Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam quoting the Atlantic.

But he wants us to count him as 'conservative'

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OLDBEAR: I read a wide variety of news and opinion sources in order to familiarize myself with all points of view, evaluate them critically, and reach a deeper understanding of our world.

ALSO OLDBEAR: Lookit this dumbayss what reads the Att-lantic and cawls hisself a consuhrvative!!!

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I read the Atlantic. But I can't remember ever finding cause to cite it to support a conservative case for anything.

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I don't ever remember you making a conservative case for anything. Kevin Williamson says it well in his latest column for National Review:

Quote:

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We are at a peculiar moment in history when "You support the regime!" is an indictment hurled at conservatives by people who think of themselves as conservatives. Supporting the regime -- with qualifications, with the knowledge that it is not synonymous with the current administration or its policies, and with "conversation so nicely / Restricted to What Precisely / and If and Perhaps and But" -- is pretty much what conservatives do: Keeping irresponsible radicals well away from the levers of political power is part of the conservative mandate. Which is what makes it so damned peculiar to see these callow little men citing Edmund Burke as the animating spirit of their reconstituted Jacobinism. Whatever it is to dream of storming some new Bastille and manning ranks of literal or metaphorical guillotines, it isn't conservatism.

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my posts fairly consistently question the misplaced sense of virtue of neverTrumpism, not the underlying political ideology of those intoxicated with it.

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Your posts refer to legitimate concerns about authoritarianism and demagoguery as "onanism" -- a slightly nicer way of throwing the jagoff sign whenever someone mentions the Constitution. And you fairly consistently label your opponents as woke Marxists or Marxist dupes of one variety or another.

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam quoting the Atlantic.

But he wants us to count him as 'conservative'

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OLDBEAR: I read a wide variety of news and opinion sources in order to familiarize myself with all points of view, evaluate them critically, and reach a deeper understanding of our world.

ALSO OLDBEAR: Lookit this dumbayss what reads the Att-lantic and cawls hisself a consuhrvative!!!

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I read the Atlantic. But I can't remember ever finding cause to cite it to support a conservative case for anything.

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I don't ever remember you making a conservative case for anything. Kevin Williamson says it well in his latest column for National Review:

Quote:

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We are at a peculiar moment in history when "You support the regime!" is an indictment hurled at conservatives by people who think of themselves as conservatives. Supporting the regime -- with qualifications, with the knowledge that it is not synonymous with the current administration or its policies, and with "conversation so nicely / Restricted to What Precisely / and If and Perhaps and But" -- is pretty much what conservatives do: Keeping irresponsible radicals well away from the levers of political power is part of the conservative mandate. Which is what makes it so damned peculiar to see these callow little men citing Edmund Burke as the animating spirit of their reconstituted Jacobinism. Whatever it is to dream of storming some new Bastille and manning ranks of literal or metaphorical guillotines, it isn't conservatism.

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my posts fairly consistently question the misplaced sense of virtue of neverTrumpism, not the underlying political ideology of those intoxicated with it.

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Your posts refer to legitimate concerns about authoritarianism and demagoguery as "onanism" -- a slightly nicer way of throwing the jagoff sign whenever someone mentions the Constitution. And you fairly consistently label your opponents as woke Marxists or Marxist dupes of one variety or another.

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4th and Inches said:

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Trump was and is not the medicine, Trump was a symptom of a sick govt.

The antibodies of change are coming, only then we will see if the sickness wins or healing of the country begins

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam quoting the Atlantic.

But he wants us to count him as 'conservative'

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OLDBEAR: I read a wide variety of news and opinion sources in order to familiarize myself with all points of view, evaluate them critically, and reach a deeper understanding of our world.

ALSO OLDBEAR: Lookit this dumbayss what reads the Att-lantic and cawls hisself a consuhrvative!!!

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I read the Atlantic. But I can't remember ever finding cause to cite it to support a conservative case for anything.

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I don't ever remember you making a conservative case for anything. Kevin Williamson says it well in his latest column for National Review:

Quote:

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We are at a peculiar moment in history when "You support the regime!" is an indictment hurled at conservatives by people who think of themselves as conservatives. Supporting the regime -- with qualifications, with the knowledge that it is not synonymous with the current administration or its policies, and with "conversation so nicely / Restricted to What Precisely / and If and Perhaps and But" -- is pretty much what conservatives do: Keeping irresponsible radicals well away from the levers of political power is part of the conservative mandate. Which is what makes it so damned peculiar to see these callow little men citing Edmund Burke as the animating spirit of their reconstituted Jacobinism. Whatever it is to dream of storming some new Bastille and manning ranks of literal or metaphorical guillotines, it isn't conservatism.

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my posts fairly consistently question the misplaced sense of virtue of neverTrumpism, not the underlying political ideology of those intoxicated with it.

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Your posts refer to legitimate concerns about authoritarianism and demagoguery as "onanism" -- a slightly nicer way of throwing the jagoff sign whenever someone mentions the Constitution. And you fairly consistently label your opponents as woke Marxists or Marxist dupes of one variety or another.

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The problem there is that authoritarianism is being evidenced by Democrats and state institutions controlled by Democrats, who are indeed woke cultural Marxists, with whom you are in tactical alliance to destroy political opposition (see above, bold) you cannot defeat with ideas.

Fading establishments typically do perceive the new orders rising to replace them as "the monkeys driving the bus." (an actual phrase used by a McLennan County party leadership just after they lost power by wide margin.) The swing voter in the dynamic like that invariably has to weigh the warts on both sides and ultimately decides the new warts are preferable to the old ones. Remember that as you watch returns from WY tonight, which is going to presage the direction for the next several years. Prepare for a long time in the wilderness howling at the darkness.

Trump is not the new order. He is the crucible thru which one will be formed that will likely not include him. You should think about that while you still have a little wax left on your wick.

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam quoting the Atlantic.

But he wants us to count him as 'conservative'

---

OLDBEAR: I read a wide variety of news and opinion sources in order to familiarize myself with all points of view, evaluate them critically, and reach a deeper understanding of our world.

ALSO OLDBEAR: Lookit this dumbayss what reads the Att-lantic and cawls hisself a consuhrvative!!!

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I read the Atlantic. But I can't remember ever finding cause to cite it to support a conservative case for anything.

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I don't ever remember you making a conservative case for anything. Kevin Williamson says it well in his latest column for National Review:

Quote:

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We are at a peculiar moment in history when "You support the regime!" is an indictment hurled at conservatives by people who think of themselves as conservatives. Supporting the regime -- with qualifications, with the knowledge that it is not synonymous with the current administration or its policies, and with "conversation so nicely / Restricted to What Precisely / and If and Perhaps and But" -- is pretty much what conservatives do: Keeping irresponsible radicals well away from the levers of political power is part of the conservative mandate. Which is what makes it so damned peculiar to see these callow little men citing Edmund Burke as the animating spirit of their reconstituted Jacobinism. Whatever it is to dream of storming some new Bastille and manning ranks of literal or metaphorical guillotines, it isn't conservatism.

---

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my posts fairly consistently question the misplaced sense of virtue of neverTrumpism, not the underlying political ideology of those intoxicated with it.

---

Your posts refer to legitimate concerns about authoritarianism and demagoguery as "onanism" -- a slightly nicer way of throwing the jagoff sign whenever someone mentions the Constitution. And you fairly consistently label your opponents as woke Marxists or Marxist dupes of one variety or another.

---

The problem there is that authoritarianism is being evidenced by Democrats and state institutions controlled by Democrats, who are indeed woke cultural Marxists, with whom you are in tactical alliance to destroy political opposition (see above, bold) you cannot defeat with ideas.

Fading establishments typically do perceive the new orders rising to replace them as "the monkeys driving the bus." (an actual phrase used by a McLennan County party leadership just after they lost power by wide margin.) The swing voter in the dynamic like that invariably has to weigh the warts on both sides and ultimately decides the new warts are preferable to the old ones. Remember that as you watch returns from WY tonight, which is going to presage the direction for the next several years. Prepare for a long time in the wilderness howling at the darkness.

Trump is not the new order. He is the crucible thru which one will be formed that will likely not include him. You should think about that while you still have a little wax left on your wick.

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I was thinking about a new conservative order when the neocons were dominant, so I'm used to howling in the wilderness. The problem with the post-Trumpian order is that it's shaping up to be more Trumpian than conservative. You pose a false dilemma between alliance with Marxists and alliance with proto-fascists. I refuse to accept it for reasons that should be obvious to any student of history.

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whiterock said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Trump was and is not the medicine, Trump was a symptom of a sick govt.

The antibodies of change are coming, only then we will see if the sickness wins or healing of the country begins

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I'd rephrase the idiom to say he IS the medicine, Syrup of Ipecac, to purge the patient. The future care & feeding to restore a cured patient will, however, required different potions and treatments.

Victor David Hanson's "Trump as a Tragic Hero" is pertinent on this point. Trump is the right guy and the right time needed for a very specific job. He's a terrible choice for almost any other time. But.....

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2018/04/30/donald-trump-tragic-hero/ (paywalled)
video presentation of the article:


There is a reason why Democrats are going to such extraordinary measures to destroy him. They recognize that he is an existential threat to long-building progressive hegemony. They cannot win on ideas, so they have to destroy the messenger. The problem they face is, the more strident the attacks become, the more they ratify the critiques against the progressive order as being intolerant to the point of despotic, and totally preoccupied with problems disconnect from ordinary people. We are literally watching that dynamic build as the weeks and months go by.

DEBUNKED
(just saving Sam a few keystrokes).

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whiterock said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Trump was and is not the medicine, Trump was a symptom of a sick govt.

The antibodies of change are coming, only then we will see if the sickness wins or healing of the country begins

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They recognize that he is an existential threat to long-building progressive hegemony.

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Trump was and is not the medicine, Trump was a symptom of a sick govt.

The antibodies of change are coming, only then we will see if the sickness wins or healing of the country begins

---

I'd rephrase the idiom to say he IS the medicine, Syrup of Ipecac, to purge the patient. The future care & feeding to restore a cured patient will, however, required different potions and treatments.

Victor David Hanson's "Trump as a Tragic Hero" is pertinent on this point. Trump is the right guy and the right time needed for a very specific job. He's a terrible choice for almost any other time. But.....

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2018/04/30/donald-trump-tragic-hero/ (paywalled)
video presentation of the article:


There is a reason why Democrats are going to such extraordinary measures to destroy him. They recognize that he is an existential threat to long-building progressive hegemony. They cannot win on ideas, so they have to destroy the messenger. The problem they face is, the more strident the attacks become, the more they ratify the critiques against the progressive order as being intolerant to the point of despotic, and totally preoccupied with problems disconnect from ordinary people. We are literally watching that dynamic build as the weeks and months go by.

DEBUNKED
(just saving Sam a few keystrokes).

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What I find funny in all this is that Trump's "Kryptonite" is right there in front of the Dems, yet they can't bring themselves to do it.

They keep trying all these hairbrained schemes to make him pay, discredit him, and/or destroy his polling numbers. Yet, he is doing better now than when they started.

All they need to do is ignore him. Don't give him a role in the story. The more they go after him, the more they play into his strength. Just ignore him, stop all the attempts to get him and make him pay or not a viable candidate. He thrives on this chaos and story lines that he can now play the victim.

All of 2021, you heard nothing of Trump. He was a non-entity. Liz got rolling and he is a getting stronger. This latest misstep will really hurt. He is now tragic and sympathetic to those that before said no way.

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Trump was and is not the medicine, Trump was a symptom of a sick govt.

The antibodies of change are coming, only then we will see if the sickness wins or healing of the country begins

---

I'd rephrase the idiom to say he IS the medicine, Syrup of Ipecac, to purge the patient. The future care & feeding to restore a cured patient will, however, required different potions and treatments.

Victor David Hanson's "Trump as a Tragic Hero" is pertinent on this point. Trump is the right guy and the right time needed for a very specific job. He's a terrible choice for almost any other time. But.....

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2018/04/30/donald-trump-tragic-hero/ (paywalled)
video presentation of the article:


There is a reason why Democrats are going to such extraordinary measures to destroy him. They recognize that he is an existential threat to long-building progressive hegemony. They cannot win on ideas, so they have to destroy the messenger. The problem they face is, the more strident the attacks become, the more they ratify the critiques against the progressive order as being intolerant to the point of despotic, and totally preoccupied with problems disconnect from ordinary people. We are literally watching that dynamic build as the weeks and months go by.

DEBUNKED
(just saving Sam a few keystrokes).

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What I find funny in all this is that Trump's "Kryptonite" is right there in front of the Dems, yet they can't bring themselves to do it.

They keep trying all these hairbrained schemes to make him pay, discredit him, and/or destroy his polling numbers. Yet, he is doing better now than when they started.

All they need to do is ignore him. Don't give him a role in the story. The more they go after him, the more they play into his strength. Just ignore him, stop all the attempts to get him and make him pay or not a viable candidate. He thrives on this chaos and story lines that he can now play the victim.

All of 2021, you heard nothing of Trump. He was a non-entity. Liz got rolling and he is a getting stronger. This latest misstep will really hurt. He is now tragic and sympathetic to those that before said no way.

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CBS News reporter @NorahODonnell falsely reported the FBI hadn’t seized Trump’s passport in their raid on his home. Her Tweet is still up with no correction: https://t.co/o0wovfMmk4

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) August 16, 2022

riflebear said:

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We are already seeing many leaks that the media pushed that social media spreads to drum up their base then a few days later we find out it's a lie.

Another one is the passports. Media says Trump is lying when Major media hosts tweet DOJ officials say they didn't take Trump's passport then we hear today the FBI returned them.

What a sham this is so far but they don't care because the lies already spread around the internet.

CBS News reporter @NorahODonnell falsely reported the FBI hadn’t seized Trump’s passport in their raid on his home. Her Tweet is still up with no correction: https://t.co/o0wovfMmk4

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) August 16, 2022

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam quoting the Atlantic.

But he wants us to count him as 'conservative'

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam quoting the Atlantic.

But he wants us to count him as 'conservative'

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This is Trump's American: can't mount a fact based argument but damn sure knows which books/magazines to burn.

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam quoting the Atlantic.

But he wants us to count him as 'conservative'

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This is Trump's American: can't mount a fact based argument but damn sure knows which books/magazines to burn.

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RMF5630 said:

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riflebear said:

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We are already seeing many leaks that the media pushed that social media spreads to drum up their base then a few days later we find out it's a lie.

Another one is the passports. Media says Trump is lying when Major media hosts tweet DOJ officials say they didn't take Trump's passport then we hear today the FBI returned them.

What a sham this is so far but they don't care because the lies already spread around the internet.

CBS News reporter @NorahODonnell falsely reported the FBI hadn’t seized Trump’s passport in their raid on his home. Her Tweet is still up with no correction: https://t.co/o0wovfMmk4

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) August 16, 2022

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Trump is beyond requiring corrections, apologies or even common courtesy. They pretty much believe they can do whatever they want to the guy.

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam quoting the Atlantic.

But he wants us to count him as 'conservative'

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This is Trump's American: can't mount a fact based argument but damn sure knows which books/magazines to burn.

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Well now.

1. I can and do use facts. Sorry you don't like the ones I use, but that doesn't change facts being facts

2. Godwin says you lose

3. I never hinted at burning anything. Project much?

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She went scorched earth and did not hold back.https://t.co/KYZxAfusBs

— Gunnery Sergeant Jessie Jane Duff (@JessieJaneDuff) August 17, 2022

4th and Inches said:

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LoL- good job Biden admin..

YouGov poll: Trump Favorability Before and After FBI Raid

August 7, RV: 41/58 (-17)
August 16, RV: 43/54 (-11)

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Holy shlit

Sam Harris just admitted he supported censoring the Hunter Biden laptop story because it helped Biden

This man just set his entire career on fire pic.twitter.com/FG3JI5Rb7e

— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) August 18, 2022

riflebear said:

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This is how the media thinks and they brag about it.

Holy shlit

Sam Harris just admitted he supported censoring the Hunter Biden laptop story because it helped Biden

This man just set his entire career on fire pic.twitter.com/FG3JI5Rb7e

— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) August 18, 2022

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Doc Holliday said:

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riflebear said:

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This is how the media thinks and they brag about it.

Holy shlit

Sam Harris just admitted he supported censoring the Hunter Biden laptop story because it helped Biden

This man just set his entire career on fire pic.twitter.com/FG3JI5Rb7e

— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) August 18, 2022

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Sometimes they come right out and say what they really believe.

Sam Harris is a smart guy, but not smart enough to escape TDS.

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riflebear said:

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This is how the media thinks and they brag about it.

Holy shlit

Sam Harris just admitted he supported censoring the Hunter Biden laptop story because it helped Biden

This man just set his entire career on fire pic.twitter.com/FG3JI5Rb7e

— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) August 18, 2022

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Osodecentx said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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riflebear said:

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This is how the media thinks and they brag about it.

Holy shlit

Sam Harris just admitted he supported censoring the Hunter Biden laptop story because it helped Biden

This man just set his entire career on fire pic.twitter.com/FG3JI5Rb7e

— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) August 18, 2022

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Sometimes they come right out and say what they really believe.

Sam Harris is a smart guy, but not smart enough to escape TDS.

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This guy?

Samuel Benjamin Harris (born April 9, 1967) is an American philosopher, author, and podcast host. His work touches on a wide range of topics, including rationality, religion, ethics, free will, neuroscience, meditation, psychedelics, philosophy of mind, politics, terrorism, and artificial intelligence. Harris came to prominence for his criticism of religion, and Islam in particular,[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Harris#cite_note-bowles_2019-2][2][/url] and is known as one of the "Four Horsemen" of New Atheism, along with Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, and Daniel Dennett

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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riflebear said:

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This is how the media thinks and they brag about it.

Holy shlit

Sam Harris just admitted he supported censoring the Hunter Biden laptop story because it helped Biden

This man just set his entire career on fire pic.twitter.com/FG3JI5Rb7e

— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) August 18, 2022

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Sometimes they come right out and say what they really believe.

Sam Harris is a smart guy, but not smart enough to escape TDS.

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This guy?

Samuel Benjamin Harris (born April 9, 1967) is an American philosopher, author, and podcast host. His work touches on a wide range of topics, including rationality, religion, ethics, free will, neuroscience, meditation, psychedelics, philosophy of mind, politics, terrorism, and artificial intelligence. Harris came to prominence for his criticism of religion, and Islam in particular,[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Harris#cite_note-bowles_2019-2][2][/url] and is known as one of the "Four Horsemen" of New Atheism, along with Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, and Daniel Dennett

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yeah. brilliant dude. I enjoy listing to him debate other intellectuals and often agree with him.

But he just admitted that it's ok for smart people and their institutions to conspire amongst themselves to affect outcomes of election in the name of protecting democracy....because they know better.

He just made the case for Trumpism.

LOL

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4th and Inches said:

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Trump was and is not the medicine, Trump was a symptom of a sick govt.

The antibodies of change are coming, only then we will see if the sickness wins or healing of the country begins

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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riflebear said:

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This is how the media thinks and they brag about it.

Holy shlit

Sam Harris just admitted he supported censoring the Hunter Biden laptop story because it helped Biden

This man just set his entire career on fire pic.twitter.com/FG3JI5Rb7e

— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) August 18, 2022

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Sometimes they come right out and say what they really believe.

Sam Harris is a smart guy, but not smart enough to escape TDS.

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This guy?

Samuel Benjamin Harris (born April 9, 1967) is an American philosopher, author, and podcast host. His work touches on a wide range of topics, including rationality, religion, ethics, free will, neuroscience, meditation, psychedelics, philosophy of mind, politics, terrorism, and artificial intelligence. Harris came to prominence for his criticism of religion, and Islam in particular,[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Harris#cite_note-bowles_2019-2][2][/url] and is known as one of the "Four Horsemen" of New Atheism, along with Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, and Daniel Dennett

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yeah. brilliant dude. I enjoy listing to him debate other intellectuals and often agree with him.

But he just admitted that it's ok for smart people and their institutions to conspire amongst themselves to affect outcomes of election in the name of protecting democracy....because they know better.

He just made the case for Trumpism.

LOL

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam quoting the Atlantic.

But he wants us to count him as 'conservative'

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OLDBEAR: I read a wide variety of news and opinion sources in order to familiarize myself with all points of view, evaluate them critically, and reach a deeper understanding of our world.

ALSO OLDBEAR: Lookit this dumbayss what reads the Att-lantic and cawls hisself a consuhrvative!!!

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I read the Atlantic. But I can't remember ever finding cause to cite it to support a conservative case for anything.

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I don't ever remember you making a conservative case for anything. Kevin Williamson says it well in his latest column for National Review:

Quote:

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We are at a peculiar moment in history when "You support the regime!" is an indictment hurled at conservatives by people who think of themselves as conservatives. Supporting the regime -- with qualifications, with the knowledge that it is not synonymous with the current administration or its policies, and with "conversation so nicely / Restricted to What Precisely / and If and Perhaps and But" -- is pretty much what conservatives do: Keeping irresponsible radicals well away from the levers of political power is part of the conservative mandate. Which is what makes it so damned peculiar to see these callow little men citing Edmund Burke as the animating spirit of their reconstituted Jacobinism. Whatever it is to dream of storming some new Bastille and manning ranks of literal or metaphorical guillotines, it isn't conservatism.

---

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my posts fairly consistently question the misplaced sense of virtue of neverTrumpism, not the underlying political ideology of those intoxicated with it.

---

Your posts refer to legitimate concerns about authoritarianism and demagoguery as "onanism" -- a slightly nicer way of throwing the jagoff sign whenever someone mentions the Constitution. And you fairly consistently label your opponents as woke Marxists or Marxist dupes of one variety or another.

---

The problem there is that authoritarianism is being evidenced by Democrats and state institutions controlled by Democrats, who are indeed woke cultural Marxists, with whom you are in tactical alliance to destroy political opposition (see above, bold) you cannot defeat with ideas.

Fading establishments typically do perceive the new orders rising to replace them as "the monkeys driving the bus." (an actual phrase used by a McLennan County party leadership just after they lost power by wide margin.) The swing voter in the dynamic like that invariably has to weigh the warts on both sides and ultimately decides the new warts are preferable to the old ones. Remember that as you watch returns from WY tonight, which is going to presage the direction for the next several years. Prepare for a long time in the wilderness howling at the darkness.

Trump is not the new order. He is the crucible thru which one will be formed that will likely not include him. You should think about that while you still have a little wax left on your wick.

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I was thinking about a new conservative order when the neocons were dominant, so I'm used to howling in the wilderness. The problem with the post-Trumpian order is that it's shaping up to be more Trumpian than conservative. You pose a false dilemma between alliance with Marxists and alliance with proto-fascists. I refuse to accept it for reasons that should be obvious to any student of history.

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Waco1947 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam quoting the Atlantic.

But he wants us to count him as 'conservative'

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OLDBEAR: I read a wide variety of news and opinion sources in order to familiarize myself with all points of view, evaluate them critically, and reach a deeper understanding of our world.

ALSO OLDBEAR: Lookit this dumbayss what reads the Att-lantic and cawls hisself a consuhrvative!!!

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I read the Atlantic. But I can't remember ever finding cause to cite it to support a conservative case for anything.

---

I don't ever remember you making a conservative case for anything. Kevin Williamson says it well in his latest column for National Review:

Quote:

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We are at a peculiar moment in history when "You support the regime!" is an indictment hurled at conservatives by people who think of themselves as conservatives. Supporting the regime -- with qualifications, with the knowledge that it is not synonymous with the current administration or its policies, and with "conversation so nicely / Restricted to What Precisely / and If and Perhaps and But" -- is pretty much what conservatives do: Keeping irresponsible radicals well away from the levers of political power is part of the conservative mandate. Which is what makes it so damned peculiar to see these callow little men citing Edmund Burke as the animating spirit of their reconstituted Jacobinism. Whatever it is to dream of storming some new Bastille and manning ranks of literal or metaphorical guillotines, it isn't conservatism.

---

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my posts fairly consistently question the misplaced sense of virtue of neverTrumpism, not the underlying political ideology of those intoxicated with it.

---

Your posts refer to legitimate concerns about authoritarianism and demagoguery as "onanism" -- a slightly nicer way of throwing the jagoff sign whenever someone mentions the Constitution. And you fairly consistently label your opponents as woke Marxists or Marxist dupes of one variety or another.

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The problem there is that authoritarianism is being evidenced by Democrats and state institutions controlled by Democrats, who are indeed woke cultural Marxists, with whom you are in tactical alliance to destroy political opposition (see above, bold) you cannot defeat with ideas.

Fading establishments typically do perceive the new orders rising to replace them as "the monkeys driving the bus." (an actual phrase used by a McLennan County party leadership just after they lost power by wide margin.) The swing voter in the dynamic like that invariably has to weigh the warts on both sides and ultimately decides the new warts are preferable to the old ones. Remember that as you watch returns from WY tonight, which is going to presage the direction for the next several years. Prepare for a long time in the wilderness howling at the darkness.

Trump is not the new order. He is the crucible thru which one will be formed that will likely not include him. You should think about that while you still have a little wax left on your wick.

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I was thinking about a new conservative order when the neocons were dominant, so I'm used to howling in the wilderness. The problem with the post-Trumpian order is that it's shaping up to be more Trumpian than conservative. You pose a false dilemma between alliance with Marxists and alliance with proto-fascists. I refuse to accept it for reasons that should be obvious to any student of history.

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Ditto I am a student of history, too Thank you Sam

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