Or maybe someone can explain using 19th century immigration patterns to support their arguments about compliance with the due process requirements for the McCarran-Walter Act (Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952), the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, and the Immigration Act of 1990.

That whole calendar thing seems to be a significant hurdle.

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whiterock said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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historian said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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It has just been this way too long. If we are going to end birthright citizenship for illegals, we need the states to do it via Constitutional amendment.

The Supreme Court is going to have a real problem undoing so many years of precedent based simply upon the fact that Trump wants it so.

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Most countries do not provide birth right citizenship for illegals.

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But America does. If we want to change it, it should be the states passing an Amendment, not Trump saying "let's get this to the Supreme Court."

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America has done so illegitimately. There is no legal or constitutional reason why illegal aliens should be allowed to remain in this country because they happen to have a baby while here. They certainly should not be granted the privilege of automatic citizenship. Anyone who understands the history of the constitution and especially if the 14th amendment should understand this. It's a no brainer.

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That's simply ignorant of history. Take the waves of Irish that came over illegally, for example, Americans knew their kids were getting citizenship, and were largely ok with it. It seems the only difference is that Trump doesn't like it today. And the scope of it.

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Exactly how many Irish are documented to have come here illegally? I don't recall any Act of Congress specifically banning Irish, and I don't recall 'waves of Irish' coming here in the 20th Century in defiance of our borders. Sure, the Kennedy's were a nasty bunch with their bootleg liquor and all, but still .

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that's what Democrats do. The deny the plainly obvious is happening. And when necessary, they invent stuff out of whole cloth to fit their narrative.

The Irish all came thru Ellis Island WHERE THEY WERE LEGALLY CLEARED TO ENTER THE COUNTRY under statute in effect at that time.

We were an empty country and were giving land away free out west to anyone who wanted to settle it.
We are not that country today.
The people out in the country today tend to move to the cities, where they find well entrenched communities of illegal aliens who don't even speak the language competing with them for jobs, housing, public services, etc..... And polite society, which does not have to bear any of the costs of those illegal aliens, insist that anyone who has a problem with the illegal aliens is a racist, sexist, bigoted, this-or-that-aphobe, etc.....

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Ellis Island started screening immigrants in 1892. The potato famine was from 1845 to 1854. Many Irish entered then & fought in Civil War

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Off the boat and directly into Union Blue

Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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historian said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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It has just been this way too long. If we are going to end birthright citizenship for illegals, we need the states to do it via Constitutional amendment.

The Supreme Court is going to have a real problem undoing so many years of precedent based simply upon the fact that Trump wants it so.

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Most countries do not provide birth right citizenship for illegals.

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But America does. If we want to change it, it should be the states passing an Amendment, not Trump saying "let's get this to the Supreme Court."

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America has done so illegitimately. There is no legal or constitutional reason why illegal aliens should be allowed to remain in this country because they happen to have a baby while here. They certainly should not be granted the privilege of automatic citizenship. Anyone who understands the history of the constitution and especially if the 14th amendment should understand this. It's a no brainer.

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That's simply ignorant of history. Take the waves of Irish that came over illegally, for example, Americans knew their kids were getting citizenship, and were largely ok with it. It seems the only difference is that Trump doesn't like it today. And the scope of it.

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There are about 10,000 Irish here illegally. There are 40 to 50 million illegal aliens other than the Irish. Doesnt really seem like something anyone else cares about them but you

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Whoosh, that's you not understanding what you read.

But that does open up a new line of discussion, you're saying you're OK with illegal Irish, but not illegal Hispanic? I mean, just talking opinion, are tgere more and less desirable illegals, categorized by ethnicity?

historian said:

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Porteroso said:

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historian said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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It has just been this way too long. If we are going to end birthright citizenship for illegals, we need the states to do it via Constitutional amendment.

The Supreme Court is going to have a real problem undoing so many years of precedent based simply upon the fact that Trump wants it so.

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Most countries do not provide birth right citizenship for illegals.

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But America does. If we want to change it, it should be the states passing an Amendment, not Trump saying "let's get this to the Supreme Court."

---

America has done so illegitimately. There is no legal or constitutional reason why illegal aliens should be allowed to remain in this country because they happen to have a baby while here. They certainly should not be granted the privilege of automatic citizenship. Anyone who understands the history of the constitution and especially if the 14th amendment should understand this. It's a no brainer.

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That's simply ignorant of history. Take the waves of Irish that came over illegally, for example, Americans knew their kids were getting citizenship, and were largely ok with it. It seems the only difference is that Trump doesn't like it today. And the scope of it.

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America's immigration laws were very different in the mid-19th century. Irish immigrants came legally, as did most others. There were very few restrictions before the 1880z because the US was a young & growing country. The world has changed much since 1890 and the US is now the third most populous country. We cannot take in all the people of the world who want to come here and have every right to control who does.

You are the one who is ignorant of history.

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Im talking about the Irish that did not enter according to our laws. No papers, no declarations, avoided any sort of immigration queue, often avoided authorities to get out of any sort of quarantine.

Your response that I'm ignorant is just plain stupid. Yes, times were different, so was immigration law. The fact remains that there was an entire political party started up to protest birthright citizenship of these Irish immigrants, and deport those here, but it never got enough traction, because the Irish haters were a small minority.

Study up bud before you display your ignorance! Who am I kidding!

Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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historian said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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It has just been this way too long. If we are going to end birthright citizenship for illegals, we need the states to do it via Constitutional amendment.

The Supreme Court is going to have a real problem undoing so many years of precedent based simply upon the fact that Trump wants it so.

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Most countries do not provide birth right citizenship for illegals.

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But America does. If we want to change it, it should be the states passing an Amendment, not Trump saying "let's get this to the Supreme Court."

---

America has done so illegitimately. There is no legal or constitutional reason why illegal aliens should be allowed to remain in this country because they happen to have a baby while here. They certainly should not be granted the privilege of automatic citizenship. Anyone who understands the history of the constitution and especially if the 14th amendment should understand this. It's a no brainer.

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That's simply ignorant of history. Take the waves of Irish that came over illegally, for example, Americans knew their kids were getting citizenship, and were largely ok with it. It seems the only difference is that Trump doesn't like it today. And the scope of it.

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There are about 10,000 Irish here illegally. There are 40 to 50 million illegal aliens other than the Irish. Doesnt really seem like something anyone else cares about them but you

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Whoosh, that's you not understanding what you read.

But that does open up a new line of discussion, you're saying you're OK with illegal Irish, but not illegal Hispanic? I mean, just talking opinion, are tgere more and less desirable illegals, categorized by ethnicity?

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Seems like you just near jerked that reaction. You didn't research the Irish coming over, did you. And I added that fact that there are 10,000 Irish here while we have 40-50 MILLION illegals other than them. Takes 10,000 out of 40 MILLION and what does that leave you?

Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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historian said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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It has just been this way too long. If we are going to end birthright citizenship for illegals, we need the states to do it via Constitutional amendment.

The Supreme Court is going to have a real problem undoing so many years of precedent based simply upon the fact that Trump wants it so.

---

Most countries do not provide birth right citizenship for illegals.

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But America does. If we want to change it, it should be the states passing an Amendment, not Trump saying "let's get this to the Supreme Court."

---

America has done so illegitimately. There is no legal or constitutional reason why illegal aliens should be allowed to remain in this country because they happen to have a baby while here. They certainly should not be granted the privilege of automatic citizenship. Anyone who understands the history of the constitution and especially if the 14th amendment should understand this. It's a no brainer.

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That's simply ignorant of history. Take the waves of Irish that came over illegally, for example, Americans knew their kids were getting citizenship, and were largely ok with it. It seems the only difference is that Trump doesn't like it today. And the scope of it.

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There are about 10,000 Irish here illegally. There are 40 to 50 million illegal aliens other than the Irish. Doesnt really seem like something anyone else cares about them but you

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Whoosh, that's you not understanding what you read.

But that does open up a new line of discussion, you're saying you're OK with illegal Irish, but not illegal Hispanic? I mean, just talking opinion, are tgere more and less desirable illegals, categorized by ethnicity?

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Seems like you just near jerked that reaction. You didn't research the Irish coming over, did you. And I added that fact that there are 10,000 Irish here while we have 40-50 MILLION illegals other than them. Takes 10,000 out of 40 MILLION and what does that leave you?

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Again, talking about history, not the present, but if you want to talk about the present, could you answer my question?

Porteroso said:

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historian said:

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Porteroso said:

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historian said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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It has just been this way too long. If we are going to end birthright citizenship for illegals, we need the states to do it via Constitutional amendment.

The Supreme Court is going to have a real problem undoing so many years of precedent based simply upon the fact that Trump wants it so.

---

Most countries do not provide birth right citizenship for illegals.

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But America does. If we want to change it, it should be the states passing an Amendment, not Trump saying "let's get this to the Supreme Court."

---

America has done so illegitimately. There is no legal or constitutional reason why illegal aliens should be allowed to remain in this country because they happen to have a baby while here. They certainly should not be granted the privilege of automatic citizenship. Anyone who understands the history of the constitution and especially if the 14th amendment should understand this. It's a no brainer.

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That's simply ignorant of history. Take the waves of Irish that came over illegally, for example, Americans knew their kids were getting citizenship, and were largely ok with it. It seems the only difference is that Trump doesn't like it today. And the scope of it.

---

America's immigration laws were very different in the mid-19th century. Irish immigrants came legally, as did most others. There were very few restrictions before the 1880z because the US was a young & growing country. The world has changed much since 1890 and the US is now the third most populous country. We cannot take in all the people of the world who want to come here and have every right to control who does.

You are the one who is ignorant of history.

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Im talking about the Irish that did not enter according to our laws. No papers, no declarations, avoided any sort of immigration queue, often avoided authorities to get out of any sort of quarantine.

Your response that I'm ignorant is just plain stupid. Yes, times were different, so was immigration law. The fact remains that there was an entire political party started up to protest birthright citizenship of these Irish immigrants, and deport those here, but it never got enough traction, because the Irish haters were a small minority.

Study up bud before you display your ignorance! Who am I kidding!

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Got some proof of that? I can give you mounds of evidence of Irish not only legally immigrating here, but going directly to serve in the Union Army. And you keep telling people how ignorant they are without reading your own posts. You don't come across as a Rhodes Scholar...

Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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historian said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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It has just been this way too long. If we are going to end birthright citizenship for illegals, we need the states to do it via Constitutional amendment.

The Supreme Court is going to have a real problem undoing so many years of precedent based simply upon the fact that Trump wants it so.

---

Most countries do not provide birth right citizenship for illegals.

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But America does. If we want to change it, it should be the states passing an Amendment, not Trump saying "let's get this to the Supreme Court."

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America has done so illegitimately. There is no legal or constitutional reason why illegal aliens should be allowed to remain in this country because they happen to have a baby while here. They certainly should not be granted the privilege of automatic citizenship. Anyone who understands the history of the constitution and especially if the 14th amendment should understand this. It's a no brainer.

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That's simply ignorant of history. Take the waves of Irish that came over illegally, for example, Americans knew their kids were getting citizenship, and were largely ok with it. It seems the only difference is that Trump doesn't like it today. And the scope of it.

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There are about 10,000 Irish here illegally. There are 40 to 50 million illegal aliens other than the Irish. Doesnt really seem like something anyone else cares about them but you

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Whoosh, that's you not understanding what you read.

But that does open up a new line of discussion, you're saying you're OK with illegal Irish, but not illegal Hispanic? I mean, just talking opinion, are tgere more and less desirable illegals, categorized by ethnicity?

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Seems like you just near jerked that reaction. You didn't research the Irish coming over, did you. And I added that fact that there are 10,000 Irish here while we have 40-50 MILLION illegals other than them. Takes 10,000 out of 40 MILLION and what does that leave you?

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Again, talking about history, not the present, but if you want to talk about the present, could you answer my question?

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Why in the world would I do that when you won't answer mine?

Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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historian said:

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Porteroso said:

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historian said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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It has just been this way too long. If we are going to end birthright citizenship for illegals, we need the states to do it via Constitutional amendment.

The Supreme Court is going to have a real problem undoing so many years of precedent based simply upon the fact that Trump wants it so.

---

Most countries do not provide birth right citizenship for illegals.

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But America does. If we want to change it, it should be the states passing an Amendment, not Trump saying "let's get this to the Supreme Court."

---

America has done so illegitimately. There is no legal or constitutional reason why illegal aliens should be allowed to remain in this country because they happen to have a baby while here. They certainly should not be granted the privilege of automatic citizenship. Anyone who understands the history of the constitution and especially if the 14th amendment should understand this. It's a no brainer.

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That's simply ignorant of history. Take the waves of Irish that came over illegally, for example, Americans knew their kids were getting citizenship, and were largely ok with it. It seems the only difference is that Trump doesn't like it today. And the scope of it.

---

America's immigration laws were very different in the mid-19th century. Irish immigrants came legally, as did most others. There were very few restrictions before the 1880z because the US was a young & growing country. The world has changed much since 1890 and the US is now the third most populous country. We cannot take in all the people of the world who want to come here and have every right to control who does.

You are the one who is ignorant of history.

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Im talking about the Irish that did not enter according to our laws. No papers, no declarations, avoided any sort of immigration queue, often avoided authorities to get out of any sort of quarantine.

Your response that I'm ignorant is just plain stupid. Yes, times were different, so was immigration law. The fact remains that there was an entire political party started up to protest birthright citizenship of these Irish immigrants, and deport those here, but it never got enough traction, because the Irish haters were a small minority.

Study up bud before you display your ignorance! Who am I kidding!

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Got some proof of that? I can give you mounds of evidence of Irish not only legally immigrating here, but going directly to serve in the Union Army. And you keep telling people how ignorant they are without reading your own posts. You don't come across as a Rhodes Scholar...

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Without reading my own posts? Are there spelling errors I'm missing? What a bizarre thing to say.

Here is a fun article on the subject. First thing on Google. Buy a book if you want to read the real history.

https://www.bostonirish.com/history/2018/%E2%80%98you-walked-right-%E2%80%99-%E2%80%98illegal%E2%80%99-and-%E2%80%98undocumented%E2%80%99-irish-immigrants-historical

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Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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historian said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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It has just been this way too long. If we are going to end birthright citizenship for illegals, we need the states to do it via Constitutional amendment.

The Supreme Court is going to have a real problem undoing so many years of precedent based simply upon the fact that Trump wants it so.

---

Most countries do not provide birth right citizenship for illegals.

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But America does. If we want to change it, it should be the states passing an Amendment, not Trump saying "let's get this to the Supreme Court."

---

America has done so illegitimately. There is no legal or constitutional reason why illegal aliens should be allowed to remain in this country because they happen to have a baby while here. They certainly should not be granted the privilege of automatic citizenship. Anyone who understands the history of the constitution and especially if the 14th amendment should understand this. It's a no brainer.

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That's simply ignorant of history. Take the waves of Irish that came over illegally, for example, Americans knew their kids were getting citizenship, and were largely ok with it. It seems the only difference is that Trump doesn't like it today. And the scope of it.

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There are about 10,000 Irish here illegally. There are 40 to 50 million illegal aliens other than the Irish. Doesnt really seem like something anyone else cares about them but you

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Whoosh, that's you not understanding what you read.

But that does open up a new line of discussion, you're saying you're OK with illegal Irish, but not illegal Hispanic? I mean, just talking opinion, are tgere more and less desirable illegals, categorized by ethnicity?

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Seems like you just near jerked that reaction. You didn't research the Irish coming over, did you. And I added that fact that there are 10,000 Irish here while we have 40-50 MILLION illegals other than them. Takes 10,000 out of 40 MILLION and what does that leave you?

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Again, talking about history, not the present, but if you want to talk about the present, could you answer my question?

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Why in the world would I do that when you won't answer mine?

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Point out the question here.

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There are about 10,000 Irish here illegally. There are 40 to 50 million illegal aliens other than the Irish. Doesnt really seem like something anyone else cares about them but you

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Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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historian said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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It has just been this way too long. If we are going to end birthright citizenship for illegals, we need the states to do it via Constitutional amendment.

The Supreme Court is going to have a real problem undoing so many years of precedent based simply upon the fact that Trump wants it so.

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Most countries do not provide birth right citizenship for illegals.

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But America does. If we want to change it, it should be the states passing an Amendment, not Trump saying "let's get this to the Supreme Court."

---

America has done so illegitimately. There is no legal or constitutional reason why illegal aliens should be allowed to remain in this country because they happen to have a baby while here. They certainly should not be granted the privilege of automatic citizenship. Anyone who understands the history of the constitution and especially if the 14th amendment should understand this. It's a no brainer.

---

That's simply ignorant of history. Take the waves of Irish that came over illegally, for example, Americans knew their kids were getting citizenship, and were largely ok with it. It seems the only difference is that Trump doesn't like it today. And the scope of it.

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There are about 10,000 Irish here illegally. There are 40 to 50 million illegal aliens other than the Irish. Doesnt really seem like something anyone else cares about them but you

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Whoosh, that's you not understanding what you read.

But that does open up a new line of discussion, you're saying you're OK with illegal Irish, but not illegal Hispanic? I mean, just talking opinion, are tgere more and less desirable illegals, categorized by ethnicity?

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Seems like you just near jerked that reaction. You didn't research the Irish coming over, did you. And I added that fact that there are 10,000 Irish here while we have 40-50 MILLION illegals other than them. Takes 10,000 out of 40 MILLION and what does that leave you?

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Again, talking about history, not the present, but if you want to talk about the present, could you answer my question?

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Why in the world would I do that when you won't answer mine?

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Point out the question here.

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There are about 10,000 Irish here illegally. There are 40 to 50 million illegal aliens other than the Irish. Doesnt really seem like something anyone else cares about them but you

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Gonna let you roll around in the mud here. There were nowhere close to as many Irish that may have come in illegally as the invasion of Illegal Aliens through both north and south borders. And they came in all colors, Russian, Chinese, Mexican, Brazilian, Ukranian, Central Asian, Indian, Turkish, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Angolan, Venezuelan and more. For you to paint them all one color is racist.

Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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historian said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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It has just been this way too long. If we are going to end birthright citizenship for illegals, we need the states to do it via Constitutional amendment.

The Supreme Court is going to have a real problem undoing so many years of precedent based simply upon the fact that Trump wants it so.

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Most countries do not provide birth right citizenship for illegals.

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But America does. If we want to change it, it should be the states passing an Amendment, not Trump saying "let's get this to the Supreme Court."

---

America has done so illegitimately. There is no legal or constitutional reason why illegal aliens should be allowed to remain in this country because they happen to have a baby while here. They certainly should not be granted the privilege of automatic citizenship. Anyone who understands the history of the constitution and especially if the 14th amendment should understand this. It's a no brainer.

---

That's simply ignorant of history. Take the waves of Irish that came over illegally, for example, Americans knew their kids were getting citizenship, and were largely ok with it. It seems the only difference is that Trump doesn't like it today. And the scope of it.

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There are about 10,000 Irish here illegally. There are 40 to 50 million illegal aliens other than the Irish. Doesnt really seem like something anyone else cares about them but you

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Whoosh, that's you not understanding what you read.

But that does open up a new line of discussion, you're saying you're OK with illegal Irish, but not illegal Hispanic? I mean, just talking opinion, are tgere more and less desirable illegals, categorized by ethnicity?

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Seems like you just near jerked that reaction. You didn't research the Irish coming over, did you. And I added that fact that there are 10,000 Irish here while we have 40-50 MILLION illegals other than them. Takes 10,000 out of 40 MILLION and what does that leave you?

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Again, talking about history, not the present, but if you want to talk about the present, could you answer my question?

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Why in the world would I do that when you won't answer mine?

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Point out the question here.

Quote:

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There are about 10,000 Irish here illegally. There are 40 to 50 million illegal aliens other than the Irish. Doesnt really seem like something anyone else cares about them but you

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Gonna let you roll around in the mud here. There were nowhere close to as many Irish that may have come in illegally as the invasion of Illegal Aliens through both north and south borders. And they came in all colors, Russian, Chinese, Mexican, Brazilian, Ukranian, Central Asian, Indian, Turkish, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Angolan, Venezuelan and more. For you to paint them all one color is racist.

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Painting all the illegals one color? You cannot have an adult discussion can you? Not gonna engage when you obviously can't. I tried.

Assassin said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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historian said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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It has just been this way too long. If we are going to end birthright citizenship for illegals, we need the states to do it via Constitutional amendment.

The Supreme Court is going to have a real problem undoing so many years of precedent based simply upon the fact that Trump wants it so.

---

Most countries do not provide birth right citizenship for illegals.

---

But America does. If we want to change it, it should be the states passing an Amendment, not Trump saying "let's get this to the Supreme Court."

---

America has done so illegitimately. There is no legal or constitutional reason why illegal aliens should be allowed to remain in this country because they happen to have a baby while here. They certainly should not be granted the privilege of automatic citizenship. Anyone who understands the history of the constitution and especially if the 14th amendment should understand this. It's a no brainer.

---

That's simply ignorant of history. Take the waves of Irish that came over illegally, for example, Americans knew their kids were getting citizenship, and were largely ok with it. It seems the only difference is that Trump doesn't like it today. And the scope of it.

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Exactly how many Irish are documented to have come here illegally? I don't recall any Act of Congress specifically banning Irish, and I don't recall 'waves of Irish' coming here in the 20th Century in defiance of our borders. Sure, the Kennedy's were a nasty bunch with their bootleg liquor and all, but still .

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that's what Democrats do. The deny the plainly obvious is happening. And when necessary, they invent stuff out of whole cloth to fit their narrative.

The Irish all came thru Ellis Island WHERE THEY WERE LEGALLY CLEARED TO ENTER THE COUNTRY under statute in effect at that time.

We were an empty country and were giving land away free out west to anyone who wanted to settle it.
We are not that country today.
The people out in the country today tend to move to the cities, where they find well entrenched communities of illegal aliens who don't even speak the language competing with them for jobs, housing, public services, etc..... And polite society, which does not have to bear any of the costs of those illegal aliens, insist that anyone who has a problem with the illegal aliens is a racist, sexist, bigoted, this-or-that-aphobe, etc.....

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Ellis Island started screening immigrants in 1892. The potato famine was from 1845 to 1854. Many Irish entered then & fought in Civil War

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Off the boat and directly into Union Blue

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By the thousands

Osodecentx said:

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Assassin said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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historian said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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It has just been this way too long. If we are going to end birthright citizenship for illegals, we need the states to do it via Constitutional amendment.

The Supreme Court is going to have a real problem undoing so many years of precedent based simply upon the fact that Trump wants it so.

---

Most countries do not provide birth right citizenship for illegals.

---

But America does. If we want to change it, it should be the states passing an Amendment, not Trump saying "let's get this to the Supreme Court."

---

America has done so illegitimately. There is no legal or constitutional reason why illegal aliens should be allowed to remain in this country because they happen to have a baby while here. They certainly should not be granted the privilege of automatic citizenship. Anyone who understands the history of the constitution and especially if the 14th amendment should understand this. It's a no brainer.

---

That's simply ignorant of history. Take the waves of Irish that came over illegally, for example, Americans knew their kids were getting citizenship, and were largely ok with it. It seems the only difference is that Trump doesn't like it today. And the scope of it.

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Exactly how many Irish are documented to have come here illegally? I don't recall any Act of Congress specifically banning Irish, and I don't recall 'waves of Irish' coming here in the 20th Century in defiance of our borders. Sure, the Kennedy's were a nasty bunch with their bootleg liquor and all, but still .

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that's what Democrats do. The deny the plainly obvious is happening. And when necessary, they invent stuff out of whole cloth to fit their narrative.

The Irish all came thru Ellis Island WHERE THEY WERE LEGALLY CLEARED TO ENTER THE COUNTRY under statute in effect at that time.

We were an empty country and were giving land away free out west to anyone who wanted to settle it.
We are not that country today.
The people out in the country today tend to move to the cities, where they find well entrenched communities of illegal aliens who don't even speak the language competing with them for jobs, housing, public services, etc..... And polite society, which does not have to bear any of the costs of those illegal aliens, insist that anyone who has a problem with the illegal aliens is a racist, sexist, bigoted, this-or-that-aphobe, etc.....

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Ellis Island started screening immigrants in 1892. The potato famine was from 1845 to 1854. Many Irish entered then & fought in Civil War

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Off the boat and directly into Union Blue

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By the thousands

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While precise numbers are debated, an estimated 200,000 Irish men fought in the American Civil War, with around 180,000 serving in the Union Army. It's estimated that over 150,000 native Irish served in the Union forces, with some sources citing figures as high as 250,000 Irish-born or first-generation individuals on the Union side. Army recruiters were indeed present at ports like New York, enlisting immigrants directly as they arrived.

Clearly you are kidding yourself. And no one else.

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Clearly you are kidding yourself. And no one else.

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Yeah, he's Colbert-level entertaining and Beto-level credible.

Congratulations to all the new U.S. citizens who do it the legal way 🇺🇸👏🏼 pic.twitter.com/u48j1ynZ19

— TONY™ (@TONYxTWO) July 22, 2025

The joy on his face and in his voice is wonderful! This is what Americans love to see: an immigrant who wants to be an American Patriot instead of a parasite who wants to take as much as possible from others.

I think we know whose fault this is

LA Crips say they’re READY to go to war against ICE..

👀 pic.twitter.com/IFNb43Owrd

— American AF 🇺🇸 (@iAnonPatriot) July 22, 2025

Everyone say it with me, NO

Republican Rep Maria Elvira Salazar isn’t backing down, she wants to pass her bill allowing illegals who have been in America for over 5 years to stay here illegally, they will pay $1,000+ 1% of income for 5 years. She says they can buy homes here… pic.twitter.com/BRNHlTSyCq

— Wall Street Apes (@WallStreetApes) July 22, 2025

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Porteroso said:

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It has just been this way too long. If we are going to end birthright citizenship for illegals, we need the states to do it via Constitutional amendment.

The Supreme Court is going to have a real problem undoing so many years of precedent based simply upon the fact that Trump wants it so.

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Most countries do not provide birth right citizenship for illegals.

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But America does. If we want to change it, it should be the states passing an Amendment, not Trump saying "let's get this to the Supreme Court."

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America has done so illegitimately. There is no legal or constitutional reason why illegal aliens should be allowed to remain in this country because they happen to have a baby while here. They certainly should not be granted the privilege of automatic citizenship. Anyone who understands the history of the constitution and especially if the 14th amendment should understand this. It's a no brainer.

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That's simply ignorant of history. Take the waves of Irish that came over illegally, for example, Americans knew their kids were getting citizenship, and were largely ok with it. It seems the only difference is that Trump doesn't like it today. And the scope of it.

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Exactly how many Irish are documented to have come here illegally? I don't recall any Act of Congress specifically banning Irish, and I don't recall 'waves of Irish' coming here in the 20th Century in defiance of our borders. Sure, the Kennedy's were a nasty bunch with their bootleg liquor and all, but still .

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that's what Democrats do. The deny the plainly obvious is happening. And when necessary, they invent stuff out of whole cloth to fit their narrative.

The Irish all came thru Ellis Island WHERE THEY WERE LEGALLY CLEARED TO ENTER THE COUNTRY under statute in effect at that time.

We were an empty country and were giving land away free out west to anyone who wanted to settle it.
We are not that country today.
The people out in the country today tend to move to the cities, where they find well entrenched communities of illegal aliens who don't even speak the language competing with them for jobs, housing, public services, etc..... And polite society, which does not have to bear any of the costs of those illegal aliens, insist that anyone who has a problem with the illegal aliens is a racist, sexist, bigoted, this-or-that-aphobe, etc.....

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Ellis Island started screening immigrants in 1892. The potato famine was from 1845 to 1854. Many Irish entered then & fought in Civil War

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fair point on the historical detail. Before Ellis Island there were other designated points of entry, notably Castle Garden. But the where part is not the key ..... those waves of Irish came here LEGALLY. There was a process. It was quite a bit more permissive than today, but quite a bit more restrictive than the original Immigration & Naturalization Act in the 1700's (which was basically if you could get here healthy and stay out of trouble, you could stay....) We had a country to fil up then (and now we don't).

As a general rule, the trend of amendments to the INA has been progressively more restrictive for immigration, and progressively less restrictive for natural birth citizenship and naturalization.

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Everyone say it with me, NO

Republican Rep Maria Elvira Salazar isn’t backing down, she wants to pass her bill allowing illegals who have been in America for over 5 years to stay here illegally, they will pay $1,000+ 1% of income for 5 years. She says they can buy homes here… pic.twitter.com/BRNHlTSyCq

— Wall Street Apes (@WallStreetApes) July 22, 2025

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I gave a better idea: deport all illegals and erase any chance for citizenship to anyone who comes illegal.

Ever.

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whiterock said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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It has just been this way too long. If we are going to end birthright citizenship for illegals, we need the states to do it via Constitutional amendment.

The Supreme Court is going to have a real problem undoing so many years of precedent based simply upon the fact that Trump wants it so.

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Most countries do not provide birth right citizenship for illegals.

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But America does. If we want to change it, it should be the states passing an Amendment, not Trump saying "let's get this to the Supreme Court."

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America has done so illegitimately. There is no legal or constitutional reason why illegal aliens should be allowed to remain in this country because they happen to have a baby while here. They certainly should not be granted the privilege of automatic citizenship. Anyone who understands the history of the constitution and especially if the 14th amendment should understand this. It's a no brainer.

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That's simply ignorant of history. Take the waves of Irish that came over illegally, for example, Americans knew their kids were getting citizenship, and were largely ok with it. It seems the only difference is that Trump doesn't like it today. And the scope of it.

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Exactly how many Irish are documented to have come here illegally? I don't recall any Act of Congress specifically banning Irish, and I don't recall 'waves of Irish' coming here in the 20th Century in defiance of our borders. Sure, the Kennedy's were a nasty bunch with their bootleg liquor and all, but still .

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that's what Democrats do. The deny the plainly obvious is happening. And when necessary, they invent stuff out of whole cloth to fit their narrative.

The Irish all came thru Ellis Island WHERE THEY WERE LEGALLY CLEARED TO ENTER THE COUNTRY under statute in effect at that time.

We were an empty country and were giving land away free out west to anyone who wanted to settle it.
We are not that country today.
The people out in the country today tend to move to the cities, where they find well entrenched communities of illegal aliens who don't even speak the language competing with them for jobs, housing, public services, etc..... And polite society, which does not have to bear any of the costs of those illegal aliens, insist that anyone who has a problem with the illegal aliens is a racist, sexist, bigoted, this-or-that-aphobe, etc.....

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Ellis Island started screening immigrants in 1892. The potato famine was from 1845 to 1854. Many Irish entered then & fought in Civil War

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fair point on the historical detail. Before Ellis Island there were other designated points of entry, notably Castle Garden. But the where part is not the key ..... those waves of Irish came here LEGALLY. There was a process. It was quite a bit more permissive than today, but quite a bit more restrictive than the original Immigration & Naturalization Act in the 1700's (which was basically if you could get here healthy and stay out of trouble, you could stay....) We had a country to fil up then (and now we don't).

As a general rule, the trend of amendments to the INA has been progressively more restrictive for immigration, and progressively less restrictive for natural birth citizenship and naturalization.

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You just can't convince some folk of that

I just came to see if Sam was still celebrating human traffickers, drug cartels, and rapists.

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I just came to see if Sam was still celebrating human traffickers, drug cartels, and rapists.

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If you don't know the difference between honoring the rule of law and honoring criminals, you don't know the first thing about the Constitution. It really doesn't get any more basic than that.

Leftists are generally unwilling to allow facts to interfere with their narratives.

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I just came to see if Sam was still celebrating human traffickers, drug cartels, and rapists.

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If you don't know the difference between honoring the rule of law and honoring criminals, you don't know the first thing about the Constitution. It really doesn't get any more basic than that.

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Oh we do, Sam. It's just that you honoring criminals is somehow worse than we expected, even though you have been clear for a while now.

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Clearly you are kidding yourself. And no one else.

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A history denier. Typical of the zealots. Whatever doesn't fit the narrative gets tossed.

The reality is, we have had birthright citizenship, in one form or another, since the very beginning, and challenges to it have mostly been the result of hatred of one group or another. For example, the Dred Scott decision denying it to blacks, the New American Party which started up to deport Irish and prevent them from getting citizenship, many inequalities in our treatment of Asian immigrants and their citizenship status, etc. All ended with the 14th Amendment and clarified in 1898.

None have ever gotten close to getting it removed completely. Americans have always been ok with birthright citizenship. It is only the current political climate, which is only possible because of the scope of the illegal immigrant problem, that makes a significant part of America question it.

2 parents that have lived in America without status their whole lives, that have a baby, are very similar to all those who came before, who did the same thing. It has happened since the very beginning.

The only reason I have sympathy for this effort to remove birthright citizenship for illegals, is the political nature and scope of illegal immigration. The fact that it is tens of millions, and Democrats encouraged it, clearly to get votes... Citizenship should not be a political play like that. Citizenship should be for the benefit of us all.

But to remove such a thing, based upon nothing more than the current political climate, is not something I think the Supreme Court will want to do. The Supreme Court should be interpreters, not arbiter of who is American.

To change the interpretation so drastically would be beyond the pale. The states themselves should decide something so monumental. It is likely that regardless of what the Supreme Court does, many states will try to amend the Constitution to clarify things anyway.

So much crap in one post, you should work in compost, Porteroso.

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So much crap in one post, you should work in compost, Porteroso.

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Working the earth is as honest as it gets, but of course an old angry zealot like you thinks you're above it. And yes, I do compost to get rich dirt.

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This was the FINAL straw.

An illegal alien just shot a Border Patrol agent in the face.

Now that agent is fighting for his life.

The worst part?

This violent offender had been released onto the streets FIVE TIMES before the attack.

And the numbers are beyond TERRIFYING:… pic.twitter.com/f0UIWnf1sB

— The Vigilant Fox 🦊 (@VigilantFox) July 21, 2025

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Mayorkos needs to live the rest of his life behind bars

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Or in a chop zone.

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So much crap in one post, you should work in compost, Porteroso.

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Working the earth is as honest as it gets, but of course an old angry zealot like you thinks you're above it. And yes, I do compost to get rich dirt.

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Funny how you presume so much, p. What do you imagine I do for work? What do I drive?

My ability to grasp erudite concepts should not fool you into thinking I am limited to, say, Colbert or Beto limits of experience.

But then again, many of your posts are based on assumptions bereft of fact, not to mention a certain passive depression in your tone.

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So much crap in one post, you should work in compost, Porteroso.

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Working the earth is as honest as it gets, but of course an old angry zealot like you thinks you're above it. And yes, I do compost to get rich dirt.

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Funny how you presume so much, p. What do you imagine I do for work? What do I drive?

My ability to grasp erudite concepts should not fool you into thinking I am limited to, say, Colbert or Beto limits of experience.

But then again, many of your posts are based on assumptions bereft of fact, not to mention a certain passive depression in your tone.

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Don't know, dont care, but do know you use working with compost as an insult, besides being a bitter, angry, old zealot.

Oldbear83 said:

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So much crap in one post, you should work in compost, Porteroso.

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Ha!

After working for many years with hundreds of cows, calves and bulls….

compost would be a pleasant improvement.