TexasScientist said:

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That's right. But what we have learned so far about inflation and the early formation of our universe is pointing to to a multiverse. We may never be able to confirm or directly make observations. However, at some point we may be able to detect gravitational waves residual to early formation of a multiverse. I'm not so sure about the philosophical part.

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You sir, are a white lab coat cultist and a Reality denier.

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Hmmm, reality denier? Lab coat believes in testing and empirical evidence to know reality. Vestment Old Bear believes in supernatural mysticism to know reality. I think I'll rely on lab coats to affirm reality.

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Yes, you may well be a reality denier, TS. People who judge validity by whether a lab coat was involved often are blind to Reality.

Unlike you, TS, I use multiple sources whenever possible to verify claims. That and a bit of common sense, but I hesitate to mention that since your common sense was apparently lost long ago in some kind of accident.

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I'll rely on the evidence of reality, over religious fantasy for reality.

You mean like the common sense that tells you the sun orbits the earth, and multiple sources in your echo chamber?

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You have all the traits of the cultist, TS.

Including the visceral hatred of knowing someone else is free to think.

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You really made me laugh. Religious groups are what define cults. Religion tells you what to think. I suggest you rethink those thoughts. LOL.

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So the Jacobites were not cultists?

Pol Pot's movement was 'religious', was it?

Serious TS, that's your weakest argument yet.

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I didn't say exclusively defined by religion. Look at the Trump cult for instance, although with some it has religious conotations.

Cult: a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
"the cult of St. Olaf"

• a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
• a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.
  "a cult of personality surrounding the leaders"

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Cherry-picked definition s cherry-picked, boyo.

You are still wrong.

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Nah.

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But pretending Sin is not the problem is a fatal mistake.

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Quash:
LOL.


I see you are channeling your inner Satan again, Quash.

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Nope. I don't believe in your made up friend. Nor his made up an enemy.

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Your logic fails in a manner similar to the grammar in your last post.

But to the point, quash. Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Make believe does not exist. No gods, no devils. You'll have to find a new way to deal with evil.

Maybe stop seeing it everywhere except under your nose.

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Well gosh, your opinion somehow fails to prove anything.

And I notice you didn't answer the questions, so once again:

Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Define evil and I'll be glad to answer. I've already seen one definition that relies on superstition so that one is right out.

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Still ducking, I see.

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Can't have a real discussion without defining terms. You can define evil and I'll discuss it with you.

Or you can continue the path of "the accusation is the admission".

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So nothing strikes you as a good act or an evil act?

Well, let's get help from Merriam-Webster, shall we?

"evil adjective (-vl )
British often and US sometimes -()vil

1a : morally reprehensible : SINFUL, WICKED
an evil impulse

1b : arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct
a person of evil reputation

2a archaic : INFERIOR
2b : causing discomfort or repulsion : OFFENSIVE
an evil odor
2c: DISAGREEABLE
woke late and in an evil temper


3a : causing harm : PERNICIOUS
the evil institution of slavery

3b: marked by misfortune : UNLUCKY"


So, how about definitions 1a and 3a.

Do you agree evil exists as so defined?

Now let's look at good:

"good adjective (gud )

1a(1) : of a favorable character or tendency
good news

(2): BOUNTIFUL, FERTILE
good land

(3): HANDSOME, ATTRACTIVE
good looks

b(1): SUITABLE, FIT
good to eat

(2): free from injury or disease
one good arm

(3): not depreciated
bad money drives out good

(4): commercially sound
a good risk

(5): that can be relied on
good for another year

(6): PROFITABLE, ADVANTAGEOUS
made a very good deal

c(1): AGREEABLE, PLEASANT
had a good time

(2): SALUTARY, WHOLESOME
good for a cold

(3): AMUSING, CLEVER
a good joke

d(1): of a noticeably large size or quantity : CONSIDERABLE
won by a good margin

(2): FULL
waited a good hour

(3) used as a word that gives force or emphasis to a statement
a good many of us

e(1) : WELL-FOUNDED, COGENT
good reasons

(2): TRUE
holds good for society at large

(3): deserving of respect : HONORABLE
in good standing

(4): legally valid or effectual
good title

f(1): ADEQUATE, SATISFACTORY
good care

(2): conforming to a standard
good English

(3): liking only things that are of good quality : CHOICE, DISCRIMINATING
good taste

(4): containing less fat and being less tender than higher grades
used of meat and especially of beef
g sports
(1)of a serve or shot : landing in the proper area of the court in tennis and similar games
The serve was good.

(2)of a shot or kick : successfully done
(basketball) The first foul shot was good but she missed the second one.

(American football) The kick was good from 45 yards.

The kick was no good. [=was missed]

2a(1): VIRTUOUS, RIGHT, COMMENDABLE
a good person

good conduct

(2): KIND, BENEVOLENT
good intentions

b: UPPER-CLASS
a good family

c: COMPETENT, SKILLFUL
a good doctor

d(1): LOYAL
a good party man

a good Catholic

(2): CLOSE
a good friend

e: free from infirmity or sorrow
I feel good"


Here I would submit definition 2a(1), a virtuous or commendable quality.

Now with those definitions, do you agree or deny the existence of evil and good?

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3a for evil

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Shall I take it that you believe in the existence of Good and Evil by the stated definitions?

(if this gets any more bureaucratic, we'll have to have it notarized in blue ink, in triplicate)

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Like I said, 3a for evil. I thought that made it clear that I was not adopting the rest.

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So you do not believe Good exists at all?

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Why do you capitalize it?

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Does it bother you that I do?

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Not in the least. Can you just answer the question?

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I wish you would do so. You asked for definitions, I literally quoted the dictionary and you won't accept that.

Naturally I want to understand if that means you have your own definition of good or Good, or just reject the concept.

Therefore, the ball is still in your court.

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But pretending Sin is not the problem is a fatal mistake.

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Quash:
LOL.


I see you are channeling your inner Satan again, Quash.

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Nope. I don't believe in your made up friend. Nor his made up an enemy.

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Your logic fails in a manner similar to the grammar in your last post.

But to the point, quash. Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Make believe does not exist. No gods, no devils. You'll have to find a new way to deal with evil.

Maybe stop seeing it everywhere except under your nose.

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Well gosh, your opinion somehow fails to prove anything.

And I notice you didn't answer the questions, so once again:

Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Define evil and I'll be glad to answer. I've already seen one definition that relies on superstition so that one is right out.

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Still ducking, I see.

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Can't have a real discussion without defining terms. You can define evil and I'll discuss it with you.

Or you can continue the path of "the accusation is the admission".

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So nothing strikes you as a good act or an evil act?

Well, let's get help from Merriam-Webster, shall we?

"evil adjective (-vl )
British often and US sometimes -()vil

1a : morally reprehensible : SINFUL, WICKED
an evil impulse

1b : arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct
a person of evil reputation

2a archaic : INFERIOR
2b : causing discomfort or repulsion : OFFENSIVE
an evil odor
2c: DISAGREEABLE
woke late and in an evil temper


3a : causing harm : PERNICIOUS
the evil institution of slavery

3b: marked by misfortune : UNLUCKY"


So, how about definitions 1a and 3a.

Do you agree evil exists as so defined?

Now let's look at good:

"good adjective (gud )

1a(1) : of a favorable character or tendency
good news

(2): BOUNTIFUL, FERTILE
good land

(3): HANDSOME, ATTRACTIVE
good looks

b(1): SUITABLE, FIT
good to eat

(2): free from injury or disease
one good arm

(3): not depreciated
bad money drives out good

(4): commercially sound
a good risk

(5): that can be relied on
good for another year

(6): PROFITABLE, ADVANTAGEOUS
made a very good deal

c(1): AGREEABLE, PLEASANT
had a good time

(2): SALUTARY, WHOLESOME
good for a cold

(3): AMUSING, CLEVER
a good joke

d(1): of a noticeably large size or quantity : CONSIDERABLE
won by a good margin

(2): FULL
waited a good hour

(3) used as a word that gives force or emphasis to a statement
a good many of us

e(1) : WELL-FOUNDED, COGENT
good reasons

(2): TRUE
holds good for society at large

(3): deserving of respect : HONORABLE
in good standing

(4): legally valid or effectual
good title

f(1): ADEQUATE, SATISFACTORY
good care

(2): conforming to a standard
good English

(3): liking only things that are of good quality : CHOICE, DISCRIMINATING
good taste

(4): containing less fat and being less tender than higher grades
used of meat and especially of beef
g sports
(1)of a serve or shot : landing in the proper area of the court in tennis and similar games
The serve was good.

(2)of a shot or kick : successfully done
(basketball) The first foul shot was good but she missed the second one.

(American football) The kick was good from 45 yards.

The kick was no good. [=was missed]

2a(1): VIRTUOUS, RIGHT, COMMENDABLE
a good person

good conduct

(2): KIND, BENEVOLENT
good intentions

b: UPPER-CLASS
a good family

c: COMPETENT, SKILLFUL
a good doctor

d(1): LOYAL
a good party man

a good Catholic

(2): CLOSE
a good friend

e: free from infirmity or sorrow
I feel good"


Here I would submit definition 2a(1), a virtuous or commendable quality.

Now with those definitions, do you agree or deny the existence of evil and good?

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3a for evil

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Shall I take it that you believe in the existence of Good and Evil by the stated definitions?

(if this gets any more bureaucratic, we'll have to have it notarized in blue ink, in triplicate)

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Like I said, 3a for evil. I thought that made it clear that I was not adopting the rest.

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So you do not believe Good exists at all?

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Why do you capitalize it?

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Does it bother you that I do?

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Not in the least. Can you just answer the question?

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I wish you would do so. You asked for definitions, I literally quoted the dictionary and you won't accept that.

Naturally I want to understand if that means you have your own definition of good or Good, or just reject the concept.

Therefore, the ball is still in your court.

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I asked for a definition of evil. You provided a bunch and I accepted one

Then you capitalized good and I asked you why. You haven't answered. The ball is in your court, sir.

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But pretending Sin is not the problem is a fatal mistake.

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Quash:
LOL.


I see you are channeling your inner Satan again, Quash.

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Nope. I don't believe in your made up friend. Nor his made up an enemy.

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Your logic fails in a manner similar to the grammar in your last post.

But to the point, quash. Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Make believe does not exist. No gods, no devils. You'll have to find a new way to deal with evil.

Maybe stop seeing it everywhere except under your nose.

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Well gosh, your opinion somehow fails to prove anything.

And I notice you didn't answer the questions, so once again:

Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Define evil and I'll be glad to answer. I've already seen one definition that relies on superstition so that one is right out.

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Still ducking, I see.

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Can't have a real discussion without defining terms. You can define evil and I'll discuss it with you.

Or you can continue the path of "the accusation is the admission".

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So nothing strikes you as a good act or an evil act?

Well, let's get help from Merriam-Webster, shall we?

"evil adjective (-vl )
British often and US sometimes -()vil

1a : morally reprehensible : SINFUL, WICKED
an evil impulse

1b : arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct
a person of evil reputation

2a archaic : INFERIOR
2b : causing discomfort or repulsion : OFFENSIVE
an evil odor
2c: DISAGREEABLE
woke late and in an evil temper


3a : causing harm : PERNICIOUS
the evil institution of slavery

3b: marked by misfortune : UNLUCKY"


So, how about definitions 1a and 3a.

Do you agree evil exists as so defined?

Now let's look at good:

"good adjective (gud )

1a(1) : of a favorable character or tendency
good news

(2): BOUNTIFUL, FERTILE
good land

(3): HANDSOME, ATTRACTIVE
good looks

b(1): SUITABLE, FIT
good to eat

(2): free from injury or disease
one good arm

(3): not depreciated
bad money drives out good

(4): commercially sound
a good risk

(5): that can be relied on
good for another year

(6): PROFITABLE, ADVANTAGEOUS
made a very good deal

c(1): AGREEABLE, PLEASANT
had a good time

(2): SALUTARY, WHOLESOME
good for a cold

(3): AMUSING, CLEVER
a good joke

d(1): of a noticeably large size or quantity : CONSIDERABLE
won by a good margin

(2): FULL
waited a good hour

(3) used as a word that gives force or emphasis to a statement
a good many of us

e(1) : WELL-FOUNDED, COGENT
good reasons

(2): TRUE
holds good for society at large

(3): deserving of respect : HONORABLE
in good standing

(4): legally valid or effectual
good title

f(1): ADEQUATE, SATISFACTORY
good care

(2): conforming to a standard
good English

(3): liking only things that are of good quality : CHOICE, DISCRIMINATING
good taste

(4): containing less fat and being less tender than higher grades
used of meat and especially of beef
g sports
(1)of a serve or shot : landing in the proper area of the court in tennis and similar games
The serve was good.

(2)of a shot or kick : successfully done
(basketball) The first foul shot was good but she missed the second one.

(American football) The kick was good from 45 yards.

The kick was no good. [=was missed]

2a(1): VIRTUOUS, RIGHT, COMMENDABLE
a good person

good conduct

(2): KIND, BENEVOLENT
good intentions

b: UPPER-CLASS
a good family

c: COMPETENT, SKILLFUL
a good doctor

d(1): LOYAL
a good party man

a good Catholic

(2): CLOSE
a good friend

e: free from infirmity or sorrow
I feel good"


Here I would submit definition 2a(1), a virtuous or commendable quality.

Now with those definitions, do you agree or deny the existence of evil and good?

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3a for evil

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Shall I take it that you believe in the existence of Good and Evil by the stated definitions?

(if this gets any more bureaucratic, we'll have to have it notarized in blue ink, in triplicate)

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Like I said, 3a for evil. I thought that made it clear that I was not adopting the rest.

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So you do not believe Good exists at all?

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Why do you capitalize it?

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Does it bother you that I do?

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Not in the least. Can you just answer the question?

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I wish you would do so. You asked for definitions, I literally quoted the dictionary and you won't accept that.

Naturally I want to understand if that means you have your own definition of good or Good, or just reject the concept.

Therefore, the ball is still in your court.

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I asked for a definition of evil. You provided a bunch and I accepted one

Then you capitalized good and I asked you why. You haven't answered. The ball is in your court, sir.

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False.

You asked for definitions of good and evil, and I gave you both.

You accepted a definition for evil but not good, then started trying to change the subject when I pressed you on that part.

That round thing on the ground by your feet? That is the ball, sir.

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Oldbear83 said:
But pretending Sin is not the problem is a fatal mistake.

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Quash:
LOL.


I see you are channeling your inner Satan again, Quash.

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Nope. I don't believe in your made up friend. Nor his made up an enemy.

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Your logic fails in a manner similar to the grammar in your last post.

But to the point, quash. Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Make believe does not exist. No gods, no devils. You'll have to find a new way to deal with evil.

Maybe stop seeing it everywhere except under your nose.

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Well gosh, your opinion somehow fails to prove anything.

And I notice you didn't answer the questions, so once again:

Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Define evil and I'll be glad to answer. I've already seen one definition that relies on superstition so that one is right out.

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Still ducking, I see.

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Can't have a real discussion without defining terms. You can define evil and I'll discuss it with you.

Or you can continue the path of "the accusation is the admission".

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So nothing strikes you as a good act or an evil act?

Well, let's get help from Merriam-Webster, shall we?

"evil adjective (-vl )
British often and US sometimes -()vil

1a : morally reprehensible : SINFUL, WICKED
an evil impulse

1b : arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct
a person of evil reputation

2a archaic : INFERIOR
2b : causing discomfort or repulsion : OFFENSIVE
an evil odor
2c: DISAGREEABLE
woke late and in an evil temper


3a : causing harm : PERNICIOUS
the evil institution of slavery

3b: marked by misfortune : UNLUCKY"


So, how about definitions 1a and 3a.

Do you agree evil exists as so defined?

Now let's look at good:

"good adjective (gud )

1a(1) : of a favorable character or tendency
good news

(2): BOUNTIFUL, FERTILE
good land

(3): HANDSOME, ATTRACTIVE
good looks

b(1): SUITABLE, FIT
good to eat

(2): free from injury or disease
one good arm

(3): not depreciated
bad money drives out good

(4): commercially sound
a good risk

(5): that can be relied on
good for another year

(6): PROFITABLE, ADVANTAGEOUS
made a very good deal

c(1): AGREEABLE, PLEASANT
had a good time

(2): SALUTARY, WHOLESOME
good for a cold

(3): AMUSING, CLEVER
a good joke

d(1): of a noticeably large size or quantity : CONSIDERABLE
won by a good margin

(2): FULL
waited a good hour

(3) used as a word that gives force or emphasis to a statement
a good many of us

e(1) : WELL-FOUNDED, COGENT
good reasons

(2): TRUE
holds good for society at large

(3): deserving of respect : HONORABLE
in good standing

(4): legally valid or effectual
good title

f(1): ADEQUATE, SATISFACTORY
good care

(2): conforming to a standard
good English

(3): liking only things that are of good quality : CHOICE, DISCRIMINATING
good taste

(4): containing less fat and being less tender than higher grades
used of meat and especially of beef
g sports
(1)of a serve or shot : landing in the proper area of the court in tennis and similar games
The serve was good.

(2)of a shot or kick : successfully done
(basketball) The first foul shot was good but she missed the second one.

(American football) The kick was good from 45 yards.

The kick was no good. [=was missed]

2a(1): VIRTUOUS, RIGHT, COMMENDABLE
a good person

good conduct

(2): KIND, BENEVOLENT
good intentions

b: UPPER-CLASS
a good family

c: COMPETENT, SKILLFUL
a good doctor

d(1): LOYAL
a good party man

a good Catholic

(2): CLOSE
a good friend

e: free from infirmity or sorrow
I feel good"


Here I would submit definition 2a(1), a virtuous or commendable quality.

Now with those definitions, do you agree or deny the existence of evil and good?

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3a for evil

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Shall I take it that you believe in the existence of Good and Evil by the stated definitions?

(if this gets any more bureaucratic, we'll have to have it notarized in blue ink, in triplicate)

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Like I said, 3a for evil. I thought that made it clear that I was not adopting the rest.

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So you do not believe Good exists at all?

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Why do you capitalize it?

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Does it bother you that I do?

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Not in the least. Can you just answer the question?

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I wish you would do so. You asked for definitions, I literally quoted the dictionary and you won't accept that.

Naturally I want to understand if that means you have your own definition of good or Good, or just reject the concept.

Therefore, the ball is still in your court.

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I asked for a definition of evil. You provided a bunch and I accepted one

Then you capitalized good and I asked you why. You haven't answered. The ball is in your court, sir.

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False.

You asked for definitions of good and evil, and I gave you both.

You accepted a definition for evil but not good, then started trying to change the subject when I pressed you on that part.

That round thing on the ground by your feet? That is the ball, sir.

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"Can't have a real discussion without defining terms. You can define evil and I'll discuss it with you"

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That's right. But what we have learned so far about inflation and the early formation of our universe is pointing to to a multiverse. We may never be able to confirm or directly make observations. However, at some point we may be able to detect gravitational waves residual to early formation of a multiverse. I'm not so sure about the philosophical part.

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So now, the entire multiverse has formed from particles that popped into reality from a quantum vacuum. Particles smaller that quarks and leptons.

That's extreme faith in something you can't prove or you're living in a fantasy world.

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TexasScientist said:

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That's right. But what we have learned so far about inflation and the early formation of our universe is pointing to to a multiverse. We may never be able to confirm or directly make observations. However, at some point we may be able to detect gravitational waves residual to early formation of a multiverse. I'm not so sure about the philosophical part.

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So now, the entire multiverse has formed from particles that popped into reality from a quantum vacuum. Particles smaller that quarks and leptons.

That's extreme faith in something you can't prove or you're living in a fantasy world.

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A quantum world defined by quatum mechanics, supported by evidence and plausible quantum theory. No faith required, and it gives a far more satisfactory depiction of reality, than does evolution of beliefs in primitive ideas that were formulated as an explanations without evidence.

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TexasScientist said:

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Coke Bear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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That's right. But what we have learned so far about inflation and the early formation of our universe is pointing to to a multiverse. We may never be able to confirm or directly make observations. However, at some point we may be able to detect gravitational waves residual to early formation of a multiverse. I'm not so sure about the philosophical part.

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So now, the entire multiverse has formed from particles that popped into reality from a quantum vacuum. Particles smaller that quarks and leptons.

That's extreme faith in something you can't prove or you're living in a fantasy world.

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A quantum world defined by quatum mechanics, supported by evidence and plausible quantum theory. No faith required, and it gives a far more satisfactory depiction of reality, than does evolution of beliefs in primitive ideas that were formulated as an explanations without evidence.

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TexasScientist said:

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TexasScientist said:

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That's right. But what we have learned so far about inflation and the early formation of our universe is pointing to to a multiverse. We may never be able to confirm or directly make observations. However, at some point we may be able to detect gravitational waves residual to early formation of a multiverse. I'm not so sure about the philosophical part.

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So now, the entire multiverse has formed from particles that popped into reality from a quantum vacuum. Particles smaller that quarks and leptons.

That's extreme faith in something you can't prove or you're living in a fantasy world.

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A quantum world defined by quatum mechanics, supported by evidence and plausible quantum theory. No faith required, and it gives a far more satisfactory depiction of reality, than does evolution of beliefs in primitive ideas that were formulated as an explanations without evidence.

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Having mentioned explanations without evidence, could you please explain how something was created out of nothing?

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Coke Bear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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That's right. But what we have learned so far about inflation and the early formation of our universe is pointing to to a multiverse. We may never be able to confirm or directly make observations. However, at some point we may be able to detect gravitational waves residual to early formation of a multiverse. I'm not so sure about the philosophical part.

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So now, the entire multiverse has formed from particles that popped into reality from a quantum vacuum. Particles smaller that quarks and leptons.

That's extreme faith in something you can't prove or you're living in a fantasy world.

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A quantum world defined by quatum mechanics, supported by evidence and plausible quantum theory. No faith required, and it gives a far more satisfactory depiction of reality, than does evolution of beliefs in primitive ideas that were formulated as an explanations without evidence.

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"Plausible" and "satisfactory" sound more like philosophy than science. Well, the "R" in R&P does stand for religion.

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TexasScientist said:

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whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Coke Bear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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That's right. But what we have learned so far about inflation and the early formation of our universe is pointing to to a multiverse. We may never be able to confirm or directly make observations. However, at some point we may be able to detect gravitational waves residual to early formation of a multiverse. I'm not so sure about the philosophical part.

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So now, the entire multiverse has formed from particles that popped into reality from a quantum vacuum. Particles smaller that quarks and leptons.

That's extreme faith in something you can't prove or you're living in a fantasy world.

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A quantum world defined by quatum mechanics, supported by evidence and plausible quantum theory. No faith required, and it gives a far more satisfactory depiction of reality, than does evolution of beliefs in primitive ideas that were formulated as an explanations without evidence.

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Having mentioned explanations without evidence, could you please explain how something was created out of nothing?

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In numerous other posts, I have already explained how it is plausible.

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