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Russia and China will be seen as the king makers regardless to this ends up. Even if nothing else positive comes from this, the South Korean president deserves Trump's Nobel Peace Prize.

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China is moving rapidly to fill the vacuum left by Trump as he pulls out of deals.

If only there were some economic counterweight to China's growth. Some kind of partnership with countries on the Pacific, but transcending that...

quash said:

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cinque said:

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Russia and China will be seen as the king makers regardless to this ends up. Even if nothing else positive comes from this, the South Korean president deserves Trump's Nobel Peace Prize.

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China is moving rapidly to fill the vacuum left by Trump as he pulls out of deals.

If only there were some economic counterweight to China's growth. Some kind of partnership with countries on the Pacific, but transcending that...

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Trump =s vacuum? Seriously?

Have you been alive the last 8 years???

Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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cinque said:

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Russia and China will be seen as the king makers regardless to this ends up. Even if nothing else positive comes from this, the South Korean president deserves Trump's Nobel Peace Prize.

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China is moving rapidly to fill the vacuum left by Trump as he pulls out of deals.

If only there were some economic counterweight to China's growth. Some kind of partnership with countries on the Pacific, but transcending that...

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Trump =s vacuum? Seriously?

Have you been alive the last 8 years???

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Pulled out of TPP, Paris Accords, JCPOA. Wake up.

quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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cinque said:

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Russia and China will be seen as the king makers regardless to this ends up. Even if nothing else positive comes from this, the South Korean president deserves Trump's Nobel Peace Prize.

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China is moving rapidly to fill the vacuum left by Trump as he pulls out of deals.

If only there were some economic counterweight to China's growth. Some kind of partnership with countries on the Pacific, but transcending that...

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Trump =s vacuum? Seriously?

Have you been alive the last 8 years???

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Pulled out of TPP, Paris Accords, JCPOA. Wake up.

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^^^ If you call the above leaving a vacuum for China then we ourselves were being sucked up by China too

Oh, that's where obama had us, I forgot

Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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cinque said:

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Russia and China will be seen as the king makers regardless to this ends up. Even if nothing else positive comes from this, the South Korean president deserves Trump's Nobel Peace Prize.

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China is moving rapidly to fill the vacuum left by Trump as he pulls out of deals.

If only there were some economic counterweight to China's growth. Some kind of partnership with countries on the Pacific, but transcending that...

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Trump =s vacuum? Seriously?

Have you been alive the last 8 years???

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Pulled out of TPP, Paris Accords, JCPOA. Wake up.

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^^^ If you call the above leaving a vacuum for China then we ourselves were being sucked up by China too

Oh, that's where obama had us, I forgot

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Had us. Now we're gone. Leaving a vacuum. That China is filling.

So, under obama, we filled the vacuum via these silly obama agreements done without Congress? Really?

Ok, we had China right where we wanted em then and now we don't? Ok, sure thing

So he's released 3 hostages and blown up the tunnels to one of his nuclear test sites BEFORE sitting down with Trump. Impressive. I still don't trust them but this is a good start.

Deal is already done. We'll just see formalities in June.

Hope you are right. For the safety of our 30,000 military personnel over there and the multi millions of innocent Koreans .

The biggest, and I mean biggest issue here relative to getting this done is Kim and Trumps have a vastly different definition of denuclearization. Kim mean the entire Peninsula has no nukes, including SK. Also, means us getting our troops of SK.

J.R. said:

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The biggest, and I mean biggest issue here relative to getting this done is Kim and Trumps have a vastly different definition of denuclearization. Kim mean the entire Peninsula has no nukes, including SK. Also, means us getting our troops of SK.

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It might not mean much more than poor message-discipline at this stage, but the administration's statements have actually shifted over the last week or so away from demanding "denuclearization". I still dont think we've heard from any North Koreans about denuclearizing either, that word has exclusively come from South Koreans and Americans this time around, and it's never seemed logical to me that they would offer to disarm right after they got the tech to viability. On Sunday, Pompeo conspicuously did not mention NK giving up their nukes, he said the end game is that NK could no longer threaten the US with nukes, which could be an allusion to renouncing specific missile technologies while still keeping the bomb. Lots of opacity here and not a lot of clear direction or answers about each party's bargaining position.

Bolton is still talking about CVID (Complete, Verifiable, Irreversible Disarmament) for what it's worth, but it's unclear how involved he is or how much influence he has over this process, since it started before his time in the government.

I would hope that this is not an acceptable outcome for the US negotiators.

Here comes the bluster.

HuMcK said:

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Here comes the bluster.

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There is satellite footage of them taking apart the reactor. Unless he cancels the May 23-25th press invitation to view the destruction of the facility and doesn't do the talks in June, everything else is the media trying to make Trump look Less Awesome.

South Korean News Agency is reporting that Lil' Kim has abruptly canceled high level talks with South Korea. White House caught off guard. Now doing what it does best; scrambling.

cinque said:

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South Korean News Agency is reporting that Lil' Kim has abruptly canceled high level talks with South Korea. White House caught off guard. Now doing what it does best; scrambling.

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Yeah sure, I think it's YOU that's scrambling?

This is an odd twist today. We've been conducting joint exercises with South Korea for forever. The North always pisses and moans about them, but they know (and always have known) exactly what we're doing.

{ shrug }

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This is an odd twist today. We've been conducting joint exercises with South Korea for forever. The North always pisses and moans about them, but they know (and always have known) exactly what we're doing.

{ shrug }

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Yeah, it's the same dance, just VIPs on the dance floor this time.

We should cancel the military exercises (this set) and call his bluff (if he's bluffing). If he's acting in good faith for once, canceling the exercise could prove worth it. If not, we can resume them and know he's not serious.

No we shouldnt. That would show we are willing to give him way too much. What Huck posted better not be the idea of what a good outcome is. If he is acting in good faith he meets anyhow.

I personally have suspected he has been stringing us along the whole time.

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HuMcK said:

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Here comes the bluster.

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There is satellite footage of them taking apart the reactor. Unless he cancels the May 23-25th press invitation to view the destruction of the facility and doesn't do the talks in June, everything else is the media trying to make Trump look Less Awesome.

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This blame the media thing is a little out of hand when you blame the Korean media for reporting facts, just because the facts don't exalt your Dear Leader.

I'd like to see a specific translation of what was said, but that's not great.

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We should cancel the military exercises (this set) and call his bluff (if he's bluffing). If he's acting in good faith for once, canceling the exercise could prove worth it. If not, we can resume them and know he's not serious.

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Totally agree

Cancel the exercise.

Time to take a chance.

These hos ain't loyal.

- Donald Trump

The statement also explicitly called out Bolton by name.

HuMcK said:

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I'd like to see a specific translation of what was said, but that's not great.

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This whole thing has seemed somewhat surreal. North Korea gets nuclear weapons, shows the world it has them, gives the world the finger. Trump blusters. North Korea (against the backdrop of an Olympic games held in the South) offers to meet with the South; offers to dismantle its entire nuclear program; offers a summit with Trump.

And asks for "what" exactly in return? Has nobody really thought to ask that question?

Be that as it may, talking (almost) always beats bombing.

fubar said:

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HuMcK said:

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I'd like to see a specific translation of what was said, but that's not great.

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This whole thing has seemed somewhat surreal. North Korea gets nuclear weapons, shows the world it has them, gives the world the finger. Trump blusters. North Korea (against the backdrop of an Olympic games held in the South) offers to meet with the South; offers to dismantle its entire nuclear program; offers a summit with Trump.

And asks for "what" exactly in return? Has nobody really thought to ask that question?

Be that as it may, talking (almost) always beats bombing.

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It's why you don't blow up the Iranian deal, first. NK has more to gain.

fubar said:

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HuMcK said:

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I'd like to see a specific translation of what was said, but that's not great.

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This whole thing has seemed somewhat surreal. North Korea gets nuclear weapons, shows the world it has them, gives the world the finger. Trump blusters. North Korea (against the backdrop of an Olympic games held in the South) offers to meet with the South; offers to dismantle its entire nuclear program; offers a summit with Trump.

And asks for "what" exactly in return? Has nobody really thought to ask that question?

Be that as it may, talking (almost) always beats bombing.

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Talking with NK is absolutely fine and worth doing, but all the crowing about a Nobel Peace Prize was perhaps a little premature.

This is the part where the Norks test how invested SK and the US are in this process, and maybe try to force a wedge between what the US and SK want.

Bolton, good grief. "Hey Kim, give up your nukes and you'll get the Ghadaffi deal."

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No we shouldnt. That would show we are willing to give him way too much. What Huck posted better not be the idea of what a good outcome is. If he is acting in good faith he meets anyhow.

I personally have suspected he has been stringing us along the whole time.

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Why would anyone trust anything Kim Jung Un does or says? The guy is interested in one thing: Keeping / expanding his power base.

So we are going to protect Un's regime from the people of NK seriously?? We are so desperate to get Un back to the table that we are promising something that stupid? Fortunately its Trump so you can be rest assured it is a lie.