LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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quash said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TexasScientist said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TexasScientist said:

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It's funny how the religious minded often have the most trouble recognizing harm and distinguishing right from wrong i.e. Ginni and Clarence Thomas, Jim Baker, Catholic Clergy, Southern Baptist administration, Jerry Falwell, Jr., many posters on this board etc.

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Cool story bro!

You do realize that Christians are not to worshipClarence Thomas, Jim Baker, Jerry Falwell et al ? You speaking to the failures of men does nothing but support what scripture tells us. Should I take this as an indicator that you are returning to the Christian faith?

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I realize most Christians don't worship them. They're just prominent examples that Christians have trouble recognizing harm and distinguishing right from wrong. Scripture is written by primitive people who had the same problem.

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The world of antiquity was only primitive in the sense that it didn't particularly value forgiveness or compassion. Christianity changed that. You have most of your ideas about right and wrong because you were able to borrow them from religion.

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Ideas about right and wrong influenced religion from its manufacture date.

The moral arc continues to bend toward justice, often well ahead of religion.

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The arrogance of religion is "I created my understanding of God in this place and time and culture; therefore, it applies to all humanity."
Religion continues to try and thwart science, freedom, justice and its own goals of compassion and love.
Pollical power is at stake in religion and it subverts its own goodness to that power.

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Are you so blind that you don't see that first sentence applying to yourself? At the very least, we are to use scripture and some introspection to adjust our attitudes and behaviors. You, on the other hand, treat scripture like a Chinese menu-ordering what you want and disregarding everything you disagree with.

Arrogance is a hell of a drug

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Are you so blind you refuse to consider your arrogance.
I know my white, USA, Christian arrogance. Are you aware?

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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quash said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TexasScientist said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TexasScientist said:

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It's funny how the religious minded often have the most trouble recognizing harm and distinguishing right from wrong i.e. Ginni and Clarence Thomas, Jim Baker, Catholic Clergy, Southern Baptist administration, Jerry Falwell, Jr., many posters on this board etc.

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Cool story bro!

You do realize that Christians are not to worshipClarence Thomas, Jim Baker, Jerry Falwell et al ? You speaking to the failures of men does nothing but support what scripture tells us. Should I take this as an indicator that you are returning to the Christian faith?

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I realize most Christians don't worship them. They're just prominent examples that Christians have trouble recognizing harm and distinguishing right from wrong. Scripture is written by primitive people who had the same problem.

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The world of antiquity was only primitive in the sense that it didn't particularly value forgiveness or compassion. Christianity changed that. You have most of your ideas about right and wrong because you were able to borrow them from religion.

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Ideas about right and wrong influenced religion from its manufacture date.

The moral arc continues to bend toward justice, often well ahead of religion.

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The arrogance of religion is "I created my understanding of God in this place and time and culture; therefore, it applies to all humanity."
Religion continues to try and thwart science, freedom, justice and its own goals of compassion and love.
Pollical power is at stake in religion and it subverts its own goodness to that power.

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Are you so blind that you don't see that first sentence applying to yourself? At the very least, we are to use scripture and some introspection to adjust our attitudes and behaviors. You, on the other hand, treat scripture like a Chinese menu-ordering what you want and disregarding everything you disagree with.

Arrogance is a hell of a drug

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"I created my understanding of God in this place and time and culture; therefore, it applies to all humanity." This is arrogance pure and simple and for whatever reason you think your accident birth in western culture is superior. You simply showed up here not africa or asia

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Scripture is scripture regardless of the language of the translation.

China has the underground church and doesn't use your Chinese menu reading tactics.

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True scripture is scripture but languages matter. They are culturally shaped. But you ignore the truth of my statement. Here is the shorter version you pick your parents while you were in heaven.

Waco: "you pick your parents while you were in heaven."


Waco, where is that in Scripture? I don't recall ever seeing anything like that.

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Waco: "you pick your parents while you were in heaven."


Waco, where is that in Scripture? I don't recall ever seeing anything like that.

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please do nt show your ignorance. Read my n context.

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Waco: "you pick your parents while you were in heaven."


Waco, where is that in Scripture? I don't recall ever seeing anything like that.

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please do nt show your ignorance. Read my n context.

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Now you are just being rude, Waco.

And, it seems, pretending you are God.

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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quash said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TexasScientist said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TexasScientist said:

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It's funny how the religious minded often have the most trouble recognizing harm and distinguishing right from wrong i.e. Ginni and Clarence Thomas, Jim Baker, Catholic Clergy, Southern Baptist administration, Jerry Falwell, Jr., many posters on this board etc.

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Cool story bro!

You do realize that Christians are not to worshipClarence Thomas, Jim Baker, Jerry Falwell et al ? You speaking to the failures of men does nothing but support what scripture tells us. Should I take this as an indicator that you are returning to the Christian faith?

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I realize most Christians don't worship them. They're just prominent examples that Christians have trouble recognizing harm and distinguishing right from wrong. Scripture is written by primitive people who had the same problem.

---

The world of antiquity was only primitive in the sense that it didn't particularly value forgiveness or compassion. Christianity changed that. You have most of your ideas about right and wrong because you were able to borrow them from religion.

---

Ideas about right and wrong influenced religion from its manufacture date.

The moral arc continues to bend toward justice, often well ahead of religion.

---

The arrogance of religion is "I created my understanding of God in this place and time and culture; therefore, it applies to all humanity."
Religion continues to try and thwart science, freedom, justice and its own goals of compassion and love.
Pollical power is at stake in religion and it subverts its own goodness to that power.

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Are you so blind that you don't see that first sentence applying to yourself? At the very least, we are to use scripture and some introspection to adjust our attitudes and behaviors. You, on the other hand, treat scripture like a Chinese menu-ordering what you want and disregarding everything you disagree with.

Arrogance is a hell of a drug

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Are you so blind you refuse to consider your arrogance.
I know my white, USA, Christian arrogance. Are you aware?

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you mean my arrogance that I'm a sinner? I do that

That I'm selfish? I do that.

That I'm not always as thankful for what I've been provided as I should be? I do that

That just because someone else has different sins than I do I'm not of more value than they? I do that

That sometimes I am my own god? I do that

That I don't face the same challenges as other and yet still manage to fall short? I do that

What am I leaving out, something from column 1, column 2 or the egg roll?

Waco1947 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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quash said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TexasScientist said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TexasScientist said:

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It's funny how the religious minded often have the most trouble recognizing harm and distinguishing right from wrong i.e. Ginni and Clarence Thomas, Jim Baker, Catholic Clergy, Southern Baptist administration, Jerry Falwell, Jr., many posters on this board etc.

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Cool story bro!

You do realize that Christians are not to worshipClarence Thomas, Jim Baker, Jerry Falwell et al ? You speaking to the failures of men does nothing but support what scripture tells us. Should I take this as an indicator that you are returning to the Christian faith?

---

I realize most Christians don't worship them. They're just prominent examples that Christians have trouble recognizing harm and distinguishing right from wrong. Scripture is written by primitive people who had the same problem.

---

The world of antiquity was only primitive in the sense that it didn't particularly value forgiveness or compassion. Christianity changed that. You have most of your ideas about right and wrong because you were able to borrow them from religion.

---

Ideas about right and wrong influenced religion from its manufacture date.

The moral arc continues to bend toward justice, often well ahead of religion.

---

The arrogance of religion is "I created my understanding of God in this place and time and culture; therefore, it applies to all humanity."
Religion continues to try and thwart science, freedom, justice and its own goals of compassion and love.
Pollical power is at stake in religion and it subverts its own goodness to that power.

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Are you so blind that you don't see that first sentence applying to yourself? At the very least, we are to use scripture and some introspection to adjust our attitudes and behaviors. You, on the other hand, treat scripture like a Chinese menu-ordering what you want and disregarding everything you disagree with.

Arrogance is a hell of a drug

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"I created my understanding of God in this place and time and culture; therefore, it applies to all humanity." This is arrogance pure and simple and for whatever reason you think your accident birth in western culture is superior. You simply showed up here not africa or asia

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Scripture is scripture regardless of the language of the translation.

China has the underground church and doesn't use your Chinese menu reading tactics.

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True scripture is scripture but languages matter. They are culturally shaped. But you ignore the truth of my statement. Here is the shorter version you pick your parents while you were in heaven.

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Please explain or put the bottle down.

Sam Lowry said:

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TexasScientist said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TexasScientist said:

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It's funny how the religious minded often have the most trouble recognizing harm and distinguishing right from wrong i.e. Ginni and Clarence Thomas, Jim Baker, Catholic Clergy, Southern Baptist administration, Jerry Falwell, Jr., many posters on this board etc.

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Cool story bro!

You do realize that Christians are not to worshipClarence Thomas, Jim Baker, Jerry Falwell et al ? You speaking to the failures of men does nothing but support what scripture tells us. Should I take this as an indicator that you are returning to the Christian faith?

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I realize most Christians don't worship them. They're just prominent examples that Christians have trouble recognizing harm and distinguishing right from wrong. Scripture is written by primitive people who had the same problem.

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The world of antiquity was only primitive in the sense that it didn't particularly value forgiveness or compassion. Christianity changed that. You have most of your ideas about right and wrong because you were able to borrow them from religion.

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The notion of right and wrong came from humans trying to sort out justice and equity. Religion probably, at least in part, grew out of that notion. Hammurabi code was around way before Judaism and Christianity. Christianity gives lip service to forgiveness and compassion from one side of the mouth. Paul's version of Christianity is quite different from Peter's or even Jesus'.

" Paul's version of Christianity is quite different from Peter's or even Jesus'."

Show me you don't know much Scripture or Theology, without saying you ignore Scripture and Theology.

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LIB: you mean my arrogance that I'm a sinner? I do that Me, too

That I'm selfish? I do that.Me too

That I'm not always as thankful for what I've been provided as I should be? I do that Me, too

That just because someone else has different sins than I do I'm not of more value than they? I do that Me, too

That sometimes I am my own god? I do that Me, too

That I don't face the same challenges as other and yet still manage to fall short? I do that Me, too

What am I leaving out, something from column 1, column 2 or the egg roll?

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You did not admit this arrogance "Are you so blind you refuse to consider your arrogance.
that I know that I am my white, USA born, and have (had) Christian arrogance. Are you aware?"

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LIB: you mean my arrogance that I'm a sinner? I do that Me, too

That I'm selfish? I do that.Me too

That I'm not always as thankful for what I've been provided as I should be? I do that Me, too

That just because someone else has different sins than I do I'm not of more value than they? I do that Me, too

That sometimes I am my own god? I do that Me, too

That I don't face the same challenges as other and yet still manage to fall short? I do that Me, too

What am I leaving out, something from column 1, column 2 or the egg roll?

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You did not admit this arrogance "Are you so blind you refuse to consider your arrogance.
that I know that I am my white, USA born, and have (had) Christian arrogance. Are you aware?"

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Waco, it may come as a shock to you, that

1) Something you personally consider wrong, may not actually be wrong, and


2) Even if I agree with you that a particular act or behavior is wrong, it does not mean that someone else is guilty of it

You do a poor imitation of Christ. You look a lot more you are mocking Christ when you do that, and that does not help you in any way.

You may define arrogance differently than I. What is your definition?

TexasScientist said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TexasScientist said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TexasScientist said:

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It's funny how the religious minded often have the most trouble recognizing harm and distinguishing right from wrong i.e. Ginni and Clarence Thomas, Jim Baker, Catholic Clergy, Southern Baptist administration, Jerry Falwell, Jr., many posters on this board etc.

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Cool story bro!

You do realize that Christians are not to worshipClarence Thomas, Jim Baker, Jerry Falwell et al ? You speaking to the failures of men does nothing but support what scripture tells us. Should I take this as an indicator that you are returning to the Christian faith?

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I realize most Christians don't worship them. They're just prominent examples that Christians have trouble recognizing harm and distinguishing right from wrong. Scripture is written by primitive people who had the same problem.

---

The world of antiquity was only primitive in the sense that it didn't particularly value forgiveness or compassion. Christianity changed that. You have most of your ideas about right and wrong because you were able to borrow them from religion.

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The notion of right and wrong came from humans trying to sort out justice and equity. Religion probably, at least in part, grew out of that notion. Hammurabi code was around way before Judaism and Christianity. Christianity gives lip service to forgiveness and compassion from one side of the mouth. Paul's version of Christianity is quite different from Peter's or even Jesus'.

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Forgiveness and compassion weren't held up as ideals in the ancient world. There would have been no reason for Christianity to pay lip service to them.

Sam Lowry said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TexasScientist said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TexasScientist said:

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It's funny how the religious minded often have the most trouble recognizing harm and distinguishing right from wrong i.e. Ginni and Clarence Thomas, Jim Baker, Catholic Clergy, Southern Baptist administration, Jerry Falwell, Jr., many posters on this board etc.

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Cool story bro!

You do realize that Christians are not to worshipClarence Thomas, Jim Baker, Jerry Falwell et al ? You speaking to the failures of men does nothing but support what scripture tells us. Should I take this as an indicator that you are returning to the Christian faith?

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I realize most Christians don't worship them. They're just prominent examples that Christians have trouble recognizing harm and distinguishing right from wrong. Scripture is written by primitive people who had the same problem.

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The world of antiquity was only primitive in the sense that it didn't particularly value forgiveness or compassion. Christianity changed that. You have most of your ideas about right and wrong because you were able to borrow them from religion.

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The notion of right and wrong came from humans trying to sort out justice and equity. Religion probably, at least in part, grew out of that notion. Hammurabi code was around way before Judaism and Christianity. Christianity gives lip service to forgiveness and compassion from one side of the mouth. Paul's version of Christianity is quite different from Peter's or even Jesus'.

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Forgiveness and compassion weren't held up as ideals in the ancient world. There would have been no reason for Christianity to pay lip service to them.

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My comment was in the context of today, but I don't think Christians in the ancient world were anymore compassionate than those of today. Some of the most least compassionate people I know are Christians.

TexasScientist said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TexasScientist said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TexasScientist said:

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It's funny how the religious minded often have the most trouble recognizing harm and distinguishing right from wrong i.e. Ginni and Clarence Thomas, Jim Baker, Catholic Clergy, Southern Baptist administration, Jerry Falwell, Jr., many posters on this board etc.

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Cool story bro!

You do realize that Christians are not to worshipClarence Thomas, Jim Baker, Jerry Falwell et al ? You speaking to the failures of men does nothing but support what scripture tells us. Should I take this as an indicator that you are returning to the Christian faith?

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I realize most Christians don't worship them. They're just prominent examples that Christians have trouble recognizing harm and distinguishing right from wrong. Scripture is written by primitive people who had the same problem.

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The world of antiquity was only primitive in the sense that it didn't particularly value forgiveness or compassion. Christianity changed that. You have most of your ideas about right and wrong because you were able to borrow them from religion.

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The notion of right and wrong came from humans trying to sort out justice and equity. Religion probably, at least in part, grew out of that notion. Hammurabi code was around way before Judaism and Christianity. Christianity gives lip service to forgiveness and compassion from one side of the mouth. Paul's version of Christianity is quite different from Peter's or even Jesus'.

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Forgiveness and compassion weren't held up as ideals in the ancient world. There would have been no reason for Christianity to pay lip service to them.

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My comment was in the context of today, but I don't think Christians in the ancient world were anymore compassionate than those of today. Some of the most least compassionate people I know are Christians.

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Because you've lived a sheltered life. As heirs of Western civilization, we all have.

Some of the least intelligent people you know probably have diplomas. That's hardly a measure of the value of education or its influence on society.

Sam Lowry said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TexasScientist said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TexasScientist said:

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It's funny how the religious minded often have the most trouble recognizing harm and distinguishing right from wrong i.e. Ginni and Clarence Thomas, Jim Baker, Catholic Clergy, Southern Baptist administration, Jerry Falwell, Jr., many posters on this board etc.

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Cool story bro!

You do realize that Christians are not to worshipClarence Thomas, Jim Baker, Jerry Falwell et al ? You speaking to the failures of men does nothing but support what scripture tells us. Should I take this as an indicator that you are returning to the Christian faith?

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I realize most Christians don't worship them. They're just prominent examples that Christians have trouble recognizing harm and distinguishing right from wrong. Scripture is written by primitive people who had the same problem.

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The world of antiquity was only primitive in the sense that it didn't particularly value forgiveness or compassion. Christianity changed that. You have most of your ideas about right and wrong because you were able to borrow them from religion.

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The notion of right and wrong came from humans trying to sort out justice and equity. Religion probably, at least in part, grew out of that notion. Hammurabi code was around way before Judaism and Christianity. Christianity gives lip service to forgiveness and compassion from one side of the mouth. Paul's version of Christianity is quite different from Peter's or even Jesus'.

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Forgiveness and compassion weren't held up as ideals in the ancient world. There would have been no reason for Christianity to pay lip service to them.

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My comment was in the context of today, but I don't think Christians in the ancient world were anymore compassionate than those of today. Some of the most least compassionate people I know are Christians.

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Because you've lived a sheltered life. As heirs of Western civilization, we all have.

Some of the least intelligent people you know probably have diplomas. That's hardly a measure of the value of education or its influence on society.

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Bad behavior is bad behavior. Cultural comparison as to degree is no excuse.

If true, it certainly would make a statement about the criteria for awarding diplomas, and institutionalized education.

TexasScientist: 'I don't think Christians in the ancient world were anymore compassionate than those of today"

Were that true, Christianity would never have seen the surge in popularity it had during the first two centuries of its existence, despite intense Roman persecution.

What do you believe led to Christianity's fast growth, if not for its charity and compassion?

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TexasScientist: 'I don't think Christians in the ancient world were anymore compassionate than those of today"

Were that true, Christianity would never have seen the surge in popularity it had during the first two centuries of its existence, despite intense Roman persecution.

What do you believe led to Christianity's fast growth, if not for its charity and compassion?

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coffee bars, sound systems and smoke machines

(edit) sorry, I didn't notice your timeframe

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But pretending Sin is not the problem is a fatal mistake.

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Quash:
LOL.


I see you are channeling your inner Satan again, Quash.

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Nope. I don't believe in your made up friend. Nor his made up an enemy.

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Your logic fails in a manner similar to the grammar in your last post.

But to the point, quash. Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Make believe does not exist. No gods, no devils. You'll have to find a new way to deal with evil.

Maybe stop seeing it everywhere except under your nose.

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:
But pretending Sin is not the problem is a fatal mistake.

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Quash:
LOL.


I see you are channeling your inner Satan again, Quash.

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Nope. I don't believe in your made up friend. Nor his made up an enemy.

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Your logic fails in a manner similar to the grammar in your last post.

But to the point, quash. Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Make believe does not exist. No gods, no devils. You'll have to find a new way to deal with evil.

Maybe stop seeing it everywhere except under your nose.

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If God and the devil don't exist then evil does not exist.

"Evil can only be understood as part of or in relationship to God's larger plans for the cosmos….Evil as the privation or negation of the good, so that evil is only evil set against the greater good."

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:
But pretending Sin is not the problem is a fatal mistake.

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Quash:
LOL.


I see you are channeling your inner Satan again, Quash.

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Nope. I don't believe in your made up friend. Nor his made up an enemy.

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Your logic fails in a manner similar to the grammar in your last post.

But to the point, quash. Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Make believe does not exist. No gods, no devils. You'll have to find a new way to deal with evil.

Maybe stop seeing it everywhere except under your nose.

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Well gosh, your opinion somehow fails to prove anything.

And I notice you didn't answer the questions, so once again:

Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oldbear83 said:
But pretending Sin is not the problem is a fatal mistake.

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Quash:
LOL.


I see you are channeling your inner Satan again, Quash.

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Nope. I don't believe in your made up friend. Nor his made up an enemy.

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Your logic fails in a manner similar to the grammar in your last post.

But to the point, quash. Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Make believe does not exist. No gods, no devils. You'll have to find a new way to deal with evil.

Maybe stop seeing it everywhere except under your nose.

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Well gosh, your opinion somehow fails to prove anything.

And I notice you didn't answer the questions, so once again:

Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Define evil and I'll be glad to answer. I've already seen one definition that relies on superstition so that one is right out.

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:
But pretending Sin is not the problem is a fatal mistake.

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Quash:
LOL.


I see you are channeling your inner Satan again, Quash.

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Nope. I don't believe in your made up friend. Nor his made up an enemy.

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Your logic fails in a manner similar to the grammar in your last post.

But to the point, quash. Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Make believe does not exist. No gods, no devils. You'll have to find a new way to deal with evil.

Maybe stop seeing it everywhere except under your nose.

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Well gosh, your opinion somehow fails to prove anything.

And I notice you didn't answer the questions, so once again:

Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Define evil and I'll be glad to answer. I've already seen one definition that relies on superstition so that one is right out.

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Still ducking, I see.

Mass immigration is not gonna help the Catholic Church in the long term.

Periodic reminder that the “conversion by immigration” strategy is not going to work. Plus it betrays a hatred of the native US population by those who espouse this position. pic.twitter.com/novHXd8L5N

— Michael Sebastian (@HonorAndDaring) May 23, 2023

It’s happening in Latin America as well. The Church is losing entire countries in Latin America and once they are lost, we know from history they are very difficult to get back. The problem is something other than American culture. pic.twitter.com/Oxb2nUV2gJ

— Michael Sebastian (@HonorAndDaring) May 23, 2023

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Oldbear83 said:
But pretending Sin is not the problem is a fatal mistake.

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Quash:
LOL.


I see you are channeling your inner Satan again, Quash.

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Nope. I don't believe in your made up friend. Nor his made up an enemy.

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Your logic fails in a manner similar to the grammar in your last post.

But to the point, quash. Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Make believe does not exist. No gods, no devils. You'll have to find a new way to deal with evil.

Maybe stop seeing it everywhere except under your nose.

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Mao and Stalin saw no gods or devils. Just science. And they used that science to put hundreds of millions of people in gulags or graves.....

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LIB: you mean my arrogance that I'm a sinner? I do that Me, too

That I'm selfish? I do that.Me too

That I'm not always as thankful for what I've been provided as I should be? I do that Me, too

That just because someone else has different sins than I do I'm not of more value than they? I do that Me, too

That sometimes I am my own god? I do that Me, too

That I don't face the same challenges as other and yet still manage to fall short? I do that Me, too

What am I leaving out, something from column 1, column 2 or the egg roll?

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You did not admit this arrogance "Are you so blind you refuse to consider your arrogance.
that I know that I am my white, USA born, and have (had) Christian arrogance. Are you aware?"

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Waco, it may come as a shock to you, that

1) Something you personally consider wrong, may not actually be wrong, and


2) Even if I agree with you that a particular act or behavior is wrong, it does not mean that someone else is guilty of it

You do a poor imitation of Christ. You look a lot more you are mocking Christ when you do that, and that does not help you in any way.

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You did not admit this arrogance "Are you so blind you refuse to consider your arrogance.
that I know that I am my white, USA born, and have (had) Christian arrogance. Are you aware?"

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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You may define arrogance differently than I. What is your definition?

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You did not admit this arrogance "Are you so blind you refuse to consider your arrogance.
that I know that I am my white, USA born, and have (had) Christian arrogance. Are you aware?"


Specifically, your arrogance in this case of your cultural Christianity is defined as "My religion is the only religion for all the world. I was lucky enough to be born white and in America. Why were you born black, brown, yellow people or non-Jew"

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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LIB: you mean my arrogance that I'm a sinner? I do that Me, too

That I'm selfish? I do that.Me too

That I'm not always as thankful for what I've been provided as I should be? I do that Me, too

That just because someone else has different sins than I do I'm not of more value than they? I do that Me, too

That sometimes I am my own god? I do that Me, too

That I don't face the same challenges as other and yet still manage to fall short? I do that Me, too

What am I leaving out, something from column 1, column 2 or the egg roll?

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You did not admit this arrogance "Are you so blind you refuse to consider your arrogance.
that I know that I am my white, USA born, and have (had) Christian arrogance. Are you aware?"

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Waco, it may come as a shock to you, that

1) Something you personally consider wrong, may not actually be wrong, and


2) Even if I agree with you that a particular act or behavior is wrong, it does not mean that someone else is guilty of it

You do a poor imitation of Christ. You look a lot more you are mocking Christ when you do that, and that does not help you in any way.

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You did not admit this arrogance "Are you so blind you refuse to consider your arrogance.
that I know that I am my white, USA born, and have (had) Christian arrogance. Are you aware?"

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Talk about Chutzpah, Waco! You ignore multiple requests for answers, then presume sins I don't commit, simply because you do them.

May the Lord rebuke you.

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LIB: you mean my arrogance that I'm a sinner? I do that Me, too

That I'm selfish? I do that.Me too

That I'm not always as thankful for what I've been provided as I should be? I do that Me, too

That just because someone else has different sins than I do I'm not of more value than they? I do that Me, too

That sometimes I am my own god? I do that Me, too

That I don't face the same challenges as other and yet still manage to fall short? I do that Me, too

What am I leaving out, something from column 1, column 2 or the egg roll?

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You did not admit this arrogance "Are you so blind you refuse to consider your arrogance.
that I know that I am my white, USA born, and have (had) Christian arrogance. Are you aware?"

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Waco, it may come as a shock to you, that

1) Something you personally consider wrong, may not actually be wrong, and


2) Even if I agree with you that a particular act or behavior is wrong, it does not mean that someone else is guilty of it

You do a poor imitation of Christ. You look a lot more you are mocking Christ when you do that, and that does not help you in any way.

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You did not admit this arrogance "Are you so blind you refuse to consider your arrogance.
that I know that I am my white, USA born, and have (had) Christian arrogance. Are you aware?"

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Talk about Chutzpah, Waco! You ignore multiple requests for answers, then presume sins I don't commit, simply because you do them.

May the Lord rebuke you. That's really a gracious Christian thing to say. sarcasm intended.

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"Are you so blind you refuse to consider your arrogance.
that I know that I am my white, USA born, and have (had) Christian arrogance. Are you aware?"
OLD B you simply refuse to answer to your sin of arrogance.
So confess now. Or continue to arrogant by the simply reason of birth into white America

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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LIB: you mean my arrogance that I'm a sinner? I do that Me, too

That I'm selfish? I do that.Me too

That I'm not always as thankful for what I've been provided as I should be? I do that Me, too

That just because someone else has different sins than I do I'm not of more value than they? I do that Me, too

That sometimes I am my own god? I do that Me, too

That I don't face the same challenges as other and yet still manage to fall short? I do that Me, too

What am I leaving out, something from column 1, column 2 or the egg roll?

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You did not admit this arrogance "Are you so blind you refuse to consider your arrogance.
that I know that I am my white, USA born, and have (had) Christian arrogance. Are you aware?"

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Waco, it may come as a shock to you, that

1) Something you personally consider wrong, may not actually be wrong, and


2) Even if I agree with you that a particular act or behavior is wrong, it does not mean that someone else is guilty of it

You do a poor imitation of Christ. You look a lot more you are mocking Christ when you do that, and that does not help you in any way.

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You did not admit this arrogance "Are you so blind you refuse to consider your arrogance.
that I know that I am my white, USA born, and have (had) Christian arrogance. Are you aware?"

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Talk about Chutzpah, Waco! You ignore multiple requests for answers, then presume sins I don't commit, simply because you do them.

May the Lord rebuke you. That's really a gracious Christian thing to say. sarcasm intended.

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"Are you so blind you refuse to consider your arrogance.
that I know that I am my white, USA born, and have (had) Christian arrogance. Are you aware?"
OLD B you simply refuse to answer to your sin of arrogance.
So confess now. Or continue to arrogant by the simply reason of birth into white America

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I answer to God, not a bigoted heretic who hates God, as you do, Waco.

In any case I am guilty of nothing where your rant is concerned. Just as there is no moral advantage to being a certain skin color or nationality, neither does it offend God that I am honest and grateful for what He made me.

You, Waco, are full of spite and malice. Such poison can only lead you wrong.

Repent and turn from your evil. The Lord is merciful and quick to forgive.

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You may define arrogance differently than I. What is your definition?

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You did not admit this arrogance "Are you so blind you refuse to consider your arrogance.
that I know that I am my white, USA born, and have (had) Christian arrogance. Are you aware?"


Specifically, your arrogance in this case of your cultural Christianity is defined as "My religion is the only religion for all the world. I was lucky enough to be born white and in America. Why were you born black, brown, yellow people or non-Jew"

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That's a very prejudiced statement 47. In the US, the largest Christian group per capita is black Christian women.

The areas with the biggest increase in Christians is South America, Africa and China.

The world has many religions. However, Christ said "No one comes to the Father except by Me." He either lied or told the truth regardless of how many religions there are.

So is it the truth or a lie?

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You may define arrogance differently than I. What is your definition?

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Specifically, your arrogance in this case of your cultural Christianity is defined as "My religion is the only religion for all the world.

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1. No one of course said that there were not other cultures in the world or races and that they were not valid and good.

2. But it is a basic Christian doctrine and belief that there is only one correct or valid religion for the world and that is Christianity. To be a Christian is to believe that Christ is the only path to salvation and the only name by which men are saved.

That is pretty basic....if you are a Christian you have to believe and acknowledge that.

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Waco1947 said:

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LIB: you mean my arrogance that I'm a sinner? I do that Me, too

That I'm selfish? I do that.Me too

That I'm not always as thankful for what I've been provided as I should be? I do that Me, too

That just because someone else has different sins than I do I'm not of more value than they? I do that Me, too

That sometimes I am my own god? I do that Me, too

That I don't face the same challenges as other and yet still manage to fall short? I do that Me, too

What am I leaving out, something from column 1, column 2 or the egg roll?

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You did not admit this arrogance "Are you so blind you refuse to consider your arrogance.
that I know that I am my white, USA born, and have (had) Christian arrogance. Are you aware?"

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Waco, it may come as a shock to you, that

1) Something you personally consider wrong, may not actually be wrong, and


2) Even if I agree with you that a particular act or behavior is wrong, it does not mean that someone else is guilty of it

You do a poor imitation of Christ. You look a lot more you are mocking Christ when you do that, and that does not help you in any way.

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You did not admit this arrogance "Are you so blind you refuse to consider your arrogance.
that I know that I am my white, USA born, and have (had) Christian arrogance. Are you aware?"

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Talk about Chutzpah, Waco! You ignore multiple requests for answers, then presume sins I don't commit, simply because you do them.

May the Lord rebuke you. That's really a gracious Christian thing to say. sarcasm intended.

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"Are you so blind you refuse to consider your arrogance.
that I know that I am my white, USA born, and have (had) Christian arrogance. Are you aware?"
OLD B you simply refuse to answer to your sin of arrogance.
So confess now. Or continue to arrogant by the simply reason of birth into white America

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LOL wielding the Kafkatrap is proof of your own arrogance

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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LIB: you mean my arrogance that I'm a sinner? I do that Me, too

That I'm selfish? I do that.Me too

That I'm not always as thankful for what I've been provided as I should be? I do that Me, too

That just because someone else has different sins than I do I'm not of more value than they? I do that Me, too

That sometimes I am my own god? I do that Me, too

That I don't face the same challenges as other and yet still manage to fall short? I do that Me, too

What am I leaving out, something from column 1, column 2 or the egg roll?

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You did not admit this arrogance "Are you so blind you refuse to consider your arrogance.
that I know that I am my white, USA born, and have (had) Christian arrogance. Are you aware?"

---

Waco, it may come as a shock to you, that

1) Something you personally consider wrong, may not actually be wrong, and


2) Even if I agree with you that a particular act or behavior is wrong, it does not mean that someone else is guilty of it

You do a poor imitation of Christ. You look a lot more you are mocking Christ when you do that, and that does not help you in any way.

---

You did not admit this arrogance "Are you so blind you refuse to consider your arrogance.
that I know that I am my white, USA born, and have (had) Christian arrogance. Are you aware?"

---

Talk about Chutzpah, Waco! You ignore multiple requests for answers, then presume sins I don't commit, simply because you do them.

May the Lord rebuke you. That's really a gracious Christian thing to say. sarcasm intended.

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"Are you so blind you refuse to consider your arrogance.
that I know that I am my white, USA born, and have (had) Christian arrogance. Are you aware?"
OLD B you simply refuse to answer to your sin of arrogance.
So confess now. Or continue to arrogant by the simply reason of birth into white America

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This 47 dude is either a drunkard or just plain crazy.

Why anyone wastes time with him is beyond my comprehension.

"Judging others makes us blind, whereas love is illuminating. By judging others we blind ourselves to our own evil and to the grace which others are just as entitled to as we are."
Dietrich Bonhoeffer