The future automation of the workforce

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FLBear5630 said:

What scares me is the information we are not seeing. The use of Big Data and now AI to corral us into decisions is my fear. I fear we are in an AI driven war in Iran, where the data is skewed to convince actions.

We are seeing more and more middle level people be told to use Co-Pilot. AI is being used to substitute for experience. The "right people" being promoted with little experience using AI to supplement. These are the things that scare me going forward. Whoever controls the software, will control the action going forward.
If you understand Ai, you control the software. TV and social media have more detrimental influence than Ai. People using Ai to leverage social media influence is simply the amalgamation of human activity. Intellectual laziness is what Ai can influence.
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And sadly in most areas they will not be voted out because people won't go vote or will forget this when it is election time.
FLBear5630
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In an ideal world. I trust the tech companies less than i trust Trump. I am seeing too much God complex coming from that sector. Too much use of data to accomplish other objectives.

You may control the software, but not the source code. What biad is built in the system, we are reaching a point where we cannot even check.
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FLBear5630 said:

In an ideal world. I trust the tech companies less than i trust Trump. I am seeing too much God complex coming from that sector. Too much use of data to accomplish other objectives.

You may control the software, but not the source code. What biad is built in the system, we are reaching a point where we cannot even check.
It's become much easier to check. In fact you can speak in your natural language to check, and deep dive across multiple data sources.

I think many fears of Ai come from a lack of understanding of it or how to use it.
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ATL Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

In an ideal world. I trust the tech companies less than i trust Trump. I am seeing too much God complex coming from that sector. Too much use of data to accomplish other objectives.

You may control the software, but not the source code. What biad is built in the system, we are reaching a point where we cannot even check.


I think many fears of Ai come from a lack of understanding of it or how to use it.


Some of the leading names in the field of AI/AGI who understand it better than most have some fear of what it could become. Having some healthy fear of potential unwanted outcomes seems warranted.

It doesn't have to be "the sky is falling" all the time...but there is certainly potential for substantial negative outcomes for society.
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boognish_bear said:

ATL Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

In an ideal world. I trust the tech companies less than i trust Trump. I am seeing too much God complex coming from that sector. Too much use of data to accomplish other objectives.

You may control the software, but not the source code. What biad is built in the system, we are reaching a point where we cannot even check.


I think many fears of Ai come from a lack of understanding of it or how to use it.


Some of the leading names in the field of AI/AGI who understand it better than most have some fear of what it could become. Having some healthy fear of potential unwanted outcomes seems warranted.

It doesn't have to be "the sky is falling" all the time...but there is certainly potential for substantial negative outcomes for society.
I've been a part of symposiums on this very subject, and the one consistent theme in all of them is "in the hands of bad actors". In other words, it ultimately boils down to nefarious human endeavor, not evil tech. I also have faith in humans to be able to counter the fears (mostly unknown and speculative) that we believe can/could exist.
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I have a hard time convincing myself that the tech billionaires are really going to want to share the wealth…

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What you describe is exactly what I am talking about. We are putting trust in the "data", but are we being shown what the less than scrupulous (stop short of nefarious) want us to see, especially if it results in their enrichment or power.
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I think there is also a potential for danger beyond anyone being nefarious just because everyone is racing to be first.

That can inevitably lead to cutting corners and releasing versions that have not been thoroughly vetted for safety.
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Sam Altman told the Commonwealth Bank of Australia conference in Sydney yesterday that the AI "jobs apocalypse" he had warned about is not happening. His exact words were "I'm delighted to be wrong about this." This is the same Altman who told the Hard Fork podcast last year that customer support workers "will lose their jobs," and who had predicted AI would compress 75 years of job turnover into a much shorter window. Anthropic's Dario Amodei made similar predictions in 2024, warning AI could eliminate up to 50% of entry-level white-collar jobs within five years. OpenAI is reportedly preparing for an IPO at a $1 trillion valuation.

My Take
Altman went from "AI will replace customer support workers" to "I'm delighted to be wrong" in roughly twelve months. OpenAI cannot file an S-1 while its CEO is publicly promising to wipe out the labor market, and the political mood around AI companies has hardened since that Hard Fork interview ran. The same week Altman walks this back, Uber's COO admits AI ROI is not closing, Microsoft cancels internal Claude Code licenses, and Google AI Pro strips credits from paid subscribers.

AI layoffs have mostly covered for cuts companies wanted to make anyway. The productivity gains did not arrive at the pace the labs promised. Altman is now lowering expectations ahead of a $1 trillion IPO that has to clear public market scrutiny. None of this means AI will not eventually change how people work, but the loudest voices in the room are quietly tuning down their predictions because the largest enterprise customers stopped buying the original story.
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FLBear5630 said:

What you describe is exactly what I am talking about. We are putting trust in the "data", but are we being shown what the less than scrupulous (stop short of nefarious) want us to see, especially if it results in their enrichment or power.
We put trust in data all the time. I'm not really sure how to address a fear of information.
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boognish_bear said:

I think there is also a potential for danger beyond anyone being nefarious just because everyone is racing to be first.

That can inevitably lead to cutting corners and releasing versions that have not been thoroughly vetted for safety.
What scenarios do you feel could/would occur in a corner cutting release?
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ATL Bear said:

boognish_bear said:

I think there is also a potential for danger beyond anyone being nefarious just because everyone is racing to be first.

That can inevitably lead to cutting corners and releasing versions that have not been thoroughly vetted for safety.
What scenarios do you feel could/would occur in a corner cutting release?


We have potentially already seen some of it with chatbots possibly encouraging kids down a suicidal path...

https://fortune.com/2026/03/07/chatbots-ai-psychosis-worsen-delusions-mania-mental-illness-health/

https://www.kqed.org/news/12078982/google-updates-suicide-self-harm-safeguards-in-gemini-as-ai-lawsuits-mount

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/leading-ai-company-ban-kids-chatbots-lawsuit-blames-app-childs-death
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Guess we will have to wait and see if it's just the initial cost of getting it up and running before it becomes profitable… or if the way it is currently being structured is unable to be profitable....

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boognish_bear said:



SkyNet to make Humanity safer, say experts.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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It is not the fear of information. It is the fear of who controls what we see as information. Huge difference.

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You realize this is way over sensationalized. This was a literal sandbox exercise they did on their model, designed to get an extreme reaction. They intentionally set the parameters to stimulate an outcome like this. No one tells you that part. The part where the model was assigned with the specific objective of staying "alive" at all costs. They also shut down multiple avenues of action, like instructions that no one was able to be talked to about being shut down including Kyle (the person who was blackmailed), and was "tasked" with doing it that day/immediately.
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FLBear5630 said:

It is not the fear of information. It is the fear of who controls what we see as information. Huge difference.


I understand this concern relative to media including and in particular social media. I'm less clear on your Ai angle here.
FLBear5630
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You assume it is different. AI "alignment discretion", "confirmation bias" programming, or a "hallucination-by-design whatever the term du jour. We are moving to more algorithms and less transparency.

https://seas.harvard.edu/news/seas-researchers-expose-hidden-alignment-discretion-shaping-ai-behavior
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FLBear5630 said:

You assume it is different. AI "alignment discretion", "confirmation bias" programming, or a "hallucination-by-design whatever the term du jour. We are moving to more algorithms and less transparency.

https://seas.harvard.edu/news/seas-researchers-expose-hidden-alignment-discretion-shaping-ai-behavior
I assume that social media and Ai are different? Of course they are. I think you're trying to talk out of your league here, and are now conflating different things. How bias and drift operate in Ai, and what is done to limit that, is completely different from algorithmic guidance built on social interaction feedback loops which drive why Facebook, instagram, X etc. push us to or enable.
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Did you look at the article? I am talking about AI/machine learning bias. Not social media. AI/ml for actionable data. The data prompting action is being skewed by what the AI/ml whatever you want to call it is showing decision makers. I used those terms to show this is not a one off I am coming up with out of the blue. How the AI is presenting data to decision makers is an issue and it is getting less transparent as humans are not serving an annotator role and algorithms are replacing them. This is not just a social media issue, it is an actionable data issue as AI/ML is being used in medicine, traffic, airlines, etc. I live in Ops and see more and more reliance on AI for decision making. Every time we look into the full data we are surprised by what we find that did not get brought to our attention.
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FLBear5630 said:

Did you look at the article? I am talking about AI/machine learning bias. Not social media. AI/ml for actionable data. The data prompting action is being skewed by what the AI/ml whatever you want to call it is showing decision makers. I used those terms to show this is not a one off I am coming up with out of the blue. How the AI is presenting data to decision makers is an issue and it is getting less transparent as humans are not serving an annotator role and algorithms are replacing them. This is not just a social media issue, it is an actionable data issue as AI/ML is being used in medicine, traffic, airlines, etc. I live in Ops and see more and more reliance on AI for decision making. Every time we look into the full data we are surprised by what we find that did not get brought to our attention.
Bad design models are not the problem of the tech, they are the problem of deployers and even users. Ai or any tech tool for that matter, can fall victim to garbage in and garbage out. There's a difference between bias and drift, and I thought we were on the former.

I know firsthand the limitations and problems Ai can present to organizations if done poorly. There have been some spectacular failings in companies. But let's not forget the long history of technology implementation and ROI failures littering the corporate roads of the past. This is no different with Ai. As I said in the beginning of this interchange, both the hype and fear of Ai are overstated. But some of this chatter borders on unwarranted paranoia, and I'm trying to focus on the realities, including the reality that it is a true disruptor.
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This is an area I'm in alignment with those who are otherwise classified as anti-Ai or anti-DC. No special carve outs for these initiatives or others for that matter. Make your state, city, county, etc. competitive broadly by making these tax breaks available to all businesses and/or citizens, not special interests or projects.
 
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