Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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There is a reference to docs not being kept in "authorized" location. There would have been a SCIF at MAL.

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Reportedly there was, but it no longer operated as a secure facility after he left office. Without proper access controls, alarms, etc. it wouldn't qualify.

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Yet there were the documents for 18.months and no one cared... Election coming, now it is a National Security risk...

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They escalated their requests over a period of time. If they'd raided him the week after he left office, you'd say it was a political grudge.

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escalated?! June 8th they told him to secure and dont move documents until further notice.. so he didnt, then they reaided to recover things that dont necessarily belong to them. Interesting request to get docs back..

So much still in question yet you maintain your certainty..

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4th and Inches said:

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There is a reference to docs not being kept in "authorized" location. There would have been a SCIF at MAL.
Did the Biden Admin revoke Trumps right of access?

I bet that the issue of "authorization" for Trump is in the redacted portions of the affidavit.

On June 8 they told Trump to Make sure they were secure in the room and dont kove until further notice.

Interested to see the DOJ opinion they return to the judge on the prelim recommendation of appointment of a special master..

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lol

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you need me to explain special master and the fact the court has begun that process or you good?

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Special master is a good idea

RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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There is a reference to docs not being kept in "authorized" location. There would have been a SCIF at MAL.

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Reportedly there was, but it no longer operated as a secure facility after he left office. Without proper access controls, alarms, etc. it wouldn't qualify.

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Yet there were the documents for 18.months and no one cared... Election coming, now it is a National Security risk...

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They escalated their requests over a period of time. If they'd raided him the week after he left office, you'd say it was a political grudge.

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That seems to be the answer to everything.

You really see no connection between what is going on with Trump from Jan 6 Commission to Mar Lago being independent from the mid term elections?

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I've already acknowledged the possibility.

Can you really not see that a valid warrant is a valid warrant even in an election year?

4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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There is a reference to docs not being kept in "authorized" location. There would have been a SCIF at MAL.

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Reportedly there was, but it no longer operated as a secure facility after he left office. Without proper access controls, alarms, etc. it wouldn't qualify.

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Yet there were the documents for 18.months and no one cared... Election coming, now it is a National Security risk...

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They escalated their requests over a period of time. If they'd raided him the week after he left office, you'd say it was a political grudge.

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escalated?! June 8th they told him to secure and dont move documents until further notice.. so he didnt, then they reaided to recover things that dont necessarily belong to them. Interesting request to get docs back..

So much still in question yet you maintain your certainty..

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And that means what? Because they told him not to move the documents, they waived their right to retrieve them? He violated a subpoena.

Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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There is a reference to docs not being kept in "authorized" location. There would have been a SCIF at MAL.

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Reportedly there was, but it no longer operated as a secure facility after he left office. Without proper access controls, alarms, etc. it wouldn't qualify.

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Yet there were the documents for 18.months and no one cared... Election coming, now it is a National Security risk...

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They escalated their requests over a period of time. If they'd raided him the week after he left office, you'd say it was a political grudge.

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escalated?! June 8th they told him to secure and dont move documents until further notice.. so he didnt, then they reaided to recover things that dont necessarily belong to them. Interesting request to get docs back..

So much still in question yet you maintain your certainty..

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And that means what? Because they told him not to move the documents, they waived their right to retrieve them? He violated a subpoena.

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maybe, you would think that an attorney has some knowledge about subpoenas

If the subpoena said hand over all the govt documents yet Trump declared them personal as his right under PRA, they have complied.

This is a multi level records dispute that should have been processed a different way.

They told him to keep them and yelled he didnt send them back.. they used it as a reason to raid

Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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There is a reference to docs not being kept in "authorized" location. There would have been a SCIF at MAL.
Did the Biden Admin revoke Trumps right of access?

I bet that the issue of "authorization" for Trump is in the redacted portions of the affidavit.

On June 8 they told Trump to Make sure they were secure in the room and dont kove until further notice.

Interested to see the DOJ opinion they return to the judge on the prelim recommendation of appointment of a special master..

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lol

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you need me to explain special master and the fact the court has begun that process or you good?

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Special master is a good idea

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on this we can agree..

4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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There is a reference to docs not being kept in "authorized" location. There would have been a SCIF at MAL.

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Reportedly there was, but it no longer operated as a secure facility after he left office. Without proper access controls, alarms, etc. it wouldn't qualify.

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Yet there were the documents for 18.months and no one cared... Election coming, now it is a National Security risk...

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They escalated their requests over a period of time. If they'd raided him the week after he left office, you'd say it was a political grudge.

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escalated?! June 8th they told him to secure and dont move documents until further notice.. so he didnt, then they reaided to recover things that dont necessarily belong to them. Interesting request to get docs back..

So much still in question yet you maintain your certainty..

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And that means what? Because they told him not to move the documents, they waived their right to retrieve them? He violated a subpoena.

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If the subpoena said hand over all the govt documents yet Trump declared them personal as his right under PRA, they have complied.

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That's debatable. In any case the PRA only determines ownership. It has nothing to do with the validity of a subpoena under any other law.

Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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There is a reference to docs not being kept in "authorized" location. There would have been a SCIF at MAL.

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Reportedly there was, but it no longer operated as a secure facility after he left office. Without proper access controls, alarms, etc. it wouldn't qualify.

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Yet there were the documents for 18.months and no one cared... Election coming, now it is a National Security risk...

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They escalated their requests over a period of time. If they'd raided him the week after he left office, you'd say it was a political grudge.

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That seems to be the answer to everything.

You really see no connection between what is going on with Trump from Jan 6 Commission to Mar Lago being independent from the mid term elections?

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I've already acknowledged the possibility.

Can you really not see that a valid warrant is a valid warrant even in an election year?

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Banana Republics issue 'valid' warrants all the time. They execute political opposition 'legally' as well. You are just normalizing corruption and claiming it's virtuous because it targets your political opponents.

Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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There is a reference to docs not being kept in "authorized" location. There would have been a SCIF at MAL.

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Reportedly there was, but it no longer operated as a secure facility after he left office. Without proper access controls, alarms, etc. it wouldn't qualify.

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Yet there were the documents for 18.months and no one cared... Election coming, now it is a National Security risk...

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They escalated their requests over a period of time. If they'd raided him the week after he left office, you'd say it was a political grudge.

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escalated?! June 8th they told him to secure and dont move documents until further notice.. so he didnt, then they reaided to recover things that dont necessarily belong to them. Interesting request to get docs back..

So much still in question yet you maintain your certainty..

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And that means what? Because they told him not to move the documents, they waived their right to retrieve them? He violated a subpoena.

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If the subpoena said hand over all the govt documents yet Trump declared them personal as his right under PRA, they have complied.

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That's debatable. In any case the PRA only determines ownership. It has nothing to do with the validity of a subpoena under any other law.

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I agreed that it is debatable..

The scope of the subpoena is based on wording and practical Interpretation.

Still to much of this could fall on either side

Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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There is a reference to docs not being kept in "authorized" location. There would have been a SCIF at MAL.

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Reportedly there was, but it no longer operated as a secure facility after he left office. Without proper access controls, alarms, etc. it wouldn't qualify.

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Yet there were the documents for 18.months and no one cared... Election coming, now it is a National Security risk...

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They escalated their requests over a period of time. If they'd raided him the week after he left office, you'd say it was a political grudge.

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That seems to be the answer to everything.

You really see no connection between what is going on with Trump from Jan 6 Commission to Mar Lago being independent from the mid term elections?

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I've already acknowledged the possibility.

Can you really not see that a valid warrant is a valid warrant even in an election year?

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A warrant is valid if a judge says ok. Not a high bar. FBI mentions National.Security, not a judge in the Country going to say no. Leak the word nuke?? Geez, who.is going to say no?

Timing is too coincidental for me not to be skeptical. This is all a made for TV election ad. Sorry Sam. Until charged and convicted, it plays more as an election Summer Surprise than a legit legal case.

4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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There is a reference to docs not being kept in "authorized" location. There would have been a SCIF at MAL.
Did the Biden Admin revoke Trumps right of access?

I bet that the issue of "authorization" for Trump is in the redacted portions of the affidavit.

On June 8 they told Trump to Make sure they were secure in the room and dont kove until further notice.

Interested to see the DOJ opinion they return to the judge on the prelim recommendation of appointment of a special master..

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lol

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you need me to explain special master and the fact the court has begun that process or you good?

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Special master is a good idea

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on this we can agree..

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I am with you on Special Master. Needs objectivity.

Golem said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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There is a reference to docs not being kept in "authorized" location. There would have been a SCIF at MAL.

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Reportedly there was, but it no longer operated as a secure facility after he left office. Without proper access controls, alarms, etc. it wouldn't qualify.

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Yet there were the documents for 18.months and no one cared... Election coming, now it is a National Security risk...

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They escalated their requests over a period of time. If they'd raided him the week after he left office, you'd say it was a political grudge.

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That seems to be the answer to everything.

You really see no connection between what is going on with Trump from Jan 6 Commission to Mar Lago being independent from the mid term elections?

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I've already acknowledged the possibility.

Can you really not see that a valid warrant is a valid warrant even in an election year?

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Banana Republics issue 'valid' warrants all the time. They execute political opposition 'legally' as well. You are just normalizing corruption and claiming it's virtuous because it targets your political opponents.

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Absolutely right .

Dems have adopted slash and burn methods and it's producing Banana Republic realities .

And they would never done so if there was any chance of them losing control of the house and senate this November .

Otherwise Republicans would regain control of all the committee chairmanships and it would be Biden and his cronies getting investigated.

RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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There is a reference to docs not being kept in "authorized" location. There would have been a SCIF at MAL.

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Reportedly there was, but it no longer operated as a secure facility after he left office. Without proper access controls, alarms, etc. it wouldn't qualify.

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Yet there were the documents for 18.months and no one cared... Election coming, now it is a National Security risk...

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They escalated their requests over a period of time. If they'd raided him the week after he left office, you'd say it was a political grudge.

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That seems to be the answer to everything.

You really see no connection between what is going on with Trump from Jan 6 Commission to Mar Lago being independent from the mid term elections?

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I've already acknowledged the possibility.

Can you really not see that a valid warrant is a valid warrant even in an election year?

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A warrant is valid if a judge says ok. Not a high bar. FBI mentions National.Security, not a judge in the Country going to say no. Leak the word nuke?? Geez, who.is going to say no?

Timing is too coincidental for me not to be skeptical. This is all a made for TV election ad. Sorry Sam. Until charged and convicted, it plays more as an election Summer Surprise than a legit legal case.

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I share your concerns. But if you want to argue that this was an abuse of process, you need more than just "it's an election year."

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have democracy been restored yet and the overdue library books returned?

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Love it. A guy keeps unsecured classified documents for years and his lovers are likening the situation to overdue library books.

I seem to remember a similar situation involving another politician, what was that chant at Trump rallies? Something about a lock and clouds? Someone else remember?

BTW how is the dismantlement of the FBI going? Have Sean Hannity and Florida Mike gotten the ball rolling yet?

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Tell us more about how the Russia Hoax was real and Hunter Biden's laptop was fake. How that sub, Juicy?

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Lol you guys are such a joke. Hunter Biden is not the get out of jail free card you think it is.

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So you got nothing. You admit everything used to try to 'get' Trump to date is fabricated crap and everything that demonstrates Biden is ACTUALLY corrupt and facilitating pay to play schemes through his son, should be suppressed.

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Hilarious. Are you getting confused between Hunter Biden and Trump, or are you just in denial?

Porteroso said:

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Golem said:

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Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have democracy been restored yet and the overdue library books returned?

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Love it. A guy keeps unsecured classified documents for years and his lovers are likening the situation to overdue library books.

I seem to remember a similar situation involving another politician, what was that chant at Trump rallies? Something about a lock and clouds? Someone else remember?

BTW how is the dismantlement of the FBI going? Have Sean Hannity and Florida Mike gotten the ball rolling yet?

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Tell us more about how the Russia Hoax was real and Hunter Biden's laptop was fake. How that sub, Juicy?

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Lol you guys are such a joke. Hunter Biden is not the get out of jail free card you think it is.

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So you got nothing. You admit everything used to try to 'get' Trump to date is fabricated crap and everything that demonstrates Biden is ACTUALLY corrupt and facilitating pay to play schemes through his son, should be suppressed.

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Hilarious. Are you getting confused between Hunter Biden and Trump, or are you just in denial?

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Thanks for your admission.

Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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There is a reference to docs not being kept in "authorized" location. There would have been a SCIF at MAL.

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Reportedly there was, but it no longer operated as a secure facility after he left office. Without proper access controls, alarms, etc. it wouldn't qualify.

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SCIF means more than just physically secure. It primarily means technically secure. SCIF's are constructed in such a way as to be invulnerable to technical collection - impossible for the implantation of listening devices thru walls, impossible for electrical emanations to escape the SCIF.*

We held all Country Team meetings in SCIFs abroad, as well as others, to include policy deliberations with visiting dignitaries. Just to be sure.

*for example: every electronic device has an electronic signature, and that signature changes when that device is used. A typewriter, for example sends an electric impulse every time a key is struck, and a slightly different impulse for each key. So it is possible (not easy, but possible) to sit in a room across the street from a target office and, with the right equipment, have the messages that person types on their typewriter appear on a screen in front of you, real time. Also possible to collect voice conversations from across the street, by means other than microphones (kind of a long explanation). And that was with 30 year old technology. SCIFs are designed to defeat all such known and theoretical threats from technologies, and those threats proliferate with each new new wave of communications technological advances. The SCIFs I used were built before mobile phones, for example, or laptops. A SCIF today would have, for example to deal with the office wireless network, which would have to be 100% unaccessable from within the SCIF.

Anyway, just having a SCIF onsite is not terribly informative one way or the other.

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4th and Inches said:

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There is a reference to docs not being kept in "authorized" location. There would have been a SCIF at MAL.

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Reportedly there was, but it no longer operated as a secure facility after he left office. Without proper access controls, alarms, etc. it wouldn't qualify.

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Yet there were the documents for 18.months and no one cared... Election coming, now it is a National Security risk...

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Bingo. This is an effort to get Trump on the ballot, which they think will help them in a few battle ground senate races.

Just a casual reminder that when a Republican FBI director announced a criminal investigation of the Democratic nominee 11 days before the 2016 election, not a single Democrat threatened violence, rioting, or civil war.

— Andrea Junker (@Strandjunker) August 29, 2022

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Just a casual reminder that when a Republican FBI director announced a criminal investigation of the Democratic nominee 11 days before the 2016 election, not a single Democrat threatened violence, rioting, or civil war.

— Andrea Junker (@Strandjunker) August 29, 2022

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She apparently has neither a good memory nor a vulva-shaped head covering.

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Just a casual reminder that when a Republican FBI director announced a criminal investigation of the Democratic nominee 11 days before the 2016 election, not a single Democrat threatened violence, rioting, or civil war.

— Andrea Junker (@Strandjunker) August 29, 2022

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you pronouns get triggered over the silliest stuff

They quote Trump from Truth and then write something that makes no sense based on the quote. It would be amusing if it wasnt sad

Somebody at the FBI had a bad monday..

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Just a casual reminder that when a Republican FBI director announced a criminal investigation of the Democratic nominee 11 days before the 2016 election, not a single Democrat threatened violence, rioting, or civil war.

— Andrea Junker (@Strandjunker) August 29, 2022

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How could it be a Republican FBI Director? Wasn't Obama in Office at the time??? I swear Obama met Trump at the White House, did Obama go GOP?

it seems like lifetimes ago, but FBI Directors used to not be partisan posts and served a term so as to not politicize. Obama asked Comey to stay on. He also had a Republican Defense Secretary. Maybe Transportation, too.

Trump of course changed that. Or tried to in the case of the FBI but failed like he mostly does. Wray was his appointment. Biden has kept him in place for the aforementioned reasons.

I think the CIA director was a Trump appointee also. Still in place.

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it seems like lifetimes ago, but FBI Directors used to not be partisan posts and served a term so as to not politicize. Obama asked Comey to stay on. He also had a Republican Defense Secretary. Maybe Transportation, too.

Trump of course changed that. Or tried to in the case of the FBI but failed like he mostly does. Wray was his appointment. Biden has kept him in place for the aforementioned reasons.

I think the CIA director was a Trump appointee also. Still in place.

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Trump kept Comey until Comey proved he couldn't be trusted. Remember "Resist"? It is a 2 way street...

"Trump kept Comey until Comey proved he couldn't be trusted..."

...to protect Trump's interests over the country's.

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"Trump kept Comey until Comey proved he couldn't be trusted..."

...to protect Trump's interests over the country's.

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Yeah, RESIST. It was all Trump...

Golem said:

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Golem said:

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Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Have democracy been restored yet and the overdue library books returned?

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Love it. A guy keeps unsecured classified documents for years and his lovers are likening the situation to overdue library books.

I seem to remember a similar situation involving another politician, what was that chant at Trump rallies? Something about a lock and clouds? Someone else remember?

BTW how is the dismantlement of the FBI going? Have Sean Hannity and Florida Mike gotten the ball rolling yet?

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Tell us more about how the Russia Hoax was real and Hunter Biden's laptop was fake. How that sub, Juicy?

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Lol you guys are such a joke. Hunter Biden is not the get out of jail free card you think it is.

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So you got nothing. You admit everything used to try to 'get' Trump to date is fabricated crap and everything that demonstrates Biden is ACTUALLY corrupt and facilitating pay to play schemes through his son, should be suppressed.

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Hilarious. Are you getting confused between Hunter Biden and Trump, or are you just in denial?

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Thanks for your admission.

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What does that even mean? I'll admit I'm behind on knowing my Sean Hannity talking points. Haven't been reading enough of this forum.

Has democracy been restored and the overdue library books returned yet?

Think about it ... in the last few year the FBI has:
1. Been complicit in launching a Russia-based hoax and attack on a sitting president
2. Actively encouraged suppression of information potentially harmful to a political candidate
3. Launched an unprecedented political stunt raid on a former president to distract from a mid-term election

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Has democracy been restored and the overdue library books returned yet?

Think about it ... in the last few year the FBI has:
1. Been complicit in launching a Russia-based hoax and attack on a sitting president
2. Actively encouraged suppression of information potentially harmful to a political candidate
3. Launched an unprecedented political stunt raid on a former president to distract from a mid-term election

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nah, Sam said Trump was selling secrets to the Saudis while playing the back nine.. and the proof is in the redacted part of the affidavit.

Right?!

And to say nothing of them re-opening an investigation into a candidate 11 days before an election in 2016 and announcing it -- yet not announcing they had already opened one into the other candidate!

Wild.

ScruffyD said:

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Right?!

And to say nothing of them re-opening an investigation into a candidate 11 days before an election in 2016 and announcing it -- yet not announcing they had already opened one into the other candidate!

Wild.

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imagine if we never opened investigations again because there is always an election coming up?!

Both sides are a bunch of finger pointing cry babies and its hillarious!

ScruffyD said:

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Right?!

And to say nothing of them re-opening an investigation into a candidate 11 days before an election in 2016 and announcing it -- yet not announcing they had already opened one into the other candidate!

Wild.

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Gotta ask Obama about that. Maybe Obama didn't like Hillary either, like most of the world...

Again, FBI Directors and Attorneys General are to be independent agencies. They aren't the President's personal law firm or political arm. I know Trump conditioned you otherwise.

The point being made here is the world is just not a fair place. Sometimes it has nothing to do with the need for giving oxygen to grievance politics.

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Again, FBI Directors and Attorneys General are to be independent agencies. They aren't the President's personal law firm or political arm. I know Trump conditioned you otherwise.

The point being made here is the world is just not a fair place. Sometimes it has nothing to do with the need for giving oxygen to grievance politics.

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Not exactly. FBI and DOJ are agencies of the Executive Branch presided over by the POTUS. Their directors serve at the pleasure of the President, with advice and consent of the Senate. In that context, POTUS is the chief law enforcement officer of the country.

There is indeed an inherent conflict of interest at the DOJ. It is simultaneously the chief counsel of the POTUS, representing the interests of the Executive branch in civil and legal actions AS WELL AS the chief prosecutor of federal crimes. A case could be made (and several have over the years) that this structure is a constitutional flaw, that those two functions should not reside in the same agency and we should remove the prosecution role from DOJ and put it into an independent agency dedicated solely to that purpose. That would allow a more partisan approach to the "chief legal counsel" role, which is not entirely inappropriate, while affording a prosecutorial function ostensibly insulated from partisan vicissitudes.

There are pros & cons to that kind of structure. But regardless where one is on such issues, structure itself will not overcome the problem we have today = political corruption. If partisan views predominate in an agency, that agency's actions will reflect that and tension will ensue. Ergo our current problem. The executive suites of career FBI and DOJ officers are overwhelmingly not balanced, on either a partisan or ideological basis.

Yeah, "we dont think Secretary of State Hillary meant to break the laws she broke and don't recommend prosecution."
James comey leaked information to start an investigation into Trump based on lies. Anyone claiming Comey was impartial is a damned fool.