Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Waco1947 said:

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whiterock said:

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Waco1947 said:

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ScottS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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historian said:

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Not the 10-20 million illegal aliens that Biden rolled out the red carpet for. We cannot deport them quickly enough.

As a practical matter, it's impossible to do so and an absurdity to even try. It's not a serious option.

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20,000,000 is a lie. Why respond to a lie?

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And you know this how?

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Determining the exact number of people who have entered the U.S. without authorization between 2021 and 2024 is challenging because many individuals are not apprehended.
However, data from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) provides insight into the scale of unauthorized border crossings:

• Total Encounters: Since the start of Fiscal Year (FY) 2021, CBP has recorded over 10.8 million encounters nationwide. This number includes both those who attempt to cross illegally and those who arrive at official ports of entry and are deemed inadmissible. It is important to note that this number represents encounters, not necessarily unique individuals, as some people may attempt to cross the border multiple times.
• Southwest Border Encounters: Over 8.72 million encounters have occurred at the Southwest border since FY2021.
• Estimated Gotaways: CBP estimates that approximately 2 million individuals have evaded authorities and entered the country undetected since FY2021. Some sources suggest this number could be underreported.
• Parole Programs: Additionally, over 1.4 million individuals have been released into the U.S. through parole programs like CBP One and the CHNV program.

While these numbers provide a measure of border activity, they do not provide a definitive count of unique individuals who have successfully entered the U.S. without authorization.

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There are "gotaway" stats. But by definition there is no hard data on the flow of illegals not encountered anywhere.

Back during the first Trump admin, when the numbers were in the 30k-50k range per month, my USBP friend who for years chased illegals thru the brush and now supervises teams of men & dogs that do so told me the best way to get an idea what the actual flow is would be to take the "encounters" number and double it. He said the percentage of actual flow caught will rise as the flow falls, but will fall as the flow rises. (completely expected given that enforcement resources are essentially fixed).

That was before the Biden policy of accepting refugee applications for anyone who could drag themself cross the border. At that point, an enormous percentage of illegals were literally surrendering immediately, at the river with wet feet. That could have made the drug enforcement component a lot easier. Since anyone purely interested in migration would just surrender immediately, pretty much anyone sneaking thru the brush was up to no good. But the numbers of refugee candidates were so large that it strained USBP manpower just to pick them up & process them. As a result, the refugee flows actually made it easier for the cartels to smuggle drugs.Most illegal drugs comes through POEs not individuals.

and, yes, a very high percentage of the flow of refugees across our border were criminals. If you were President of (choose any Central or South American country), why would you continue to pay the cost to incarcerate hardened criminals if you could simply take them to your northern border, give them $500, and order them to head to Estados Unidos and NOT come back. It has happened before. Approx 20% of the Mariel boatlift refugees had spent time in a Cuban prison. What is your proof that presidents in Central America bussed their criminals to the border?

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Many of the jailing were political prisoners not violent offenders.
Otherwise thank you for response.

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Our country cannot assimilate 20 million illegals in 4 years. I'm for deportations after a hearing

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We don't even have 20 million total, let alone in the last four years.

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We've had anywhere between 6.7 million and 7.3 million illegals cross over the past four years. Estimates prior to that were 15.9 million. So yeah it's definitely over 20 million.

There are studies that place the number well above 30 million.

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/116759/witnesses/HMTG-118-IF02-Wstate-RectorR-20240117.pdf

Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Waco1947 said:

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whiterock said:

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Waco1947 said:

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ScottS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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historian said:

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Not the 10-20 million illegal aliens that Biden rolled out the red carpet for. We cannot deport them quickly enough.

As a practical matter, it's impossible to do so and an absurdity to even try. It's not a serious option.

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20,000,000 is a lie. Why respond to a lie?

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And you know this how?

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Determining the exact number of people who have entered the U.S. without authorization between 2021 and 2024 is challenging because many individuals are not apprehended.
However, data from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) provides insight into the scale of unauthorized border crossings:

• Total Encounters: Since the start of Fiscal Year (FY) 2021, CBP has recorded over 10.8 million encounters nationwide. This number includes both those who attempt to cross illegally and those who arrive at official ports of entry and are deemed inadmissible. It is important to note that this number represents encounters, not necessarily unique individuals, as some people may attempt to cross the border multiple times.
• Southwest Border Encounters: Over 8.72 million encounters have occurred at the Southwest border since FY2021.
• Estimated Gotaways: CBP estimates that approximately 2 million individuals have evaded authorities and entered the country undetected since FY2021. Some sources suggest this number could be underreported.
• Parole Programs: Additionally, over 1.4 million individuals have been released into the U.S. through parole programs like CBP One and the CHNV program.

While these numbers provide a measure of border activity, they do not provide a definitive count of unique individuals who have successfully entered the U.S. without authorization.

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There are "gotaway" stats. But by definition there is no hard data on the flow of illegals not encountered anywhere.

Back during the first Trump admin, when the numbers were in the 30k-50k range per month, my USBP friend who for years chased illegals thru the brush and now supervises teams of men & dogs that do so told me the best way to get an idea what the actual flow is would be to take the "encounters" number and double it. He said the percentage of actual flow caught will rise as the flow falls, but will fall as the flow rises. (completely expected given that enforcement resources are essentially fixed).

That was before the Biden policy of accepting refugee applications for anyone who could drag themself cross the border. At that point, an enormous percentage of illegals were literally surrendering immediately, at the river with wet feet. That could have made the drug enforcement component a lot easier. Since anyone purely interested in migration would just surrender immediately, pretty much anyone sneaking thru the brush was up to no good. But the numbers of refugee candidates were so large that it strained USBP manpower just to pick them up & process them. As a result, the refugee flows actually made it easier for the cartels to smuggle drugs.Most illegal drugs comes through POEs not individuals.

and, yes, a very high percentage of the flow of refugees across our border were criminals. If you were President of (choose any Central or South American country), why would you continue to pay the cost to incarcerate hardened criminals if you could simply take them to your northern border, give them $500, and order them to head to Estados Unidos and NOT come back. It has happened before. Approx 20% of the Mariel boatlift refugees had spent time in a Cuban prison. What is your proof that presidents in Central America bussed their criminals to the border?

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Many of the jailing were political prisoners not violent offenders.
Otherwise thank you for response.

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Our country cannot assimilate 20 million illegals in 4 years. I'm for deportations after a hearing

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We don't even have 20 million total, let alone in the last four years.

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We've had anywhere between 6.7 million and 7.3 million illegals cross over the past four years. Estimates prior to that were 15.9 million. So yeah it's definitely over 20 million.

There are studies that place the number well above 30 million.

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/116759/witnesses/HMTG-118-IF02-Wstate-RectorR-20240117.pdf

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Sam and 1947 say 20 mil is a lie.

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Not really. But if you want to label his reactions as demonizing then they all deserve to be demonized because they are all criminals and none of them have any right to be in the US. The Left, on the other hand, wants them all to remain so they can be exploited to steal elections. They don't care how many innocent Americans are raped or murdered or otherwise harmed.

It is evil and makes no sense. We cannot believe their lame excuses because they lie about everything. I have to wonder if they do it because they are selfish idiots. Many of them live in gated communities with armed security & feel insulated about the consequences of their treason. They certainly don't believe in the rule of law: they are supporting criminals and continuous criminal behavior. Besides, they support criminals like the Clinton's, Obama's, Biden's, Pelosi's, etc.

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A party that has to import voters to stay in power is not serious about "working for their constituents." If their constituents would vote less and less for them, then their policies are short sighted at best, or destructive at worst.

The great majority of these 20 million illegals should have been turned away at the border as they came in against our laws to begin with. That is why the due process argument is not applicable to most of those here. Absent the open border policy of the last Administration, most of those who entered our country would have been turned away at the border as they tried to enter or within a few days according to our laws. Unfortunately the past Administration chose not to enforce laws that did not agree with their political needs, so they allowed most of the illegals to say they required asylum knowing the backlog of cases would take years reach immigration courts; so they simply released them into the country until their hearing date. Make no mistake, this entire policy was illegal from its inception.

All of these illegals have had their due process and came in illegally and should all be met with deportation orders now. To correct a legal wrong and to put America back in the proper place to survive.

It is our job to back ICE Agents, Border Patrol Agents, Tom Homan, and Homeland Security Department working to rid ourselves first of these gang members and murderers, rapists and thieves, and then the rest of those who broke into the country illegally. The strong arm of the law should come down on the rioters who assault these law enforcement agents as they attempt to do their jobs. No one should be taking the side of criminals over legal, law abiding citizens of the United States who are getting brutalized by these illegal thugs.

Simple. Just come in on a temporary visa and never leave. Why have laws if you never enforce them? Total lawlessness.

Boulder attack suspect in US illegally: Homeland Security - ABC News

Osodecentx said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Waco1947 said:

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whiterock said:

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Waco1947 said:

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ScottS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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historian said:

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Not the 10-20 million illegal aliens that Biden rolled out the red carpet for. We cannot deport them quickly enough.

As a practical matter, it's impossible to do so and an absurdity to even try. It's not a serious option.

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20,000,000 is a lie. Why respond to a lie?

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And you know this how?

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Determining the exact number of people who have entered the U.S. without authorization between 2021 and 2024 is challenging because many individuals are not apprehended.
However, data from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) provides insight into the scale of unauthorized border crossings:

• Total Encounters: Since the start of Fiscal Year (FY) 2021, CBP has recorded over 10.8 million encounters nationwide. This number includes both those who attempt to cross illegally and those who arrive at official ports of entry and are deemed inadmissible. It is important to note that this number represents encounters, not necessarily unique individuals, as some people may attempt to cross the border multiple times.
• Southwest Border Encounters: Over 8.72 million encounters have occurred at the Southwest border since FY2021.
• Estimated Gotaways: CBP estimates that approximately 2 million individuals have evaded authorities and entered the country undetected since FY2021. Some sources suggest this number could be underreported.
• Parole Programs: Additionally, over 1.4 million individuals have been released into the U.S. through parole programs like CBP One and the CHNV program.

While these numbers provide a measure of border activity, they do not provide a definitive count of unique individuals who have successfully entered the U.S. without authorization.

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There are "gotaway" stats. But by definition there is no hard data on the flow of illegals not encountered anywhere.

Back during the first Trump admin, when the numbers were in the 30k-50k range per month, my USBP friend who for years chased illegals thru the brush and now supervises teams of men & dogs that do so told me the best way to get an idea what the actual flow is would be to take the "encounters" number and double it. He said the percentage of actual flow caught will rise as the flow falls, but will fall as the flow rises. (completely expected given that enforcement resources are essentially fixed).

That was before the Biden policy of accepting refugee applications for anyone who could drag themself cross the border. At that point, an enormous percentage of illegals were literally surrendering immediately, at the river with wet feet. That could have made the drug enforcement component a lot easier. Since anyone purely interested in migration would just surrender immediately, pretty much anyone sneaking thru the brush was up to no good. But the numbers of refugee candidates were so large that it strained USBP manpower just to pick them up & process them. As a result, the refugee flows actually made it easier for the cartels to smuggle drugs.Most illegal drugs comes through POEs not individuals.

and, yes, a very high percentage of the flow of refugees across our border were criminals. If you were President of (choose any Central or South American country), why would you continue to pay the cost to incarcerate hardened criminals if you could simply take them to your northern border, give them $500, and order them to head to Estados Unidos and NOT come back. It has happened before. Approx 20% of the Mariel boatlift refugees had spent time in a Cuban prison. What is your proof that presidents in Central America bussed their criminals to the border?

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Many of the jailing were political prisoners not violent offenders.
Otherwise thank you for response.

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Our country cannot assimilate 20 million illegals in 4 years. I'm for deportations after a hearing

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We don't even have 20 million total, let alone in the last in four years.

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How many illegals do you think entered in the last 4 years?

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Doc's source estimates 6 million (from a prior baseline of 10 million). More reputable sources put it around half that.

Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Waco1947 said:

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whiterock said:

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Waco1947 said:

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ScottS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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historian said:

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Not the 10-20 million illegal aliens that Biden rolled out the red carpet for. We cannot deport them quickly enough.

As a practical matter, it's impossible to do so and an absurdity to even try. It's not a serious option.

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20,000,000 is a lie. Why respond to a lie?

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And you know this how?

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Determining the exact number of people who have entered the U.S. without authorization between 2021 and 2024 is challenging because many individuals are not apprehended.
However, data from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) provides insight into the scale of unauthorized border crossings:

• Total Encounters: Since the start of Fiscal Year (FY) 2021, CBP has recorded over 10.8 million encounters nationwide. This number includes both those who attempt to cross illegally and those who arrive at official ports of entry and are deemed inadmissible. It is important to note that this number represents encounters, not necessarily unique individuals, as some people may attempt to cross the border multiple times.
• Southwest Border Encounters: Over 8.72 million encounters have occurred at the Southwest border since FY2021.
• Estimated Gotaways: CBP estimates that approximately 2 million individuals have evaded authorities and entered the country undetected since FY2021. Some sources suggest this number could be underreported.
• Parole Programs: Additionally, over 1.4 million individuals have been released into the U.S. through parole programs like CBP One and the CHNV program.

While these numbers provide a measure of border activity, they do not provide a definitive count of unique individuals who have successfully entered the U.S. without authorization.

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There are "gotaway" stats. But by definition there is no hard data on the flow of illegals not encountered anywhere.

Back during the first Trump admin, when the numbers were in the 30k-50k range per month, my USBP friend who for years chased illegals thru the brush and now supervises teams of men & dogs that do so told me the best way to get an idea what the actual flow is would be to take the "encounters" number and double it. He said the percentage of actual flow caught will rise as the flow falls, but will fall as the flow rises. (completely expected given that enforcement resources are essentially fixed).

That was before the Biden policy of accepting refugee applications for anyone who could drag themself cross the border. At that point, an enormous percentage of illegals were literally surrendering immediately, at the river with wet feet. That could have made the drug enforcement component a lot easier. Since anyone purely interested in migration would just surrender immediately, pretty much anyone sneaking thru the brush was up to no good. But the numbers of refugee candidates were so large that it strained USBP manpower just to pick them up & process them. As a result, the refugee flows actually made it easier for the cartels to smuggle drugs.Most illegal drugs comes through POEs not individuals.

and, yes, a very high percentage of the flow of refugees across our border were criminals. If you were President of (choose any Central or South American country), why would you continue to pay the cost to incarcerate hardened criminals if you could simply take them to your northern border, give them $500, and order them to head to Estados Unidos and NOT come back. It has happened before. Approx 20% of the Mariel boatlift refugees had spent time in a Cuban prison. What is your proof that presidents in Central America bussed their criminals to the border?

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Many of the jailing were political prisoners not violent offenders.
Otherwise thank you for response.

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Our country cannot assimilate 20 million illegals in 4 years. I'm for deportations after a hearing

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We don't even have 20 million total, let alone in the last four years.

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We've had anywhere between 6.7 million and 7.3 million illegals cross over the past four years. Estimates prior to that were 15.9 million. So yeah it's definitely over 20 million.

There are studies that place the number well above 30 million.

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/116759/witnesses/HMTG-118-IF02-Wstate-RectorR-20240117.pdf

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That's not what your source says.

Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Waco1947 said:

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whiterock said:

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Waco1947 said:

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ScottS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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historian said:

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Not the 10-20 million illegal aliens that Biden rolled out the red carpet for. We cannot deport them quickly enough.

As a practical matter, it's impossible to do so and an absurdity to even try. It's not a serious option.

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20,000,000 is a lie. Why respond to a lie?

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And you know this how?

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Determining the exact number of people who have entered the U.S. without authorization between 2021 and 2024 is challenging because many individuals are not apprehended.
However, data from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) provides insight into the scale of unauthorized border crossings:

• Total Encounters: Since the start of Fiscal Year (FY) 2021, CBP has recorded over 10.8 million encounters nationwide. This number includes both those who attempt to cross illegally and those who arrive at official ports of entry and are deemed inadmissible. It is important to note that this number represents encounters, not necessarily unique individuals, as some people may attempt to cross the border multiple times.
• Southwest Border Encounters: Over 8.72 million encounters have occurred at the Southwest border since FY2021.
• Estimated Gotaways: CBP estimates that approximately 2 million individuals have evaded authorities and entered the country undetected since FY2021. Some sources suggest this number could be underreported.
• Parole Programs: Additionally, over 1.4 million individuals have been released into the U.S. through parole programs like CBP One and the CHNV program.

While these numbers provide a measure of border activity, they do not provide a definitive count of unique individuals who have successfully entered the U.S. without authorization.

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There are "gotaway" stats. But by definition there is no hard data on the flow of illegals not encountered anywhere.

Back during the first Trump admin, when the numbers were in the 30k-50k range per month, my USBP friend who for years chased illegals thru the brush and now supervises teams of men & dogs that do so told me the best way to get an idea what the actual flow is would be to take the "encounters" number and double it. He said the percentage of actual flow caught will rise as the flow falls, but will fall as the flow rises. (completely expected given that enforcement resources are essentially fixed).

That was before the Biden policy of accepting refugee applications for anyone who could drag themself cross the border. At that point, an enormous percentage of illegals were literally surrendering immediately, at the river with wet feet. That could have made the drug enforcement component a lot easier. Since anyone purely interested in migration would just surrender immediately, pretty much anyone sneaking thru the brush was up to no good. But the numbers of refugee candidates were so large that it strained USBP manpower just to pick them up & process them. As a result, the refugee flows actually made it easier for the cartels to smuggle drugs.Most illegal drugs comes through POEs not individuals.

and, yes, a very high percentage of the flow of refugees across our border were criminals. If you were President of (choose any Central or South American country), why would you continue to pay the cost to incarcerate hardened criminals if you could simply take them to your northern border, give them $500, and order them to head to Estados Unidos and NOT come back. It has happened before. Approx 20% of the Mariel boatlift refugees had spent time in a Cuban prison. What is your proof that presidents in Central America bussed their criminals to the border?

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Many of the jailing were political prisoners not violent offenders.
Otherwise thank you for response.

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Our country cannot assimilate 20 million illegals in 4 years. I'm for deportations after a hearing

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We don't even have 20 million total, let alone in the last four years.

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We've had anywhere between 6.7 million and 7.3 million illegals cross over the past four years. Estimates prior to that were 15.9 million. So yeah it's definitely over 20 million.

There are studies that place the number well above 30 million.

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/116759/witnesses/HMTG-118-IF02-Wstate-RectorR-20240117.pdf

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That's not what your source says.

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It literally says "In the three years since taking office, the Biden administration has encouraged and facilitated 6.7 million inadmissible aliens to enter and take up residence in the U.S."

EatMoreSalmon said:

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historian said:

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Not really. But if you want to label his reactions as demonizing then they all deserve to be demonized because they are all criminals and none of them have any right to be in the US. The Left, on the other hand, wants them all to remain so they can be exploited to steal elections. They don't care how many innocent Americans are raped or murdered or otherwise harmed.

It is evil and makes no sense. We cannot believe their lame excuses because they lie about everything. I have to wonder if they do it because they are selfish idiots. Many of them live in gated communities with armed security & feel insulated about the consequences of their treason. They certainly don't believe in the rule of law: they are supporting criminals and continuous criminal behavior. Besides, they support criminals like the Clinton's, Obama's, Biden's, Pelosi's, etc.

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A party that has to import voters to stay in power is not serious about "working for their constituents." If their constituents would vote less and less for them, then their policies are short sighted at best, or destructive at worst.

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Sometimes I wonder if the Dems have ever cared for their constituents. Especially since the 1960s, it's difficult to see them doing anything that's in the best interests of the people. Instead it's all about the politicians. Their only interest in the people was using them to gain & keep power. Unfortunately that can also be said of the GOP.

"reputable"=Sam likes it, even if it's fiction.

The Hill: American-Born Children Are Getting Caught Up in Parents' Deportations

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Democrats don't want anyone deported for any reason, not even murderers and gang members and rapists. They have a problem with every deportation.

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https://twitchy.com/brettt/2025/06/02/the-hill-american-born-children-are-getting-caught-up-in-parents-deportations-n2413721

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"reputable"=Sam likes it, even if it's fiction.

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it's almost always fiction.....

historian said:

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The Left, on the other hand, wants them all to remain so they can be exploited to steal elections. This is simply crazy propaganda except you have shifted to "The Left" so now you demonize both migrants and the left.

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gtownbear said:

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The great majority of these 20 million illegals should have been turned away at the border as they came in against our laws to begin with. That is why the due process argument is not applicable to most of those here. Absent the open border policy of the last Administration, most of those who entered our country would have been turned away at the border as they tried to enter or within a few days according to our laws. Unfortunately the past Administration chose not to enforce laws that did not agree with their political needs, so they allowed most of the illegals to say they required asylum knowing the backlog of cases would take years reach immigration courts; so they simply released them into the country until their hearing date. Make no mistake, this entire policy was illegal from its inception .But make no mistake this is an assertion without evidence. "THE ENTIRE POLICY WAS ILLEGAL FROM THE START is your assertion. You have generalized to nonsense because there is no evidence to your claim of THE "entire policy."

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"The great majority of these 20 million illegals should have been turned away at the border But they weren't so now they get due process as the Constitution says as they came in against our laws to begin with. That is why the due process argument is not applicable to most of those here."

Wrong headed answer. We don't if the entered illegally until a court of law says so. Because in arrest for murder does automatically mean they ar jailed. They have their day in court.

Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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The great majority of these 20 million illegals should have been turned away at the border as they came in against our laws to begin with. That is why the due process argument is not applicable to most of those here. Absent the open border policy of the last Administration, most of those who entered our country would have been turned away at the border as they tried to enter or within a few days according to our laws. Unfortunately the past Administration chose not to enforce laws that did not agree with their political needs, so they allowed most of the illegals to say they required asylum knowing the backlog of cases would take years reach immigration courts; so they simply released them into the country until their hearing date. Make no mistake, this entire policy was illegal from its inception .But make no mistake this is an assertion without evidence. "THE ENTIRE POLICY WAS ILLEGAL FROM THE START is your assertion. You have generalized to nonsense because there is no evidence to your claim of THE "entire policy."

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"The great majority of these 20 million illegals should have been turned away at the border But they weren't so now they get due process as the Constitution says as they came in against our laws to begin with. That is why the due process argument is not applicable to most of those here."

Wrong headed answer. We don't if the entered illegally until a court of law says so. Because in arrest for murder does automatically mean they ar jailed. They have their day in court.

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We are not jailing illegals. We are sending them home. We are not depriving them of any right, property, or liberty. As such, due process isn't part of the administrative process.

For some people, "due process" means "keep stalling until they give up."

It is not a wrongheaded answer. It is the correct answer. You can coddle the criminal illegals. The rest of us have no intention of doing that. Most of these individuals are administrative removals. You just want to delay their departure hoping something changes so they can all remain here to vote legally or illegally in our elections.

The issue arising from the immigration cases is substantially the same as arising under cases in other areas:

Judicial overreach.

While the SCOTUS opinion that illegals are entitled to Due Process might be wrong, at least it a defensible position.
The real problem is the judiciary intervening to describe what process is due and how it must be administered. Those questions belong to the legislative (what process) and executive branches (how to administer). Courts are constitutionally prohibited from making policy but they forge ahead doing so. It is mandatory school busing and seizure of prison systems all over again. The only real question they should be asking is whether a constitutional and/or statutory basis exists for the action. Installing a process or grading the usage of the process is stepping outside their constitutional role.

The Biden admin placed hundreds of 1000s of vulnerable children in the homes of random illegal immigrant adults. The "sponsors" were essentially unvetted; Biden got rid of DNA testing, texted pictures of foreign IDs to show their names, and didn't check foreign criminal records.

— Luke Rosiak (@lukerosiak) June 3, 2025

In essence, Biden helped the illegals who were trafficking children as sex slaves. Hundreds of thousands of those kids are still missing. I wonder how many pols in Washington participated in that trafficking one way or another. Such a list of names would like be very similar to the Epstein client list.

GrowlTowel said:

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Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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The great majority of these 20 million illegals should have been turned away at the border as they came in against our laws to begin with. That is why the due process argument is not applicable to most of those here. Absent the open border policy of the last Administration, most of those who entered our country would have been turned away at the border as they tried to enter or within a few days according to our laws. Unfortunately the past Administration chose not to enforce laws that did not agree with their political needs, so they allowed most of the illegals to say they required asylum knowing the backlog of cases would take years reach immigration courts; so they simply released them into the country until their hearing date. Make no mistake, this entire policy was illegal from its inception .But make no mistake this is an assertion without evidence. "THE ENTIRE POLICY WAS ILLEGAL FROM THE START is your assertion. You have generalized to nonsense because there is no evidence to your claim of THE "entire policy."

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"The great majority of these 20 million illegals should have been turned away at the border But they weren't so now they get due process as the Constitution says as they came in against our laws to begin with. That is why the due process argument is not applicable to most of those here."

Wrong headed answer. We don't if the entered illegally until a court of law says so. Because in arrest for murder does automatically mean they ar jailed. They have their day in court.

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We are not jailing illegals. We are sending them home. We are not depriving them of any right, property, or liberty. As such, due process isn't part of the administrative process.

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Patently false.

Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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The great majority of these 20 million illegals should have been turned away at the border as they came in against our laws to begin with. That is why the due process argument is not applicable to most of those here. Absent the open border policy of the last Administration, most of those who entered our country would have been turned away at the border as they tried to enter or within a few days according to our laws. Unfortunately the past Administration chose not to enforce laws that did not agree with their political needs, so they allowed most of the illegals to say they required asylum knowing the backlog of cases would take years reach immigration courts; so they simply released them into the country until their hearing date. Make no mistake, this entire policy was illegal from its inception .But make no mistake this is an assertion without evidence. "THE ENTIRE POLICY WAS ILLEGAL FROM THE START is your assertion. You have generalized to nonsense because there is no evidence to your claim of THE "entire policy."

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"The great majority of these 20 million illegals should have been turned away at the border But they weren't so now they get due process as the Constitution says as they came in against our laws to begin with. That is why the due process argument is not applicable to most of those here."

Wrong headed answer. We don't if the entered illegally until a court of law says so. Because in arrest for murder does automatically mean they ar jailed. They have their day in court.

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We are not jailing illegals. We are sending them home. We are not depriving them of any right, property, or liberty. As such, due process isn't part of the administrative process.

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Patently false.

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What right, property, or liberty is being deprived?

GrowlTowel said:

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Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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The great majority of these 20 million illegals should have been turned away at the border as they came in against our laws to begin with. That is why the due process argument is not applicable to most of those here. Absent the open border policy of the last Administration, most of those who entered our country would have been turned away at the border as they tried to enter or within a few days according to our laws. Unfortunately the past Administration chose not to enforce laws that did not agree with their political needs, so they allowed most of the illegals to say they required asylum knowing the backlog of cases would take years reach immigration courts; so they simply released them into the country until their hearing date. Make no mistake, this entire policy was illegal from its inception .But make no mistake this is an assertion without evidence. "THE ENTIRE POLICY WAS ILLEGAL FROM THE START is your assertion. You have generalized to nonsense because there is no evidence to your claim of THE "entire policy."

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"The great majority of these 20 million illegals should have been turned away at the border But they weren't so now they get due process as the Constitution says as they came in against our laws to begin with. That is why the due process argument is not applicable to most of those here."

Wrong headed answer. We don't if the entered illegally until a court of law says so. Because in arrest for murder does automatically mean they ar jailed. They have their day in court.

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We are not jailing illegals. We are sending them home. We are not depriving them of any right, property, or liberty. As such, due process isn't part of the administrative process.

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So true

gtownbear said:

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The great majority of these 20 million illegals should have been turned away at the border as they came in against our laws to begin with.

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Under Biden a majority of them were.

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/breaking-down-the-immigration-figures/

GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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The great majority of these 20 million illegals should have been turned away at the border as they came in against our laws to begin with. That is why the due process argument is not applicable to most of those here. Absent the open border policy of the last Administration, most of those who entered our country would have been turned away at the border as they tried to enter or within a few days according to our laws. Unfortunately the past Administration chose not to enforce laws that did not agree with their political needs, so they allowed most of the illegals to say they required asylum knowing the backlog of cases would take years reach immigration courts; so they simply released them into the country until their hearing date. Make no mistake, this entire policy was illegal from its inception .But make no mistake this is an assertion without evidence. "THE ENTIRE POLICY WAS ILLEGAL FROM THE START is your assertion. You have generalized to nonsense because there is no evidence to your claim of THE "entire policy."

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"The great majority of these 20 million illegals should have been turned away at the border But they weren't so now they get due process as the Constitution says as they came in against our laws to begin with. That is why the due process argument is not applicable to most of those here."

Wrong headed answer. We don't if the entered illegally until a court of law says so. Because in arrest for murder does automatically mean they ar jailed. They have their day in court.

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We are not jailing illegals. We are sending them home. We are not depriving them of any right, property, or liberty. As such, due process isn't part of the administrative process.

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Patently false.

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What right, property, or liberty is being deprived?

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I've already explained the liberty interests implicated by deportation itself, but more to the point, we aren't just sending them home. It is undisputed in the CECOT cases that we're imprisoning people via contract with a third party government.

Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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The great majority of these 20 million illegals should have been turned away at the border as they came in against our laws to begin with. That is why the due process argument is not applicable to most of those here. Absent the open border policy of the last Administration, most of those who entered our country would have been turned away at the border as they tried to enter or within a few days according to our laws. Unfortunately the past Administration chose not to enforce laws that did not agree with their political needs, so they allowed most of the illegals to say they required asylum knowing the backlog of cases would take years reach immigration courts; so they simply released them into the country until their hearing date. Make no mistake, this entire policy was illegal from its inception .But make no mistake this is an assertion without evidence. "THE ENTIRE POLICY WAS ILLEGAL FROM THE START is your assertion. You have generalized to nonsense because there is no evidence to your claim of THE "entire policy."

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"The great majority of these 20 million illegals should have been turned away at the border But they weren't so now they get due process as the Constitution says as they came in against our laws to begin with. That is why the due process argument is not applicable to most of those here."

Wrong headed answer. We don't if the entered illegally until a court of law says so. Because in arrest for murder does automatically mean they ar jailed. They have their day in court.

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We are not jailing illegals. We are sending them home. We are not depriving them of any right, property, or liberty. As such, due process isn't part of the administrative process.

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Patently false.

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What right, property, or liberty is being deprived?

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I've already explained the liberty interests implicated by deportation itself, but more to the point, we aren't just sending them home. It is undisputed in the CECOT cases that we're imprisoning people via contract with a third party government.

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So no right, property, or liberty has been deprived?

Just something that you call "liberty interests?"

Has someone given your noggin a flogging?

GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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The great majority of these 20 million illegals should have been turned away at the border as they came in against our laws to begin with. That is why the due process argument is not applicable to most of those here. Absent the open border policy of the last Administration, most of those who entered our country would have been turned away at the border as they tried to enter or within a few days according to our laws. Unfortunately the past Administration chose not to enforce laws that did not agree with their political needs, so they allowed most of the illegals to say they required asylum knowing the backlog of cases would take years reach immigration courts; so they simply released them into the country until their hearing date. Make no mistake, this entire policy was illegal from its inception .But make no mistake this is an assertion without evidence. "THE ENTIRE POLICY WAS ILLEGAL FROM THE START is your assertion. You have generalized to nonsense because there is no evidence to your claim of THE "entire policy."

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"The great majority of these 20 million illegals should have been turned away at the border But they weren't so now they get due process as the Constitution says as they came in against our laws to begin with. That is why the due process argument is not applicable to most of those here."

Wrong headed answer. We don't if the entered illegally until a court of law says so. Because in arrest for murder does automatically mean they ar jailed. They have their day in court.

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We are not jailing illegals. We are sending them home. We are not depriving them of any right, property, or liberty. As such, due process isn't part of the administrative process.

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Patently false.

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What right, property, or liberty is being deprived?

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I've already explained the liberty interests implicated by deportation itself, but more to the point, we aren't just sending them home. It is undisputed in the CECOT cases that we're imprisoning people via contract with a third party government.

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So no right, property, or liberty has been deprived?

Just something that you call "liberty interests?"

Has someone given your noggin a flogging?

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Has someone given you a law degree?

Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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The great majority of these 20 million illegals should have been turned away at the border as they came in against our laws to begin with. That is why the due process argument is not applicable to most of those here. Absent the open border policy of the last Administration, most of those who entered our country would have been turned away at the border as they tried to enter or within a few days according to our laws. Unfortunately the past Administration chose not to enforce laws that did not agree with their political needs, so they allowed most of the illegals to say they required asylum knowing the backlog of cases would take years reach immigration courts; so they simply released them into the country until their hearing date. Make no mistake, this entire policy was illegal from its inception .But make no mistake this is an assertion without evidence. "THE ENTIRE POLICY WAS ILLEGAL FROM THE START is your assertion. You have generalized to nonsense because there is no evidence to your claim of THE "entire policy."

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"The great majority of these 20 million illegals should have been turned away at the border But they weren't so now they get due process as the Constitution says as they came in against our laws to begin with. That is why the due process argument is not applicable to most of those here."

Wrong headed answer. We don't if the entered illegally until a court of law says so. Because in arrest for murder does automatically mean they ar jailed. They have their day in court.

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We are not jailing illegals. We are sending them home. We are not depriving them of any right, property, or liberty. As such, due process isn't part of the administrative process.

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Patently false.

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What right, property, or liberty is being deprived?

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I've already explained the liberty interests implicated by deportation itself, but more to the point, we aren't just sending them home. It is undisputed in the CECOT cases that we're imprisoning people via contract with a third party government.

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So no right, property, or liberty has been deprived?

Just something that you call "liberty interests?"

Has someone given your noggin a flogging?

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Has someone given you a law degree?

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Not how forums work, Sam.


Cry more.

Sam Lowry said:

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gtownbear said:

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The great majority of these 20 million illegals should have been turned away at the border as they came in against our laws to begin with.

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Under Biden a majority of them were.

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/breaking-down-the-immigration-figures/

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How could they be here if Biden turned them away? I recall him waving them all in; and the videos I saw each night showed the illegals flooding across our border, non-stop for four years.

gtownbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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gtownbear said:

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The great majority of these 20 million illegals should have been turned away at the border as they came in against our laws to begin with.

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Under Biden a majority of them were.

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/breaking-down-the-immigration-figures/

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How could they be here if Biden turned them away?

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They aren't. In many ways, you folks are living in an alternate reality.

Sam Lowry said:

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gtownbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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gtownbear said:

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The great majority of these 20 million illegals should have been turned away at the border as they came in against our laws to begin with.

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Under Biden a majority of them were.

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/breaking-down-the-immigration-figures/

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How could they be here if Biden turned them away?

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They aren't. In many ways, you folks are living in an alternate reality.

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Someone is.

Cancer treatment was withheld from J6 detainees but withholding sex change hormones is a bridge too far for our esteemed Judiciary.

What a debacle. https://t.co/zhSvpY9MxC

— IT Guy (@ITGuy1959) June 3, 2025

I need to Pray harder. We are in real trouble. Some of these judges must have pulled their black robes out of a crackerjack box.

Adriacus Peratuun said:

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The issue arising from the immigration cases is substantially the same as arising under cases in other areas:

Judicial overreach.

While the SCOTUS opinion that illegals are entitled to Due Process might be wrong, at least it a defensible position.
The real problem is the judiciary intervening to describe what process is due and how it must be administered. Those questions belong to the legislative (what process) and executive branches (how to administer). Courts are constitutionally prohibited from making policy but they forge ahead doing so. It is mandatory school busing and seizure of prison systems all over again. The only real question they should be asking is whether a constitutional and/or statutory basis exists for the action. Installing a process or grading the usage of the process is stepping outside their constitutional role.

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Any lawyers around. Is Adrict correct?

Waco1947 said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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The issue arising from the immigration cases is substantially the same as arising under cases in other areas:

Judicial overreach.

While the SCOTUS opinion that illegals are entitled to Due Process might be wrong, at least it a defensible position.
The real problem is the judiciary intervening to describe what process is due and how it must be administered. Those questions belong to the legislative (what process) and executive branches (how to administer). Courts are constitutionally prohibited from making policy but they forge ahead doing so. It is mandatory school busing and seizure of prison systems all over again. The only real question they should be asking is whether a constitutional and/or statutory basis exists for the action. Installing a process or grading the usage of the process is stepping outside their constitutional role.

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Any lawyers around. Is Adrict correct?

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It's complete nonsense.