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Sam Lowry said:What the Supreme Court did after the fact is irrelevant to your claim. He was convicted of a felony.gtownbear said:
Sam,
You do see in the article where it states that "four misdemeanor charges" right? It states that the felony charge was dismissed by the Supreme Court. I stand by my previous statement.
LOL
You just wing it as you go.
Sam hates it when Satan loses.
He was a felony defendant. But let's not get bogged down in the technicalities of one case. One of the major newspapers (I think it was the Washington Post) tallied up the defendants not long after this claim started getting pushed. They didn't find a single misdemeanor defendant still being held by that time. There was some evidence of excessive delays and crowded conditions, which one judge in the district complained about, but those issues weren't limited to the J6 defendants. They had more to do with the pandemic and overall poor management or neglect of prisoner well-being. If that concerns you, join the club. That is assuming you're still interested now that all the J6 "patriots" have been pardoned and it's only the low-lifes who are suffering.gtownbear said:Total nonsense. The felony charge was thrown out by the Supreme Court Sam. Below is the quote for your convenience.Sam Lowry said:What the Supreme Court did after the fact is irrelevant to your claim. He was convicted of a felony.gtownbear said:
Sam,
You do see in the article where it states that "four misdemeanor charges" right? It states that the felony charge was dismissed by the Supreme Court. I stand by my previous statement.
Mr. Strand was sentenced to two years and eight months in prison after a Washington, D.C., jury found him guilty of a felony charge of obstruction of an official proceeding and four misdemeanor violations stemming from the Jan. 6, 2021, attack at the Capitol.
But the obstruction charge was erased after the Supreme Court ruled last month in the case of another Jan. 6 defendant that the government was misapplying the obstruction statute. Federal prosecutors had filed the charge against multiple other defendants in the attack at the Capitol, including Mr. Strand.
The bottom line is that you've fallen for another false narrative. There was no systematic mistreatment of the insurrectionists.
Sam's lies in this thread are less believable than his usual excuses.
That tends to prove my point. 850 arrested, only 80 left in pre-trial detention.gtownbear said:
https://www.iheart.com/content/2022-07-09-clay-travis-and-buck-sexton-julie-kelly-on-the-jan-6-political-prisoners/
As I re-read your post, I see what you're saying about the SCOTUS decision; you were originally talking about misdemeanor defendants having other charges tacked on. Apologies for not reading more carefully. The fact remains that the vast majority of defendants, including John Strand, were released pre-trial.
Sam gets his new name:
Not a single misdemeanor defendant held at what time? When? Pretty vague Sam. And as to your statement about the jail conditions in Washington D.C. not being limited to the J6 defendants, I would agree. Funny thing is that those jails are run totally by your democrats. Look up the trouble at the Fulton County Jails where numerous inmates have died due to poor conditions and insect infestations, again run totally by democrats.Sam Lowry said:He was a felony defendant. But let's not get bogged down in the technicalities of one case. One of the major newspapers (I think it was the Washington Post) tallied up the defendants not long after this claim started getting pushed. They didn't find a single misdemeanor defendant still being held by that time. There was some evidence of excessive delays and crowded conditions, which one judge in the district complained about, but those issues weren't limited to the J6 defendants. They had more to do with the pandemic and overall poor management or neglect of prisoner well-being. If that concerns you, join the club. That is assuming you're still interested now that all the J6 "patriots" have been pardoned and it's only the low-lifes who are suffering.gtownbear said:Total nonsense. The felony charge was thrown out by the Supreme Court Sam. Below is the quote for your convenience.Sam Lowry said:What the Supreme Court did after the fact is irrelevant to your claim. He was convicted of a felony.gtownbear said:
Sam,
You do see in the article where it states that "four misdemeanor charges" right? It states that the felony charge was dismissed by the Supreme Court. I stand by my previous statement.
Mr. Strand was sentenced to two years and eight months in prison after a Washington, D.C., jury found him guilty of a felony charge of obstruction of an official proceeding and four misdemeanor violations stemming from the Jan. 6, 2021, attack at the Capitol.
But the obstruction charge was erased after the Supreme Court ruled last month in the case of another Jan. 6 defendant that the government was misapplying the obstruction statute. Federal prosecutors had filed the charge against multiple other defendants in the attack at the Capitol, including Mr. Strand.
The bottom line is that you've fallen for another false narrative. There was no systematic mistreatment of the insurrectionists.
Now the J6 protesters were rounded up. The FBI spent thousands of hours going through tapes and videos to hunt down anyone close to the Capital that day. They admitted such. This was to send the message to never protest an election result again or your lives would be ruined emotionally, financially and you would serve major jail time. You can either believe this or not, but that is what happened. The Justice Department added on every possible charge to those at the Capital that day to extend the penalties as long as possible. Many misdemeanors were pushed to greater sentences with catch all violations which forced many defendants to accept plea deals of guilt in order to avoid trials in D.C. Courts where it was 95% democrat juries.
Some of the many defendants filed lawsuits against the Justice Department, one of which made it to the U.S. Supreme Court. They ruled for the J6 defendant that the felony charge used was unconstitutional and his felony conviction was removed and others had that same felony charge removed for the same reason. Simply put, many folks who went to the Capital that day were not troublemakers, but regular folks who had a legitimate beef over an election. They had no prior criminal history. And they were singled out by democrats and the Justice Department.
Those who were abused by the system in President Trump's opinion were pardoned. Many of their lives were still ruined through financial hardship and emotional stress, so it's not like they were made whole.
And you will have to remind me of one person charged with insurrection. I don't recall any.
Sam Lowry said:Charged with a felony, i.e. not a misdemeanor.gtownbear said:I refer you Sam to the link below. I will look up some others as the courts threw out some of the cases against January 6 defendants.Sam Lowry said:Those are not facts. Misdemeanor defendants were not held for years or in solitary confinement.gtownbear said:No I am talking about numerous Americans at the Capital on January 6 having all types of incidental charges added to misdemeanors to lengthen their potential sentences or in most cases get them to plead guilty rather than go to trial. And while all this was going on for years, many of them were denied bail so were held in the rotten D.C. jails, some in solitary confinement. So in fact these American Citizens had their civil rights taken away from them during this time due to the abuse of power by Attorney General Merrick Garland. That is what was taking place and many activist judges were culpable in agreeing with the prosecutors who said these folks were a danger to society and should remain in jail until trial even though most had no criminal record.quash said:gtownbear said:I would remind you that the guy you say asked for the violence and pardoned the violent asked for everyone to go "peacefully" to the Capital and protest and make their voices heard. And again numerous protesters on January 6 were arrested and kept in jail, many for periods in solitary confinement, for up to two years without trial and denied bail. They were saved by President Trump's second election and his pardons realizing how many of them were overcharged for misdemeanors while denied rights most are afforded without prior criminal records.quash said:gtownbear said:https://nypost.com/2023/03/08/an-egregious-denial-of-due-process-for-jan-6-protesters/quash said:gtownbear said:
Support for your assertion that Obama deportations were done without due process?
Again, because of the second grade level you're displaying, this is not about one individual.
I would assume he used warrants from Administrative Judges with deportation orders, and other pertinent laws like those caught just entering the country and were allowed to be removed and other means. One thing I am sure of is there were not three million civil trials for all of those Obama removed. The left just never complained because it was a democrat who did the removing rather than President Trump. When the media and the leftist groups whine and complain about an issue constantly in mass, it can bring real focus to something that otherwise would not be there, would you not agree.
As to the constant due process mantra I would ask about the January 6 defendants who the FBI spent an insane amount of time studying tens of thousands of hours of video to hunt down anyone at the Capital that day, and the Justice Department would bundle the infractions to increase jail time to years over minor misdemeanors in many cases. Furthermore, they denied many decent folks their civil rights and "due process" by keeping them in jail for up to two years awaiting trial in the seedy Washington D.C. jails. I don't recall any of you that complain about the unfair treatment of illegals who broke into the United States saying one thing about the unreasonable denial of those January 6 protesters due process rights. And they are American Citizens. Or did I miss it somehow?
The pardoned violent insurrectionists received due process. If it helps I'll give a short layman's version of due process: notice and an opportunity to be heard.
I am absolutely befuddled by your objection to exactly how law enforcement and prosecution works. Hours of investigative work followed by charges. Bundling infractions? Yeah, that's called a charging instrument and such bundling happens on a daily basis in every DA's office in the country.
Nothing biased about this, just a reporter who doesn't understand how our legal system works.
To address just one obvious bull**** claim: Defendant X didn't get most of the 41,000 hours of video. Oh noes.
Defendant X doesn't appear in all of that footage. EZ
Will some get reversals or remands? Probably some. I mean there's a thousand plus.
But we'll never know because the guy that asked for the violence pardoned the violent.
And the corrupt.
Anyone with $/influence/MAGA leanings. Sad!
Are you seriously crying about criminal rights?
Now those are the facts.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jul/29/john-strand-jan-6-defendant-said-he-endured-four-m/
J 6 was one of the saddest days in American history
Americans attacked our Capitol
Not even in the top 100.Osodecentx said:Sam Lowry said:Charged with a felony, i.e. not a misdemeanor.gtownbear said:I refer you Sam to the link below. I will look up some others as the courts threw out some of the cases against January 6 defendants.Sam Lowry said:Those are not facts. Misdemeanor defendants were not held for years or in solitary confinement.gtownbear said:No I am talking about numerous Americans at the Capital on January 6 having all types of incidental charges added to misdemeanors to lengthen their potential sentences or in most cases get them to plead guilty rather than go to trial. And while all this was going on for years, many of them were denied bail so were held in the rotten D.C. jails, some in solitary confinement. So in fact these American Citizens had their civil rights taken away from them during this time due to the abuse of power by Attorney General Merrick Garland. That is what was taking place and many activist judges were culpable in agreeing with the prosecutors who said these folks were a danger to society and should remain in jail until trial even though most had no criminal record.quash said:gtownbear said:I would remind you that the guy you say asked for the violence and pardoned the violent asked for everyone to go "peacefully" to the Capital and protest and make their voices heard. And again numerous protesters on January 6 were arrested and kept in jail, many for periods in solitary confinement, for up to two years without trial and denied bail. They were saved by President Trump's second election and his pardons realizing how many of them were overcharged for misdemeanors while denied rights most are afforded without prior criminal records.quash said:gtownbear said:https://nypost.com/2023/03/08/an-egregious-denial-of-due-process-for-jan-6-protesters/quash said:gtownbear said:
Support for your assertion that Obama deportations were done without due process?
Again, because of the second grade level you're displaying, this is not about one individual.
I would assume he used warrants from Administrative Judges with deportation orders, and other pertinent laws like those caught just entering the country and were allowed to be removed and other means. One thing I am sure of is there were not three million civil trials for all of those Obama removed. The left just never complained because it was a democrat who did the removing rather than President Trump. When the media and the leftist groups whine and complain about an issue constantly in mass, it can bring real focus to something that otherwise would not be there, would you not agree.
As to the constant due process mantra I would ask about the January 6 defendants who the FBI spent an insane amount of time studying tens of thousands of hours of video to hunt down anyone at the Capital that day, and the Justice Department would bundle the infractions to increase jail time to years over minor misdemeanors in many cases. Furthermore, they denied many decent folks their civil rights and "due process" by keeping them in jail for up to two years awaiting trial in the seedy Washington D.C. jails. I don't recall any of you that complain about the unfair treatment of illegals who broke into the United States saying one thing about the unreasonable denial of those January 6 protesters due process rights. And they are American Citizens. Or did I miss it somehow?
The pardoned violent insurrectionists received due process. If it helps I'll give a short layman's version of due process: notice and an opportunity to be heard.
I am absolutely befuddled by your objection to exactly how law enforcement and prosecution works. Hours of investigative work followed by charges. Bundling infractions? Yeah, that's called a charging instrument and such bundling happens on a daily basis in every DA's office in the country.
Nothing biased about this, just a reporter who doesn't understand how our legal system works.
To address just one obvious bull**** claim: Defendant X didn't get most of the 41,000 hours of video. Oh noes.
Defendant X doesn't appear in all of that footage. EZ
Will some get reversals or remands? Probably some. I mean there's a thousand plus.
But we'll never know because the guy that asked for the violence pardoned the violent.
And the corrupt.
Anyone with $/influence/MAGA leanings. Sad!
Are you seriously crying about criminal rights?
Now those are the facts.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jul/29/john-strand-jan-6-defendant-said-he-endured-four-m/
J 6 was one of the saddest days in American history
Americans attacked our Capitol
I changed my mind on mass deportations and now support them. During Trump’s first term I wasn’t keen on such action. Mainly because illegals from Mexico come to work and they work hard. How can you bear them any ill will. The issue is their anchor babies are leftists and grew up…
— Cernovich (@Cernovich) June 14, 2025
Millions of soccor moms somehow need to reach a similar conclusion.Doc Holliday said:I changed my mind on mass deportations and now support them. During Trump’s first term I wasn’t keen on such action. Mainly because illegals from Mexico come to work and they work hard. How can you bear them any ill will. The issue is their anchor babies are leftists and grew up…
— Cernovich (@Cernovich) June 14, 2025
This legal American says it all.
Legal Iranian immigrant wearing a Trump shirt is CONFRONTED by an old leftist at the gym. pic.twitter.com/mJNQK40jeb
— Mila Joy (@MilaLovesJoe) June 13, 2025
Great summary. No one knows what the liberal base are so easily brainwashed and unable to think for themselves. Apparently most of the record the View so they know what to say each daygtownbear said:
This legal American says it all.Legal Iranian immigrant wearing a Trump shirt is CONFRONTED by an old leftist at the gym. pic.twitter.com/mJNQK40jeb
— Mila Joy (@MilaLovesJoe) June 13, 2025
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LOS ANGELES WOMAN SLAMS ICE: "I have friends texting me...my gardener didn't show up, housekeeper didn't show...farmer's market is closed...everyone's scared...you're gonna have to do your own dishes, clean your own house, mow your own lawn!"pic.twitter.com/yLQPoCUS6d
— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) June 15, 2025
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Boo Hoo!
Or you could pay an American a decent, legal wage to do those jobs.
Or you could pay an American a decent, legal wage to do those jobs.
My first thought too. But she is a liberal. They are used to screwing both American and Illegal workers. That's why the working man has gone Republicanhistorian said:
Boo Hoo!
Or you could pay an American a decent, legal wage to do those jobs.
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You would think the liberal position would be "We shouldn't have illegals here just for cheap labor, they're human beings and they're more valuable than that".Assassin said:LOS ANGELES WOMAN SLAMS ICE: "I have friends texting me...my gardener didn't show up, housekeeper didn't show...farmer's market is closed...everyone's scared...you're gonna have to do your own dishes, clean your own house, mow your own lawn!"pic.twitter.com/yLQPoCUS6d
— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) June 15, 2025
But no, they want their cheap slave labor.
I'm not interested in which party runs the jails. Piling on charges is another thing that's fairly common. Trump and his people knew there was no legitimate beef; you were lied to. There were several charged and convicted of seditious conspiracy, which is more or less the same thing.gtownbear said:Not a single misdemeanor defendant held at what time? When? Pretty vague Sam. And as to your statement about the jail conditions in Washington D.C. not being limited to the J6 defendants, I would agree. Funny thing is that those jails are run totally by your democrats. Look up the trouble at the Fulton County Jails where numerous inmates have died due to poor conditions and insect infestations, again run totally by democrats.Sam Lowry said:He was a felony defendant. But let's not get bogged down in the technicalities of one case. One of the major newspapers (I think it was the Washington Post) tallied up the defendants not long after this claim started getting pushed. They didn't find a single misdemeanor defendant still being held by that time. There was some evidence of excessive delays and crowded conditions, which one judge in the district complained about, but those issues weren't limited to the J6 defendants. They had more to do with the pandemic and overall poor management or neglect of prisoner well-being. If that concerns you, join the club. That is assuming you're still interested now that all the J6 "patriots" have been pardoned and it's only the low-lifes who are suffering.gtownbear said:Total nonsense. The felony charge was thrown out by the Supreme Court Sam. Below is the quote for your convenience.Sam Lowry said:What the Supreme Court did after the fact is irrelevant to your claim. He was convicted of a felony.gtownbear said:
Sam,
You do see in the article where it states that "four misdemeanor charges" right? It states that the felony charge was dismissed by the Supreme Court. I stand by my previous statement.
Mr. Strand was sentenced to two years and eight months in prison after a Washington, D.C., jury found him guilty of a felony charge of obstruction of an official proceeding and four misdemeanor violations stemming from the Jan. 6, 2021, attack at the Capitol.
But the obstruction charge was erased after the Supreme Court ruled last month in the case of another Jan. 6 defendant that the government was misapplying the obstruction statute. Federal prosecutors had filed the charge against multiple other defendants in the attack at the Capitol, including Mr. Strand.
The bottom line is that you've fallen for another false narrative. There was no systematic mistreatment of the insurrectionists.
Now the J6 protesters were rounded up. The FBI spent thousands of hours going through tapes and videos to hunt down anyone close to the Capital that day. They admitted such. This was to send the message to never protest an election result again or your lives would be ruined emotionally, financially and you would serve major jail time. You can either believe this or not, but that is what happened. The Justice Department added on every possible charge to those at the Capital that day to extend the penalties as long as possible. Many misdemeanors were pushed to greater sentences with catch all violations which forced many defendants to accept plea deals of guilt in order to avoid trials in D.C. Courts where it was 95% democrat juries.
Some of the many defendants filed lawsuits against the Justice Department, one of which made it to the U.S. Supreme Court. They ruled for the J6 defendant that the felony charge used was unconstitutional and his felony conviction was removed and others had that same felony charge removed for the same reason. Simply put, many folks who went to the Capital that day were not troublemakers, but regular folks who had a legitimate beef over an election. They had no prior criminal history. And they were singled out by democrats and the Justice Department.
Those who were abused by the system in President Trump's opinion were pardoned. Many of their lives were still ruined through financial hardship and emotional stress, so it's not like they were made whole.
And you will have to remind me of one person charged with insurrection. I don't recall any.
The term insurrection has a sinister connotation and so you democrats always want to use that term when describing those at the Capital on Jan. 6. However in law it has a specific meaning and it does not apply to those at the Capital that day. That is why none of them were charged with that. You can parse it anyway you like.
You lost, Sam, while America won.
Cry more.
Cry more.
The only court to rule on that question has disagreed.gtownbear said:
The term insurrection has a sinister connotation and so you democrats always want to use that term when describing those at the Capital on Jan. 6. However in law it has a specific meaning and it does not apply to those at the Capital that day.
Also, I'm not a Democrat, even though many of you like to use the term for its sinister connotation.
By now Sam, we know for sure you are no American.
And it is that. Sinister with many hidden evilsSam Lowry said:The only court to rule on that question has disagreed.gtownbear said:
The term insurrection has a sinister connotation and so you democrats always want to use that term when describing those at the Capital on Jan. 6. However in law it has a specific meaning and it does not apply to those at the Capital that day.
Also, I'm not a Democrat, even though many of you like to use the term for its sinister connotation.
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🚨🚨🚨Another day, another crazy injunction: Now enjoining Secretary of State from issuing passports with accurate Male/Female designations. 1 pic.twitter.com/GSC7297IJJ
— Margot Cleveland (@ProfMJCleveland) June 17, 2025
Redbrickbear said:🚨🚨🚨Another day, another crazy injunction: Now enjoining Secretary of State from issuing passports with accurate Male/Female designations. 1 pic.twitter.com/GSC7297IJJ
— Margot Cleveland (@ProfMJCleveland) June 17, 2025
Are they to be deported?
This is an attack on the Capitol.Osodecentx said:Sam Lowry said:Charged with a felony, i.e. not a misdemeanor.gtownbear said:I refer you Sam to the link below. I will look up some others as the courts threw out some of the cases against January 6 defendants.Sam Lowry said:Those are not facts. Misdemeanor defendants were not held for years or in solitary confinement.gtownbear said:No I am talking about numerous Americans at the Capital on January 6 having all types of incidental charges added to misdemeanors to lengthen their potential sentences or in most cases get them to plead guilty rather than go to trial. And while all this was going on for years, many of them were denied bail so were held in the rotten D.C. jails, some in solitary confinement. So in fact these American Citizens had their civil rights taken away from them during this time due to the abuse of power by Attorney General Merrick Garland. That is what was taking place and many activist judges were culpable in agreeing with the prosecutors who said these folks were a danger to society and should remain in jail until trial even though most had no criminal record.quash said:gtownbear said:I would remind you that the guy you say asked for the violence and pardoned the violent asked for everyone to go "peacefully" to the Capital and protest and make their voices heard. And again numerous protesters on January 6 were arrested and kept in jail, many for periods in solitary confinement, for up to two years without trial and denied bail. They were saved by President Trump's second election and his pardons realizing how many of them were overcharged for misdemeanors while denied rights most are afforded without prior criminal records.quash said:gtownbear said:https://nypost.com/2023/03/08/an-egregious-denial-of-due-process-for-jan-6-protesters/quash said:gtownbear said:
Support for your assertion that Obama deportations were done without due process?
Again, because of the second grade level you're displaying, this is not about one individual.
I would assume he used warrants from Administrative Judges with deportation orders, and other pertinent laws like those caught just entering the country and were allowed to be removed and other means. One thing I am sure of is there were not three million civil trials for all of those Obama removed. The left just never complained because it was a democrat who did the removing rather than President Trump. When the media and the leftist groups whine and complain about an issue constantly in mass, it can bring real focus to something that otherwise would not be there, would you not agree.
As to the constant due process mantra I would ask about the January 6 defendants who the FBI spent an insane amount of time studying tens of thousands of hours of video to hunt down anyone at the Capital that day, and the Justice Department would bundle the infractions to increase jail time to years over minor misdemeanors in many cases. Furthermore, they denied many decent folks their civil rights and "due process" by keeping them in jail for up to two years awaiting trial in the seedy Washington D.C. jails. I don't recall any of you that complain about the unfair treatment of illegals who broke into the United States saying one thing about the unreasonable denial of those January 6 protesters due process rights. And they are American Citizens. Or did I miss it somehow?
The pardoned violent insurrectionists received due process. If it helps I'll give a short layman's version of due process: notice and an opportunity to be heard.
I am absolutely befuddled by your objection to exactly how law enforcement and prosecution works. Hours of investigative work followed by charges. Bundling infractions? Yeah, that's called a charging instrument and such bundling happens on a daily basis in every DA's office in the country.
Nothing biased about this, just a reporter who doesn't understand how our legal system works.
To address just one obvious bull**** claim: Defendant X didn't get most of the 41,000 hours of video. Oh noes.
Defendant X doesn't appear in all of that footage. EZ
Will some get reversals or remands? Probably some. I mean there's a thousand plus.
But we'll never know because the guy that asked for the violence pardoned the violent.
And the corrupt.
Anyone with $/influence/MAGA leanings. Sad!
Are you seriously crying about criminal rights?
Now those are the facts.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jul/29/john-strand-jan-6-defendant-said-he-endured-four-m/
J 6 was one of the saddest days in American history
Americans attacked our Capitol
https://www.senate.gov/about/historic-buildings-spaces/capitol/bomb-explodes-1983.htm
This is an attack on the Capitol.Osodecentx said:Sam Lowry said:Charged with a felony, i.e. not a misdemeanor.gtownbear said:I refer you Sam to the link below. I will look up some others as the courts threw out some of the cases against January 6 defendants.Sam Lowry said:Those are not facts. Misdemeanor defendants were not held for years or in solitary confinement.gtownbear said:No I am talking about numerous Americans at the Capital on January 6 having all types of incidental charges added to misdemeanors to lengthen their potential sentences or in most cases get them to plead guilty rather than go to trial. And while all this was going on for years, many of them were denied bail so were held in the rotten D.C. jails, some in solitary confinement. So in fact these American Citizens had their civil rights taken away from them during this time due to the abuse of power by Attorney General Merrick Garland. That is what was taking place and many activist judges were culpable in agreeing with the prosecutors who said these folks were a danger to society and should remain in jail until trial even though most had no criminal record.quash said:gtownbear said:I would remind you that the guy you say asked for the violence and pardoned the violent asked for everyone to go "peacefully" to the Capital and protest and make their voices heard. And again numerous protesters on January 6 were arrested and kept in jail, many for periods in solitary confinement, for up to two years without trial and denied bail. They were saved by President Trump's second election and his pardons realizing how many of them were overcharged for misdemeanors while denied rights most are afforded without prior criminal records.quash said:gtownbear said:https://nypost.com/2023/03/08/an-egregious-denial-of-due-process-for-jan-6-protesters/quash said:gtownbear said:
Support for your assertion that Obama deportations were done without due process?
Again, because of the second grade level you're displaying, this is not about one individual.
I would assume he used warrants from Administrative Judges with deportation orders, and other pertinent laws like those caught just entering the country and were allowed to be removed and other means. One thing I am sure of is there were not three million civil trials for all of those Obama removed. The left just never complained because it was a democrat who did the removing rather than President Trump. When the media and the leftist groups whine and complain about an issue constantly in mass, it can bring real focus to something that otherwise would not be there, would you not agree.
As to the constant due process mantra I would ask about the January 6 defendants who the FBI spent an insane amount of time studying tens of thousands of hours of video to hunt down anyone at the Capital that day, and the Justice Department would bundle the infractions to increase jail time to years over minor misdemeanors in many cases. Furthermore, they denied many decent folks their civil rights and "due process" by keeping them in jail for up to two years awaiting trial in the seedy Washington D.C. jails. I don't recall any of you that complain about the unfair treatment of illegals who broke into the United States saying one thing about the unreasonable denial of those January 6 protesters due process rights. And they are American Citizens. Or did I miss it somehow?
The pardoned violent insurrectionists received due process. If it helps I'll give a short layman's version of due process: notice and an opportunity to be heard.
I am absolutely befuddled by your objection to exactly how law enforcement and prosecution works. Hours of investigative work followed by charges. Bundling infractions? Yeah, that's called a charging instrument and such bundling happens on a daily basis in every DA's office in the country.
Nothing biased about this, just a reporter who doesn't understand how our legal system works.
To address just one obvious bull**** claim: Defendant X didn't get most of the 41,000 hours of video. Oh noes.
Defendant X doesn't appear in all of that footage. EZ
Will some get reversals or remands? Probably some. I mean there's a thousand plus.
But we'll never know because the guy that asked for the violence pardoned the violent.
And the corrupt.
Anyone with $/influence/MAGA leanings. Sad!
Are you seriously crying about criminal rights?
Now those are the facts.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jul/29/john-strand-jan-6-defendant-said-he-endured-four-m/
J 6 was one of the saddest days in American history
Americans attacked our Capitol
https://www.nytimes.com/1971/03/02/archives/bomb-in-capitol-causes-wide-damage-capitol-bombing-does-wide-damage.html
KaiBear said:Not even in the top 100.Osodecentx said:Sam Lowry said:Charged with a felony, i.e. not a misdemeanor.gtownbear said:I refer you Sam to the link below. I will look up some others as the courts threw out some of the cases against January 6 defendants.Sam Lowry said:Those are not facts. Misdemeanor defendants were not held for years or in solitary confinement.gtownbear said:No I am talking about numerous Americans at the Capital on January 6 having all types of incidental charges added to misdemeanors to lengthen their potential sentences or in most cases get them to plead guilty rather than go to trial. And while all this was going on for years, many of them were denied bail so were held in the rotten D.C. jails, some in solitary confinement. So in fact these American Citizens had their civil rights taken away from them during this time due to the abuse of power by Attorney General Merrick Garland. That is what was taking place and many activist judges were culpable in agreeing with the prosecutors who said these folks were a danger to society and should remain in jail until trial even though most had no criminal record.quash said:gtownbear said:I would remind you that the guy you say asked for the violence and pardoned the violent asked for everyone to go "peacefully" to the Capital and protest and make their voices heard. And again numerous protesters on January 6 were arrested and kept in jail, many for periods in solitary confinement, for up to two years without trial and denied bail. They were saved by President Trump's second election and his pardons realizing how many of them were overcharged for misdemeanors while denied rights most are afforded without prior criminal records.quash said:gtownbear said:https://nypost.com/2023/03/08/an-egregious-denial-of-due-process-for-jan-6-protesters/quash said:gtownbear said:
Support for your assertion that Obama deportations were done without due process?
Again, because of the second grade level you're displaying, this is not about one individual.
I would assume he used warrants from Administrative Judges with deportation orders, and other pertinent laws like those caught just entering the country and were allowed to be removed and other means. One thing I am sure of is there were not three million civil trials for all of those Obama removed. The left just never complained because it was a democrat who did the removing rather than President Trump. When the media and the leftist groups whine and complain about an issue constantly in mass, it can bring real focus to something that otherwise would not be there, would you not agree.
As to the constant due process mantra I would ask about the January 6 defendants who the FBI spent an insane amount of time studying tens of thousands of hours of video to hunt down anyone at the Capital that day, and the Justice Department would bundle the infractions to increase jail time to years over minor misdemeanors in many cases. Furthermore, they denied many decent folks their civil rights and "due process" by keeping them in jail for up to two years awaiting trial in the seedy Washington D.C. jails. I don't recall any of you that complain about the unfair treatment of illegals who broke into the United States saying one thing about the unreasonable denial of those January 6 protesters due process rights. And they are American Citizens. Or did I miss it somehow?
The pardoned violent insurrectionists received due process. If it helps I'll give a short layman's version of due process: notice and an opportunity to be heard.
I am absolutely befuddled by your objection to exactly how law enforcement and prosecution works. Hours of investigative work followed by charges. Bundling infractions? Yeah, that's called a charging instrument and such bundling happens on a daily basis in every DA's office in the country.
Nothing biased about this, just a reporter who doesn't understand how our legal system works.
To address just one obvious bull**** claim: Defendant X didn't get most of the 41,000 hours of video. Oh noes.
Defendant X doesn't appear in all of that footage. EZ
Will some get reversals or remands? Probably some. I mean there's a thousand plus.
But we'll never know because the guy that asked for the violence pardoned the violent.
And the corrupt.
Anyone with $/influence/MAGA leanings. Sad!
Are you seriously crying about criminal rights?
Now those are the facts.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jul/29/john-strand-jan-6-defendant-said-he-endured-four-m/
J 6 was one of the saddest days in American history
Americans attacked our Capitol
Exactly
It's like people forget the Capitol was literally bombed in the 1980s….and of course the British burned the White House and most of DC in the war of 1812.
America bounced right back
Boggles the mind when people call Jan. 6 the worst attack on the Capitol since the Civil War. This is 1983, outside the Senate chamber. Bomb was intended to kill lawmakers but last-minute schedule change saved their lives. https://t.co/guytTAU0eR pic.twitter.com/nH0ecKQQTI
— Susan Ferrechio (@susanferrechio) June 7, 2021
#OnThisDay 24th August 1814 British troops set the White House ablaze as they sack Washington D.C. thought to be retaliation for the Americans burning York, Canada, the year before.#OTD 🇺🇸 pic.twitter.com/SxCmsnjg2X
— Marcus Cribb (@mcribbHistory) August 24, 2023
November 7, 2020 is probably the worst day this century. That's the day the Biden terror ring startedRedbrickbear said:KaiBear said:Not even in the top 100.Osodecentx said:Sam Lowry said:Charged with a felony, i.e. not a misdemeanor.gtownbear said:I refer you Sam to the link below. I will look up some others as the courts threw out some of the cases against January 6 defendants.Sam Lowry said:Those are not facts. Misdemeanor defendants were not held for years or in solitary confinement.gtownbear said:No I am talking about numerous Americans at the Capital on January 6 having all types of incidental charges added to misdemeanors to lengthen their potential sentences or in most cases get them to plead guilty rather than go to trial. And while all this was going on for years, many of them were denied bail so were held in the rotten D.C. jails, some in solitary confinement. So in fact these American Citizens had their civil rights taken away from them during this time due to the abuse of power by Attorney General Merrick Garland. That is what was taking place and many activist judges were culpable in agreeing with the prosecutors who said these folks were a danger to society and should remain in jail until trial even though most had no criminal record.quash said:gtownbear said:I would remind you that the guy you say asked for the violence and pardoned the violent asked for everyone to go "peacefully" to the Capital and protest and make their voices heard. And again numerous protesters on January 6 were arrested and kept in jail, many for periods in solitary confinement, for up to two years without trial and denied bail. They were saved by President Trump's second election and his pardons realizing how many of them were overcharged for misdemeanors while denied rights most are afforded without prior criminal records.quash said:gtownbear said:https://nypost.com/2023/03/08/an-egregious-denial-of-due-process-for-jan-6-protesters/quash said:gtownbear said:
Support for your assertion that Obama deportations were done without due process?
Again, because of the second grade level you're displaying, this is not about one individual.
I would assume he used warrants from Administrative Judges with deportation orders, and other pertinent laws like those caught just entering the country and were allowed to be removed and other means. One thing I am sure of is there were not three million civil trials for all of those Obama removed. The left just never complained because it was a democrat who did the removing rather than President Trump. When the media and the leftist groups whine and complain about an issue constantly in mass, it can bring real focus to something that otherwise would not be there, would you not agree.
As to the constant due process mantra I would ask about the January 6 defendants who the FBI spent an insane amount of time studying tens of thousands of hours of video to hunt down anyone at the Capital that day, and the Justice Department would bundle the infractions to increase jail time to years over minor misdemeanors in many cases. Furthermore, they denied many decent folks their civil rights and "due process" by keeping them in jail for up to two years awaiting trial in the seedy Washington D.C. jails. I don't recall any of you that complain about the unfair treatment of illegals who broke into the United States saying one thing about the unreasonable denial of those January 6 protesters due process rights. And they are American Citizens. Or did I miss it somehow?
The pardoned violent insurrectionists received due process. If it helps I'll give a short layman's version of due process: notice and an opportunity to be heard.
I am absolutely befuddled by your objection to exactly how law enforcement and prosecution works. Hours of investigative work followed by charges. Bundling infractions? Yeah, that's called a charging instrument and such bundling happens on a daily basis in every DA's office in the country.
Nothing biased about this, just a reporter who doesn't understand how our legal system works.
To address just one obvious bull**** claim: Defendant X didn't get most of the 41,000 hours of video. Oh noes.
Defendant X doesn't appear in all of that footage. EZ
Will some get reversals or remands? Probably some. I mean there's a thousand plus.
But we'll never know because the guy that asked for the violence pardoned the violent.
And the corrupt.
Anyone with $/influence/MAGA leanings. Sad!
Are you seriously crying about criminal rights?
Now those are the facts.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jul/29/john-strand-jan-6-defendant-said-he-endured-four-m/
J 6 was one of the saddest days in American history
Americans attacked our Capitol
Exactly
It's like people forget the Capitol was literally bombed in the 1980s….and of course the British burned the White House and most of DC in the war of 1812.
America bounced right backBoggles the mind when people call Jan. 6 the worst attack on the Capitol since the Civil War. This is 1983, outside the Senate chamber. Bomb was intended to kill lawmakers but last-minute schedule change saved their lives. https://t.co/guytTAU0eR pic.twitter.com/nH0ecKQQTI
— Susan Ferrechio (@susanferrechio) June 7, 2021#OnThisDay 24th August 1814 British troops set the White House ablaze as they sack Washington D.C. thought to be retaliation for the Americans burning York, Canada, the year before.#OTD 🇺🇸 pic.twitter.com/SxCmsnjg2X
— Marcus Cribb (@mcribbHistory) August 24, 2023
Facebook Groups at; Memories of Dallas, Mem of Texas, Mem of Football in Texas, Mem Texas Music and Through a Texas Lens. Come visit! Over 100,000 members and 100,000 regular visitors
It's not really about the building.Redbrickbear said:KaiBear said:Not even in the top 100.Osodecentx said:Sam Lowry said:Charged with a felony, i.e. not a misdemeanor.gtownbear said:I refer you Sam to the link below. I will look up some others as the courts threw out some of the cases against January 6 defendants.Sam Lowry said:Those are not facts. Misdemeanor defendants were not held for years or in solitary confinement.gtownbear said:No I am talking about numerous Americans at the Capital on January 6 having all types of incidental charges added to misdemeanors to lengthen their potential sentences or in most cases get them to plead guilty rather than go to trial. And while all this was going on for years, many of them were denied bail so were held in the rotten D.C. jails, some in solitary confinement. So in fact these American Citizens had their civil rights taken away from them during this time due to the abuse of power by Attorney General Merrick Garland. That is what was taking place and many activist judges were culpable in agreeing with the prosecutors who said these folks were a danger to society and should remain in jail until trial even though most had no criminal record.quash said:gtownbear said:I would remind you that the guy you say asked for the violence and pardoned the violent asked for everyone to go "peacefully" to the Capital and protest and make their voices heard. And again numerous protesters on January 6 were arrested and kept in jail, many for periods in solitary confinement, for up to two years without trial and denied bail. They were saved by President Trump's second election and his pardons realizing how many of them were overcharged for misdemeanors while denied rights most are afforded without prior criminal records.quash said:gtownbear said:https://nypost.com/2023/03/08/an-egregious-denial-of-due-process-for-jan-6-protesters/quash said:gtownbear said:
Support for your assertion that Obama deportations were done without due process?
Again, because of the second grade level you're displaying, this is not about one individual.
I would assume he used warrants from Administrative Judges with deportation orders, and other pertinent laws like those caught just entering the country and were allowed to be removed and other means. One thing I am sure of is there were not three million civil trials for all of those Obama removed. The left just never complained because it was a democrat who did the removing rather than President Trump. When the media and the leftist groups whine and complain about an issue constantly in mass, it can bring real focus to something that otherwise would not be there, would you not agree.
As to the constant due process mantra I would ask about the January 6 defendants who the FBI spent an insane amount of time studying tens of thousands of hours of video to hunt down anyone at the Capital that day, and the Justice Department would bundle the infractions to increase jail time to years over minor misdemeanors in many cases. Furthermore, they denied many decent folks their civil rights and "due process" by keeping them in jail for up to two years awaiting trial in the seedy Washington D.C. jails. I don't recall any of you that complain about the unfair treatment of illegals who broke into the United States saying one thing about the unreasonable denial of those January 6 protesters due process rights. And they are American Citizens. Or did I miss it somehow?
The pardoned violent insurrectionists received due process. If it helps I'll give a short layman's version of due process: notice and an opportunity to be heard.
I am absolutely befuddled by your objection to exactly how law enforcement and prosecution works. Hours of investigative work followed by charges. Bundling infractions? Yeah, that's called a charging instrument and such bundling happens on a daily basis in every DA's office in the country.
Nothing biased about this, just a reporter who doesn't understand how our legal system works.
To address just one obvious bull**** claim: Defendant X didn't get most of the 41,000 hours of video. Oh noes.
Defendant X doesn't appear in all of that footage. EZ
Will some get reversals or remands? Probably some. I mean there's a thousand plus.
But we'll never know because the guy that asked for the violence pardoned the violent.
And the corrupt.
Anyone with $/influence/MAGA leanings. Sad!
Are you seriously crying about criminal rights?
Now those are the facts.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jul/29/john-strand-jan-6-defendant-said-he-endured-four-m/
J 6 was one of the saddest days in American history
Americans attacked our Capitol
Exactly
It's like people forget the Capitol was literally bombed in the 1980s….and of course the British burned the White House and most of DC in the war of 1812.
America bounced right back
If an open, violent attempt to nullify a valid election isn't a sad day for the republic, I don't know what to say. It remains to be seen whether we bounce back.
No one said it wasn't sad. Just that there are sadder moments in our history.Sam Lowry said:It's not really about the building.Redbrickbear said:KaiBear said:Not even in the top 100.Osodecentx said:Sam Lowry said:Charged with a felony, i.e. not a misdemeanor.gtownbear said:I refer you Sam to the link below. I will look up some others as the courts threw out some of the cases against January 6 defendants.Sam Lowry said:Those are not facts. Misdemeanor defendants were not held for years or in solitary confinement.gtownbear said:No I am talking about numerous Americans at the Capital on January 6 having all types of incidental charges added to misdemeanors to lengthen their potential sentences or in most cases get them to plead guilty rather than go to trial. And while all this was going on for years, many of them were denied bail so were held in the rotten D.C. jails, some in solitary confinement. So in fact these American Citizens had their civil rights taken away from them during this time due to the abuse of power by Attorney General Merrick Garland. That is what was taking place and many activist judges were culpable in agreeing with the prosecutors who said these folks were a danger to society and should remain in jail until trial even though most had no criminal record.quash said:gtownbear said:I would remind you that the guy you say asked for the violence and pardoned the violent asked for everyone to go "peacefully" to the Capital and protest and make their voices heard. And again numerous protesters on January 6 were arrested and kept in jail, many for periods in solitary confinement, for up to two years without trial and denied bail. They were saved by President Trump's second election and his pardons realizing how many of them were overcharged for misdemeanors while denied rights most are afforded without prior criminal records.quash said:gtownbear said:https://nypost.com/2023/03/08/an-egregious-denial-of-due-process-for-jan-6-protesters/quash said:gtownbear said:
Support for your assertion that Obama deportations were done without due process?
Again, because of the second grade level you're displaying, this is not about one individual.
I would assume he used warrants from Administrative Judges with deportation orders, and other pertinent laws like those caught just entering the country and were allowed to be removed and other means. One thing I am sure of is there were not three million civil trials for all of those Obama removed. The left just never complained because it was a democrat who did the removing rather than President Trump. When the media and the leftist groups whine and complain about an issue constantly in mass, it can bring real focus to something that otherwise would not be there, would you not agree.
As to the constant due process mantra I would ask about the January 6 defendants who the FBI spent an insane amount of time studying tens of thousands of hours of video to hunt down anyone at the Capital that day, and the Justice Department would bundle the infractions to increase jail time to years over minor misdemeanors in many cases. Furthermore, they denied many decent folks their civil rights and "due process" by keeping them in jail for up to two years awaiting trial in the seedy Washington D.C. jails. I don't recall any of you that complain about the unfair treatment of illegals who broke into the United States saying one thing about the unreasonable denial of those January 6 protesters due process rights. And they are American Citizens. Or did I miss it somehow?
The pardoned violent insurrectionists received due process. If it helps I'll give a short layman's version of due process: notice and an opportunity to be heard.
I am absolutely befuddled by your objection to exactly how law enforcement and prosecution works. Hours of investigative work followed by charges. Bundling infractions? Yeah, that's called a charging instrument and such bundling happens on a daily basis in every DA's office in the country.
Nothing biased about this, just a reporter who doesn't understand how our legal system works.
To address just one obvious bull**** claim: Defendant X didn't get most of the 41,000 hours of video. Oh noes.
Defendant X doesn't appear in all of that footage. EZ
Will some get reversals or remands? Probably some. I mean there's a thousand plus.
But we'll never know because the guy that asked for the violence pardoned the violent.
And the corrupt.
Anyone with $/influence/MAGA leanings. Sad!
Are you seriously crying about criminal rights?
Now those are the facts.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jul/29/john-strand-jan-6-defendant-said-he-endured-four-m/
J 6 was one of the saddest days in American history
Americans attacked our Capitol
Exactly
It's like people forget the Capitol was literally bombed in the 1980s….and of course the British burned the White House and most of DC in the war of 1812.
America bounced right back
If an open, violent attempt to nullify a valid election isn't a sad day for the republic, I don't know what to say. It remains to be seen whether we bounce back.
The bombing wasn't about the building either. It was attempted assassination of many members of Congress. We've been fortunate to have avoided such mass assassinations in our federal history. Perspective is eluding you here.
Name 100 and put it in perspective for me.EatMoreSalmon said:No one said it wasn't sad. Just that there are sadder moments in our history.Sam Lowry said:It's not really about the building.Redbrickbear said:KaiBear said:Not even in the top 100.Osodecentx said:Sam Lowry said:Charged with a felony, i.e. not a misdemeanor.gtownbear said:I refer you Sam to the link below. I will look up some others as the courts threw out some of the cases against January 6 defendants.Sam Lowry said:Those are not facts. Misdemeanor defendants were not held for years or in solitary confinement.gtownbear said:No I am talking about numerous Americans at the Capital on January 6 having all types of incidental charges added to misdemeanors to lengthen their potential sentences or in most cases get them to plead guilty rather than go to trial. And while all this was going on for years, many of them were denied bail so were held in the rotten D.C. jails, some in solitary confinement. So in fact these American Citizens had their civil rights taken away from them during this time due to the abuse of power by Attorney General Merrick Garland. That is what was taking place and many activist judges were culpable in agreeing with the prosecutors who said these folks were a danger to society and should remain in jail until trial even though most had no criminal record.quash said:gtownbear said:I would remind you that the guy you say asked for the violence and pardoned the violent asked for everyone to go "peacefully" to the Capital and protest and make their voices heard. And again numerous protesters on January 6 were arrested and kept in jail, many for periods in solitary confinement, for up to two years without trial and denied bail. They were saved by President Trump's second election and his pardons realizing how many of them were overcharged for misdemeanors while denied rights most are afforded without prior criminal records.quash said:gtownbear said:https://nypost.com/2023/03/08/an-egregious-denial-of-due-process-for-jan-6-protesters/quash said:gtownbear said:
Support for your assertion that Obama deportations were done without due process?
Again, because of the second grade level you're displaying, this is not about one individual.
I would assume he used warrants from Administrative Judges with deportation orders, and other pertinent laws like those caught just entering the country and were allowed to be removed and other means. One thing I am sure of is there were not three million civil trials for all of those Obama removed. The left just never complained because it was a democrat who did the removing rather than President Trump. When the media and the leftist groups whine and complain about an issue constantly in mass, it can bring real focus to something that otherwise would not be there, would you not agree.
As to the constant due process mantra I would ask about the January 6 defendants who the FBI spent an insane amount of time studying tens of thousands of hours of video to hunt down anyone at the Capital that day, and the Justice Department would bundle the infractions to increase jail time to years over minor misdemeanors in many cases. Furthermore, they denied many decent folks their civil rights and "due process" by keeping them in jail for up to two years awaiting trial in the seedy Washington D.C. jails. I don't recall any of you that complain about the unfair treatment of illegals who broke into the United States saying one thing about the unreasonable denial of those January 6 protesters due process rights. And they are American Citizens. Or did I miss it somehow?
The pardoned violent insurrectionists received due process. If it helps I'll give a short layman's version of due process: notice and an opportunity to be heard.
I am absolutely befuddled by your objection to exactly how law enforcement and prosecution works. Hours of investigative work followed by charges. Bundling infractions? Yeah, that's called a charging instrument and such bundling happens on a daily basis in every DA's office in the country.
Nothing biased about this, just a reporter who doesn't understand how our legal system works.
To address just one obvious bull**** claim: Defendant X didn't get most of the 41,000 hours of video. Oh noes.
Defendant X doesn't appear in all of that footage. EZ
Will some get reversals or remands? Probably some. I mean there's a thousand plus.
But we'll never know because the guy that asked for the violence pardoned the violent.
And the corrupt.
Anyone with $/influence/MAGA leanings. Sad!
Are you seriously crying about criminal rights?
Now those are the facts.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jul/29/john-strand-jan-6-defendant-said-he-endured-four-m/
J 6 was one of the saddest days in American history
Americans attacked our Capitol
Exactly
It's like people forget the Capitol was literally bombed in the 1980s….and of course the British burned the White House and most of DC in the war of 1812.
America bounced right back
If an open, violent attempt to nullify a valid election isn't a sad day for the republic, I don't know what to say. It remains to be seen whether we bounce back.
If an attempt to mass assassinate members of Congress isn't sadder…Sam Lowry said:Name 100 and put it in perspective for me.EatMoreSalmon said:No one said it wasn't sad. Just that there are sadder moments in our history.Sam Lowry said:It's not really about the building.Redbrickbear said:KaiBear said:Not even in the top 100.Osodecentx said:Sam Lowry said:Charged with a felony, i.e. not a misdemeanor.gtownbear said:I refer you Sam to the link below. I will look up some others as the courts threw out some of the cases against January 6 defendants.Sam Lowry said:Those are not facts. Misdemeanor defendants were not held for years or in solitary confinement.gtownbear said:No I am talking about numerous Americans at the Capital on January 6 having all types of incidental charges added to misdemeanors to lengthen their potential sentences or in most cases get them to plead guilty rather than go to trial. And while all this was going on for years, many of them were denied bail so were held in the rotten D.C. jails, some in solitary confinement. So in fact these American Citizens had their civil rights taken away from them during this time due to the abuse of power by Attorney General Merrick Garland. That is what was taking place and many activist judges were culpable in agreeing with the prosecutors who said these folks were a danger to society and should remain in jail until trial even though most had no criminal record.quash said:gtownbear said:I would remind you that the guy you say asked for the violence and pardoned the violent asked for everyone to go "peacefully" to the Capital and protest and make their voices heard. And again numerous protesters on January 6 were arrested and kept in jail, many for periods in solitary confinement, for up to two years without trial and denied bail. They were saved by President Trump's second election and his pardons realizing how many of them were overcharged for misdemeanors while denied rights most are afforded without prior criminal records.quash said:gtownbear said:https://nypost.com/2023/03/08/an-egregious-denial-of-due-process-for-jan-6-protesters/quash said:gtownbear said:
Support for your assertion that Obama deportations were done without due process?
Again, because of the second grade level you're displaying, this is not about one individual.
I would assume he used warrants from Administrative Judges with deportation orders, and other pertinent laws like those caught just entering the country and were allowed to be removed and other means. One thing I am sure of is there were not three million civil trials for all of those Obama removed. The left just never complained because it was a democrat who did the removing rather than President Trump. When the media and the leftist groups whine and complain about an issue constantly in mass, it can bring real focus to something that otherwise would not be there, would you not agree.
As to the constant due process mantra I would ask about the January 6 defendants who the FBI spent an insane amount of time studying tens of thousands of hours of video to hunt down anyone at the Capital that day, and the Justice Department would bundle the infractions to increase jail time to years over minor misdemeanors in many cases. Furthermore, they denied many decent folks their civil rights and "due process" by keeping them in jail for up to two years awaiting trial in the seedy Washington D.C. jails. I don't recall any of you that complain about the unfair treatment of illegals who broke into the United States saying one thing about the unreasonable denial of those January 6 protesters due process rights. And they are American Citizens. Or did I miss it somehow?
The pardoned violent insurrectionists received due process. If it helps I'll give a short layman's version of due process: notice and an opportunity to be heard.
I am absolutely befuddled by your objection to exactly how law enforcement and prosecution works. Hours of investigative work followed by charges. Bundling infractions? Yeah, that's called a charging instrument and such bundling happens on a daily basis in every DA's office in the country.
Nothing biased about this, just a reporter who doesn't understand how our legal system works.
To address just one obvious bull**** claim: Defendant X didn't get most of the 41,000 hours of video. Oh noes.
Defendant X doesn't appear in all of that footage. EZ
Will some get reversals or remands? Probably some. I mean there's a thousand plus.
But we'll never know because the guy that asked for the violence pardoned the violent.
And the corrupt.
Anyone with $/influence/MAGA leanings. Sad!
Are you seriously crying about criminal rights?
Now those are the facts.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jul/29/john-strand-jan-6-defendant-said-he-endured-four-m/
J 6 was one of the saddest days in American history
Americans attacked our Capitol
Exactly
It's like people forget the Capitol was literally bombed in the 1980s….and of course the British burned the White House and most of DC in the war of 1812.
America bounced right back
If an open, violent attempt to nullify a valid election isn't a sad day for the republic, I don't know what to say. It remains to be seen whether we bounce back.
You will have to ask kaibear about that many sadder events. Now if you include all of the events in single wars separately, then that would be easy - unless high loss of life is not sadder to you.
Stop trying to be funny. "Valid election". Not funny at allSam Lowry said:It's not really about the building.Redbrickbear said:KaiBear said:Not even in the top 100.Osodecentx said:Sam Lowry said:Charged with a felony, i.e. not a misdemeanor.gtownbear said:I refer you Sam to the link below. I will look up some others as the courts threw out some of the cases against January 6 defendants.Sam Lowry said:Those are not facts. Misdemeanor defendants were not held for years or in solitary confinement.gtownbear said:No I am talking about numerous Americans at the Capital on January 6 having all types of incidental charges added to misdemeanors to lengthen their potential sentences or in most cases get them to plead guilty rather than go to trial. And while all this was going on for years, many of them were denied bail so were held in the rotten D.C. jails, some in solitary confinement. So in fact these American Citizens had their civil rights taken away from them during this time due to the abuse of power by Attorney General Merrick Garland. That is what was taking place and many activist judges were culpable in agreeing with the prosecutors who said these folks were a danger to society and should remain in jail until trial even though most had no criminal record.quash said:gtownbear said:I would remind you that the guy you say asked for the violence and pardoned the violent asked for everyone to go "peacefully" to the Capital and protest and make their voices heard. And again numerous protesters on January 6 were arrested and kept in jail, many for periods in solitary confinement, for up to two years without trial and denied bail. They were saved by President Trump's second election and his pardons realizing how many of them were overcharged for misdemeanors while denied rights most are afforded without prior criminal records.quash said:gtownbear said:https://nypost.com/2023/03/08/an-egregious-denial-of-due-process-for-jan-6-protesters/quash said:gtownbear said:
Support for your assertion that Obama deportations were done without due process?
Again, because of the second grade level you're displaying, this is not about one individual.
I would assume he used warrants from Administrative Judges with deportation orders, and other pertinent laws like those caught just entering the country and were allowed to be removed and other means. One thing I am sure of is there were not three million civil trials for all of those Obama removed. The left just never complained because it was a democrat who did the removing rather than President Trump. When the media and the leftist groups whine and complain about an issue constantly in mass, it can bring real focus to something that otherwise would not be there, would you not agree.
As to the constant due process mantra I would ask about the January 6 defendants who the FBI spent an insane amount of time studying tens of thousands of hours of video to hunt down anyone at the Capital that day, and the Justice Department would bundle the infractions to increase jail time to years over minor misdemeanors in many cases. Furthermore, they denied many decent folks their civil rights and "due process" by keeping them in jail for up to two years awaiting trial in the seedy Washington D.C. jails. I don't recall any of you that complain about the unfair treatment of illegals who broke into the United States saying one thing about the unreasonable denial of those January 6 protesters due process rights. And they are American Citizens. Or did I miss it somehow?
The pardoned violent insurrectionists received due process. If it helps I'll give a short layman's version of due process: notice and an opportunity to be heard.
I am absolutely befuddled by your objection to exactly how law enforcement and prosecution works. Hours of investigative work followed by charges. Bundling infractions? Yeah, that's called a charging instrument and such bundling happens on a daily basis in every DA's office in the country.
Nothing biased about this, just a reporter who doesn't understand how our legal system works.
To address just one obvious bull**** claim: Defendant X didn't get most of the 41,000 hours of video. Oh noes.
Defendant X doesn't appear in all of that footage. EZ
Will some get reversals or remands? Probably some. I mean there's a thousand plus.
But we'll never know because the guy that asked for the violence pardoned the violent.
And the corrupt.
Anyone with $/influence/MAGA leanings. Sad!
Are you seriously crying about criminal rights?
Now those are the facts.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jul/29/john-strand-jan-6-defendant-said-he-endured-four-m/
J 6 was one of the saddest days in American history
Americans attacked our Capitol
Exactly
It's like people forget the Capitol was literally bombed in the 1980s….and of course the British burned the White House and most of DC in the war of 1812.
America bounced right back
If an open, violent attempt to nullify a valid election isn't a sad day for the republic, I don't know what to say. It remains to be seen whether we bounce back.
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