nope, we know they supposedly retrieved documents with classified markings..Sam Lowry said:What do mean they weren't there? We know the FBI retrieved classified documents from the house.4th and Inches said:you Forgot the part where he doesnt have them, NARA does and they werent there when they raided the house.J.B.Katz said:
The question of obstruction was front and center when the affidavit for the federal search warrant to look at former President Donald J. Trump's property was in part made public on Friday.
A statute related to obstruction was among those used to underpin the case for a warrant. Questions have emerged about whether Mr. Trump or his team were obstructing the investigation into additional documents.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/08/26/us/trump-warrant-affidavit
Former President Donald J. Trump took more than 700 pages of classified documents, including some related to the nation's most covert intelligence operations, to his private club and residence in Florida when he left the White House in January 2021, according to a letter that the National Archives sent to his lawyers this year.
The letter, dated May 10 and written to one of Mr. Trump's lawyers by the acting U.S. archivist, Debra Steidel Wall, confirmed that the former president had kept at Mar-a-Lago documents related to Special Access Programs, some of the nation's most closely held secrets, before the F.B.I. searched the property.
Also classified documents markings doesnt mean classified but i degress..
Claim your mental emancipation, learn How to think instead of being told what to think.. its never too late. Both sides are telling you what they want you to know. Dig deeper, one side may be or the other may be right or both sides may be wrong which has been the case so far..
This all circles back to a document dispute under PRA and the president is the decider of most of that..
The affidavit revealed nothing new that wasn't already leaked to the press by our very prestigious and honorable DOJ
Nothing in the documents released on Friday described the precise content of the classified documents or what risk their disclosure might carry for national security, but the court papers did outline the kinds of intelligence found in the secret material, including foreign surveillance collected under court orders, electronic eavesdropping on communications and information from human sources spies.4th and Inches said:nope, we know they supposedly retrieved documents with classified markings..Sam Lowry said:What do mean they weren't there? We know the FBI retrieved classified documents from the house.4th and Inches said:you Forgot the part where he doesnt have them, NARA does and they werent there when they raided the house.J.B.Katz said:
The question of obstruction was front and center when the affidavit for the federal search warrant to look at former President Donald J. Trump's property was in part made public on Friday.
A statute related to obstruction was among those used to underpin the case for a warrant. Questions have emerged about whether Mr. Trump or his team were obstructing the investigation into additional documents.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/08/26/us/trump-warrant-affidavit
Former President Donald J. Trump took more than 700 pages of classified documents, including some related to the nation's most covert intelligence operations, to his private club and residence in Florida when he left the White House in January 2021, according to a letter that the National Archives sent to his lawyers this year.
The letter, dated May 10 and written to one of Mr. Trump's lawyers by the acting U.S. archivist, Debra Steidel Wall, confirmed that the former president had kept at Mar-a-Lago documents related to Special Access Programs, some of the nation's most closely held secrets, before the F.B.I. searched the property.
Also classified documents markings doesnt mean classified but i degress..
Claim your mental emancipation, learn How to think instead of being told what to think.. its never too late. Both sides are telling you what they want you to know. Dig deeper, one side may be or the other may be right or both sides may be wrong which has been the case so far..
This all circles back to a document dispute under PRA and the president is the decider of most of that..
The affidavit revealed nothing new that wasn't already leaked to the press by our very prestigious and honorable DOJ
We also know they have muddied the story by talking about the previously returned boxes and what was in them.
Do try and keep up..
The details contained in a search-warrant affidavit and related memocrystallize much of what was already known about the criminal probe into whether Trump and his aides took secret government papers and did not return all of the material despite repeated demands from senior officials. The documents, though heavily redacted, offer the clearest description to date of the rationale for the unprecedented Aug. 8 search and the high-stakes investigation by the Justice Department into a former president who may run again for the White House.4th and Inches said:nope, we know they supposedly retrieved documents with classified markings..Sam Lowry said:What do mean they weren't there? We know the FBI retrieved classified documents from the house.4th and Inches said:you Forgot the part where he doesnt have them, NARA does and they werent there when they raided the house.J.B.Katz said:
The question of obstruction was front and center when the affidavit for the federal search warrant to look at former President Donald J. Trump's property was in part made public on Friday.
A statute related to obstruction was among those used to underpin the case for a warrant. Questions have emerged about whether Mr. Trump or his team were obstructing the investigation into additional documents.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/08/26/us/trump-warrant-affidavit
Former President Donald J. Trump took more than 700 pages of classified documents, including some related to the nation's most covert intelligence operations, to his private club and residence in Florida when he left the White House in January 2021, according to a letter that the National Archives sent to his lawyers this year.
The letter, dated May 10 and written to one of Mr. Trump's lawyers by the acting U.S. archivist, Debra Steidel Wall, confirmed that the former president had kept at Mar-a-Lago documents related to Special Access Programs, some of the nation's most closely held secrets, before the F.B.I. searched the property.
Also classified documents markings doesnt mean classified but i degress..
Claim your mental emancipation, learn How to think instead of being told what to think.. its never too late. Both sides are telling you what they want you to know. Dig deeper, one side may be or the other may be right or both sides may be wrong which has been the case so far..
This all circles back to a document dispute under PRA and the president is the decider of most of that..
The affidavit revealed nothing new that wasn't already leaked to the press by our very prestigious and honorable DOJ
We also know they have muddied the story by talking about the previously returned boxes and what was in them.
Do try and keep up..
LOL, okay.4th and Inches said:nope, we know they supposedly retrieved documents with classified markings..Sam Lowry said:What do mean they weren't there? We know the FBI retrieved classified documents from the house.4th and Inches said:you Forgot the part where he doesnt have them, NARA does and they werent there when they raided the house.J.B.Katz said:
The question of obstruction was front and center when the affidavit for the federal search warrant to look at former President Donald J. Trump's property was in part made public on Friday.
A statute related to obstruction was among those used to underpin the case for a warrant. Questions have emerged about whether Mr. Trump or his team were obstructing the investigation into additional documents.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/08/26/us/trump-warrant-affidavit
Former President Donald J. Trump took more than 700 pages of classified documents, including some related to the nation's most covert intelligence operations, to his private club and residence in Florida when he left the White House in January 2021, according to a letter that the National Archives sent to his lawyers this year.
The letter, dated May 10 and written to one of Mr. Trump's lawyers by the acting U.S. archivist, Debra Steidel Wall, confirmed that the former president had kept at Mar-a-Lago documents related to Special Access Programs, some of the nation's most closely held secrets, before the F.B.I. searched the property.
Also classified documents markings doesnt mean classified but i degress..
Claim your mental emancipation, learn How to think instead of being told what to think.. its never too late. Both sides are telling you what they want you to know. Dig deeper, one side may be or the other may be right or both sides may be wrong which has been the case so far..
This all circles back to a document dispute under PRA and the president is the decider of most of that..
The affidavit revealed nothing new that wasn't already leaked to the press by our very prestigious and honorable DOJ
We also know they have muddied the story by talking about the previously returned boxes and what was in them.
Do try and keep up..
did you read any of that documented trail or just rely in the media leaks to tell you?C. Jordan said:
No, it isn't this at all.
Now, we have something much more powerful that media leaks.
We have a documented trail of how the government tried to get these documents back and Trump refused to turn them over.
We also have documentation that these were highly sensitive documents that were improperly secured.
I guess you could be a little sad for Trump too, in that his incompetent legal team is made up of Fox News personalities who know not what they do.
you got that from -Moving trucks-?Osodecentx said:The details contained in a search-warrant affidavit and related memocrystallize much of what was already known about the criminal probe into whether Trump and his aides took secret government papers and did not return all of the material despite repeated demands from senior officials. The documents, though heavily redacted, offer the clearest description to date of the rationale for the unprecedented Aug. 8 search and the high-stakes investigation by the Justice Department into a former president who may run again for the White House.4th and Inches said:nope, we know they supposedly retrieved documents with classified markings..Sam Lowry said:What do mean they weren't there? We know the FBI retrieved classified documents from the house.4th and Inches said:you Forgot the part where he doesnt have them, NARA does and they werent there when they raided the house.J.B.Katz said:
The question of obstruction was front and center when the affidavit for the federal search warrant to look at former President Donald J. Trump's property was in part made public on Friday.
A statute related to obstruction was among those used to underpin the case for a warrant. Questions have emerged about whether Mr. Trump or his team were obstructing the investigation into additional documents.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/08/26/us/trump-warrant-affidavit
Former President Donald J. Trump took more than 700 pages of classified documents, including some related to the nation's most covert intelligence operations, to his private club and residence in Florida when he left the White House in January 2021, according to a letter that the National Archives sent to his lawyers this year.
The letter, dated May 10 and written to one of Mr. Trump's lawyers by the acting U.S. archivist, Debra Steidel Wall, confirmed that the former president had kept at Mar-a-Lago documents related to Special Access Programs, some of the nation's most closely held secrets, before the F.B.I. searched the property.
Also classified documents markings doesnt mean classified but i degress..
Claim your mental emancipation, learn How to think instead of being told what to think.. its never too late. Both sides are telling you what they want you to know. Dig deeper, one side may be or the other may be right or both sides may be wrong which has been the case so far..
This all circles back to a document dispute under PRA and the president is the decider of most of that..
The affidavit revealed nothing new that wasn't already leaked to the press by our very prestigious and honorable DOJ
We also know they have muddied the story by talking about the previously returned boxes and what was in them.
Do try and keep up..
The affidavit suggests that if some of the classified documents voluntarily returned from Mar-a-Lago to the National Archives and Records Administration in January had fallen into the wrong hands, they could have revealed sensitive details about human intelligence sources or how spy agencies intercept the electronic communications of foreign targets. Over the spring and summer, the affidavit states, the FBI came to suspect that Trump and his team were hiding the fact that he still had more classified documents at Mar-a-Lago, leading agents to want to conduct a search of the property.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/08/26/trump-affidavit-released/
your first paragraph, by the way, is exactly how one would describe documents with classified markings relating to Crossfire Hurricane.Osodecentx said:Nothing in the documents released on Friday described the precise content of the classified documents or what risk their disclosure might carry for national security, but the court papers did outline the kinds of intelligence found in the secret material, including foreign surveillance collected under court orders, electronic eavesdropping on communications and information from human sources spies.4th and Inches said:nope, we know they supposedly retrieved documents with classified markings..Sam Lowry said:What do mean they weren't there? We know the FBI retrieved classified documents from the house.4th and Inches said:you Forgot the part where he doesnt have them, NARA does and they werent there when they raided the house.J.B.Katz said:
The question of obstruction was front and center when the affidavit for the federal search warrant to look at former President Donald J. Trump's property was in part made public on Friday.
A statute related to obstruction was among those used to underpin the case for a warrant. Questions have emerged about whether Mr. Trump or his team were obstructing the investigation into additional documents.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/08/26/us/trump-warrant-affidavit
Former President Donald J. Trump took more than 700 pages of classified documents, including some related to the nation's most covert intelligence operations, to his private club and residence in Florida when he left the White House in January 2021, according to a letter that the National Archives sent to his lawyers this year.
The letter, dated May 10 and written to one of Mr. Trump's lawyers by the acting U.S. archivist, Debra Steidel Wall, confirmed that the former president had kept at Mar-a-Lago documents related to Special Access Programs, some of the nation's most closely held secrets, before the F.B.I. searched the property.
Also classified documents markings doesnt mean classified but i degress..
Claim your mental emancipation, learn How to think instead of being told what to think.. its never too late. Both sides are telling you what they want you to know. Dig deeper, one side may be or the other may be right or both sides may be wrong which has been the case so far..
This all circles back to a document dispute under PRA and the president is the decider of most of that..
The affidavit revealed nothing new that wasn't already leaked to the press by our very prestigious and honorable DOJ
We also know they have muddied the story by talking about the previously returned boxes and what was in them.
Do try and keep up..
Mr. Trump and his defenders have claimed he declassified the material he took to Mar-a-Lago. But documents retrieved from him in January included some marked "HCS," for Human Intelligence Control System. Such documents have material that could possibly identify C.I.A. informants, meaning a general, sweeping declassification of them would have been, at best, misguided.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/us/politics/trump-affidavit-intelligence-spies.html
1. President Trump lawfully declassified the documents and took a personal copy.
— 🇺🇸 Mike Davis 🇺🇸 (@mrddmia) August 27, 2022
2. Former presidents have federal staff, security clearances, secure offices, and Secret Service protection.
3. Where’s the (political) “damage assessment” for Hillary’s hacked illegal home server? https://t.co/wgdcYRMt42
Golem said:
I'm just waiting for the leftists (and likely homicidal crazies like Sam) to see Trump, once again, didn't break the law. Literally every charge leveled against him has been fake and no personal charges appeared to surface before he was a threat to democrat lunatics (like Sam). The walls are closing in, right? They have been for years. You guys will inevitably be as disappointed as your wives have been your entire marriage.
Trump may have removed classified documents, but that wasn't what the search warrant was about.whiterock said:your first paragraph, by the way, is exactly how one would describe documents with classified markings relating to Crossfire Hurricane.Osodecentx said:Nothing in the documents released on Friday described the precise content of the classified documents or what risk their disclosure might carry for national security, but the court papers did outline the kinds of intelligence found in the secret material, including foreign surveillance collected under court orders, electronic eavesdropping on communications and information from human sources spies.4th and Inches said:nope, we know they supposedly retrieved documents with classified markings..Sam Lowry said:What do mean they weren't there? We know the FBI retrieved classified documents from the house.4th and Inches said:you Forgot the part where he doesnt have them, NARA does and they werent there when they raided the house.J.B.Katz said:
The question of obstruction was front and center when the affidavit for the federal search warrant to look at former President Donald J. Trump's property was in part made public on Friday.
A statute related to obstruction was among those used to underpin the case for a warrant. Questions have emerged about whether Mr. Trump or his team were obstructing the investigation into additional documents.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/08/26/us/trump-warrant-affidavit
Former President Donald J. Trump took more than 700 pages of classified documents, including some related to the nation's most covert intelligence operations, to his private club and residence in Florida when he left the White House in January 2021, according to a letter that the National Archives sent to his lawyers this year.
The letter, dated May 10 and written to one of Mr. Trump's lawyers by the acting U.S. archivist, Debra Steidel Wall, confirmed that the former president had kept at Mar-a-Lago documents related to Special Access Programs, some of the nation's most closely held secrets, before the F.B.I. searched the property.
Also classified documents markings doesnt mean classified but i degress..
Claim your mental emancipation, learn How to think instead of being told what to think.. its never too late. Both sides are telling you what they want you to know. Dig deeper, one side may be or the other may be right or both sides may be wrong which has been the case so far..
This all circles back to a document dispute under PRA and the president is the decider of most of that..
The affidavit revealed nothing new that wasn't already leaked to the press by our very prestigious and honorable DOJ
We also know they have muddied the story by talking about the previously returned boxes and what was in them.
Do try and keep up..
Mr. Trump and his defenders have claimed he declassified the material he took to Mar-a-Lago. But documents retrieved from him in January included some marked "HCS," for Human Intelligence Control System. Such documents have material that could possibly identify C.I.A. informants, meaning a general, sweeping declassification of them would have been, at best, misguided.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/us/politics/trump-affidavit-intelligence-spies.html
and your last paragraph contains words which should be the clue that this is but another hoax: "....sweeping declassification of them would have been, at best, misguided." A "misguided" legal act (declassification) is not an illegal act, something for which voters rather than courts mete out punishment.
Here's the most complete summary of the many problems with the raid, from a source well qualified to address the matter:1. President Trump lawfully declassified the documents and took a personal copy.
— 🇺🇸 Mike Davis 🇺🇸 (@mrddmia) August 27, 2022
2. Former presidents have federal staff, security clearances, secure offices, and Secret Service protection.
3. Where’s the (political) “damage assessment” for Hillary’s hacked illegal home server? https://t.co/wgdcYRMt42
lolOsodecentx said:Trump may have removed classified documents, but that wasn't what the search warrant was about.whiterock said:your first paragraph, by the way, is exactly how one would describe documents with classified markings relating to Crossfire Hurricane.Osodecentx said:Nothing in the documents released on Friday described the precise content of the classified documents or what risk their disclosure might carry for national security, but the court papers did outline the kinds of intelligence found in the secret material, including foreign surveillance collected under court orders, electronic eavesdropping on communications and information from human sources spies.4th and Inches said:nope, we know they supposedly retrieved documents with classified markings..Sam Lowry said:What do mean they weren't there? We know the FBI retrieved classified documents from the house.4th and Inches said:you Forgot the part where he doesnt have them, NARA does and they werent there when they raided the house.J.B.Katz said:
The question of obstruction was front and center when the affidavit for the federal search warrant to look at former President Donald J. Trump's property was in part made public on Friday.
A statute related to obstruction was among those used to underpin the case for a warrant. Questions have emerged about whether Mr. Trump or his team were obstructing the investigation into additional documents.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/08/26/us/trump-warrant-affidavit
Former President Donald J. Trump took more than 700 pages of classified documents, including some related to the nation's most covert intelligence operations, to his private club and residence in Florida when he left the White House in January 2021, according to a letter that the National Archives sent to his lawyers this year.
The letter, dated May 10 and written to one of Mr. Trump's lawyers by the acting U.S. archivist, Debra Steidel Wall, confirmed that the former president had kept at Mar-a-Lago documents related to Special Access Programs, some of the nation's most closely held secrets, before the F.B.I. searched the property.
Also classified documents markings doesnt mean classified but i degress..
Claim your mental emancipation, learn How to think instead of being told what to think.. its never too late. Both sides are telling you what they want you to know. Dig deeper, one side may be or the other may be right or both sides may be wrong which has been the case so far..
This all circles back to a document dispute under PRA and the president is the decider of most of that..
The affidavit revealed nothing new that wasn't already leaked to the press by our very prestigious and honorable DOJ
We also know they have muddied the story by talking about the previously returned boxes and what was in them.
Do try and keep up..
Mr. Trump and his defenders have claimed he declassified the material he took to Mar-a-Lago. But documents retrieved from him in January included some marked "HCS," for Human Intelligence Control System. Such documents have material that could possibly identify C.I.A. informants, meaning a general, sweeping declassification of them would have been, at best, misguided.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/us/politics/trump-affidavit-intelligence-spies.html
and your last paragraph contains words which should be the clue that this is but another hoax: "....sweeping declassification of them would have been, at best, misguided." A "misguided" legal act (declassification) is not an illegal act, something for which voters rather than courts mete out punishment.
Here's the most complete summary of the many problems with the raid, from a source well qualified to address the matter:1. President Trump lawfully declassified the documents and took a personal copy.
— 🇺🇸 Mike Davis 🇺🇸 (@mrddmia) August 27, 2022
2. Former presidents have federal staff, security clearances, secure offices, and Secret Service protection.
3. Where’s the (political) “damage assessment” for Hillary’s hacked illegal home server? https://t.co/wgdcYRMt42
The claim is irrelevant to Mr. Trump's potential troubles over the document matter, because none of the three criminal laws cited in a search warrant as the basis of the investigation depend on whether documents contain classified information.
Days after the search, Mr. Trump's office claimed that when he was president, he had a "standing order" that materials "removed from the Oval Office and taken to the residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them," according to a statement read on Fox News by a right-wing writer Mr. Trump has designated as one of his representatives to the National Archives.
Apart from whether there is any evidence that such an order actually existed, the notion has been greeted with disdain by national security legal specialists. Glenn S. Gerstell, the top lawyer for the National Security Agency from 2015 to 2020, said the idea that whatever Mr. Trump happened to take upstairs each evening automatically became declassified without logging what it was and notifying the agencies that used that information was "preposterous."
The claim is also irrelevant to Mr. Trump's potential troubles over the document matter, because none of the three criminal laws cited in a search warrant as the basis of the investigation depend on whether documents contain classified information.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/14/us/politics/trump-classified-documents.html
That depends on why he did it. At best it would have been misguided. At worst it could have been to further the crimes alleged in the warrant.whiterock said:and your last paragraph contains words which should be the clue that this is but another hoax: "....sweeping declassification of them would have been, at best, misguided." A "misguided" legal act (declassification) is not an illegal act, something for which voters rather than courts mete out punishment.Osodecentx said:Nothing in the documents released on Friday described the precise content of the classified documents or what risk their disclosure might carry for national security, but the court papers did outline the kinds of intelligence found in the secret material, including foreign surveillance collected under court orders, electronic eavesdropping on communications and information from human sources spies.4th and Inches said:nope, we know they supposedly retrieved documents with classified markings..Sam Lowry said:What do mean they weren't there? We know the FBI retrieved classified documents from the house.4th and Inches said:you Forgot the part where he doesnt have them, NARA does and they werent there when they raided the house.J.B.Katz said:
The question of obstruction was front and center when the affidavit for the federal search warrant to look at former President Donald J. Trump's property was in part made public on Friday.
A statute related to obstruction was among those used to underpin the case for a warrant. Questions have emerged about whether Mr. Trump or his team were obstructing the investigation into additional documents.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/08/26/us/trump-warrant-affidavit
Former President Donald J. Trump took more than 700 pages of classified documents, including some related to the nation's most covert intelligence operations, to his private club and residence in Florida when he left the White House in January 2021, according to a letter that the National Archives sent to his lawyers this year.
The letter, dated May 10 and written to one of Mr. Trump's lawyers by the acting U.S. archivist, Debra Steidel Wall, confirmed that the former president had kept at Mar-a-Lago documents related to Special Access Programs, some of the nation's most closely held secrets, before the F.B.I. searched the property.
Also classified documents markings doesnt mean classified but i degress..
Claim your mental emancipation, learn How to think instead of being told what to think.. its never too late. Both sides are telling you what they want you to know. Dig deeper, one side may be or the other may be right or both sides may be wrong which has been the case so far..
This all circles back to a document dispute under PRA and the president is the decider of most of that..
The affidavit revealed nothing new that wasn't already leaked to the press by our very prestigious and honorable DOJ
We also know they have muddied the story by talking about the previously returned boxes and what was in them.
Do try and keep up..
Mr. Trump and his defenders have claimed he declassified the material he took to Mar-a-Lago. But documents retrieved from him in January included some marked "HCS," for Human Intelligence Control System. Such documents have material that could possibly identify C.I.A. informants, meaning a general, sweeping declassification of them would have been, at best, misguided.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/us/politics/trump-affidavit-intelligence-spies.html
Sam Lowry said:That depends on why he did it. At best it would have been misguided. At worst it could have been to further the crimes alleged in the warrant.whiterock said:and your last paragraph contains words which should be the clue that this is but another hoax: "....sweeping declassification of them would have been, at best, misguided." A "misguided" legal act (declassification) is not an illegal act, something for which voters rather than courts mete out punishment.Osodecentx said:Nothing in the documents released on Friday described the precise content of the classified documents or what risk their disclosure might carry for national security, but the court papers did outline the kinds of intelligence found in the secret material, including foreign surveillance collected under court orders, electronic eavesdropping on communications and information from human sources spies.4th and Inches said:nope, we know they supposedly retrieved documents with classified markings..Sam Lowry said:What do mean they weren't there? We know the FBI retrieved classified documents from the house.4th and Inches said:you Forgot the part where he doesnt have them, NARA does and they werent there when they raided the house.J.B.Katz said:
The question of obstruction was front and center when the affidavit for the federal search warrant to look at former President Donald J. Trump's property was in part made public on Friday.
A statute related to obstruction was among those used to underpin the case for a warrant. Questions have emerged about whether Mr. Trump or his team were obstructing the investigation into additional documents.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/08/26/us/trump-warrant-affidavit
Former President Donald J. Trump took more than 700 pages of classified documents, including some related to the nation's most covert intelligence operations, to his private club and residence in Florida when he left the White House in January 2021, according to a letter that the National Archives sent to his lawyers this year.
The letter, dated May 10 and written to one of Mr. Trump's lawyers by the acting U.S. archivist, Debra Steidel Wall, confirmed that the former president had kept at Mar-a-Lago documents related to Special Access Programs, some of the nation's most closely held secrets, before the F.B.I. searched the property.
Also classified documents markings doesnt mean classified but i degress..
Claim your mental emancipation, learn How to think instead of being told what to think.. its never too late. Both sides are telling you what they want you to know. Dig deeper, one side may be or the other may be right or both sides may be wrong which has been the case so far..
This all circles back to a document dispute under PRA and the president is the decider of most of that..
The affidavit revealed nothing new that wasn't already leaked to the press by our very prestigious and honorable DOJ
We also know they have muddied the story by talking about the previously returned boxes and what was in them.
Do try and keep up..
Mr. Trump and his defenders have claimed he declassified the material he took to Mar-a-Lago. But documents retrieved from him in January included some marked "HCS," for Human Intelligence Control System. Such documents have material that could possibly identify C.I.A. informants, meaning a general, sweeping declassification of them would have been, at best, misguided.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/us/politics/trump-affidavit-intelligence-spies.html
whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:That depends on why he did it. At best it would have been misguided. At worst it could have been to further the crimes alleged in the warrant.whiterock said:and your last paragraph contains words which should be the clue that this is but another hoax: "....sweeping declassification of them would have been, at best, misguided." A "misguided" legal act (declassification) is not an illegal act, something for which voters rather than courts mete out punishment.Osodecentx said:Nothing in the documents released on Friday described the precise content of the classified documents or what risk their disclosure might carry for national security, but the court papers did outline the kinds of intelligence found in the secret material, including foreign surveillance collected under court orders, electronic eavesdropping on communications and information from human sources spies.4th and Inches said:nope, we know they supposedly retrieved documents with classified markings..Sam Lowry said:What do mean they weren't there? We know the FBI retrieved classified documents from the house.4th and Inches said:you Forgot the part where he doesnt have them, NARA does and they werent there when they raided the house.J.B.Katz said:
The question of obstruction was front and center when the affidavit for the federal search warrant to look at former President Donald J. Trump's property was in part made public on Friday.
A statute related to obstruction was among those used to underpin the case for a warrant. Questions have emerged about whether Mr. Trump or his team were obstructing the investigation into additional documents.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/08/26/us/trump-warrant-affidavit
Former President Donald J. Trump took more than 700 pages of classified documents, including some related to the nation's most covert intelligence operations, to his private club and residence in Florida when he left the White House in January 2021, according to a letter that the National Archives sent to his lawyers this year.
The letter, dated May 10 and written to one of Mr. Trump's lawyers by the acting U.S. archivist, Debra Steidel Wall, confirmed that the former president had kept at Mar-a-Lago documents related to Special Access Programs, some of the nation's most closely held secrets, before the F.B.I. searched the property.
Also classified documents markings doesnt mean classified but i degress..
Claim your mental emancipation, learn How to think instead of being told what to think.. its never too late. Both sides are telling you what they want you to know. Dig deeper, one side may be or the other may be right or both sides may be wrong which has been the case so far..
This all circles back to a document dispute under PRA and the president is the decider of most of that..
The affidavit revealed nothing new that wasn't already leaked to the press by our very prestigious and honorable DOJ
We also know they have muddied the story by talking about the previously returned boxes and what was in them.
Do try and keep up..
Mr. Trump and his defenders have claimed he declassified the material he took to Mar-a-Lago. But documents retrieved from him in January included some marked "HCS," for Human Intelligence Control System. Such documents have material that could possibly identify C.I.A. informants, meaning a general, sweeping declassification of them would have been, at best, misguided.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/us/politics/trump-affidavit-intelligence-spies.html
So….now….it's no longer about proper archival of government records.
Or possession of classified documents.
Or nuclear secrets.
Or documents with classification markings.
Or proper storage of any of the above.
It's about…..espionage?
About passing state secrets to foreign governments?
Are you serious?
Can you not see that you are being led into derangement?
What's in the warrant hasn't changed. That's usually a good place to start.whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:That depends on why he did it. At best it would have been misguided. At worst it could have been to further the crimes alleged in the warrant.whiterock said:and your last paragraph contains words which should be the clue that this is but another hoax: "....sweeping declassification of them would have been, at best, misguided." A "misguided" legal act (declassification) is not an illegal act, something for which voters rather than courts mete out punishment.Osodecentx said:Nothing in the documents released on Friday described the precise content of the classified documents or what risk their disclosure might carry for national security, but the court papers did outline the kinds of intelligence found in the secret material, including foreign surveillance collected under court orders, electronic eavesdropping on communications and information from human sources spies.4th and Inches said:nope, we know they supposedly retrieved documents with classified markings..Sam Lowry said:What do mean they weren't there? We know the FBI retrieved classified documents from the house.4th and Inches said:you Forgot the part where he doesnt have them, NARA does and they werent there when they raided the house.J.B.Katz said:
The question of obstruction was front and center when the affidavit for the federal search warrant to look at former President Donald J. Trump's property was in part made public on Friday.
A statute related to obstruction was among those used to underpin the case for a warrant. Questions have emerged about whether Mr. Trump or his team were obstructing the investigation into additional documents.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/08/26/us/trump-warrant-affidavit
Former President Donald J. Trump took more than 700 pages of classified documents, including some related to the nation's most covert intelligence operations, to his private club and residence in Florida when he left the White House in January 2021, according to a letter that the National Archives sent to his lawyers this year.
The letter, dated May 10 and written to one of Mr. Trump's lawyers by the acting U.S. archivist, Debra Steidel Wall, confirmed that the former president had kept at Mar-a-Lago documents related to Special Access Programs, some of the nation's most closely held secrets, before the F.B.I. searched the property.
Also classified documents markings doesnt mean classified but i degress..
Claim your mental emancipation, learn How to think instead of being told what to think.. its never too late. Both sides are telling you what they want you to know. Dig deeper, one side may be or the other may be right or both sides may be wrong which has been the case so far..
This all circles back to a document dispute under PRA and the president is the decider of most of that..
The affidavit revealed nothing new that wasn't already leaked to the press by our very prestigious and honorable DOJ
We also know they have muddied the story by talking about the previously returned boxes and what was in them.
Do try and keep up..
Mr. Trump and his defenders have claimed he declassified the material he took to Mar-a-Lago. But documents retrieved from him in January included some marked "HCS," for Human Intelligence Control System. Such documents have material that could possibly identify C.I.A. informants, meaning a general, sweeping declassification of them would have been, at best, misguided.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/us/politics/trump-affidavit-intelligence-spies.html
So….now….it's no longer about proper archival of government records.
Or possession of classified documents.
Or nuclear secrets.
Or documents with classification markings.
Or proper storage of any of the above.
It's about…..espionage?
About passing state secrets to foreign governments?
Are you serious?
Can you not see that you are being led into derangement?
Harrison Bergeron said:
Have democracy been restored yet and the overdue library books returned?
Porteroso said:Harrison Bergeron said:
Have democracy been restored yet and the overdue library books returned?
Love it. A guy keeps unsecured classified documents for years and his lovers are likening the situation to overdue library books.
I seem to remember a similar situation involving another politician, what was that chant at Trump rallies? Something about a lock and clouds? Someone else remember?
BTW how is the dismantlement of the FBI going? Have Sean Hannity and Florida Mike gotten the ball rolling yet?
Reportedly there was, but it no longer operated as a secure facility after he left office. Without proper access controls, alarms, etc. it wouldn't qualify.4th and Inches said:
There is a reference to docs not being kept in "authorized" location. There would have been a SCIF at MAL.
Harrison Bergeron said:Porteroso said:Harrison Bergeron said:
Have democracy been restored yet and the overdue library books returned?
Love it. A guy keeps unsecured classified documents for years and his lovers are likening the situation to overdue library books.
I seem to remember a similar situation involving another politician, what was that chant at Trump rallies? Something about a lock and clouds? Someone else remember?
BTW how is the dismantlement of the FBI going? Have Sean Hannity and Florida Mike gotten the ball rolling yet?
Tell us more about how the Russia Hoax was real and Hunter Biden's laptop was fake. How that sub, Juicy?
Sam Lowry said:What's in the warrant hasn't changed. That's usually a good place to start.whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:That depends on why he did it. At best it would have been misguided. At worst it could have been to further the crimes alleged in the warrant.whiterock said:and your last paragraph contains words which should be the clue that this is but another hoax: "....sweeping declassification of them would have been, at best, misguided." A "misguided" legal act (declassification) is not an illegal act, something for which voters rather than courts mete out punishment.Osodecentx said:Nothing in the documents released on Friday described the precise content of the classified documents or what risk their disclosure might carry for national security, but the court papers did outline the kinds of intelligence found in the secret material, including foreign surveillance collected under court orders, electronic eavesdropping on communications and information from human sources spies.4th and Inches said:nope, we know they supposedly retrieved documents with classified markings..Sam Lowry said:What do mean they weren't there? We know the FBI retrieved classified documents from the house.4th and Inches said:you Forgot the part where he doesnt have them, NARA does and they werent there when they raided the house.J.B.Katz said:
The question of obstruction was front and center when the affidavit for the federal search warrant to look at former President Donald J. Trump's property was in part made public on Friday.
A statute related to obstruction was among those used to underpin the case for a warrant. Questions have emerged about whether Mr. Trump or his team were obstructing the investigation into additional documents.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/08/26/us/trump-warrant-affidavit
Former President Donald J. Trump took more than 700 pages of classified documents, including some related to the nation's most covert intelligence operations, to his private club and residence in Florida when he left the White House in January 2021, according to a letter that the National Archives sent to his lawyers this year.
The letter, dated May 10 and written to one of Mr. Trump's lawyers by the acting U.S. archivist, Debra Steidel Wall, confirmed that the former president had kept at Mar-a-Lago documents related to Special Access Programs, some of the nation's most closely held secrets, before the F.B.I. searched the property.
Also classified documents markings doesnt mean classified but i degress..
Claim your mental emancipation, learn How to think instead of being told what to think.. its never too late. Both sides are telling you what they want you to know. Dig deeper, one side may be or the other may be right or both sides may be wrong which has been the case so far..
This all circles back to a document dispute under PRA and the president is the decider of most of that..
The affidavit revealed nothing new that wasn't already leaked to the press by our very prestigious and honorable DOJ
We also know they have muddied the story by talking about the previously returned boxes and what was in them.
Do try and keep up..
Mr. Trump and his defenders have claimed he declassified the material he took to Mar-a-Lago. But documents retrieved from him in January included some marked "HCS," for Human Intelligence Control System. Such documents have material that could possibly identify C.I.A. informants, meaning a general, sweeping declassification of them would have been, at best, misguided.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/us/politics/trump-affidavit-intelligence-spies.html
So….now….it's no longer about proper archival of government records.
Or possession of classified documents.
Or nuclear secrets.
Or documents with classification markings.
Or proper storage of any of the above.
It's about…..espionage?
About passing state secrets to foreign governments?
Are you serious?
Can you not see that you are being led into derangement?
Porteroso said:Harrison Bergeron said:Porteroso said:Harrison Bergeron said:
Have democracy been restored yet and the overdue library books returned?
Love it. A guy keeps unsecured classified documents for years and his lovers are likening the situation to overdue library books.
I seem to remember a similar situation involving another politician, what was that chant at Trump rallies? Something about a lock and clouds? Someone else remember?
BTW how is the dismantlement of the FBI going? Have Sean Hannity and Florida Mike gotten the ball rolling yet?
Tell us more about how the Russia Hoax was real and Hunter Biden's laptop was fake. How that sub, Juicy?
Lol you guys are such a joke. Hunter Biden is not the get out of jail free card you think it is.
4th and Inches said:
There is a reference to docs not being kept in "authorized" location. There would have been a SCIF at MAL.
Did the Biden Admin revoke Trumps right of access?
I bet that the issue of "authorization" for Trump is in the redacted portions of the affidavit.
On June 8 they told Trump to Make sure they were secure in the room and dont kove until further notice.
Interested to see the DOJ opinion they return to the judge on the prelim recommendation of appointment of a special master..
Sam Lowry said:Reportedly there was, but it no longer operated as a secure facility after he left office. Without proper access controls, alarms, etc. it wouldn't qualify.4th and Inches said:
There is a reference to docs not being kept in "authorized" location. There would have been a SCIF at MAL.
Porteroso said:Harrison Bergeron said:Porteroso said:Harrison Bergeron said:
Have democracy been restored yet and the overdue library books returned?
Love it. A guy keeps unsecured classified documents for years and his lovers are likening the situation to overdue library books.
I seem to remember a similar situation involving another politician, what was that chant at Trump rallies? Something about a lock and clouds? Someone else remember?
BTW how is the dismantlement of the FBI going? Have Sean Hannity and Florida Mike gotten the ball rolling yet?
Tell us more about how the Russia Hoax was real and Hunter Biden's laptop was fake. How that sub, Juicy?
Lol you guys are such a joke. Hunter Biden is not the get out of jail free card you think it is.
They escalated their requests over a period of time. If they'd raided him the week after he left office, you'd say it was a political grudge.RMF5630 said:Sam Lowry said:Reportedly there was, but it no longer operated as a secure facility after he left office. Without proper access controls, alarms, etc. it wouldn't qualify.4th and Inches said:
There is a reference to docs not being kept in "authorized" location. There would have been a SCIF at MAL.
Yet there were the documents for 18.months and no one cared... Election coming, now it is a National Security risk...
you need me to explain special master and the fact the court has begun that process or you good?Osodecentx said:4th and Inches said:
There is a reference to docs not being kept in "authorized" location. There would have been a SCIF at MAL.
Did the Biden Admin revoke Trumps right of access?
I bet that the issue of "authorization" for Trump is in the redacted portions of the affidavit.
On June 8 they told Trump to Make sure they were secure in the room and dont kove until further notice.
Interested to see the DOJ opinion they return to the judge on the prelim recommendation of appointment of a special master..
lol
Sam Lowry said:They escalated their requests over a period of time. If they'd raided him the week after he left office, you'd say it was a political grudge.RMF5630 said:Sam Lowry said:Reportedly there was, but it no longer operated as a secure facility after he left office. Without proper access controls, alarms, etc. it wouldn't qualify.4th and Inches said:
There is a reference to docs not being kept in "authorized" location. There would have been a SCIF at MAL.
Yet there were the documents for 18.months and no one cared... Election coming, now it is a National Security risk...