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Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
FBI raids Trump's home
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Amazing that all these investigations happen in a vacuum and have absolutely nothing to do with one another, despite being decidedly one sided in their executions and outcomes... crazy coincidences I guess.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
everybody have fun toniteWangchung said:
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everybody build (nuclear) bombs tonite (at home)
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I'm betting Washington Post's sources guessed wrong and this is related to CIA sources and methods, not nuclear docs.
they can say whatever they want with little need to prove it, classified documents will not be released to public so make stuff up and people gossip into a frenzy, the art of modern journalismDoc Holliday said:
I'm betting Washington Post's sources guessed wrong and this is related to CIA sources and methods, not nuclear docs.
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Yep, it's really a political move and it's backfiring on them.4th and Inches said:they can say whatever they want with little need to prove it, classified documents will not be released to public so make stuff up and people gossip into a frenzy, the art of modern journalismDoc Holliday said:
I'm betting Washington Post's sources guessed wrong and this is related to CIA sources and methods, not nuclear docs.
Just look at the goons in here trying to downplay it and tell us we're overreacting. They know deep down this is bs.
Torn between my relief that the perp wasn't someone from this site and my disgust that Trump keeps riling up the crazies to physically attack people Trump perceives as his opponents...in this case, law enforcement personnel who work for the FBI.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/08/12/shiffer-trump-truth-social-fan/?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=wp_news_alert_revere&location=alert
In the minutes after an armed man in body armor tried to breach an FBI field office in Cincinnati, an account with the suspect's name, Ricky Shiffer, posted to former president Donald Trump's social network, Truth Social: "If you don't hear from me, it is true I tried attacking the F.B.I."
The Shiffer account appeared to be one of Truth Social's most prolific posters, writing 374 messages there in the past eight days mostly to echo Trump's lies about election fraud and, in the hours after FBI agents searched Trump's Florida home, calling for all-out war. "Be ready to kill the enemy," Shiffer had posted on Tuesday. "Kill [the FBI] on sight."
Shiffer was killed Thursday in a shootout, police said, and the Truth Social account has since been taken down. But the calls for pro-Trump violence are still a common presence online including on Truth Social, where the top "trending topics" Friday morning were "#FBIcorruption" and "DefundTheFBI."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/08/12/shiffer-trump-truth-social-fan/?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=wp_news_alert_revere&location=alert
In the minutes after an armed man in body armor tried to breach an FBI field office in Cincinnati, an account with the suspect's name, Ricky Shiffer, posted to former president Donald Trump's social network, Truth Social: "If you don't hear from me, it is true I tried attacking the F.B.I."
The Shiffer account appeared to be one of Truth Social's most prolific posters, writing 374 messages there in the past eight days mostly to echo Trump's lies about election fraud and, in the hours after FBI agents searched Trump's Florida home, calling for all-out war. "Be ready to kill the enemy," Shiffer had posted on Tuesday. "Kill [the FBI] on sight."
Shiffer was killed Thursday in a shootout, police said, and the Truth Social account has since been taken down. But the calls for pro-Trump violence are still a common presence online including on Truth Social, where the top "trending topics" Friday morning were "#FBIcorruption" and "DefundTheFBI."
(thinks about the WaPo and NYT track record for accuracy on their stories about Trump, chuckles and moves on)
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
moat:log::speck:sprinkle*J.B.Katz said:
Torn between my relief that the perp wasn't someone from this site and my disgust that Trump keeps riling up the crazies to physically attack people Trump perceives as his opponents...in this case, law enforcement personnel who work for the FBI.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/08/12/shiffer-trump-truth-social-fan/?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=wp_news_alert_revere&location=alert
In the minutes after an armeence are still a common presence online including on Truth Social, where the top "trending topics" Friday morning were "#FBIcorruption" and "DefundTheFBI."
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Sounds like a false flag to me especially if he was one of the top posters on FED social over the past few days.J.B.Katz said:
Torn between my relief that the perp wasn't someone from this site and my disgust that Trump keeps riling up the crazies to physically attack people Trump perceives as his opponents...in this case, law enforcement personnel who work for the FBI.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/08/12/shiffer-trump-truth-social-fan/?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=wp_news_alert_revere&location=alert
In the minutes after an armed man in body armor tried to breach an FBI field office in Cincinnati, an account with the suspect's name, Ricky Shiffer, posted to former president Donald Trump's social network, Truth Social: "If you don't hear from me, it is true I tried attacking the F.B.I."
The Shiffer account appeared to be one of Truth Social's most prolific posters, writing 374 messages there in the past eight days mostly to echo Trump's lies about election fraud and, in the hours after FBI agents searched Trump's Florida home, calling for all-out war. "Be ready to kill the enemy," Shiffer had posted on Tuesday. "Kill [the FBI] on sight."
Shiffer was killed Thursday in a shootout, police said, and the Truth Social account has since been taken down. But the calls for pro-Trump violence are still a common presence online including on Truth Social, where the top "trending topics" Friday morning were "#FBIcorruption" and "DefundTheFBI."
11 sets of classified docs. some top secret. some compartmented. NEVER EVER supposed to be even looked at off site. he's up there w Edward Snowden, depending of course on what people think of him.
— Harry Litman (@harrylitman) August 12, 2022
A thread worth reading on what constitutes classified documents:
In the past few hours many of us have watched the discussion regarding classified documents & their appropriate storage.
— Mark Hertling (@MarkHertling) August 12, 2022
Since like most senior officers I had some experience in this area, I thought it would be helpful to provide some BASIC info.
So, this new 🧵is born! 1/21
Trump should just come out and say I apologize, the reason I took the nuclear info was because I wanted to learn more about climate change and to study up on clean energy.
or shoot them at hurricanes.
That's quite a backbend.
J.B.Katz said:11 sets of classified docs. some top secret. some compartmented. NEVER EVER supposed to be even looked at off site. he's up there w Edward Snowden, depending of course on what people think of him.
— Harry Litman (@harrylitman) August 12, 2022
A thread worth reading on what constitutes classified documents:In the past few hours many of us have watched the discussion regarding classified documents & their appropriate storage.
— Mark Hertling (@MarkHertling) August 12, 2022
Since like most senior officers I had some experience in this area, I thought it would be helpful to provide some BASIC info.
So, this new 🧵is born! 1/21
No argument whatsoever that he could have declassified by a wave of the wand.
— Harry Litman (@harrylitman) August 12, 2022
Another dummy with poor wording..
LoL
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NARA is publicly refuting Trump's claims about Obama taking 30 million pages of documents—NARA moved them, they maintain them, and Obama has no control over them https://t.co/Rhzp8Dj8xU
— Owen Barcala (@obarcala) August 12, 2022
Hearing the Warrant seems to pretain to PRA and mishandling of docs (18 usc 2071)
No listing of espionage (18 usc 793) so not pushing as if he was selling secrets based on warrant..
No listing of espionage (18 usc 793) so not pushing as if he was selling secrets based on warrant..
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I'd check that again.
18 USC 793 is espionage.
Backbend is never the posture Trump wants his minions to assume.Stefano DiMera said:
That's quite a backbend.
What's dismaying is that they're so eager to bend over for him.
Seems like they'd figure out things won't end well...for them.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/08/michael-cohen-is-scathing-about-donald-trump-so-why-did-he-spend-years-enabling-him
right, hearing it isnt listed.Stefano DiMera said:
18 USC 793 is espionage.
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Add to this the fact that an FBI lawyer literally faked evidence to obtain a warrant to spy on the Trump campaign - among the most profound breaches of duty an attorney can engage in - and he got a year of probation and then had his law license reinstated.
— Rachel Bovard (@rachelbovard) August 12, 2022
what you got?ScruffyD said:
I'd check that again.
Edit: getting this now
18 USC 2071 Concealment, removal or mutilation
18 USC 793 Gathering, transmitting or losing defence information
18 USC 1519 Destruction, alteration or falsification of records in Federal investigations
Was originally told it wasnt on there
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So, it's your opinion?Booray said:Merrick Garland did not do this for no reason.whiterock said:all the reporting I have seen indicates he was cooperating, to include securing the material as requested behind a locked door.Booray said:
Or different in that Obama complied with the law and Trump did not.
I am sure it hurt to have that small detail pointed out.
If you can show me where he refused to grant further access for inspection or retrieval, I'm all ears. Not WAPO unnamed sources, but documentary proof.
This is why DC libs can do anything they want because they know there will be no consequences. It's a dangerous game but libs love it.
For reference, this is the penalty for lying to a judge to obtain a politically motivated search warrant pic.twitter.com/indxI6EhMK
— Fusilli Spock (@awstar11) August 9, 2022
After years of outright lies, innuendos, false reprorting, faked evidence, misdirection, it's hard to believe anything from "news" organizationsriflebear said:
Everyone jumped on the Newsweek article a few days ago for how amazing the info was and the info they had then Garland came out and said he approved the search which Newsweek said he hadn't.
The blatant lying articles about Trump continue. See why no one but libs trust the media anymore?
According to the federal Courts: "Presidential Records Act does not confer any mandatory or even discretionary authority on Archivist to classify records. Under the statute, this responsibility is left solely to the President."
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Kash Patel (who worked with Def Dept as COS) said the GSA packed the boxes & shipped them from the White House to Mar a Lago. It's not like Trump snuck them out and then the GSA said some of the boxes were sent in error.
Unless the DOJ is hiding some insane crime for before the election this sounds like a typical biased partisan witch hunt to help the Dems that never in a million years would have been done to a Dem President.
Unless the DOJ is hiding some insane crime for before the election this sounds like a typical biased partisan witch hunt to help the Dems that never in a million years would have been done to a Dem President.
Top Secret requires a GSA-approved container with guards, security-in-depth conditions, an open storage facility, or an IDS vault. Nuclear secrets are classified Above Top Secret. I don't know the requirements for that, but presumably they're as strict or stricter. Also an interesting fact -- the president's power to declassify is not absolute. Secrets related to the production and use of nuclear weapons are inherently classified.4th and Inches said:What is the NARA regulation on storing classified nuclear secrets?Sam Lowry said:The appropriate standard would be NARA regulations, not embassy practice.whiterock said:behind two locks....a locked file safe and a locked door would suffice, particularly when guarded by armed USG personnel.Sam Lowry said:The president taking a document home doesn't automatically declassify it. This should be obvious to anyone who's not desperate to come up with a last-ditch defense. The report about the informant and the undisclosed documents isn't speculation. It came from two senior government officials. Your theory that it was made up by someone with a grudge? That's speculation. There are any number of nuclear-related documents other than SIOPS and code cards that a president could see. As for secure facilities, you're probably talking about outdated rules. All classified information currently has to be stored in containers or facilities built according to certain specifications.Oldbear83 said:OK, my turnC. Jordan said:This is totally incorrect.4th and Inches said:A) nothing he took is classified.. he declassified everything he took by the act of taking it when leaving office.BaylorJacket said:
Truly a fascinating situation. Trump is stupid enough to illegally take home classified Nuclear documents.
But, the government is absolutely (beyond) corrupt enough to plant evidence.
B) the FBI and NARA had access to the records previously and told him to make them more secure with an additional lock which he did.
As a former president, he has an office, a secured space and security. It was still safe and secure just like the 30000 pages of records Obama has..
Watching to see how the game of warrant chicken playes out..
The warrant affidavit was sealed so I would love to see who "snitched". Supposedly a USS guy..
Both sides are getting riled up and its hilarious to watch.
A) He has to formally declassify documents. His taking them home doesn't declassify them.
B) The FBI believed he had documents he hadn't disclosed. Apparently an informant in Trumpworld clued them in.
Now, we're hearing the docs may have been related to nukes.
Third, his office at Mara Lardo is not a secure classified facility.
The warrant won't tell you who the informant is.
So, you're wrong about it all.
A) Classification depends on a number of factors. Some classifications have sunset provisions so after a certain time they declassify (this was done so academics could access historical docs at Archives w/o a cumbersome process), while some are classified only under certain conditions (e.g. the President's travel plans for a given day are classified for that day and while in office bc routine, but are not classified once the POTUS becomes a former POTUS). Still other documents are classified according to who may or may not see them. For example, some documents would not be classified for Trump bc he created the document or already had prior knowledge of their content, but would be beyond the authority of the FBI agents who raided the residence. The absence of a Special Master at the scene therefore either implies that the documents were not sensitive, or else that the FBI royally screwed up.
B) Speculation. Also, the FBI regularly shields their informants by having the real source submit their tips through a third party who is paid by the FBI to play the role. The circumstances do not rule out someone with a grudge making up **** to go after Trump. There is, after all, precedent for just that behavior.
Regarding nukes, you're going to have a really hard time selling that claim. As POTUS, the closest thing Trump would have seen or handled with regard to nuclear weapons would the the SIOP, which by definition is partly created by the POTUS as CINC (see part A about who has authority to see such material), or an old nuclear codes card, which would be valueless and obsolete by the next day. All in all, that dog won't hunt.
As for 'secure facilities', depending on the level of classification any locked cabinet and door may be sufficient to meet the requirement for secure documents. You need to stop confusing movie glitz with the real world.
So, you're blowing smoke like a Cheech & Chong movie. Only you're not funny at all.
....like every Embassy I served in, which had a Marine Security Guard on duty at the front door, a lock on the Station door, a lock on a closet door, and a lock on a metal safe, otherwise located amid a miasma of third-world misery which could have boiled over the walls & up the stairs and be working on the locks with crowbars in minutes.
Sam loves to presume guilt.
He don't need no steeenking evidence!
He don't need no steeenking evidence!
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
That ain't good.
NYT: Search warrant for Mar-a-Lago identifies three federal crimes that DOJ is looking at as part of its investigation: violations of the Espionage Act, obstruction of justice and criminal handling of government records.
— Jim Acosta (@Acosta) August 12, 2022
HuMcK said:
That ain't good.NYT: Search warrant for Mar-a-Lago identifies three federal crimes that DOJ is looking at as part of its investigation: violations of the Espionage Act, obstruction of justice and criminal handling of government records.
— Jim Acosta (@Acosta) August 12, 2022
Because it was so bad they 'found out about it' in June and waited 2 months to act on it. Super secret top secret they just asked to put an extra lock on the door it was so sensitive.
Seriously, how many times must u all be fooled?
If it turns out something crazy criminal happened then I'll be the first to condemn
This is like Saddam or Putin going after their enemies.
You ain't honest.HuMcK said:
That ain't good.NYT: Search warrant for Mar-a-Lago identifies three federal crimes that DOJ is looking at as part of its investigation: violations of the Espionage Act, obstruction of justice and criminal handling of government records.
— Jim Acosta (@Acosta) August 12, 2022
Then again, neither is the AG.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
I will take it one step further, he left office in January 2020. They just noticed top secret documents missing 18 months later? They knew they went to the President's office, wasn't there a chain of custody?riflebear said:HuMcK said:
That ain't good.NYT: Search warrant for Mar-a-Lago identifies three federal crimes that DOJ is looking at as part of its investigation: violations of the Espionage Act, obstruction of justice and criminal handling of government records.
— Jim Acosta (@Acosta) August 12, 2022
Because it was so bad they 'found out about it' in June and waited 2 months to act on it. Super secret top secret they just asked to put an extra lock on the door it was so sensitive.
Seriously, how many times must u all be fooled?
If it turns out something crazy criminal happened then I'll be the first to condemn