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Made them man and woman. Simply descriptive of gender

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Wait. You mean it didn't describe the other 37 genders? Are you saying there's only TWO genders!!?? What gives?
Two genders but masculinity and femininity are separate concepts and the line between them is fluid.

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I am literally begging you to learn how to use the quote feature on this site.

Ok, so there are two genders, and the Bible says those two genders are to marry each other. What does it say about one gender marrying the same gender? I know it speaks about how detestable it is for one gender to "lie with" the same gender, so it seems to pretty clearly disapprove of same gender relations. But maybe it carves out an exception for loving relationships and marriages. Can you point me to that verse?

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It's says nothing. Arguments from silence go either way

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Except it isn't silent on the topic. It speaks strongly against homosexuality. My question was whether it carved out an exception for a homosexual "marriage" (which of course it does not).

This isn't a matter of biblical silence. It is a matter of clear prohibition without your desired exception. But go ahead and keep creating scripture of your liking and twisting His word to meet your inclinations. I'm sure He's fine with it.

Pray tell Where? Romans 1:26 is about idolatry, a form pederasty, pagan practice. Give me another.
And how can the Bible "speak strongly" about a word that did not come into existence until the 19th century?

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Waco1947 said:

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Made them man and woman. Simply descriptive of gender

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Wait. You mean it didn't describe the other 37 genders? Are you saying there's only TWO genders!!?? What gives?
Two genders but masculinity and femininity are separate concepts and the line between them is fluid.

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I am literally begging you to learn how to use the quote feature on this site.

Ok, so there are two genders, and the Bible says those two genders are to marry each other. What does it say about one gender marrying the same gender? I know it speaks about how detestable it is for one gender to "lie with" the same gender, so it seems to pretty clearly disapprove of same gender relations. But maybe it carves out an exception for loving relationships and marriages. Can you point me to that verse?

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It's says nothing. Arguments from silence go either way

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Except it isn't silent on the topic. It speaks strongly against homosexuality. My question was whether it carved out an exception for a homosexual "marriage" (which of course it does not).

This isn't a matter of biblical silence. It is a matter of clear prohibition without your desired exception. But go ahead and keep creating scripture of your liking and twisting His word to meet your inclinations. I'm sure He's fine with it.

Pray tell Where? Romans 1:26 is about idolatry, a form pederasty, pagan practice. Give me another.
And how can the Bible "speak strongly" about a word that did not come into existence until the 19th century?

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Learn to use the quote function.

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Made them man and woman. Simply descriptive of gender

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Wait. You mean it didn't describe the other 37 genders? Are you saying there's only TWO genders!!?? What gives?
Two genders but masculinity and femininity are separate concepts and the line between them is fluid.

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I am literally begging you to learn how to use the quote feature on this site.

Ok, so there are two genders, and the Bible says those two genders are to marry each other. What does it say about one gender marrying the same gender? I know it speaks about how detestable it is for one gender to "lie with" the same gender, so it seems to pretty clearly disapprove of same gender relations. But maybe it carves out an exception for loving relationships and marriages. Can you point me to that verse?

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It's says nothing. Arguments from silence go either way

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Except it isn't silent on the topic. It speaks strongly against homosexuality. My question was whether it carved out an exception for a homosexual "marriage" (which of course it does not).

This isn't a matter of biblical silence. It is a matter of clear prohibition without your desired exception. But go ahead and keep creating scripture of your liking and twisting His word to meet your inclinations. I'm sure He's fine with it.

Pray tell Where? Romans 1:26 is about idolatry, a form pederasty, pagan practice. Give me another.
And how can the Bible "speak strongly" about a word that did not come into existence until the 19th century?

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Here's Romans 1:26-27 for you...."26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

Don't be like those sinful Romans and learn to use the Quote function.

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And now the gay students are whining to the NCAA and Big12....

https://www.wacotrib.com/news/higher_education/students-ask-big-ncaa-to-examine-baylor-s-lgbt-policies/article_b6f57b85-467e-5dcf-9496-665c6add2a00.html?utm_source=WhatCountsEmail&utm_medium=NEWS%20-%20Newsletter%20Master%20List&utm_campaign=Daily%20Headlines

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I was sympathetic to their cause until this. This action angers me.

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We are talking about Baylor formally recognizing and facilitating a group that practices and celebrates what Christianity (universally until recently, and certainly still the southern baptist denomination) believes to be sin. That would be "changing the overall view of sin." And "consenting adults exploring among other adults" has absolutely nothing to do with it. That qualifier would apply to a "premarital sex" club, or an adultery club, or a Porn Club. Do you believe those things should not be considered sin? Or that Baylor should condone them? It goes back to my question "How far should Christianity (or Baylor) bend to culture's acceptance of sin?"

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I disagree with all this. I don't feel Baylor letting grown adults have a club is attempting to change what is a "sin" barring they are not breaking any laws. IMO, college is about letting kids get out from under being told what to do (for the most part), seems kinda junior highish/church campy to me. If you want to be in a gay/lesbian club, go for it doesn't mean we (BU) support the ideology but we support you being an adult free to choose what interests you at the moment.

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If Baylor's recognition doesn't constitute support, what difference does it make if laws are broken? Say for example a student group advocates legal marijuana and wants to hold a smoke-in on public land to protest the drug laws. Is there any reason Baylor shouldn't grant them a charter?

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And now the gay students are whining to the NCAA and Big12....

https://www.wacotrib.com/news/higher_education/students-ask-big-ncaa-to-examine-baylor-s-lgbt-policies/article_b6f57b85-467e-5dcf-9496-665c6add2a00.html?utm_source=WhatCountsEmail&utm_medium=NEWS%20-%20Newsletter%20Master%20List&utm_campaign=Daily%20Headlines

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I was sympathetic to their cause until this. This action angers me.

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Likewise. And, I was told by X there were no activist gays at Baylor.

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There is an agenda that must be met. I do not think this is a big secret. One thing about special interest groups of all stripes, they much feed the beast, and those beasts love red meat, and nothing generates red meat like outrage.

LBGTQ+ at the other "C" school in the Big 12:
https://healthcenter.tcu.edu/lgbtq/

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LBGTQ+ at the other "C" school in the Big 12:
https://healthcenter.tcu.edu/lgbtq/

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Great, now I know what Colposcopist is...

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LBGTQ+ at the other "C" school in the Big 12:
https://healthcenter.tcu.edu/lgbtq/

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Great, now I know what Colposcopist is...

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Yesterday was the 58th anniversary of the opening of Six Flags. I've always loved Spelunker's Cave.

Oh wait, is this the wrong thread?

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And now the gay students are whining to the NCAA and Big12....

https://www.wacotrib.com/news/higher_education/students-ask-big-ncaa-to-examine-baylor-s-lgbt-policies/article_b6f57b85-467e-5dcf-9496-665c6add2a00.html?utm_source=WhatCountsEmail&utm_medium=NEWS%20-%20Newsletter%20Master%20List&utm_campaign=Daily%20Headlines

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I was sympathetic to their cause until this. This action angers me.

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That's a bunch of crybaby snowflakes. If being gay was "normal" as all gays claim, why do they need special recognition for their club?

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And now the gay students are whining to the NCAA and Big12....

https://www.wacotrib.com/news/higher_education/students-ask-big-ncaa-to-examine-baylor-s-lgbt-policies/article_b6f57b85-467e-5dcf-9496-665c6add2a00.html?utm_source=WhatCountsEmail&utm_medium=NEWS%20-%20Newsletter%20Master%20List&utm_campaign=Daily%20Headlines

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I was sympathetic to their cause until this. This action angers me.

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Likewise. And, I was told by X there were no activist gays at Baylor.

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Not as many as each of your local high schools.
Baylor is going to add the group. It's been all about business from Day 1. Will you be protesting with Westboro Baptist?

This news is compressed to the bubble. The Big 12 is a marketing group. The league's values are different than some of Baylor's alumni. These lesbians buy tickets. The league doesn't get involved in church doctrine.

These "hardcore Baylor activists" are depending on Baylor's college athletic attendance to squeeze the school. They are not hardcore.

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Prairie Bear: " I respect people who practice faith so long as they are not preachy and pushy about it."

I guess my question is how you define "preachy and pushy"?

I agree that confrontation is hostile and starts fights rather than wins hearts. But I see two problems with the apparent tone in your statement:

First, Scripture clearly commands Christians to 'go and make disciples' which is a pretty clear directive to, well, be pushy just a bit when speaking to people about Christ. It's not a bad idea to listen and show reasonable courtesy to other faiths and to atheists, but it is not only important for Christians to support Christian doctrine, but vital to defend doctrine as stated in Scripture. That is, there is no important division about how communion or baptism is performed, but it is vital to confirm that both baptism and communion are necessary, for example.

Second, a lot of non-christians are "preachy and pushy", and no one calls them out for their hostility and disrespect of Christianity. You don't get to demand Christians live and speak by a standard you won't apply to other groups.

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Talk about preachy/pushy these LBGTQ folks certainly have that down.

Of the Presidential candidates Pete B. leads the preachy/push front.

This does go two ways.

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After analyzing the new Democratic Party, their dream ticket would be Kamala Harris for President and the shorter white gay man subservient to her as Vice President. This ticket will not win but is the Dems' dream ticket.

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And now the gay students are whining to the NCAA and Big12....

https://www.wacotrib.com/news/higher_education/students-ask-big-ncaa-to-examine-baylor-s-lgbt-policies/article_b6f57b85-467e-5dcf-9496-665c6add2a00.html?utm_source=WhatCountsEmail&utm_medium=NEWS%20-%20Newsletter%20Master%20List&utm_campaign=Daily%20Headlines

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I was sympathetic to their cause until this. This action angers me.

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That's a bunch of crybaby snowflakes. If being gay was "normal" as all gays claim, why do they need special recognition for their club?

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Like Baylor GOP or Young Democrats? Because just belonging to an unrecognized group can get you booted off campus. Greeks thought about going off campus in the early Eighties, this is why they stayed.

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And now the gay students are whining to the NCAA and Big12....

https://www.wacotrib.com/news/higher_education/students-ask-big-ncaa-to-examine-baylor-s-lgbt-policies/article_b6f57b85-467e-5dcf-9496-665c6add2a00.html?utm_source=WhatCountsEmail&utm_medium=NEWS%20-%20Newsletter%20Master%20List&utm_campaign=Daily%20Headlines

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I was sympathetic to their cause until this. This action angers me.

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Likewise. And, I was told by X there were no activist gays at Baylor.

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Not as many as each of your local high schools.
Baylor is going to add the group. It's been all about business from Day 1. Will you be protesting with Westboro Baptist?

This news is compressed to the bubble. The Big 12 is a marketing group. The league's values are different than some of Baylor's alumni. These lesbians buy tickets. The league doesn't get involved in church doctrine.

These "hardcore Baylor activists" are depending on Baylor's college athletic attendance to squeeze the school. They are not hardcore.

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I love it when you post so that everyone else can see the crazy. Thanks X!

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The school is going to allow them. The crazy is the fact you actually believe Baylor has hardcore activists. I guess among the hardcore Baptist these guys are hardcore but among the general population these are just everyday folks.

There's more gays and lesbian activists in those three high schools than at Baylor.

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No. To get research $$$ by the 100s of millions and to be poised should an athletic realignment occur, they will be allowed and the Sloan era fundies are quietly being swept out.

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Bingo. The building steeples ERA is coming to an end.

It's pro Texana business.

Romans 1; 23 They don't worship the glorious and eternal God. Instead, they worship idols that are made to look like humans who cannot live forever, and like birds, animals, and reptiles. "Idolatry"

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Romans 1; 23 They don't worship the glorious and eternal God. Instead, they worship idols that are made to look like humans who cannot live forever, and like birds, animals, and reptiles. "Idolatry"

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And flags. Don't forget flags. And a stadium.

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Romans 1; 23 They don't worship the glorious and eternal God. Instead, they worship idols that are made to look like humans who cannot live forever, and like birds, animals, and reptiles. "Idolatry"

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And flags. Don't forget flags. And a stadium.

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Romans 1; 23 They don't worship the glorious and eternal God. Instead, they worship idols that are made to look like humans who cannot live forever, and like birds, animals, and reptiles. "Idolatry"

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Keep reading big boy.

Romans 1:26-27 just for you...."26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

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Romans 1; 23 They don't worship the glorious and eternal God. Instead, they worship idols that are made to look like humans who cannot live forever, and like birds, animals, and reptiles. "Idolatry"

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Keep reading big boy.

Romans 1:26-27 just for you...."26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

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Why is it a certain kind of Christian has to reduce gays to nothing more than lustful being incapable of feeling deep and abiding love? Is it because your disapproval of them becomes more difficult to justify if they are defined as Christian people of sacred worth?

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Romans 1; 23 They don't worship the glorious and eternal God. Instead, they worship idols that are made to look like humans who cannot live forever, and like birds, animals, and reptiles. "Idolatry"

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Keep reading big boy.

Romans 1:26-27 just for you...."26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

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Why is it a certain kind of Christian has to reduce gays to nothing more than lustful being incapable of feeling deep and abiding love? Is it because your disapproval of them becomes more difficult to justify if they are defined as Christian people of sacred worth?

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Don't ask me; ask God and the Apostle Paul. Those are not my words. I'm just repeating scripture. I can't help it if you don't like it.

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I'm asking you a question that has nothing to do with the Scripture you're misusing.

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Romans 1; 23 They don't worship the glorious and eternal God. Instead, they worship idols that are made to look like humans who cannot live forever, and like birds, animals, and reptiles. "Idolatry"

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Keep reading big boy.

Romans 1:26-27 just for you...."26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

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Why is it a certain kind of Christian has to reduce gays to nothing more than lustful being incapable of feeling deep and abiding love? Is it because your disapproval of them becomes more difficult to justify if they are defined as Christian people of sacred worth?

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Don't ask me; ask God and the Apostle Paul. Those are not my words. I'm just repeating scripture. I can't help it if you don't like it.

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I'm asking you a question that has nothing to do with the Scripture you're misusing.

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There you go: for cinque, 'quoting in context' = 'misusing'

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Romans 1; 23 They don't worship the glorious and eternal God. Instead, they worship idols that are made to look like humans who cannot live forever, and like birds, animals, and reptiles. "Idolatry"

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Keep reading big boy.

Romans 1:26-27 just for you...."26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

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Why is it a certain kind of Christian has to reduce gays to nothing more than lustful being incapable of feeling deep and abiding love? Is it because your disapproval of them becomes more difficult to justify if they are defined as Christian people of sacred worth?

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Don't ask me; ask God and the Apostle Paul. Those are not my words. I'm just repeating scripture. I can't help it if you don't like it.

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I'm asking you a question that has nothing to do with the Scripture you're misusing.

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I quoted the scripture in context since 47 quoted a verse from the same section. I'll quote the whole section of Romans 1:24-32 again. Where did I misuse it?

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creatorwho is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

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Romans 1; 23 They don't worship the glorious and eternal God. Instead, they worship idols that are made to look like humans who cannot live forever, and like birds, animals, and reptiles. "Idolatry"

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Keep reading big boy.

Romans 1:26-27 just for you...."26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

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them verse 23 and 26 together.
they worship idols. - vs 23
"Because of this" in verse 26 the "this" is idolatry

And Paul knew nothing of human sexuality identity or orientation

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Romans 1; 23 They don't worship the glorious and eternal God. Instead, they worship idols that are made to look like humans who cannot live forever, and like birds, animals, and reptiles. "Idolatry"

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Keep reading big boy.

Romans 1:26-27 just for you...."26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

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them verse 23 and 26 together.
they worship idols. - vs 23
"Because of this" in verse 26 the "this" is idolatry

And Paul knew nothing of human sexuality identity or orientation

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"Surely, you will not die"

Who said it first, Satan or 47?