North Korea Makes an Offer

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GolemIII said:

Reading your posts is like sitting in a car with toddlers who are constantly whining "ARE WE THERE YET?!?!"
Your Daddy Trump told us all that we were there.

Now he says otherwise.
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pruritus_ani said:

GolemIII said:

Reading your posts is like sitting in a car with toddlers who are constantly whining "ARE WE THERE YET?!?!"
Your Daddy Trump told us all that we were there.

Now he says otherwise.


First, I'm glad you recognize you are acting like a toddler. Good for you. Unfortunately, like a toddler, you don't appear capable of listening and comprehending.
HuMcK
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"Sources" saying Vietnam is the site of the second Trump/Kim meeting.
HuMcK
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Summit called to an early end, no agreements reached (not unexpectedly), not even a symbolic and vague statement of cooperation this time. POTUS did manage to absolve Kim of Otto Warmbier's death by torture in a North Korea prison camp though, so there's that. Maybe at least this time POTUS won't tweet-declare the end of the NK nuclear threat on the way home.
HuMcK
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Meanwhile, North and South Korea are engaging independently of The US while Kim stalls and strings us along. US sanctions won't mean dick if (nuclear-armed) North and South Korea integrate their economies.
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HuMcK said:

Summit called to an early end, no agreements reached (not unexpectedly), not even a symbolic and vague statement of cooperation this time. POTUS did manage to absolve Kim of Otto Warmbier's death by torture in a North Korea prison camp though, so there's that. Maybe at least this time POTUS won't tweet-declare the end of the NK nuclear threat on the way home.

A third Nobel nomination coming? Abe, Abe?
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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quash said:

HuMcK said:

Summit called to an early end, no agreements reached (not unexpectedly), not even a symbolic and vague statement of cooperation this time. POTUS did manage to absolve Kim of Otto Warmbier's death by torture in a North Korea prison camp though, so there's that. Maybe at least this time POTUS won't tweet-declare the end of the NK nuclear threat on the way home.

A third Nobel nomination coming? Abe, Abe?
There is peace since POTUS took office.
Had HRC been elected, I'd play my hand on war.

Surely peace is worth something?

We just escaped the last POTUS who dropped a record 16k bombs his last year in office all for a greedy congress who makes money on those "war" efforts.

It's odd that you fail to see both parties, MSM and everyone in between against POTUS, knowing they want war for profit. They are screaming because POTUS is screwing their cash cow for now.
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Right on cue Huck shows up to bash Trump on NK even though basically nothing happened while he still ignores that the only reason NK and SK are talking is because of Trump.
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cowboycwr said:

Right on cue Huck shows up to bash Trump on NK even though basically nothing happened while he still ignores that the only reason NK and SK are talking is because of Trump.
He doesn't want them talking. Talking is bad!
quash
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Sam Lowry said:

cowboycwr said:

Right on cue Huck shows up to bash Trump on NK even though basically nothing happened while he still ignores that the only reason NK and SK are talking is because of Trump.
He doesn't want them talking. Talking is bad!
Depends.

Talking to the US president gives cred to a murderous dictator. Which is OK if you get something out of it. Talks were cut short today because of lack of progress.

What have we given up? What have we gotten?
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
ATL Bear
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quash said:

Sam Lowry said:

cowboycwr said:

Right on cue Huck shows up to bash Trump on NK even though basically nothing happened while he still ignores that the only reason NK and SK are talking is because of Trump.
He doesn't want them talking. Talking is bad!
Depends.

Talking to the US president gives cred to a murderous dictator. Which is OK if you get something out of it. Talks were cut short today because of lack of progress.

What have we given up? What have we gotten?
Less dependence on China in these negotiations and direct dialogue. An easing of tensions from the "Rocketman" days when everyone swore Trump was going to get us into a nuclear war.

Haven't seen much given up so far.
Waco1947
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ATL Bear said:

quash said:

Sam Lowry said:

cowboycwr said:

Right on cue Huck shows up to bash Trump on NK even though basically nothing happened while he still ignores that the only reason NK and SK are talking is because of Trump.
He doesn't want them talking. Talking is bad!
Depends.

Talking to the US president gives cred to a murderous dictator. Which is OK if you get something out of it. Talks were cut short today because of lack of progress.

What have we given up? What have we gotten?
Less dependence on China in these negotiations and direct dialogue. An easing of tensions from the "Rocketman" days when everyone swore Trump was going to get us into a nuclear war.

Haven't seen much given up so far.
you have to admit "fire and fury" is a threat of nuclear war. It was a hollow threat but NK is crazy.
Waco1947
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It's an old game plan that is trotted out every few years to get sanctions lifted.
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ATL Bear said:

quash said:

Sam Lowry said:

cowboycwr said:

Right on cue Huck shows up to bash Trump on NK even though basically nothing happened while he still ignores that the only reason NK and SK are talking is because of Trump.
He doesn't want them talking. Talking is bad!
Depends.

Talking to the US president gives cred to a murderous dictator. Which is OK if you get something out of it. Talks were cut short today because of lack of progress.

What have we given up? What have we gotten?
Less dependence on China in these negotiations and direct dialogue. An easing of tensions from the "Rocketman" days when everyone swore Trump was going to get us into a nuclear war.

Haven't seen much given up so far.
An easing of the tensions Trump created: The Trump Doctrine.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
ATL Bear
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quash said:

ATL Bear said:

quash said:

Sam Lowry said:

cowboycwr said:

Right on cue Huck shows up to bash Trump on NK even though basically nothing happened while he still ignores that the only reason NK and SK are talking is because of Trump.
He doesn't want them talking. Talking is bad!
Depends.

Talking to the US president gives cred to a murderous dictator. Which is OK if you get something out of it. Talks were cut short today because of lack of progress.

What have we given up? What have we gotten?
Less dependence on China in these negotiations and direct dialogue. An easing of tensions from the "Rocketman" days when everyone swore Trump was going to get us into a nuclear war.

Haven't seen much given up so far.
An easing of the tensions Trump created: The Trump Doctrine.
Reagan also escalated before deescalating. So Reagan Doctrine.
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Waco1947 said:

ATL Bear said:

quash said:

Sam Lowry said:

cowboycwr said:

Right on cue Huck shows up to bash Trump on NK even though basically nothing happened while he still ignores that the only reason NK and SK are talking is because of Trump.
He doesn't want them talking. Talking is bad!
Depends.

Talking to the US president gives cred to a murderous dictator. Which is OK if you get something out of it. Talks were cut short today because of lack of progress.

What have we given up? What have we gotten?
Less dependence on China in these negotiations and direct dialogue. An easing of tensions from the "Rocketman" days when everyone swore Trump was going to get us into a nuclear war.

Haven't seen much given up so far.
you have to admit "fire and fury" is a threat of nuclear war. It was a hollow threat but NK is crazy.


Crazy = Waco1947!!!!!!!!! Geez
TexasScientist
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Seat of the pants/gut feeling: Trump Doctrine.
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TexasScientist said:

Seat of the pants/gut feeling: Trump Doctrine.


^^^ Funny the people that have had .0001% of the success in business that Trump has, that come here to advise us of Trump's lack of business or negotiating skills
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TexasScientist said:

Seat of the pants/gut feeling: Trump Doctrine.


So far the Trump doctrine resulted in direct dialogue.

The Clinton doctrine resulted in giving DPRK light water nuclear reactors and providing them heating oil to free up tgeir cash for their nuclear program.

Obama's doctrine (everywhere else) was covertly giving away hundreds of millions of dollars, drawing imaginary red lines and leading from behind....basically showing weakness, supporting wildly destructive internecine religious wars and providing ready cash to their source of funding.

I'll take Trump's doctrine any day.
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ATL Bear said:

quash said:

ATL Bear said:

quash said:

Sam Lowry said:

cowboycwr said:

Right on cue Huck shows up to bash Trump on NK even though basically nothing happened while he still ignores that the only reason NK and SK are talking is because of Trump.
He doesn't want them talking. Talking is bad!
Depends.

Talking to the US president gives cred to a murderous dictator. Which is OK if you get something out of it. Talks were cut short today because of lack of progress.

What have we given up? What have we gotten?
Less dependence on China in these negotiations and direct dialogue. An easing of tensions from the "Rocketman" days when everyone swore Trump was going to get us into a nuclear war.

Haven't seen much given up so far.
An easing of the tensions Trump created: The Trump Doctrine.
Reagan also escalated before deescalating. So Reagan Doctrine.


Excellent point .
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quash said:

Sam Lowry said:

cowboycwr said:

Right on cue Huck shows up to bash Trump on NK even though basically nothing happened while he still ignores that the only reason NK and SK are talking is because of Trump.
He doesn't want them talking. Talking is bad!
Depends.

Talking to the US president gives cred to a murderous dictator. Which is OK if you get something out of it. Talks were cut short today because of lack of progress.

What have we given up? What have we gotten?


It's odd that all the people screaming about Trump "cozying up to a murderous dictator" had no problems with Obama cozying up to the Castro brothers.
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JXL said:

quash said:

Sam Lowry said:

cowboycwr said:

Right on cue Huck shows up to bash Trump on NK even though basically nothing happened while he still ignores that the only reason NK and SK are talking is because of Trump.
He doesn't want them talking. Talking is bad!
Depends.

Talking to the US president gives cred to a murderous dictator. Which is OK if you get something out of it. Talks were cut short today because of lack of progress.

What have we given up? What have we gotten?


It's odd that all the people screaming about Trump "cozying up to a murderous dictator" had no problems with Obama cozying up to the Castro brothers.


Or Muslim Brotherhood or Iran or any dictatorship on earth over freedom anywhere

Obama, the wanna-be Socialist dictator
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JXL said:

quash said:

Sam Lowry said:

cowboycwr said:

Right on cue Huck shows up to bash Trump on NK even though basically nothing happened while he still ignores that the only reason NK and SK are talking is because of Trump.
He doesn't want them talking. Talking is bad!
Depends.

Talking to the US president gives cred to a murderous dictator. Which is OK if you get something out of it. Talks were cut short today because of lack of progress.

What have we given up? What have we gotten?


It's odd that all the people screaming about Trump "cozying up to a murderous dictator" had no problems with Obama cozying up to the Castro brothers.

It's odd you think I'm screaming.

And Cuba is changing its constitution to add more personal and market freedoms.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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quash said:

JXL said:

quash said:

Sam Lowry said:

cowboycwr said:

Right on cue Huck shows up to bash Trump on NK even though basically nothing happened while he still ignores that the only reason NK and SK are talking is because of Trump.
He doesn't want them talking. Talking is bad!
Depends.

Talking to the US president gives cred to a murderous dictator. Which is OK if you get something out of it. Talks were cut short today because of lack of progress.

What have we given up? What have we gotten?


It's odd that all the people screaming about Trump "cozying up to a murderous dictator" had no problems with Obama cozying up to the Castro brothers.

It's odd you think I'm screaming.

And Cuba is changing its constitution to add more personal and market freedoms.


Didn't say *you* were screaming but I apologize for the use of the word. There are people screaming about it all over my FB page.

And so what? North Korea's constitution guarantees personal liberties too.
HuMcK
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JXL said:

quash said:

Sam Lowry said:

cowboycwr said:

Right on cue Huck shows up to bash Trump on NK even though basically nothing happened while he still ignores that the only reason NK and SK are talking is because of Trump.
He doesn't want them talking. Talking is bad!
Depends.

Talking to the US president gives cred to a murderous dictator. Which is OK if you get something out of it. Talks were cut short today because of lack of progress.

What have we given up? What have we gotten?


It's odd that all the people screaming about Trump "cozying up to a murderous dictator" had no problems with Obama cozying up to the Castro brothers.

You're gonna have to show where Obama publicly absolved the Castros for the killing of an American prisoner like Trump just did with Kim, because I don't remember anything like that at all. I don't remember Obama ever saying he was "friends" with the Castros either. I get buttering up a negotiation partner and limiting negative public comments, but there are smarter ways to go about that than what we've seen.

Meanwhile, the Warmbier's understandably aren't thrilled with what he said.
TexasScientist
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JXL said:

quash said:

Sam Lowry said:

cowboycwr said:

Right on cue Huck shows up to bash Trump on NK even though basically nothing happened while he still ignores that the only reason NK and SK are talking is because of Trump.
He doesn't want them talking. Talking is bad!
Depends.

Talking to the US president gives cred to a murderous dictator. Which is OK if you get something out of it. Talks were cut short today because of lack of progress.

What have we given up? What have we gotten?


It's odd that all the people screaming about Trump "cozying up to a murderous dictator" had no problems with Obama cozying up to the Castro brothers.
That is true. But it goes the other way also. All the people falling on their swords for Trump because they like some of his policies, would be the first to condemn those who supported Obama if Obama had conducted himself in the same manner as Trump. They would have said his behaviour should be a disqualifier for presidency, regardless of how much you like his policies. (BTW - I'm not an Obama supporter). There is a lot of hypocrisy in the Republican Party right now.
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“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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TexasScientist said:

JXL said:

quash said:

Sam Lowry said:

cowboycwr said:

Right on cue Huck shows up to bash Trump on NK even though basically nothing happened while he still ignores that the only reason NK and SK are talking is because of Trump.
He doesn't want them talking. Talking is bad!
Depends.

Talking to the US president gives cred to a murderous dictator. Which is OK if you get something out of it. Talks were cut short today because of lack of progress.

What have we given up? What have we gotten?


It's odd that all the people screaming about Trump "cozying up to a murderous dictator" had no problems with Obama cozying up to the Castro brothers.
That is true. But it goes the other way also. All the people falling on their swords for Trump because they like some of his policies, would be the first to condemn those who supported Obama if Obama had conducted himself in the same manner as Trump. They would have said his behaviour should be a disqualifier for presidency, regardless of how much you like his policies. (BTW - I'm not an Obama supporter). There is a lot of hypocrisy in the Republican Party right now.


Obama promoted Muslim Brotherhood to continue hanging, chopping off heads and shooting them

Trump stops that dead in tracks and negotiations are held under beliefs the dictator has stopped his barbarism
J.R.
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And once again that chicken chit Trumps, takes the side of brutal dictator/killer (Kim) relative to the NK regime killing an American citizen. (Otto W). Just like he takes the side of Putin, and MBS. Way to go Trumps. Cozy up to dictators who kill our people because you are so small that you just want those thugs to like you!. Great leadership. Trumps should be ashamed.
TexasScientist
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Florda_mike said:

TexasScientist said:

Seat of the pants/gut feeling: Trump Doctrine.


^^^ Funny the people that have had .0001% of the success in business that Trump has, that come here to advise us of Trump's lack of business or negotiating skills
Haven't seen him walk on water yet. What business success he has had is in large part due to inheritance and following the recommendations of advisors. The policies he wants to pursue can be accomplished without his whimsical methodology. Unless luck prevails, his methods are going to be his downfall. The Southern District of NY is going to be a serious problem for he and his family.
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J.R. said:

And once again that chicken chit Trumps, takes the side of brutal dictator/killer (Kim) relative to the NK regime killing an American citizen. (Otto W). Just like he takes the side of Putin, and MBS. Way to go Trumps. Cozy up to dictators who kill our people because you are so small that you just want those thugs to like you!. Great leadership. Trumps should be ashamed.
And once again, Junior shows up to parrot liberal talking points.

Do you seriously think our current situation with NK would be better if Hillary had won??
JXL
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quash said:




That's 100 percent correct.
J.R.
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Johnny Bear said:

J.R. said:

And once again that chicken chit Trumps, takes the side of brutal dictator/killer (Kim) relative to the NK regime killing an American citizen. (Otto W). Just like he takes the side of Putin, and MBS. Way to go Trumps. Cozy up to dictators who kill our people because you are so small that you just want those thugs to like you!. Great leadership. Trumps should be ashamed.
And once again, Junior shows up to parrot liberal talking points.

Do you seriously think our current situation with NK would be better if Hillary had won??

As usual LJ, u missed the point entirely. Do I think it is ok for Trumps to side with Kim on Otto W?
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HuMcK said:



Didn't Trump announce the end of large scale excercises after the last summit with NK?
 
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