Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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quash said:

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gtownbear said:

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I have seen numerous articles with factual support that state Garcia was an MS-13 gang member.

https://ijr.com/doj-releases-full-dossier-of-evidence-that-abrego-garcia-was-ms-13/

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Yay. Present that in court. That's where the state gets to take advantage of due process and have their opportunity to be heard.

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It was. Twice.

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It's really sad that you know that due process was not part of either of those proceedings and can still say this.

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You chose to back the gang bangers, and the more facts that come out the worse you look

You are choosing some very poor hills to die on, and pretending the gangers didn't get due process because you don't like what they got is not helping your argument.

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ScottS said:

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Quash loves gang bangers. Maybe they bring his firm business.

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Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Wage suppression? what do you mean?

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[A surplus of labor will lead to increased competition among job seekers, driving wages down as workers are willing to accept lower pay to secure employment.] the immigrants are already here and absorbed into the economy. It appears to me that wages continue to rise.

[In a situation of excess supply in the labor market, with many applicants for every job opening, employers will have an incentive to offer lower wages than they otherwise would have. Nurses' salary will move down toward equilibrium.]

Flood any country will migrants and wages will decline or remain stagnant

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quash said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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quash said:

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gtownbear said:

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I have seen numerous articles with factual support that state Garcia was an MS-13 gang member.

https://ijr.com/doj-releases-full-dossier-of-evidence-that-abrego-garcia-was-ms-13/

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Yay. Present that in court. That's where the state gets to take advantage of due process and have their opportunity to be heard.

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It was. Twice.

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It's really sad that you know that due process was not part of either of those proceedings and can still say this.

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GrowlTowel said:

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quash said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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quash said:

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gtownbear said:

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I have seen numerous articles with factual support that state Garcia was an MS-13 gang member.

https://ijr.com/doj-releases-full-dossier-of-evidence-that-abrego-garcia-was-ms-13/

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Yay. Present that in court. That's where the state gets to take advantage of due process and have their opportunity to be heard.

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It was. Twice.

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It's really sad that you know that due process was not part of either of those proceedings and can still say this.

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If you want to play that game then tell me what right, liberty, or property that was taken away from the thug sent back to his country?

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quash said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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quash said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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quash said:

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gtownbear said:

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I have seen numerous articles with factual support that state Garcia was an MS-13 gang member.

https://ijr.com/doj-releases-full-dossier-of-evidence-that-abrego-garcia-was-ms-13/

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Yay. Present that in court. That's where the state gets to take advantage of due process and have their opportunity to be heard.

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It was. Twice.

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It's really sad that you know that due process was not part of either of those proceedings and can still say this.

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If you want to play that game then tell me what right, liberty, or property that was taken away from the thug sent back to his country?

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Fifth and Fourteenth due process.

Geez.

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Assassin said:

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A MS 13 terrorist, sent home. His hand slapped.

And the left wants to keep him in the country until they think they can win the midterms or the 2028s. Then if they win, they will pay El Salvador to send an El Salvadorian citizen to the USA so he can continue beating women and human trafficking

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Redbrickbear said:

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Assassin said:

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A MS 13 terrorist, sent home. His hand slapped.

And the left wants to keep him in the country until they think they can win the midterms or the 2028s. Then if they win, they will pay El Salvador to send an El Salvadorian citizen to the USA so he can continue beating women and human trafficking

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Tells you how far that party has gone off the rails.

Their own internal numbers must tell them that the party faithful are energized by the idea of fighting for return of a illegal immigrant (and most likely MS 13 gang member)

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🚨BREAKING: U.S. District Judge Jennifer Thurston puts out an order banning Border Patrol from arresting criminal aliens without a warrant
pic.twitter.com/n7wIRBKg1y

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) April 30, 2025

Assassin said:

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Here's a new one. I suspect it will be the one that causes the Supreme Court to do something about all these outlaw judges

🚨BREAKING: U.S. District Judge Jennifer Thurston puts out an order banning Border Patrol from arresting criminal aliens without a warrant
pic.twitter.com/n7wIRBKg1y

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) April 30, 2025

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gtownbear said:

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I sure hope so. What's wrong with these judges? Pure evil.

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quash said:

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gtownbear said:

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I sure hope so. What's wrong with these judges? Pure evil.

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They follow the law

Scalia would tell you if you don't like it blame Congress for the way the laws are written.

But I guess you'd blame the founders for the Constitution.

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GrowlTowel said:

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quash said:

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gtownbear said:

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I sure hope so. What's wrong with these judges? Pure evil.

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They follow the law

Scalia would tell you if you don't like it blame Congress for the way the laws are written.

But I guess you'd blame the founders for the Constitution.

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Which law?

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historian said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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You are looking at politics and I'm looking at economics. The Austrian School is a branch of economics, essentially capitalism iodates for modern conditions. Those other issues are irrelevant to the discussion.

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What I'm saying is, strictly in terms of economics, foreign workers migrating across the border is a good thing from the Austrian point of view. It's nothing but supply and demand in action. The immigration restrictions that you favor are an example of the government messing things up.

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Only if they come legally. You obviously have no idea what kind of immigration restrictions I favor do you should not jump to conclusions. You look foolish going so.

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That doesn't change the economic analysis. Whether legally or not, they are meeting a demand.

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They are seriously only meeting the demand by the party elites for more Democrat party voters over the last four years.
Again, if you have to import voters illegally to stay in power, you are not legit.

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Noncitizen voting is vanishingly rare, despite what Trump would have you believe.

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Not really. Instead more and more reports are coming out of illegal voting in 2024. It's quite possible that Trump's landslide victory was bigger than anyone realizes once one filters out all the fraudulent votes for Kamala, many by illegals with no right to vote in the US.

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"Reports" meaning fake news from Truth Social.

In any case, you're kind of making my point. It's not really about economics.

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No. News reports from a variety of sources. I did not see any from Truth Social since I'm not on it and I don't think any of the stories I've seen referenced it.

The most recent is about illegals voting in Wisconsin but I recall stories about this issue in multiple states. If memory serves, at least one or two reports included responses by various govt agencies to address the problem.

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GrowlTowel said:

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quash said:

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gtownbear said:

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I sure hope so. What's wrong with these judges? Pure evil.

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They follow the law

Scalia would tell you if you don't like it blame Congress for the way the laws are written.

But I guess you'd blame the founders for the Constitution.

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Which law?

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GrowlTowel said:

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quash said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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quash said:

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gtownbear said:

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I have seen numerous articles with factual support that state Garcia was an MS-13 gang member.

https://ijr.com/doj-releases-full-dossier-of-evidence-that-abrego-garcia-was-ms-13/

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Yay. Present that in court. That's where the state gets to take advantage of due process and have their opportunity to be heard.

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It was. Twice.

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It's really sad that you know that due process was not part of either of those proceedings and can still say this.

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If you want to play that game then tell me what right, liberty, or property that was taken away from the thug sent back to his country?

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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quash said:

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gtownbear said:

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I sure hope so. What's wrong with these judges? Pure evil.

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They follow the law

Scalia would tell you if you don't like it blame Congress for the way the laws are written.

But I guess you'd blame the founders for the Constitution.

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Which law?

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8 USC 1357.

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Assassin said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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quash said:

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gtownbear said:

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I sure hope so. What's wrong with these judges? Pure evil.

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They follow the law

Scalia would tell you if you don't like it blame Congress for the way the laws are written.

But I guess you'd blame the founders for the Constitution.

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Which law?

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Democrat Law 802.19. Thou shalt obstruct, obstruct, obstruct without regard for the American public

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quash said:

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ScottS said:

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Quash loves gang bangers. Maybe they bring his firm business.

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First, the evidence of gang membership should be litigated. If the state has evidence it can be produced during due process.

Second, you're a liar

Does that help you in your business? I wouldn't think so but...

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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quash said:

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gtownbear said:

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I sure hope so. What's wrong with these judges? Pure evil.

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They follow the law

Scalia would tell you if you don't like it blame Congress for the way the laws are written.

But I guess you'd blame the founders for the Constitution.

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Which law?

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8 USC 1357.

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Why do you think she is blocking that law?

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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quash said:

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gtownbear said:

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I sure hope so. What's wrong with these judges? Pure evil.

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They follow the law

Scalia would tell you if you don't like it blame Congress for the way the laws are written.

But I guess you'd blame the founders for the Constitution.

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Which law?

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8 USC 1357.

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Why do you think she is blocking that law?

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She isn't. She's just ordering the Border Patrol to comply with it.

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gtownbear said:

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I thought it was illegal for employers to hire most of these millions. Many of their interests are to murder, rape and pillage American Citizens.

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ScottS said:

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gtownbear said:

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I thought it was illegal for employers to hire most of these millions. Many of their interests are to murder, rape and pillage American Citizens.

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Wait...I thought they were just here to pick vegetables.

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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quash said:

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gtownbear said:

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I have seen numerous articles with factual support that state Garcia was an MS-13 gang member.

https://ijr.com/doj-releases-full-dossier-of-evidence-that-abrego-garcia-was-ms-13/

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Yay. Present that in court. That's where the state gets to take advantage of due process and have their opportunity to be heard.

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It was. Twice.

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It's really sad that you know that due process was not part of either of those proceedings and can still say this.

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You chose to back the gang bangers, and the more facts that come out the worse you look

You are choosing some very poor hills to die on, and pretending the gangers didn't get due process because you don't like what they got is not helping your argument.

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You never could see the difference between the issue and the people it affects.

My support for the 5th and 14th amendments, the Constitution, is not support for the people who may have done things nobody likes

Nobody.

But you've never made that distinction

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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historian said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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You are looking at politics and I'm looking at economics. The Austrian School is a branch of economics, essentially capitalism iodates for modern conditions. Those other issues are irrelevant to the discussion.

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What I'm saying is, strictly in terms of economics, foreign workers migrating across the border is a good thing from the Austrian point of view. It's nothing but supply and demand in action. The immigration restrictions that you favor are an example of the government messing things up.

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Only if they come legally. You obviously have no idea what kind of immigration restrictions I favor do you should not jump to conclusions. You look foolish going so.

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That doesn't change the economic analysis. Whether legally or not, they are meeting a demand.

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They are seriously only meeting the demand by the party elites for more Democrat party voters over the last four years.
Again, if you have to import voters illegally to stay in power, you are not legit.

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Noncitizen voting is vanishingly rare, despite what Trump would have you believe.

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Not really. Instead more and more reports are coming out of illegal voting in 2024. It's quite possible that Trump's landslide victory was bigger than anyone realizes once one filters out all the fraudulent votes for Kamala, many by illegals with no right to vote in the US.

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Do you have any evidence of significant numbers of illegals voting?

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The 2020 election comes to mind.

And you asked for evidence, not proof.

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Sorry, I meant evidence.

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It's there. Not gonna rehash that whole thing, but it's there.

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Assassin said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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historian said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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You are looking at politics and I'm looking at economics. The Austrian School is a branch of economics, essentially capitalism iodates for modern conditions. Those other issues are irrelevant to the discussion.

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What I'm saying is, strictly in terms of economics, foreign workers migrating across the border is a good thing from the Austrian point of view. It's nothing but supply and demand in action. The immigration restrictions that you favor are an example of the government messing things up.

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Only if they come legally. You obviously have no idea what kind of immigration restrictions I favor do you should not jump to conclusions. You look foolish going so.

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That doesn't change the economic analysis. Whether legally or not, they are meeting a demand.

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They are seriously only meeting the demand by the party elites for more Democrat party voters over the last four years.
Again, if you have to import voters illegally to stay in power, you are not legit.

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Noncitizen voting is vanishingly rare, despite what Trump would have you believe.

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Not really. Instead more and more reports are coming out of illegal voting in 2024. It's quite possible that Trump's landslide victory was bigger than anyone realizes once one filters out all the fraudulent votes for Kamala, many by illegals with no right to vote in the US.

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Do you have any evidence of significant numbers of illegals voting?

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The 2020 election comes to mind.

And you asked for evidence, not proof.

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15-20 million magical voters. No one knows where they disappeared to. Still

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Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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historian said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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You are looking at politics and I'm looking at economics. The Austrian School is a branch of economics, essentially capitalism iodates for modern conditions. Those other issues are irrelevant to the discussion.

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What I'm saying is, strictly in terms of economics, foreign workers migrating across the border is a good thing from the Austrian point of view. It's nothing but supply and demand in action. The immigration restrictions that you favor are an example of the government messing things up.

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Only if they come legally. You obviously have no idea what kind of immigration restrictions I favor do you should not jump to conclusions. You look foolish going so.

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That doesn't change the economic analysis. Whether legally or not, they are meeting a demand.

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They are seriously only meeting the demand by the party elites for more Democrat party voters over the last four years.
Again, if you have to import voters illegally to stay in power, you are not legit.

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Noncitizen voting is vanishingly rare, despite what Trump would have you believe.

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Not really. Instead more and more reports are coming out of illegal voting in 2024. It's quite possible that Trump's landslide victory was bigger than anyone realizes once one filters out all the fraudulent votes for Kamala, many by illegals with no right to vote in the US.

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Do you have any evidence of significant numbers of illegals voting?

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The 2020 election comes to mind.

And you asked for evidence, not proof.

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15-20 million magical voters. No one knows where they disappeared to. Still

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They didn't disappear, they didn't vote.

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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quash said:

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gtownbear said:

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I sure hope so. What's wrong with these judges? Pure evil.

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They follow the law

Scalia would tell you if you don't like it blame Congress for the way the laws are written.

But I guess you'd blame the founders for the Constitution.

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Which law?

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8 USC 1357.

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Why do you think she is blocking that law?

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She isn't. She's just ordering the Border Patrol to comply with it.

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8 USC 1357. (a) Powers without warrant Any officer or employee of the Service authorized under regulations prescribed by the Attorney General shall have power without warrant

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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quash said:

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gtownbear said:

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I have seen numerous articles with factual support that state Garcia was an MS-13 gang member.

https://ijr.com/doj-releases-full-dossier-of-evidence-that-abrego-garcia-was-ms-13/

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Yay. Present that in court. That's where the state gets to take advantage of due process and have their opportunity to be heard.

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It was. Twice.

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It's really sad that you know that due process was not part of either of those proceedings and can still say this.

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You chose to back the gang bangers, and the more facts that come out the worse you look

You are choosing some very poor hills to die on, and pretending the gangers didn't get due process because you don't like what they got is not helping your argument.

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You never could see the difference between the issue and the people it affects.

My support for the 5th and 14th amendments, the Constitution, is not support for the people who may have done things nobody likes

Nobody.

But you've never made that distinction

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We're not deporting actual decent people, we're deporting monsters that thirty years ago even Democrats agreed were filth and should never be anywhere near our citizens, let alone stealing their benefits and threatening their lives.

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