Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

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Especially when we don't follow the law.

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Cry me a river sam

We wouldn't have these problems if Biden didn't illegally let in 10 million people

You expect perfection from the trump administration when the government has shown it can't do anything correctly but waste and steal taxpayer money.

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Cry me a river yourself. Nobody here likes Biden. Being butt-hurt over his policies doesn't give you the right to scapegoat potentially innocent people. Doing so endangers you, me, and all of us.

Y'all just need to deal with your emotions and let the courts do their job. They can handle it.

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How is this guy an innocent? Court documents which I posted earlier prove he is a member of MS 13. And he is illegally in the country.

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If the government accused you of being a gang member and denied your request for bond, would you say they had proven their case against you? No need for trial, just proceed to sentencing?

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This guy had several years to prove he was not MS13. He declined

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Sam Lowry said:

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gtownbear said:

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All of these individuals broke our laws to enter our country, thus disrespecting our country as their first act. I am quite certain all or nearly all of them will be gang members or dangerous criminals who we all should want and be glad are out of our country for good. Many lives and heartaches to innocent American citizens will be saved. Round them all up and get them out. Send the message that you come in legally or we will find you and deport you.

And unless you are in favor of judicial tyranny, these activist district judges must be constrained. The country cannot have a district judge assume Presidential power, overriding the will of the people. These nationwide injunctions never used to occur. But look up how many times in Trump's first term it happened and how totally out of control it is at the beginning of his second term. It is the left's fall back position since they have lost the Presidency and the House and Senate and Supreme Court. They resort to judge shopping at the district court level resulting in injunction after injunction against every policy President Trump initiates, slowing or stopping his governing mandate.

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Trump does at least as much judge-shopping or forum-shopping as anyone else. And the TROs and injunctions against him are coming from a diverse group of judges, both Republican and Democrat. Judges should follow the law as I see it, not the "will of the people."

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U.S. District Judge Anthony Trenga just blocked the CIA and the Office of Director of National Intelligence from firing employees who worked on DEI initiatives pic.twitter.com/M02Oh7hUmN

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) April 1, 2025

Redbrickbear said:

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U.S. District Judge Anthony Trenga just blocked the CIA and the Office of Director of National Intelligence from firing employees who worked on DEI initiatives pic.twitter.com/M02Oh7hUmN

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) April 1, 2025

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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gtownbear said:

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All of these individuals broke our laws to enter our country, thus disrespecting our country as their first act. I am quite certain all or nearly all of them will be gang members or dangerous criminals who we all should want and be glad are out of our country for good. Many lives and heartaches to innocent American citizens will be saved. Round them all up and get them out. Send the message that you come in legally or we will find you and deport you.

And unless you are in favor of judicial tyranny, these activist district judges must be constrained. The country cannot have a district judge assume Presidential power, overriding the will of the people. These nationwide injunctions never used to occur. But look up how many times in Trump's first term it happened and how totally out of control it is at the beginning of his second term. It is the left's fall back position since they have lost the Presidency and the House and Senate and Supreme Court. They resort to judge shopping at the district court level resulting in injunction after injunction against every policy President Trump initiates, slowing or stopping his governing mandate.

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Trump does at least as much judge-shopping or forum-shopping as anyone else. And the TROs and injunctions against him are coming from a diverse group of judges, both Republican and Democrat. Judges should follow the law as I see it, not the "will of the people."

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FIFY

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Oldbear83 said:

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I will believe the Justice Department professionals

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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gtownbear said:

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All of these individuals broke our laws to enter our country, thus disrespecting our country as their first act. I am quite certain all or nearly all of them will be gang members or dangerous criminals who we all should want and be glad are out of our country for good. Many lives and heartaches to innocent American citizens will be saved. Round them all up and get them out. Send the message that you come in legally or we will find you and deport you.

And unless you are in favor of judicial tyranny, these activist district judges must be constrained. The country cannot have a district judge assume Presidential power, overriding the will of the people. These nationwide injunctions never used to occur. But look up how many times in Trump's first term it happened and how totally out of control it is at the beginning of his second term. It is the left's fall back position since they have lost the Presidency and the House and Senate and Supreme Court. They resort to judge shopping at the district court level resulting in injunction after injunction against every policy President Trump initiates, slowing or stopping his governing mandate.

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Trump does at least as much judge-shopping or forum-shopping as anyone else. And the TROs and injunctions against him are coming from a diverse group of judges, both Republican and Democrat. Judges should follow the law as I see it, not the "will of the people."

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FIFY

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"Will of the people" = the will of the people as you and gtownbear see it.

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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gtownbear said:

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All of these individuals broke our laws to enter our country, thus disrespecting our country as their first act. I am quite certain all or nearly all of them will be gang members or dangerous criminals who we all should want and be glad are out of our country for good. Many lives and heartaches to innocent American citizens will be saved. Round them all up and get them out. Send the message that you come in legally or we will find you and deport you.

And unless you are in favor of judicial tyranny, these activist district judges must be constrained. The country cannot have a district judge assume Presidential power, overriding the will of the people. These nationwide injunctions never used to occur. But look up how many times in Trump's first term it happened and how totally out of control it is at the beginning of his second term. It is the left's fall back position since they have lost the Presidency and the House and Senate and Supreme Court. They resort to judge shopping at the district court level resulting in injunction after injunction against every policy President Trump initiates, slowing or stopping his governing mandate.

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Trump does at least as much judge-shopping or forum-shopping as anyone else. And the TROs and injunctions against him are coming from a diverse group of judges, both Republican and Democrat. Judges should follow the law as I see it, not the "will of the people."

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FIFY

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"Will of the people" = the will of the people as you and gtownbear see it.

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Not a very good comeback. Do better. I know you have it in you

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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I will believe the Justice Department professionals

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That's a first.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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gtownbear said:

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All of these individuals broke our laws to enter our country, thus disrespecting our country as their first act. I am quite certain all or nearly all of them will be gang members or dangerous criminals who we all should want and be glad are out of our country for good. Many lives and heartaches to innocent American citizens will be saved. Round them all up and get them out. Send the message that you come in legally or we will find you and deport you.

And unless you are in favor of judicial tyranny, these activist district judges must be constrained. The country cannot have a district judge assume Presidential power, overriding the will of the people. These nationwide injunctions never used to occur. But look up how many times in Trump's first term it happened and how totally out of control it is at the beginning of his second term. It is the left's fall back position since they have lost the Presidency and the House and Senate and Supreme Court. They resort to judge shopping at the district court level resulting in injunction after injunction against every policy President Trump initiates, slowing or stopping his governing mandate.

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Trump does at least as much judge-shopping or forum-shopping as anyone else. And the TROs and injunctions against him are coming from a diverse group of judges, both Republican and Democrat. Judges should follow the law as I see it, not the "will of the people."

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FIFY

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"Will of the people" = the will of the people as you and gtownbear see it.

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Not a very good comeback. Do better. I know you have it in you

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It was a clarification, but yes, I can do better. Judges are not and should not be bound by the will of the people.

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fubar said:

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Is there anything TRUMP might do that would give you guys pause to consider "hey, not so sure this is OK"? Any hypothetical line HE might cross?

Anything?

Because he's now ignoring a court order.

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Fubar,
Are you in favor of bringing illegal gang members back into the country?

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Do you actually believe this was the only alternative?

These guys were in custody. The TRO was good for two weeks so that the issues could be hashed out. The order was clear. There is an appeals process. The alleged gang members were not a threat, and they could be kept in custody relatively cheaply.

Yet the TRUMP Administration chose to ignore. It knew what was coming.

I'm no fan of gangs, gang members, illegal aliens, or (for that matter) anybody seeking to harm another.

But I am a fan of the courts, separation of powers, and a check on unbridled use of power by any person or entity.

You apparently aren't.

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Oldbear83 said:

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TDS truly is a frightening, disabling condition.

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Assassin said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TDS truly is a frightening, disabling condition.

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It is, it's debilitating too!

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gtownbear said:

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My point is these activist judges through the injunctions are taking on powers that belong in the Executive Branch not the Judicial Branch. This is an assault on the separation of powers and the result is that the will of the people given to President Trump during the past election is being denied.

While I don't claim to be a lawyer, I am fairly certain that these injunctions are out of the ordinary in the way these district judges are presenting these rulings. We'll see how it plays out and when all the legal experts weigh in as their rulings are challenged in higher courts.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

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"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

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No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

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Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

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Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

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"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

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No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

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Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

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Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

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So why is Trump using the proclamation under the AEA rather than the INA?

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

---

"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

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No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

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Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

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Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

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So why is Trump using the proclamation under the AEA rather than the INA?

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I'm not sure yet. It may be what enables him to utilize this "terrorist" mega-prison (which is an absolutely horrific place). It also has the potential to vastly expand presidential power, which may be equally or more important to him.

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

---

"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

---

No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

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Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

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Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

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So why is Trump using the proclamation under the AEA rather than the INA?

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I'm not sure yet. It may be what enables him to utilize this "terrorist" mega-prison (which is an absolutely horrific place). It also has the potential to vastly expand presidential power, which may be equally or more important to him.

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I expect there's something else distinct about the procedures/processes. But maybe it's just they are picking out the particularly dangerous individuals to make sure that they don't just come back, which is what tends to happen.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

---

"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

---

No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

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Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

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Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

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So why is Trump using the proclamation under the AEA rather than the INA?

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I'm not sure yet. It may be what enables him to utilize this "terrorist" mega-prison (which is an absolutely horrific place). It also has the potential to vastly expand presidential power, which may be equally or more important to him.

---

I expect there's something else distinct about the procedures/processes. But maybe it's just they are picking out the particularly dangerous individuals to make sure that they don't just come back, which is what tends to happen.

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So they always say. Either way, conservatives are really going to love these powers when the next Democrat takes office and we get to see who they think is "dangerous."

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

---

"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

---

No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

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Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

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Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

---

So why is Trump using the proclamation under the AEA rather than the INA?

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I'm not sure yet. It may be what enables him to utilize this "terrorist" mega-prison (which is an absolutely horrific place). It also has the potential to vastly expand presidential power, which may be equally or more important to him.

---

I expect there's something else distinct about the procedures/processes. But maybe it's just they are picking out the particularly dangerous individuals to make sure that they don't just come back, which is what tends to happen.

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So they always say. Either way, conservatives are really going to love these powers when the next Democrat takes office and we get to see who they think is "dangerous."

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

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"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

---

No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

---

Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

---

Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

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So why is Trump using the proclamation under the AEA rather than the INA?

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I'm not sure yet. It may be what enables him to utilize this "terrorist" mega-prison (which is an absolutely horrific place). It also has the potential to vastly expand presidential power, which may be equally or more important to him.

---

I expect there's something else distinct about the procedures/processes. But maybe it's just they are picking out the particularly dangerous individuals to make sure that they don't just come back, which is what tends to happen.

---

So they always say. Either way, conservatives are really going to love these powers when the next Democrat takes office and we get to see who they think is "dangerous."

---

Wait, do you really believe that a Democrat will deport illegals and, if so, Republicans will complain about it?

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Quote:

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Most immigrants at risk of deportation from US are Christian, report finds
BY PETER SMITH
Updated 1:51 PM CDT, April 2, 2025

As many as four in five immigrants at risk of deportation from the United States are Christian, according to a new report that calls on their fellow believers to consider the impact of the Trump administration's aggressive deportation policies.

The report says about 10 million Christians are vulnerable to deportation and 7 million U.S. citizens who are Christian live in households where someone is at risk of deportation.

The report, under the auspices of major Catholic and evangelical organizations, draws on a range of data, including percentages of religious affiliation in various migrant and national populations and on an advocacy group's analysis of U.S. census data on migrants.

Even the fear of deportation could cause people to avoid going to public places--such as worship services. In an era when a growing number of people in the U.S. don't have a religious affiliation, many immigrants who are Christian have helped reenergize churches and spur their growth, said Walter Kim, president of the National Association of Evangelicals.

"They're coming from parts of the world where the church is actually thriving," Kim said. "Not only are they bringing that thriving faith and contributing to America, they're also contributing to the vibrancy of the church in America."

Mass deportation would amount to a government-fostered "church decline strategy," Kim said.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-administration-migrants-deportation-christians-93851e15c2bae32b6ab89f4108cc6d82

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

---

"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

---

No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

---

Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

---

Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

---

So why is Trump using the proclamation under the AEA rather than the INA?

---

I'm not sure yet. It may be what enables him to utilize this "terrorist" mega-prison (which is an absolutely horrific place). It also has the potential to vastly expand presidential power, which may be equally or more important to him.

---

I expect there's something else distinct about the procedures/processes. But maybe it's just they are picking out the particularly dangerous individuals to make sure that they don't just come back, which is what tends to happen.

---

So they always say. Either way, conservatives are really going to love these powers when the next Democrat takes office and we get to see who they think is "dangerous."

---

Wait, do you really believe that a Democrat will deport illegals and, if so, Republicans will complain about it?

---

Like I said, you're gonna love it.

Quote:

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Most immigrants at risk of deportation from US are Christian, report finds
BY PETER SMITH
Updated 1:51 PM CDT, April 2, 2025

As many as four in five immigrants at risk of deportation from the United States are Christian, according to a new report that calls on their fellow believers to consider the impact of the Trump administration's aggressive deportation policies.

The report says about 10 million Christians are vulnerable to deportation and 7 million U.S. citizens who are Christian live in households where someone is at risk of deportation.

The report, under the auspices of major Catholic and evangelical organizations, draws on a range of data, including percentages of religious affiliation in various migrant and national populations and on an advocacy group's analysis of U.S. census data on migrants.

Even the fear of deportation could cause people to avoid going to public places--such as worship services. In an era when a growing number of people in the U.S. don't have a religious affiliation, many immigrants who are Christian have helped reenergize churches and spur their growth, said Walter Kim, president of the National Association of Evangelicals.

"They're coming from parts of the world where the church is actually thriving," Kim said. "Not only are they bringing that thriving faith and contributing to America, they're also contributing to the vibrancy of the church in America."

Mass deportation would amount to a government-fostered "church decline strategy," Kim said.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-administration-migrants-deportation-christians-93851e15c2bae32b6ab89f4108cc6d82

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

---

I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

---

"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

---

No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

---

Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

---

Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

---

So why is Trump using the proclamation under the AEA rather than the INA?

---

I'm not sure yet. It may be what enables him to utilize this "terrorist" mega-prison (which is an absolutely horrific place). It also has the potential to vastly expand presidential power, which may be equally or more important to him.

---

I expect there's something else distinct about the procedures/processes. But maybe it's just they are picking out the particularly dangerous individuals to make sure that they don't just come back, which is what tends to happen.

---

So they always say. Either way, conservatives are really going to love these powers when the next Democrat takes office and we get to see who they think is "dangerous."

---

Wait, do you really believe that a Democrat will deport illegals and, if so, Republicans will complain about it?

---

Like I said, you're gonna love it.

Quote:

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Most immigrants at risk of deportation from US are Christian, report finds
BY PETER SMITH
Updated 1:51 PM CDT, April 2, 2025

As many as four in five immigrants at risk of deportation from the United States are Christian, according to a new report that calls on their fellow believers to consider the impact of the Trump administration's aggressive deportation policies.

The report says about 10 million Christians are vulnerable to deportation and 7 million U.S. citizens who are Christian live in households where someone is at risk of deportation.

The report, under the auspices of major Catholic and evangelical organizations, draws on a range of data, including percentages of religious affiliation in various migrant and national populations and on an advocacy group's analysis of U.S. census data on migrants.

Even the fear of deportation could cause people to avoid going to public places--such as worship services. In an era when a growing number of people in the U.S. don't have a religious affiliation, many immigrants who are Christian have helped reenergize churches and spur their growth, said Walter Kim, president of the National Association of Evangelicals.

"They're coming from parts of the world where the church is actually thriving," Kim said. "Not only are they bringing that thriving faith and contributing to America, they're also contributing to the vibrancy of the church in America."

Mass deportation would amount to a government-fostered "church decline strategy," Kim said.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-administration-migrants-deportation-christians-93851e15c2bae32b6ab89f4108cc6d82

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But you know, "you said nothing then, and your words mean nothing now."

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

---

"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

---

No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

---

Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

---

Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

---

So why is Trump using the proclamation under the AEA rather than the INA?

---

I'm not sure yet. It may be what enables him to utilize this "terrorist" mega-prison (which is an absolutely horrific place). It also has the potential to vastly expand presidential power, which may be equally or more important to him.

---

I expect there's something else distinct about the procedures/processes. But maybe it's just they are picking out the particularly dangerous individuals to make sure that they don't just come back, which is what tends to happen.

---

So they always say. Either way, conservatives are really going to love these powers when the next Democrat takes office and we get to see who they think is "dangerous."

---

Wait, do you really believe that a Democrat will deport illegals and, if so, Republicans will complain about it?

---

Like I said, you're gonna love it.

Quote:

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Most immigrants at risk of deportation from US are Christian, report finds
BY PETER SMITH
Updated 1:51 PM CDT, April 2, 2025

As many as four in five immigrants at risk of deportation from the United States are Christian, according to a new report that calls on their fellow believers to consider the impact of the Trump administration's aggressive deportation policies.

The report says about 10 million Christians are vulnerable to deportation and 7 million U.S. citizens who are Christian live in households where someone is at risk of deportation.

The report, under the auspices of major Catholic and evangelical organizations, draws on a range of data, including percentages of religious affiliation in various migrant and national populations and on an advocacy group's analysis of U.S. census data on migrants.

Even the fear of deportation could cause people to avoid going to public places--such as worship services. In an era when a growing number of people in the U.S. don't have a religious affiliation, many immigrants who are Christian have helped reenergize churches and spur their growth, said Walter Kim, president of the National Association of Evangelicals.

"They're coming from parts of the world where the church is actually thriving," Kim said. "Not only are they bringing that thriving faith and contributing to America, they're also contributing to the vibrancy of the church in America."

Mass deportation would amount to a government-fostered "church decline strategy," Kim said.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-administration-migrants-deportation-christians-93851e15c2bae32b6ab89f4108cc6d82

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But you know, "you said nothing then, and your words mean nothing now."

---

The "illegal immigrants are mostly christians" argument is not seriously argued on other illegal actions suggesting leniency to the point of looking the other way. I certainly don't remember the argument that most mob members were catholic, so we should be lenient.

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Assassin said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

---

I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

---

"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

---

No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

---

Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

---

Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

---

So why is Trump using the proclamation under the AEA rather than the INA?

---

I'm not sure yet. It may be what enables him to utilize this "terrorist" mega-prison (which is an absolutely horrific place). It also has the potential to vastly expand presidential power, which may be equally or more important to him.

---

I expect there's something else distinct about the procedures/processes. But maybe it's just they are picking out the particularly dangerous individuals to make sure that they don't just come back, which is what tends to happen.

---

So they always say. Either way, conservatives are really going to love these powers when the next Democrat takes office and we get to see who they think is "dangerous."

---

Wait, do you really believe that a Democrat will deport illegals and, if so, Republicans will complain about it?

---

Like I said, you're gonna love it.

Quote:

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Most immigrants at risk of deportation from US are Christian, report finds
BY PETER SMITH
Updated 1:51 PM CDT, April 2, 2025

As many as four in five immigrants at risk of deportation from the United States are Christian, according to a new report that calls on their fellow believers to consider the impact of the Trump administration's aggressive deportation policies.

The report says about 10 million Christians are vulnerable to deportation and 7 million U.S. citizens who are Christian live in households where someone is at risk of deportation.

The report, under the auspices of major Catholic and evangelical organizations, draws on a range of data, including percentages of religious affiliation in various migrant and national populations and on an advocacy group's analysis of U.S. census data on migrants.

Even the fear of deportation could cause people to avoid going to public places--such as worship services. In an era when a growing number of people in the U.S. don't have a religious affiliation, many immigrants who are Christian have helped reenergize churches and spur their growth, said Walter Kim, president of the National Association of Evangelicals.

"They're coming from parts of the world where the church is actually thriving," Kim said. "Not only are they bringing that thriving faith and contributing to America, they're also contributing to the vibrancy of the church in America."

Mass deportation would amount to a government-fostered "church decline strategy," Kim said.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-administration-migrants-deportation-christians-93851e15c2bae32b6ab89f4108cc6d82

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But you know, "you said nothing then, and your words mean nothing now."

---

The "illegal immigrants are mostly christians" argument is not seriously argued on other illegal actions suggesting leniency to the point of looking the other way. I certainly don't remember the argument that most mob members were catholic, so we should be lenient.

---

Remember that Joe Biden claimed to be Catholic yet supported the murder of innocent babies. We have two alledged pastors here that claim to be Christian but they have no problem aborting babies and supporting trans men in girl's bathrooms. Just cause folks go to church means very little unless they practice it.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Quote:

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Most immigrants at risk of deportation from US are Christian, report finds
BY PETER SMITH
Updated 1:51 PM CDT, April 2, 2025

As many as four in five immigrants at risk of deportation from the United States are Christian, according to a new report that calls on their fellow believers to consider the impact of the Trump administration's aggressive deportation policies.

The report says about 10 million Christians are vulnerable to deportation and 7 million U.S. citizens who are Christian live in households where someone is at risk of deportation.

The report, under the auspices of major Catholic and evangelical organizations, draws on a range of data, including percentages of religious affiliation in various migrant and national populations and on an advocacy group's analysis of U.S. census data on migrants.

Even the fear of deportation could cause people to avoid going to public places--such as worship services. In an era when a growing number of people in the U.S. don't have a religious affiliation, many immigrants who are Christian have helped reenergize churches and spur their growth, said Walter Kim, president of the National Association of Evangelicals.

"They're coming from parts of the world where the church is actually thriving," Kim said. "Not only are they bringing that thriving faith and contributing to America, they're also contributing to the vibrancy of the church in America."

Mass deportation would amount to a government-fostered "church decline strategy," Kim said.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-administration-migrants-deportation-christians-93851e15c2bae32b6ab89f4108cc6d82

---

But you know, "you said nothing then, and your words mean nothing now."

---

The "illegal immigrants are mostly christians" argument is not seriously argued on other illegal actions suggesting leniency to the point of looking the other way. I certainly don't remember the argument that most mob members were catholic, so we should be lenient.

---

Remember that Joe Biden claimed to be Catholic yet supported the murder of innocent babies. We have two alledged pastors here that claim to be Christian but they have no problem aborting babies and supporting trans men in girl's bathrooms. Just cause folks go to church means very little unless they practice it.

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Without due process they can define "dangerous" however they want. They can target the pro-lifers and the parents who protest at school board meetings. They can label them domestic terrorists, and no one can say otherwise. Judges can't overrule the president, remember?

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Oldbear83 said:

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And some of our members lie out their ass but justify it because "Trump" ...

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

---

I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

---

"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

---

No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

---

Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

---

Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

---

So why is Trump using the proclamation under the AEA rather than the INA?

---

I'm not sure yet. It may be what enables him to utilize this "terrorist" mega-prison (which is an absolutely horrific place). It also has the potential to vastly expand presidential power, which may be equally or more important to him.

---

I expect there's something else distinct about the procedures/processes. But maybe it's just they are picking out the particularly dangerous individuals to make sure that they don't just come back, which is what tends to happen.

---

So they always say. Either way, conservatives are really going to love these powers when the next Democrat takes office and we get to see who they think is "dangerous."

---