YoakDaddy said:

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Romans 1; 23 They don't worship the glorious and eternal God. Instead, they worship idols that are made to look like humans who cannot live forever, and like birds, animals, and reptiles. "Idolatry"

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Keep reading big boy.

Romans 1:26-27 just for you...."26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

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them verse 23 and 26 together.
they worship idols. - vs 23
"Because of this" in verse 26 the "this" is idolatry

And Paul knew nothing of human sexuality identity or orientation

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That's because our identities (male and female the way God made us) are tied to God; therefore, he went on to describe homosexual acts as sin because those acts result from being apart from God.

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Do you think heterosexual acts are confined to shameful lusts?

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Romans 1; 23 They don't worship the glorious and eternal God. Instead, they worship idols that are made to look like humans who cannot live forever, and like birds, animals, and reptiles. "Idolatry"

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Keep reading big boy.

Romans 1:26-27 just for you...."26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

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them verse 23 and 26 together.
they worship idols. - vs 23
"Because of this" in verse 26 the "this" is idolatry

And Paul knew nothing of human sexuality identity or orientation

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That's because our identities (male and female the way God made us) are tied to God; therefore, he went on to describe homosexual acts as sin because those acts result from being apart from God.

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Do you think heterosexual acts are confined to shameful lusts?

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Why do you concern yourself with what Yoak writes or thinks. Concern yourself with God's word.

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That's because it and 47 pick and choose God's word. They ignore scripture that does not align with their secular worldview.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Romans 1; 23 They don't worship the glorious and eternal God. Instead, they worship idols that are made to look like humans who cannot live forever, and like birds, animals, and reptiles. "Idolatry"

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Keep reading big boy.

Romans 1:26-27 just for you...."26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

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them verse 23 and 26 together.
they worship idols. - vs 23
"Because of this" in verse 26 the "this" is idolatry

And Paul knew nothing of human sexuality identity or orientation

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"Surely, you will not die"

Who said it first, Satan or 47? "The snake"

But God said it "Surely on that day that you eat of the fruit did A & E die? What does chapter 3: 7 say? Surely they died!!!

You can't refute it this statement "them verse 23 and 26 together.
they worship idols. - vs 23

"Because of this" in verse 26 the "this" is idolatry

And Paul knew nothing of human sexuality identity or orientation." So you resort to silliness.

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Scroll past the gray, then post.

Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Romans 1; 23 They don't worship the glorious and eternal God. Instead, they worship idols that are made to look like humans who cannot live forever, and like birds, animals, and reptiles. "Idolatry"

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Keep reading big boy.

Romans 1:26-27 just for you...."26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

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them verse 23 and 26 together.
they worship idols. - vs 23
"Because of this" in verse 26 the "this" is idolatry

And Paul knew nothing of human sexuality identity or orientation

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"Surely, you will not die"

Who said it first, Satan or 47? "The snake"

But God said it "Surely on that day that you eat of the fruit did A & E die? What does chapter 3: 7 say? Surely they died!!!

You can't refute it this statement "them verse 23 and 26 together.
they worship idols. - vs 23

"Because of this" in verse 26 the "this" is idolatry

And Paul knew nothing of human sexuality identity or orientation." So you resort to silliness.

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try it again where it is understandable.

Did 1947 just call Paul dumb?

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Did 1947 just call Paul dumb?

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Well, not in proper English.

you guys do not speak for God. It's not your interpretation that counts.
It's God's love

Waco1947 said:

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you guys do not speak for God. It's not your interpretation that counts.
It's God's love

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It's quite obvious you never have.

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Waco1947 said:

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you guys do not speak for God. It's not your interpretation that counts.
It's God's love

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It's quite obvious you never have.

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None of us speak for God except to say "God is love, hope, justice, and on the side of the downtrodden and outcast.
Luke 1: Mary prays "
50 He always shows mercy
to everyone
who worships him.
51 The Lord has used
his powerful arm
to scatter those
who are proud.
52 He drags strong rulers
from their thrones
and puts humble people
in places of power.
53 God gives the hungry
good things to eat,
and sends the rich away
with nothing."

Luke 14 " Then Jesus said to the man who had invited him:

When you give a dinner or a banquet, don't invite your friends and family and relatives and rich neighbors. If you do, they will invite you in return, and you will be paid back. 13 When you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, and the blind. 14 They cannot pay you back. But God will bless you and reward you when his people rise from death."

This is the God that I speak for. What are your objections? With Mary? With Jesus?

Waco1947 said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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Waco1947 said:

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you guys do not speak for God. It's not your interpretation that counts.
It's God's love

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It's quite obvious you never have.

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None of us speak for God except to say "God is love, hope, justice, and on the side of the downtrodden and outcast.
Luke 1: Mary prays "
50 He always shows mercy
to everyone
who worships him.
51 The Lord has used
his powerful arm
to scatter those
who are proud.
52 He drags strong rulers
from their thrones
and puts humble people
in places of power.
53 God gives the hungry
good things to eat,
and sends the rich away
with nothing."

Luke 14 " Then Jesus said to the man who had invited him:

When you give a dinner or a banquet, don't invite your friends and family and relatives and rich neighbors. If you do, they will invite you in return, and you will be paid back. 13 When you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, and the blind. 14 They cannot pay you back. But God will bless you and reward you when his people rise from death."

This is the God that I speak for. What are your objections? With Mary? With Jesus?

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I have no issues with God, Jesus, or Mary. Does the Apostle Paul speak for God?

Waco1947 said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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Waco1947 said:

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you guys do not speak for God. It's not your interpretation that counts.
It's God's love

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It's quite obvious you never have.

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None of us speak for God except to say "God is love, hope, justice, and on the side of the downtrodden and outcast.
Luke 1: Mary prays "
50 He always shows mercy
to everyone
who worships him.
51 The Lord has used
his powerful arm
to scatter those
who are proud.
52 He drags strong rulers
from their thrones
and puts humble people
in places of power.
53 God gives the hungry
good things to eat,
and sends the rich away
with nothing."

Luke 14 " Then Jesus said to the man who had invited him:

When you give a dinner or a banquet, don't invite your friends and family and relatives and rich neighbors. If you do, they will invite you in return, and you will be paid back. 13 When you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, and the blind. 14 They cannot pay you back. But God will bless you and reward you when his people rise from death."

This is the God that I speak for. What are your objections? With Mary? With Jesus?

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Is there anything here relevant to the homosexuality discussion?

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Some of our more intelligent members wanna translate this corporate gibberish?

I assume this is the first in a long series of planned surrenders to the LGBT juggernaut by our leadership in the name of "creating a safe place for gay students"

"The Board also participated in a discussion with Janet B. Dean, Ph.D., associate professor of psychology at Asbury University and co-author of "Listening to Sexual Minorities: A Study of Faith and Sexual Identity on Christian Colleges Campuses." The Board discussed the ability of faith-based universities, like Baylor, to provide a loving, caring community because of their Christian missions while providing LGBTQ students with the support essential to their holistic growth and formation as adults. As part of her work at Asbury, Dr. Dean is actively involved in research that explores the intersectionality between faith and psychology. Her ongoing projects include sexuality identity on faith-based campuses, sexuality and religiosity, thoughts of God and psychological well-being, forgiveness, and counselor self-care, in addition to various student projects that she facilitates."

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would you pass a "morals" test? Would Jesus minister to the LGBT community?

tcbear said:

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Baylor accepts believing Muslims as students, yet it does not and cannot accept Islam as truth. While Baylor will treat Muslim students with kindness and respect as humans/students, it will not accept Islam as truth in the name of tolerance. Tolerance is not acceptance. Baylor has an established history of tolerating other faiths without engaging in conduct that could be construed as acceptance of a faith that is inconsistent with scripture. Hence, Baylor does not formally recognize Muslim or Buddhist student groups.

Likewise, Baylor will accept students who identify as homosexual, and will treat such students with kindness and respect, but will not formally sponsor any group that advocates conduct inconsistent with scripture. The very concept of gay pride is inconsistent with scripture, so Baylor will not formally sponsor a group that explicitly advocates for sin.

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The long debate here shows that the church community is deeply divided on this subject. It's certainly unclear if the Bible addresses persons who are born homosexual.

Your Islam comparison is also off because LGBTQ advocacy isn't another religion nor is it necessarily another truth. In fact, many gays are Christ followers. Furthermore, Christ-following gays are not of one mind about whether they should remain celibate.

Given BUs bad history on Title IX and its shaming of women for sexual activity, I think a group that advocates for loving and fair treatment of LGBTQ folks would be a good addition to the campus.

Educational funding and membership in the Big 12 are two reasons why the Biblical debate will not factor in adding them to campus.

It's the Pro Texana side that has been missing at Baylor. Less seminary and a higher educational ranking is needed after 20 years of steeple building.

Waco1947 said:

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Some of our more intelligent members wanna translate this corporate gibberish?

I assume this is the first in a long series of planned surrenders to the LGBT juggernaut by our leadership in the name of "creating a safe place for gay students"

"The Board also participated in a discussion with Janet B. Dean, Ph.D., associate professor of psychology at Asbury University and co-author of "Listening to Sexual Minorities: A Study of Faith and Sexual Identity on Christian Colleges Campuses." The Board discussed the ability of faith-based universities, like Baylor, to provide a loving, caring community because of their Christian missions while providing LGBTQ students with the support essential to their holistic growth and formation as adults. As part of her work at Asbury, Dr. Dean is actively involved in research that explores the intersectionality between faith and psychology. Her ongoing projects include sexuality identity on faith-based campuses, sexuality and religiosity, thoughts of God and psychological well-being, forgiveness, and counselor self-care, in addition to various student projects that she facilitates."

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1. Would you pass a "morals" test? (PS :Gay behavior in Same Sex marriage is not sin)
But have a morals test for gays why not for yourself - greed, conceit, gossip, back biting
2. Would Jesus minister to the LGBT community?

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Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Some of our more intelligent members wanna translate this corporate gibberish?

I assume this is the first in a long series of planned surrenders to the LGBT juggernaut by our leadership in the name of "creating a safe place for gay students"

"The Board also participated in a discussion with Janet B. Dean, Ph.D., associate professor of psychology at Asbury University and co-author of "Listening to Sexual Minorities: A Study of Faith and Sexual Identity on Christian Colleges Campuses." The Board discussed the ability of faith-based universities, like Baylor, to provide a loving, caring community because of their Christian missions while providing LGBTQ students with the support essential to their holistic growth and formation as adults. As part of her work at Asbury, Dr. Dean is actively involved in research that explores the intersectionality between faith and psychology. Her ongoing projects include sexuality identity on faith-based campuses, sexuality and religiosity, thoughts of God and psychological well-being, forgiveness, and counselor self-care, in addition to various student projects that she facilitates."

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1. Would you pass a "morals" test? (PS :Gay behavior in Same Sex marriage is not sin)
But have a morals test for gays why not for yourself - greed, conceit, gossip, back biting
2. Would Jesus minister to the LGBT community?

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Third time: scroll past the gray. THEN post. This is annoying AF.

Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Some of our more intelligent members wanna translate this corporate gibberish?

I assume this is the first in a long series of planned surrenders to the LGBT juggernaut by our leadership in the name of "creating a safe place for gay students"

"The Board also participated in a discussion with Janet B. Dean, Ph.D., associate professor of psychology at Asbury University and co-author of "Listening to Sexual Minorities: A Study of Faith and Sexual Identity on Christian Colleges Campuses." The Board discussed the ability of faith-based universities, like Baylor, to provide a loving, caring community because of their Christian missions while providing LGBTQ students with the support essential to their holistic growth and formation as adults. As part of her work at Asbury, Dr. Dean is actively involved in research that explores the intersectionality between faith and psychology. Her ongoing projects include sexuality identity on faith-based campuses, sexuality and religiosity, thoughts of God and psychological well-being, forgiveness, and counselor self-care, in addition to various student projects that she facilitates."

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1. Would you pass a "morals" test? (PS :Gay behavior in Same Sex marriage is not sin)
But have a morals test for gays why not for yourself - greed, conceit, gossip, back biting
2. Would Jesus minister to the LGBT community?

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I thought I did. I am posting on a computer and not used to it. My apologies.

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It is not "certainly unclear" how the bible addresses people who are born homosexual. In fact, it is abundantly clear in Scripture that we are all born with a sin nature. The fact that we all have a propensity to sin does not mean our sin ceases to be sin.

How we battle against our sin nature via reliance on the Lord is what matters.

You have swallowed the false logic of the gay lobby hook, line, and sinker.

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Why would a deity create a person that lives the same gender, and then tell that person that intimacy is an abomination? That God says "thou shalt not be fully human"?

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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It is not "certainly unclear" how the bible addresses people who are born homosexual. In fact, it is abundantly clear in Scripture that we are all born with a sin nature. The fact that we all have a propensity to sin does not mean our sin ceases to be sin.

How we battle against our sin nature via reliance on the Lord is what matters.

You have swallowed the false logic of the gay lobby hook, line, and sinker.

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Why would a deity create a person that lives the same gender, and then tell that person that intimacy is an abomination? That God says "thou shalt not be fully human"?

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answered a thousand times over for you

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Not once. And certainly not by quoting the bible.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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tcbear said:

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It is not "certainly unclear" how the bible addresses people who are born homosexual. In fact, it is abundantly clear in Scripture that we are all born with a sin nature. The fact that we all have a propensity to sin does not mean our sin ceases to be sin.

How we battle against our sin nature via reliance on the Lord is what matters.

You have swallowed the false logic of the gay lobby hook, line, and sinker.

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Why would a deity create a person that lives the same gender, and then tell that person that intimacy is an abomination? That God says "thou shalt not be fully human"?

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answered a thousand times over for you

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Not once. And certainly not by quoting the bible.

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you claim there is no deity. For grins, let's say you are correct. Where then would you want this answer to come from?

Be honest, no answer will satisfy you so, therefore, no source will either.

ps...thanks for setting the rules for me. I'm not sure how I've made it this far without you.

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Do ya hear the "Quash crickets?"