Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Assassin said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Anyone else notice Sam is ducking the fact that none of these judges established standing or immediate threat for the plaintiffs?

Anyone else notice Sam cannot name a single 'Republican' judge who ordered the Biden or Obama Administrations to spend money on a program or agency they wanted to cut?

Just call him Democrat Sam from now on.

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Standing was never raised as an issue. Irreparable harm was established by the plaintiffs, in the opinion of the judge, and I don't know of any case where it was more obvious. Many detainees who were likely innocent are now caged in conditions that wouldn't be fit for animals, and there's no realistic hope for relief.

All because we couldn't wait a few days to punish us some brown people.

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likely innocent? So we are randomly picking up innocent people and shipping them off? LoL

Go sit down

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We're talking in some cases about victims of gang violence who had pending asylum claims.

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Asylum claims are filed by persons outside the US that are trying to come to the US.

Nice try though.

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See page 18 of the plaintiffs' memo, linked earlier.

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So whatever the gang members claim we take as gospel but whatever ICE tells us we have to suspect as lies until proven beyond a shadow of a doubt? Interesting.

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It's almost like there's this weird "presumption of innocence." If only we had some reasonable process to follow…some way of hearing the evidence so we wouldn't have to take it on faith.

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No, it's more like you choose to believe violent illegal alien gang members over the arresting agents because you don't like Orange Man Bad.

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Why not have a hearing?

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When the idea behind the invasion is to overwhelm the courts and be set free while awaiting trial, it becomes suicidal to ignore such designs and allow that overwhelming to happen anyway.

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The courts are not overwhelmed with Tren de Aragua members. You're taking Trump's metaphorical gang "invasion" (already a huge stretch) and conflating it with the alleged Democratic scheme to "invade" the country with left-leaning voters. But most immigrants fall under different laws with different rights and different burdens of proof from the AEA. Besides, the judge has made it clear that he has plenty of time for this case.

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Yes I'm sure an activist Obama judge WOULD say that. The fact is we saw unprecedented levels of ILLEGAL immigration. Claiming each person who manages to swim the river deserves a day in court is suicide for an immigration system. Because of the backlog and unprecedented levels of illegal aliens flooding our country with the aid and direction of democrats, we now must expedite the most dangerous criminals. I know I know, it's racist to think the people you assume are brown should be beholden to the law and all that bull ****, but your emotions and race card are meaningless in the face of the facts here. You have ZERO numbers that disprove the reports of massive amounts of gang members that took advantage of Biden's open border. You get that right? We all saw the apartment complexes being taken over. We can all use Google to find the reported number of illegals that flooded our country under Biden. But stuck with your "nuh uh!" and "facts are racist!" defense. Surely that will convince someone that our eyes are liars.

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You forgot to add, the Tesla attacks are simply Democrat campers who were toasting marshmallows over open fire and it got a little out of hand

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His entire argument is based on believing the word of the violent gang member over that of border patrol and ICE. "Well since I don't believe ICE..."

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My argument is that we should hear the evidence. For some reason you fear this.

Trump really brings out the statist in you folks.

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Assassin said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Anyone else notice Sam is ducking the fact that none of these judges established standing or immediate threat for the plaintiffs?

Anyone else notice Sam cannot name a single 'Republican' judge who ordered the Biden or Obama Administrations to spend money on a program or agency they wanted to cut?

Just call him Democrat Sam from now on.

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Standing was never raised as an issue. Irreparable harm was established by the plaintiffs, in the opinion of the judge, and I don't know of any case where it was more obvious. Many detainees who were likely innocent are now caged in conditions that wouldn't be fit for animals, and there's no realistic hope for relief.

All because we couldn't wait a few days to punish us some brown people.

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likely innocent? So we are randomly picking up innocent people and shipping them off? LoL

Go sit down

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We're talking in some cases about victims of gang violence who had pending asylum claims.

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Asylum claims are filed by persons outside the US that are trying to come to the US.

Nice try though.

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See page 18 of the plaintiffs' memo, linked earlier.

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So whatever the gang members claim we take as gospel but whatever ICE tells us we have to suspect as lies until proven beyond a shadow of a doubt? Interesting.

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It's almost like there's this weird "presumption of innocence." If only we had some reasonable process to follow…some way of hearing the evidence so we wouldn't have to take it on faith.

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No, it's more like you choose to believe violent illegal alien gang members over the arresting agents because you don't like Orange Man Bad.

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Why not have a hearing?

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When the idea behind the invasion is to overwhelm the courts and be set free while awaiting trial, it becomes suicidal to ignore such designs and allow that overwhelming to happen anyway.

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The courts are not overwhelmed with Tren de Aragua members. You're taking Trump's metaphorical gang "invasion" (already a huge stretch) and conflating it with the alleged Democratic scheme to "invade" the country with left-leaning voters. But most immigrants fall under different laws with different rights and different burdens of proof from the AEA. Besides, the judge has made it clear that he has plenty of time for this case.

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Yes I'm sure an activist Obama judge WOULD say that. The fact is we saw unprecedented levels of ILLEGAL immigration. Claiming each person who manages to swim the river deserves a day in court is suicide for an immigration system. Because of the backlog and unprecedented levels of illegal aliens flooding our country with the aid and direction of democrats, we now must expedite the most dangerous criminals. I know I know, it's racist to think the people you assume are brown should be beholden to the law and all that bull ****, but your emotions and race card are meaningless in the face of the facts here. You have ZERO numbers that disprove the reports of massive amounts of gang members that took advantage of Biden's open border. You get that right? We all saw the apartment complexes being taken over. We can all use Google to find the reported number of illegals that flooded our country under Biden. But stuck with your "nuh uh!" and "facts are racist!" defense. Surely that will convince someone that our eyes are liars.

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You forgot to add, the Tesla attacks are simply Democrat campers who were toasting marshmallows over open fire and it got a little out of hand

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His entire argument is based on believing the word of the violent gang member over that of border patrol and ICE. "Well since I don't believe ICE..."

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My argument is that we should hear the evidence. For some reason you fear this.

Trump really brings out the statist in you folks.

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If you want to hear the evidence, have your representatives change the law. As it is written, you are not entitled to the evidence and neither is the judge.

Why do you not want to follow the law? Do you consider yourself above it?

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Osodecentx said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Assassin said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Anyone else notice Sam is ducking the fact that none of these judges established standing or immediate threat for the plaintiffs?

Anyone else notice Sam cannot name a single 'Republican' judge who ordered the Biden or Obama Administrations to spend money on a program or agency they wanted to cut?

Just call him Democrat Sam from now on.

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Standing was never raised as an issue. Irreparable harm was established by the plaintiffs, in the opinion of the judge, and I don't know of any case where it was more obvious. Many detainees who were likely innocent are now caged in conditions that wouldn't be fit for animals, and there's no realistic hope for relief.

All because we couldn't wait a few days to punish us some brown people.

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likely innocent? So we are randomly picking up innocent people and shipping them off? LoL

Go sit down

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We're talking in some cases about victims of gang violence who had pending asylum claims.

---

Asylum claims are filed by persons outside the US that are trying to come to the US.

Nice try though.

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See page 18 of the plaintiffs' memo, linked earlier.

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So whatever the gang members claim we take as gospel but whatever ICE tells us we have to suspect as lies until proven beyond a shadow of a doubt? Interesting.

---

It's almost like there's this weird "presumption of innocence." If only we had some reasonable process to follow…some way of hearing the evidence so we wouldn't have to take it on faith.

---

No, it's more like you choose to believe violent illegal alien gang members over the arresting agents because you don't like Orange Man Bad.

---

Why not have a hearing?

---

When the idea behind the invasion is to overwhelm the courts and be set free while awaiting trial, it becomes suicidal to ignore such designs and allow that overwhelming to happen anyway.

---

The courts are not overwhelmed with Tren de Aragua members. You're taking Trump's metaphorical gang "invasion" (already a huge stretch) and conflating it with the alleged Democratic scheme to "invade" the country with left-leaning voters. But most immigrants fall under different laws with different rights and different burdens of proof from the AEA. Besides, the judge has made it clear that he has plenty of time for this case.

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Yes I'm sure an activist Obama judge WOULD say that. The fact is we saw unprecedented levels of ILLEGAL immigration. Claiming each person who manages to swim the river deserves a day in court is suicide for an immigration system. Because of the backlog and unprecedented levels of illegal aliens flooding our country with the aid and direction of democrats, we now must expedite the most dangerous criminals. I know I know, it's racist to think the people you assume are brown should be beholden to the law and all that bull ****, but your emotions and race card are meaningless in the face of the facts here. You have ZERO numbers that disprove the reports of massive amounts of gang members that took advantage of Biden's open border. You get that right? We all saw the apartment complexes being taken over. We can all use Google to find the reported number of illegals that flooded our country under Biden. But stuck with your "nuh uh!" and "facts are racist!" defense. Surely that will convince someone that our eyes are liars.

---

You forgot to add, the Tesla attacks are simply Democrat campers who were toasting marshmallows over open fire and it got a little out of hand

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His entire argument is based on believing the word of the violent gang member over that of border patrol and ICE. "Well since I don't believe ICE..."

---

My argument is that we should hear the evidence. For some reason you fear this.

Trump really brings out the statist in you folks.

---

If you want to hear the evidence, have your representatives change the law. As it is written, you are not entitled to the evidence and neither is the judge.

Why do you not want to follow the law? Do you consider yourself above it?

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Yeah, we don't want judges interpreting the law

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GrowlTowel said:

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Osodecentx said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Assassin said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Anyone else notice Sam is ducking the fact that none of these judges established standing or immediate threat for the plaintiffs?

Anyone else notice Sam cannot name a single 'Republican' judge who ordered the Biden or Obama Administrations to spend money on a program or agency they wanted to cut?

Just call him Democrat Sam from now on.

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Standing was never raised as an issue. Irreparable harm was established by the plaintiffs, in the opinion of the judge, and I don't know of any case where it was more obvious. Many detainees who were likely innocent are now caged in conditions that wouldn't be fit for animals, and there's no realistic hope for relief.

All because we couldn't wait a few days to punish us some brown people.

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likely innocent? So we are randomly picking up innocent people and shipping them off? LoL

Go sit down

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We're talking in some cases about victims of gang violence who had pending asylum claims.

---

Asylum claims are filed by persons outside the US that are trying to come to the US.

Nice try though.

---

See page 18 of the plaintiffs' memo, linked earlier.

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So whatever the gang members claim we take as gospel but whatever ICE tells us we have to suspect as lies until proven beyond a shadow of a doubt? Interesting.

---

It's almost like there's this weird "presumption of innocence." If only we had some reasonable process to follow…some way of hearing the evidence so we wouldn't have to take it on faith.

---

No, it's more like you choose to believe violent illegal alien gang members over the arresting agents because you don't like Orange Man Bad.

---

Why not have a hearing?

---

When the idea behind the invasion is to overwhelm the courts and be set free while awaiting trial, it becomes suicidal to ignore such designs and allow that overwhelming to happen anyway.

---

The courts are not overwhelmed with Tren de Aragua members. You're taking Trump's metaphorical gang "invasion" (already a huge stretch) and conflating it with the alleged Democratic scheme to "invade" the country with left-leaning voters. But most immigrants fall under different laws with different rights and different burdens of proof from the AEA. Besides, the judge has made it clear that he has plenty of time for this case.

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Yes I'm sure an activist Obama judge WOULD say that. The fact is we saw unprecedented levels of ILLEGAL immigration. Claiming each person who manages to swim the river deserves a day in court is suicide for an immigration system. Because of the backlog and unprecedented levels of illegal aliens flooding our country with the aid and direction of democrats, we now must expedite the most dangerous criminals. I know I know, it's racist to think the people you assume are brown should be beholden to the law and all that bull ****, but your emotions and race card are meaningless in the face of the facts here. You have ZERO numbers that disprove the reports of massive amounts of gang members that took advantage of Biden's open border. You get that right? We all saw the apartment complexes being taken over. We can all use Google to find the reported number of illegals that flooded our country under Biden. But stuck with your "nuh uh!" and "facts are racist!" defense. Surely that will convince someone that our eyes are liars.

---

You forgot to add, the Tesla attacks are simply Democrat campers who were toasting marshmallows over open fire and it got a little out of hand

---

His entire argument is based on believing the word of the violent gang member over that of border patrol and ICE. "Well since I don't believe ICE..."

---

My argument is that we should hear the evidence. For some reason you fear this.

Trump really brings out the statist in you folks.

---

If you want to hear the evidence, have your representatives change the law. As it is written, you are not entitled to the evidence and neither is the judge.

Why do you not want to follow the law? Do you consider yourself above it?

---

Yeah, we don't want judges interpreting the law

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I think you mean inventing clauses in it where the executive must show evidence to a third party?

The judge certainly didn't interpret anything.

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Osodecentx said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Osodecentx said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Assassin said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Anyone else notice Sam is ducking the fact that none of these judges established standing or immediate threat for the plaintiffs?

Anyone else notice Sam cannot name a single 'Republican' judge who ordered the Biden or Obama Administrations to spend money on a program or agency they wanted to cut?

Just call him Democrat Sam from now on.

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Standing was never raised as an issue. Irreparable harm was established by the plaintiffs, in the opinion of the judge, and I don't know of any case where it was more obvious. Many detainees who were likely innocent are now caged in conditions that wouldn't be fit for animals, and there's no realistic hope for relief.

All because we couldn't wait a few days to punish us some brown people.

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likely innocent? So we are randomly picking up innocent people and shipping them off? LoL

Go sit down

---

We're talking in some cases about victims of gang violence who had pending asylum claims.

---

Asylum claims are filed by persons outside the US that are trying to come to the US.

Nice try though.

---

See page 18 of the plaintiffs' memo, linked earlier.

---

So whatever the gang members claim we take as gospel but whatever ICE tells us we have to suspect as lies until proven beyond a shadow of a doubt? Interesting.

---

It's almost like there's this weird "presumption of innocence." If only we had some reasonable process to follow…some way of hearing the evidence so we wouldn't have to take it on faith.

---

No, it's more like you choose to believe violent illegal alien gang members over the arresting agents because you don't like Orange Man Bad.

---

Why not have a hearing?

---

When the idea behind the invasion is to overwhelm the courts and be set free while awaiting trial, it becomes suicidal to ignore such designs and allow that overwhelming to happen anyway.

---

The courts are not overwhelmed with Tren de Aragua members. You're taking Trump's metaphorical gang "invasion" (already a huge stretch) and conflating it with the alleged Democratic scheme to "invade" the country with left-leaning voters. But most immigrants fall under different laws with different rights and different burdens of proof from the AEA. Besides, the judge has made it clear that he has plenty of time for this case.

---

Yes I'm sure an activist Obama judge WOULD say that. The fact is we saw unprecedented levels of ILLEGAL immigration. Claiming each person who manages to swim the river deserves a day in court is suicide for an immigration system. Because of the backlog and unprecedented levels of illegal aliens flooding our country with the aid and direction of democrats, we now must expedite the most dangerous criminals. I know I know, it's racist to think the people you assume are brown should be beholden to the law and all that bull ****, but your emotions and race card are meaningless in the face of the facts here. You have ZERO numbers that disprove the reports of massive amounts of gang members that took advantage of Biden's open border. You get that right? We all saw the apartment complexes being taken over. We can all use Google to find the reported number of illegals that flooded our country under Biden. But stuck with your "nuh uh!" and "facts are racist!" defense. Surely that will convince someone that our eyes are liars.

---

You forgot to add, the Tesla attacks are simply Democrat campers who were toasting marshmallows over open fire and it got a little out of hand

---

His entire argument is based on believing the word of the violent gang member over that of border patrol and ICE. "Well since I don't believe ICE..."

---

My argument is that we should hear the evidence. For some reason you fear this.

Trump really brings out the statist in you folks.

---

If you want to hear the evidence, have your representatives change the law. As it is written, you are not entitled to the evidence and neither is the judge.

Why do you not want to follow the law? Do you consider yourself above it?

---

Yeah, we don't want judges interpreting the law

---

I think you mean inventing clauses in it where the executive must show evidence to a third party?

The judge certainly didn't interpret anything.

---

Co-equal branch of government as per the Constitution
Checks and balances, remember? Marbury v Madison

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Osodecentx said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Osodecentx said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Assassin said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Anyone else notice Sam is ducking the fact that none of these judges established standing or immediate threat for the plaintiffs?

Anyone else notice Sam cannot name a single 'Republican' judge who ordered the Biden or Obama Administrations to spend money on a program or agency they wanted to cut?

Just call him Democrat Sam from now on.

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Standing was never raised as an issue. Irreparable harm was established by the plaintiffs, in the opinion of the judge, and I don't know of any case where it was more obvious. Many detainees who were likely innocent are now caged in conditions that wouldn't be fit for animals, and there's no realistic hope for relief.

All because we couldn't wait a few days to punish us some brown people.

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likely innocent? So we are randomly picking up innocent people and shipping them off? LoL

Go sit down

---

We're talking in some cases about victims of gang violence who had pending asylum claims.

---

Asylum claims are filed by persons outside the US that are trying to come to the US.

Nice try though.

---

See page 18 of the plaintiffs' memo, linked earlier.

---

So whatever the gang members claim we take as gospel but whatever ICE tells us we have to suspect as lies until proven beyond a shadow of a doubt? Interesting.

---

It's almost like there's this weird "presumption of innocence." If only we had some reasonable process to follow…some way of hearing the evidence so we wouldn't have to take it on faith.

---

No, it's more like you choose to believe violent illegal alien gang members over the arresting agents because you don't like Orange Man Bad.

---

Why not have a hearing?

---

When the idea behind the invasion is to overwhelm the courts and be set free while awaiting trial, it becomes suicidal to ignore such designs and allow that overwhelming to happen anyway.

---

The courts are not overwhelmed with Tren de Aragua members. You're taking Trump's metaphorical gang "invasion" (already a huge stretch) and conflating it with the alleged Democratic scheme to "invade" the country with left-leaning voters. But most immigrants fall under different laws with different rights and different burdens of proof from the AEA. Besides, the judge has made it clear that he has plenty of time for this case.

---

Yes I'm sure an activist Obama judge WOULD say that. The fact is we saw unprecedented levels of ILLEGAL immigration. Claiming each person who manages to swim the river deserves a day in court is suicide for an immigration system. Because of the backlog and unprecedented levels of illegal aliens flooding our country with the aid and direction of democrats, we now must expedite the most dangerous criminals. I know I know, it's racist to think the people you assume are brown should be beholden to the law and all that bull ****, but your emotions and race card are meaningless in the face of the facts here. You have ZERO numbers that disprove the reports of massive amounts of gang members that took advantage of Biden's open border. You get that right? We all saw the apartment complexes being taken over. We can all use Google to find the reported number of illegals that flooded our country under Biden. But stuck with your "nuh uh!" and "facts are racist!" defense. Surely that will convince someone that our eyes are liars.

---

You forgot to add, the Tesla attacks are simply Democrat campers who were toasting marshmallows over open fire and it got a little out of hand

---

His entire argument is based on believing the word of the violent gang member over that of border patrol and ICE. "Well since I don't believe ICE..."

---

My argument is that we should hear the evidence. For some reason you fear this.

Trump really brings out the statist in you folks.

---

If you want to hear the evidence, have your representatives change the law. As it is written, you are not entitled to the evidence and neither is the judge.

Why do you not want to follow the law? Do you consider yourself above it?

---

Yeah, we don't want judges interpreting the law

---

I think you mean inventing clauses in it where the executive must show evidence to a third party?

The judge certainly didn't interpret anything.

---

Co-equal branch of government as per the Constitution
Checks and balances, remember? Marbury v Madison

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Osodecentx said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Osodecentx said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Assassin said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Anyone else notice Sam is ducking the fact that none of these judges established standing or immediate threat for the plaintiffs?

Anyone else notice Sam cannot name a single 'Republican' judge who ordered the Biden or Obama Administrations to spend money on a program or agency they wanted to cut?

Just call him Democrat Sam from now on.

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Standing was never raised as an issue. Irreparable harm was established by the plaintiffs, in the opinion of the judge, and I don't know of any case where it was more obvious. Many detainees who were likely innocent are now caged in conditions that wouldn't be fit for animals, and there's no realistic hope for relief.

All because we couldn't wait a few days to punish us some brown people.

---

likely innocent? So we are randomly picking up innocent people and shipping them off? LoL

Go sit down

---

We're talking in some cases about victims of gang violence who had pending asylum claims.

---

Asylum claims are filed by persons outside the US that are trying to come to the US.

Nice try though.

---

See page 18 of the plaintiffs' memo, linked earlier.

---

So whatever the gang members claim we take as gospel but whatever ICE tells us we have to suspect as lies until proven beyond a shadow of a doubt? Interesting.

---

It's almost like there's this weird "presumption of innocence." If only we had some reasonable process to follow…some way of hearing the evidence so we wouldn't have to take it on faith.

---

No, it's more like you choose to believe violent illegal alien gang members over the arresting agents because you don't like Orange Man Bad.

---

Why not have a hearing?

---

When the idea behind the invasion is to overwhelm the courts and be set free while awaiting trial, it becomes suicidal to ignore such designs and allow that overwhelming to happen anyway.

---

The courts are not overwhelmed with Tren de Aragua members. You're taking Trump's metaphorical gang "invasion" (already a huge stretch) and conflating it with the alleged Democratic scheme to "invade" the country with left-leaning voters. But most immigrants fall under different laws with different rights and different burdens of proof from the AEA. Besides, the judge has made it clear that he has plenty of time for this case.

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Yes I'm sure an activist Obama judge WOULD say that. The fact is we saw unprecedented levels of ILLEGAL immigration. Claiming each person who manages to swim the river deserves a day in court is suicide for an immigration system. Because of the backlog and unprecedented levels of illegal aliens flooding our country with the aid and direction of democrats, we now must expedite the most dangerous criminals. I know I know, it's racist to think the people you assume are brown should be beholden to the law and all that bull ****, but your emotions and race card are meaningless in the face of the facts here. You have ZERO numbers that disprove the reports of massive amounts of gang members that took advantage of Biden's open border. You get that right? We all saw the apartment complexes being taken over. We can all use Google to find the reported number of illegals that flooded our country under Biden. But stuck with your "nuh uh!" and "facts are racist!" defense. Surely that will convince someone that our eyes are liars.

---

You forgot to add, the Tesla attacks are simply Democrat campers who were toasting marshmallows over open fire and it got a little out of hand

---

His entire argument is based on believing the word of the violent gang member over that of border patrol and ICE. "Well since I don't believe ICE..."

---

My argument is that we should hear the evidence. For some reason you fear this.

Trump really brings out the statist in you folks.

---

If you want to hear the evidence, have your representatives change the law. As it is written, you are not entitled to the evidence and neither is the judge.

Why do you not want to follow the law? Do you consider yourself above it?

---

Yeah, we don't want judges interpreting the law

---

I think you mean inventing clauses in it where the executive must show evidence to a third party?

The judge certainly didn't interpret anything.

---

Co-equal branch of government as per the Constitution
Checks and balances, remember? Marbury v Madison

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Assassin said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Anyone else notice Sam is ducking the fact that none of these judges established standing or immediate threat for the plaintiffs?

Anyone else notice Sam cannot name a single 'Republican' judge who ordered the Biden or Obama Administrations to spend money on a program or agency they wanted to cut?

Just call him Democrat Sam from now on.

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Standing was never raised as an issue. Irreparable harm was established by the plaintiffs, in the opinion of the judge, and I don't know of any case where it was more obvious. Many detainees who were likely innocent are now caged in conditions that wouldn't be fit for animals, and there's no realistic hope for relief.

All because we couldn't wait a few days to punish us some brown people.

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likely innocent? So we are randomly picking up innocent people and shipping them off? LoL

Go sit down

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We're talking in some cases about victims of gang violence who had pending asylum claims.

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Asylum claims are filed by persons outside the US that are trying to come to the US.

Nice try though.

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See page 18 of the plaintiffs' memo, linked earlier.

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So whatever the gang members claim we take as gospel but whatever ICE tells us we have to suspect as lies until proven beyond a shadow of a doubt? Interesting.

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It's almost like there's this weird "presumption of innocence." If only we had some reasonable process to follow…some way of hearing the evidence so we wouldn't have to take it on faith.

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No, it's more like you choose to believe violent illegal alien gang members over the arresting agents because you don't like Orange Man Bad.

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Why not have a hearing?

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When the idea behind the invasion is to overwhelm the courts and be set free while awaiting trial, it becomes suicidal to ignore such designs and allow that overwhelming to happen anyway.

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The courts are not overwhelmed with Tren de Aragua members. You're taking Trump's metaphorical gang "invasion" (already a huge stretch) and conflating it with the alleged Democratic scheme to "invade" the country with left-leaning voters. But most immigrants fall under different laws with different rights and different burdens of proof from the AEA. Besides, the judge has made it clear that he has plenty of time for this case.

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Yes I'm sure an activist Obama judge WOULD say that. The fact is we saw unprecedented levels of ILLEGAL immigration. Claiming each person who manages to swim the river deserves a day in court is suicide for an immigration system. Because of the backlog and unprecedented levels of illegal aliens flooding our country with the aid and direction of democrats, we now must expedite the most dangerous criminals. I know I know, it's racist to think the people you assume are brown should be beholden to the law and all that bull ****, but your emotions and race card are meaningless in the face of the facts here. You have ZERO numbers that disprove the reports of massive amounts of gang members that took advantage of Biden's open border. You get that right? We all saw the apartment complexes being taken over. We can all use Google to find the reported number of illegals that flooded our country under Biden. But stuck with your "nuh uh!" and "facts are racist!" defense. Surely that will convince someone that our eyes are liars.

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You forgot to add, the Tesla attacks are simply Democrat campers who were toasting marshmallows over open fire and it got a little out of hand

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His entire argument is based on believing the word of the violent gang member over that of border patrol and ICE. "Well since I don't believe ICE..."

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My argument is that we should hear the evidence. For some reason you fear this.

Trump really brings out the statist in you folks.

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If you want to hear the evidence, have your representatives change the law. As it is written, you are not entitled to the evidence and neither is the judge.

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Anyone else notice Sam is ducking the fact that none of these judges established standing or immediate threat for the plaintiffs?

Anyone else notice Sam cannot name a single 'Republican' judge who ordered the Biden or Obama Administrations to spend money on a program or agency they wanted to cut?

Just call him Democrat Sam from now on.

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Standing was never raised as an issue. Irreparable harm was established by the plaintiffs, in the opinion of the judge, and I don't know of any case where it was more obvious. Many detainees who were likely innocent are now caged in conditions that wouldn't be fit for animals, and there's no realistic hope for relief.

All because we couldn't wait a few days to punish us some brown people.

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likely innocent? So we are randomly picking up innocent people and shipping them off? LoL

Go sit down

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We're talking in some cases about victims of gang violence who had pending asylum claims.

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Asylum claims are filed by persons outside the US that are trying to come to the US.

Nice try though.

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See page 18 of the plaintiffs' memo, linked earlier.

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So whatever the gang members claim we take as gospel but whatever ICE tells us we have to suspect as lies until proven beyond a shadow of a doubt? Interesting.

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It's almost like there's this weird "presumption of innocence." If only we had some reasonable process to follow…some way of hearing the evidence so we wouldn't have to take it on faith.

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No, it's more like you choose to believe violent illegal alien gang members over the arresting agents because you don't like Orange Man Bad.

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I'm ready to hear evidence either way. That's what hearings are for. You believe whatever the government tells you to believe because Orange Man Good.

If this were Biden, you'd be shouting from the rooftops about how it was a shocking abuse of power and a danger to all of our liberties. And you'd be right. A huge hypocrite, but still absolutely right.

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No, I am pretty sure if Biden had ever given a **** about the country and started deporting criminals, not a sole on here would have *****ed out a note.

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Assassin said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Anyone else notice Sam is ducking the fact that none of these judges established standing or immediate threat for the plaintiffs?

Anyone else notice Sam cannot name a single 'Republican' judge who ordered the Biden or Obama Administrations to spend money on a program or agency they wanted to cut?

Just call him Democrat Sam from now on.

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Standing was never raised as an issue. Irreparable harm was established by the plaintiffs, in the opinion of the judge, and I don't know of any case where it was more obvious. Many detainees who were likely innocent are now caged in conditions that wouldn't be fit for animals, and there's no realistic hope for relief.

All because we couldn't wait a few days to punish us some brown people.

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likely innocent? So we are randomly picking up innocent people and shipping them off? LoL

Go sit down

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We're talking in some cases about victims of gang violence who had pending asylum claims.

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Asylum claims are filed by persons outside the US that are trying to come to the US.

Nice try though.

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See page 18 of the plaintiffs' memo, linked earlier.

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So whatever the gang members claim we take as gospel but whatever ICE tells us we have to suspect as lies until proven beyond a shadow of a doubt? Interesting.

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It's almost like there's this weird "presumption of innocence." If only we had some reasonable process to follow…some way of hearing the evidence so we wouldn't have to take it on faith.

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No, it's more like you choose to believe violent illegal alien gang members over the arresting agents because you don't like Orange Man Bad.

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Why not have a hearing?

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When the idea behind the invasion is to overwhelm the courts and be set free while awaiting trial, it becomes suicidal to ignore such designs and allow that overwhelming to happen anyway.

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The courts are not overwhelmed with Tren de Aragua members. You're taking Trump's metaphorical gang "invasion" (already a huge stretch) and conflating it with the alleged Democratic scheme to "invade" the country with left-leaning voters. But most immigrants fall under different laws with different rights and different burdens of proof from the AEA. Besides, the judge has made it clear that he has plenty of time for this case.

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Yes I'm sure an activist Obama judge WOULD say that. The fact is we saw unprecedented levels of ILLEGAL immigration. Claiming each person who manages to swim the river deserves a day in court is suicide for an immigration system. Because of the backlog and unprecedented levels of illegal aliens flooding our country with the aid and direction of democrats, we now must expedite the most dangerous criminals. I know I know, it's racist to think the people you assume are brown should be beholden to the law and all that bull ****, but your emotions and race card are meaningless in the face of the facts here. You have ZERO numbers that disprove the reports of massive amounts of gang members that took advantage of Biden's open border. You get that right? We all saw the apartment complexes being taken over. We can all use Google to find the reported number of illegals that flooded our country under Biden. But stuck with your "nuh uh!" and "facts are racist!" defense. Surely that will convince someone that our eyes are liars.

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You forgot to add, the Tesla attacks are simply Democrat campers who were toasting marshmallows over open fire and it got a little out of hand

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His entire argument is based on believing the word of the violent gang member over that of border patrol and ICE. "Well since I don't believe ICE..."

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My argument is that we should hear the evidence. For some reason you fear this.

Trump really brings out the statist in you folks.

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If you want to hear the evidence, have your representatives change the law. As it is written, you are not entitled to the evidence and neither is the judge.

Why do you not want to follow the law? Do you consider yourself above it?

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" The Left cannot be trusted on anything related to the law, economy, safety, national security, etc. Their abysmal record speaks volumes."

Right on dude! With Trump setting the standard for respecting the law, much less his record on national security we are in good hands, and that's just based on what he has done since this term, much less since January 6th, 2021. And with the Democrats having no clue they are lost in the wilderness don't know how to find themselves. Time to celebrate!

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historian said:

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Average is far preferable to any loon the fascists are likely to put forward. What sane person would want Bernie, AOC, Gov "hair gel" Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, etc in the White House??

The fascists have no leaders and are flailing about. Eventually they will pick someone just as radical and crazy as the public face of the party now. The scary part is that they might chose be another nobody out of nowhere, a blank canvas they can propagandize into someone acceptable like they did with Clinton & Obama. Like with them, it would be a bunch of lies and millions of foolish sheeple will believe it.

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KaiBear said:

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historian said:

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Average is far preferable to any loon the fascists are likely to put forward. What sane person would want Bernie, AOC, Gov "hair gel" Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, etc in the White House??

The fascists have no leaders and are flailing about. Eventually they will pick someone just as radical and crazy as the public face of the party now. The scary part is that they might chose be another nobody out of nowhere, a blank canvas they can propagandize into someone acceptable like they did with Clinton & Obama. Like with them, it would be a bunch of lies and millions of foolish sheeple will believe it.

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Vance is better than Pence….but just barely.

Doubt either would match up well against the governor of Pennsylvania.

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Robert Wilson said:

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historian said:

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Average is far preferable to any loon the fascists are likely to put forward. What sane person would want Bernie, AOC, Gov "hair gel" Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, etc in the White House??

The fascists have no leaders and are flailing about. Eventually they will pick someone just as radical and crazy as the public face of the party now. The scary part is that they might chose be another nobody out of nowhere, a blank canvas they can propagandize into someone acceptable like they did with Clinton & Obama. Like with them, it would be a bunch of lies and millions of foolish sheeple will believe it.

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Vance is better than Pence….but just barely.

Doubt either would match up well against the governor of Pennsylvania.

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Not even close. Vance has 30 IQ points on Pence

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BUDOS said:

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Just to clarify, are you indicating Democrats, which many of you claim are leftists are also fascists?

The reason I ask is based on the definition in a dictionary:

fascist
/fshst/

noun
An advocate or adherent of fascism.
A reactionary or dictatorial person.
An adherent of fascism or similar right-wing authoritarian views.

Just hoping you can clarify why you and some others are doing this.

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KaiBear said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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KaiBear said:

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historian said:

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Average is far preferable to any loon the fascists are likely to put forward. What sane person would want Bernie, AOC, Gov "hair gel" Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, etc in the White House??

The fascists have no leaders and are flailing about. Eventually they will pick someone just as radical and crazy as the public face of the party now. The scary part is that they might chose be another nobody out of nowhere, a blank canvas they can propagandize into someone acceptable like they did with Clinton & Obama. Like with them, it would be a bunch of lies and millions of foolish sheeple will believe it.

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Vance is better than Pence….but just barely.

Doubt either would match up well against the governor of Pennsylvania.

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Not even close. Vance has 30 IQ points on Pence

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Link ?

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KaiBear said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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KaiBear said:

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historian said:

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Average is far preferable to any loon the fascists are likely to put forward. What sane person would want Bernie, AOC, Gov "hair gel" Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, etc in the White House??

The fascists have no leaders and are flailing about. Eventually they will pick someone just as radical and crazy as the public face of the party now. The scary part is that they might chose be another nobody out of nowhere, a blank canvas they can propagandize into someone acceptable like they did with Clinton & Obama. Like with them, it would be a bunch of lies and millions of foolish sheeple will believe it.

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Vance is better than Pence….but just barely.

Doubt either would match up well against the governor of Pennsylvania.

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Not even close. Vance has 30 IQ points on Pence

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Link ?

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam, of course, will never admit to ever being wrong.

He will accuse everyone else on a regular basis, though.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam, of course, will never admit to ever being wrong.

He will accuse everyone else on a regular basis, though.

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Not accusing, but agreeing. Goldberg has good insights on fascism both historically and in present day America. Some may not like to hear when it hits too close to home.

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KaiBear said:

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Vance is very average.

Just read his autobiography and its hard to to avoid that conclusion.

Better choices out there.

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Sam Lowry said:

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BUDOS said:

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Just to clarify, are you indicating Democrats, which many of you claim are leftists are also fascists?

The reason I ask is based on the definition in a dictionary:

fascist
/fshst/

noun
An advocate or adherent of fascism.
A reactionary or dictatorial person.
An adherent of fascism or similar right-wing authoritarian views.

Just hoping you can clarify why you and some others are doing this.

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Jonah Goldberg wrote an excellent, if controversial, book about the Marxian and leftist origins of fascism. I highly recommend it.

Goldberg also assumed that American conservatives were immune to fascist tendencies because conservatives are not on the so-called "left" side of politics. He now understands that he was wrong. Historian has not yet figured this out.

https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/gfile/what-i-got-wrong-about-fascism/

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BUDOS said:

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Just to clarify, are you indicating Democrats, which many of you claim are leftists are also fascists?

The reason I ask is based on the definition in a dictionary:

fascist
/fshst/

noun
An advocate or adherent of fascism.
A reactionary or dictatorial person.
An adherent of fascism or similar right-wing authoritarian views.

Just hoping you can clarify why you and some others are doing this.

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Jonah Goldberg wrote an excellent, if controversial, book about the Marxian and leftist origins of fascism. I highly recommend it.

Goldberg also assumed that American conservatives were immune to fascist tendencies because conservatives are not on the so-called "left" side of politics. He now understands that he was wrong. Historian has not yet figured this out.

https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/gfile/what-i-got-wrong-about-fascism/

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The American right has almost nothing to do with classical fascism.

Because of the American Revolution its probably one of the most "anti-centralist" and "anti-State" rightwing movements on Earth.

[Benito Mussolini, who was the first to use the term for his political party in 1915, described fascism in The Doctrine of Fascism, published in 1932, as follows:

The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values interprets, develops, and potentiates the whole life of a people.
Fascism is a religious conception in which man is seen in his immanent relationship with a superior law and with an objective Will that transcends the particular individual and raises him to conscious membership of a spiritual society. Whoever has seen in the religious politics of the Fascist regime nothing but mere opportunism has not understood that Fascism besides being a system of government is also, and above all, a system of thought.]

[In a speech before the Chamber of Deputies on
26 May 1927, Mussolini said:
Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State. (Italian: Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato)]

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BUDOS said:

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Just to clarify, are you indicating Democrats, which many of you claim are leftists are also fascists?

The reason I ask is based on the definition in a dictionary:

fascist
/fshst/

noun
An advocate or adherent of fascism.
A reactionary or dictatorial person.
An adherent of fascism or similar right-wing authoritarian views.

Just hoping you can clarify why you and some others are doing this.

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Jonah Goldberg wrote an excellent, if controversial, book about the Marxian and leftist origins of fascism. I highly recommend it.

Goldberg also assumed that American conservatives were immune to fascist tendencies because conservatives are not on the so-called "left" side of politics. He now understands that he was wrong. Historian has not yet figured this out.

https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/gfile/what-i-got-wrong-about-fascism/

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The American right has almost nothing to do with classical fascism.

Because of the American Revolution its probably one of the most "anti-centralist" and "anti-State" rightwing movements on Earth.

[Benito Mussolini, who was the first to use the term for his political party in 1915, described fascism in The Doctrine of Fascism, published in 1932, as follows:

The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values interprets, develops, and potentiates the whole life of a people.
Fascism is a religious conception in which man is seen in his immanent relationship with a superior law and with an objective Will that transcends the particular individual and raises him to conscious membership of a spiritual society. Whoever has seen in the religious politics of the Fascist regime nothing but mere opportunism has not understood that Fascism besides being a system of government is also, and above all, a system of thought.]

[In a speech before the Chamber of Deputies on
26 May 1927, Mussolini said:
Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State. (Italian: Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato)]

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When fascism comes to America, it won't be wearing jackboots. MAGA is showing its statist colors more and more by the day.

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BUDOS said:

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Just to clarify, are you indicating Democrats, which many of you claim are leftists are also fascists?

The reason I ask is based on the definition in a dictionary:

fascist
/fshst/

noun
An advocate or adherent of fascism.
A reactionary or dictatorial person.
An adherent of fascism or similar right-wing authoritarian views.

Just hoping you can clarify why you and some others are doing this.

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Jonah Goldberg wrote an excellent, if controversial, book about the Marxian and leftist origins of fascism. I highly recommend it.

Goldberg also assumed that American conservatives were immune to fascist tendencies because conservatives are not on the so-called "left" side of politics. He now understands that he was wrong. Historian has not yet figured this out.

https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/gfile/what-i-got-wrong-about-fascism/

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The American right has almost nothing to do with classical fascism.

Because of the American Revolution its probably one of the most "anti-centralist" and "anti-State" rightwing movements on Earth.

[Benito Mussolini, who was the first to use the term for his political party in 1915, described fascism in The Doctrine of Fascism, published in 1932, as follows:

The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values interprets, develops, and potentiates the whole life of a people.
Fascism is a religious conception in which man is seen in his immanent relationship with a superior law and with an objective Will that transcends the particular individual and raises him to conscious membership of a spiritual society. Whoever has seen in the religious politics of the Fascist regime nothing but mere opportunism has not understood that Fascism besides being a system of government is also, and above all, a system of thought.]

[In a speech before the Chamber of Deputies on
26 May 1927, Mussolini said:
Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State. (Italian: Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato)]

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When fascism comes to America, it won't be wearing jackboots. MAGA is showing its statist colors more and more by the day.

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Fascism is here. A jackbooted Hungarian Jew that Joe Biden gave the Presidential Medal of Freedom too.

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