerns that the bureau did not exhaust other means to resolve the dispute over presidential and alleged classified records Trump kept. He said he did not believe the FBI adequately considered the possibility that Trump had wide latitude to declassify records and declare them personal.

"I will caveat all of this by saying we can only see what we can see. But the first thing that jumped out to me is that the probable cause statement focuses on the nature of the documents, and where they are.

"But it doesn't, at least in the un-redacted portion, address the main element of the criminal federal statutes that they cite," said Brock, a respected three-decade agent who rose to become the bureau's first intelligence chief under Director Robert Mueller.

"The FBI should not have participated in this investigation," Brock continued. "It is something that needs to be settled along established roots in that regard that we traditionally used. There was no need for law enforcement involvement in this. And there was certainly no need for an invasive search for the residence. "

Brock noted the affidavit even acknowledged the president had the power to declassify and did not call the documents in disputed classified but rather documents with classified markings.

Asked if he were still in the FBI whether he would have authorized the search warrant, Brock answered: "No, frankly not."

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No authority

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You win Sicem today.

DOJ and FBI redacted their reasons for redactions in their justification for raiding a U.S. president's home.

You cant make this sh.. up!

4th and Inches said:

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DOJ and FBI redacted their reasons for redactions in their justification for raiding a U.S. president's home.

You cant make this sh.. up!

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Most people don't care..........unfortunately .

4th and Inches said:

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AUSA contact said DOJ let the affidavit be released without taking the issue to a Dist.Ct. judge or the 11th Circuit, which in his mind shows they aren't really trying to protect the investigation, and this likely means they aren't aggressively pursuing this as a criminal matter.

If they do, its because they are being pressed into it.

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That would depend on the redactions, which from what I gather are quite extensive. No surprise there.