I’m not defending Rittenhouse. And I understand news gathering is fallible. But there’s a media pattern of distortion and falsehood here. And it reaches far wider than Rittenhouse.https://t.co/U5YJUtFQOD
— Andrew Sullivan (@sullydish) November 12, 2021
Kyle Rittenhouse trial
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But he isn't guilty of the charges filed against himWangchung said:Yeah, a 17 year old steps in after 3 days of the police and local government allowing the destruction of the city where he works and his dad lives. TrueOsodecentx said:Low threshold for hero nowadaysMalbec said:Hopefully withstand the vicious misuse of the Wisconsin justice system.Osodecentx said:What did he do to become a hero?Rawhide said:
The kid is a damn hero. They should tear down the George Floyd statue and build a Kyle Rittenhouse in its place.
but he did was was right anyway Stupid at best
and almost died because of it. True
That's bravery. No, felony stupidity
That's honor. No, just poor judgement
The trash who riot every time a black criminal gets themselves shot by police aren't heroes. Agreed
The politicians and media who provoked the attacks aren't heroes. Agreed
The Monday morning hindsight 20/20 quarterbacks aren't heroes. Agreed
Yes, Kyle is a hero. No
Nothing we have said would denote guilt in his trial. Imagine the stupidity of charging the nazi machine gun nests on Omaha beach, the stupidity of taking on the British in the 1700s, the stupidity of strapping humans to pillars of fuel and shooting them into space, the stupidity of people who sign up to be police in this current political climate. All extremely dangerous, all cost lives of those who did those actions. Kyle risked his life to stop the destruction of Kenosha while "smart" people stayed home and let itOsodecentx said:But he isn't guilty of the charges filed against himWangchung said:Yeah, a 17 year old steps in after 3 days of the police and local government allowing the destruction of the city where he works and his dad lives. TrueOsodecentx said:Low threshold for hero nowadaysMalbec said:Hopefully withstand the vicious misuse of the Wisconsin justice system.Osodecentx said:What did he do to become a hero?Rawhide said:
The kid is a damn hero. They should tear down the George Floyd statue and build a Kyle Rittenhouse in its place.
but he did was was right anyway Stupid at best
and almost died because of it. True
That's bravery. No, felony stupidity
That's honor. No, just poor judgement
The trash who riot every time a black criminal gets themselves shot by police aren't heroes. Agreed
The politicians and media who provoked the attacks aren't heroes. Agreed
The Monday morning hindsight 20/20 quarterbacks aren't heroes. Agreed
Yes, Kyle is a hero. No
burn. Evil isn't stopped by "smart" people who hide in their homes. Evil is stopped by the brave. By heroes. Two dead violent rioters(one a pedophile) and one maimed violent rioter, as well as countless cars and buildings…LIVELIHOODS, were saved. It's doesn't get much more heroic than that.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
I know the internet is a place for hyperbole, but comparing Rittenhouse to those who died at Normandy, patriots from the American Revolution, astronauts, or policemen is WAY over the top.Wangchung said:Nothing we have said would denote guilt in his trial. Imagine the stupidity of charging the nazi machine gun nests on Omaha beach, the stupidity of taking on the British in the 1700s, the stupidity of strapping humans to pillars of fuel and shooting them into space, the stupidity of people who sign up to be police in this current political climate. All extremely dangerous, all cost lives of those who did those actions. Kyle risked his life to stop the destruction of Kenosha while "smart" people stayed home and let itOsodecentx said:But he isn't guilty of the charges filed against himWangchung said:Yeah, a 17 year old steps in after 3 days of the police and local government allowing the destruction of the city where he works and his dad lives. TrueOsodecentx said:Low threshold for hero nowadaysMalbec said:Hopefully withstand the vicious misuse of the Wisconsin justice system.Osodecentx said:What did he do to become a hero?Rawhide said:
The kid is a damn hero. They should tear down the George Floyd statue and build a Kyle Rittenhouse in its place.
but he did was was right anyway Stupid at best
and almost died because of it. True
That's bravery. No, felony stupidity
That's honor. No, just poor judgement
The trash who riot every time a black criminal gets themselves shot by police aren't heroes. Agreed
The politicians and media who provoked the attacks aren't heroes. Agreed
The Monday morning hindsight 20/20 quarterbacks aren't heroes. Agreed
Yes, Kyle is a hero. No
burn. Evil isn't stopped by "smart" people who hide in their homes. Evil is stopped by the brave. By heroes. Two dead violent rioters(one a pedophile) and one maimed violent rioter, as well as countless cars and buildings…LIVELIHOODS, were saved. It's doesn't get much more heroic than that.
No way
Why is it over the top? At least Kyle was fighting terrorism, and eventually the terrorists, on US soil, not off in France. Kyle shot and killed more criminals than most police do in a lifetime of work and he did it while helping to slow riots down. If one is able to take out the politics of the situation, (you know, the narrative that it's racist to stop riots over black criminals who get shot by police), it's easy to see that a person who stepped up in the place of the absent police and government forces to stop the destruction of Kenosha is a hero. Cowards hide at home. Cowards cite the law in their head as they hide at home watching cities burn, telling themselves how smart they are for not getting involved. I'm sure plenty of Germans found it "smart" not to disagree with the National Socialist Party. Look where that led. No, you're completely wrong here, and 17 year olds throughout history of have demonstrated as much. Kyle is just the modern example of hero.Osodecentx said:I know the internet is a place for hyperbole, but comparing Rittenhouse to those who died at Normandy, patriots from the American Revolution, astronauts, or policemen is WAY over the top.Wangchung said:Nothing we have said would denote guilt in his trial. Imagine the stupidity of charging the nazi machine gun nests on Omaha beach, the stupidity of taking on the British in the 1700s, the stupidity of strapping humans to pillars of fuel and shooting them into space, the stupidity of people who sign up to be police in this current political climate. All extremely dangerous, all cost lives of those who did those actions. Kyle risked his life to stop the destruction of Kenosha while "smart" people stayed home and let itOsodecentx said:But he isn't guilty of the charges filed against himWangchung said:Yeah, a 17 year old steps in after 3 days of the police and local government allowing the destruction of the city where he works and his dad lives. TrueOsodecentx said:Low threshold for hero nowadaysMalbec said:Hopefully withstand the vicious misuse of the Wisconsin justice system.Osodecentx said:What did he do to become a hero?Rawhide said:
The kid is a damn hero. They should tear down the George Floyd statue and build a Kyle Rittenhouse in its place.
but he did was was right anyway Stupid at best
and almost died because of it. True
That's bravery. No, felony stupidity
That's honor. No, just poor judgement
The trash who riot every time a black criminal gets themselves shot by police aren't heroes. Agreed
The politicians and media who provoked the attacks aren't heroes. Agreed
The Monday morning hindsight 20/20 quarterbacks aren't heroes. Agreed
Yes, Kyle is a hero. No
burn. Evil isn't stopped by "smart" people who hide in their homes. Evil is stopped by the brave. By heroes. Two dead violent rioters(one a pedophile) and one maimed violent rioter, as well as countless cars and buildings…LIVELIHOODS, were saved. It's doesn't get much more heroic than that.
No way
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
If none of that grabs you, then maybe you can at the very least appreciate all the kids that will not be raped now thanks to Kyle's actions. Surely their rescue from such a fate is heroic.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
WAY, WAY over the topWangchung said:Why is it over the top? At least Kyle was fighting terrorism, and eventually the terrorists, on US soil, not off in France. Kyle shot and killed more criminals than most police do in a lifetime of work and he did it while helping to slow riots down. If one is able to take out the politics of the situation, (you know, the narrative that it's racist to stop riots over black criminals who get shot by police), it's easy to see that a person who stepped up in the place of the absent police and government forces to stop the destruction of Kenosha is a hero. Cowards hide at home. Cowards cite the law in their head as they hide at home watching cities burn, telling themselves how smart they are for not getting involved. I'm sure plenty of Germans found it "smart" not to disagree with the National Socialist Party. Look where that led. No, you're completely wrong here, and 17 year olds throughout history of have demonstrated as much. Kyle is just the modern example of hero.Osodecentx said:I know the internet is a place for hyperbole, but comparing Rittenhouse to those who died at Normandy, patriots from the American Revolution, astronauts, or policemen is WAY over the top.Wangchung said:Nothing we have said would denote guilt in his trial. Imagine the stupidity of charging the nazi machine gun nests on Omaha beach, the stupidity of taking on the British in the 1700s, the stupidity of strapping humans to pillars of fuel and shooting them into space, the stupidity of people who sign up to be police in this current political climate. All extremely dangerous, all cost lives of those who did those actions. Kyle risked his life to stop the destruction of Kenosha while "smart" people stayed home and let itOsodecentx said:But he isn't guilty of the charges filed against himWangchung said:Yeah, a 17 year old steps in after 3 days of the police and local government allowing the destruction of the city where he works and his dad lives. TrueOsodecentx said:Low threshold for hero nowadaysMalbec said:Hopefully withstand the vicious misuse of the Wisconsin justice system.Osodecentx said:What did he do to become a hero?Rawhide said:
The kid is a damn hero. They should tear down the George Floyd statue and build a Kyle Rittenhouse in its place.
but he did was was right anyway Stupid at best
and almost died because of it. True
That's bravery. No, felony stupidity
That's honor. No, just poor judgement
The trash who riot every time a black criminal gets themselves shot by police aren't heroes. Agreed
The politicians and media who provoked the attacks aren't heroes. Agreed
The Monday morning hindsight 20/20 quarterbacks aren't heroes. Agreed
Yes, Kyle is a hero. No
burn. Evil isn't stopped by "smart" people who hide in their homes. Evil is stopped by the brave. By heroes. Two dead violent rioters(one a pedophile) and one maimed violent rioter, as well as countless cars and buildings…LIVELIHOODS, were saved. It's doesn't get much more heroic than that.
No way
Nope. Lives and businesses were saved and children were saved from a child rapist. I'm not sure how you think that's not a good thing.Osodecentx said:WAY, WAY over the topWangchung said:Why is it over the top? At least Kyle was fighting terrorism, and eventually the terrorists, on US soil, not off in France. Kyle shot and killed more criminals than most police do in a lifetime of work and he did it while helping to slow riots down. If one is able to take out the politics of the situation, (you know, the narrative that it's racist to stop riots over black criminals who get shot by police), it's easy to see that a person who stepped up in the place of the absent police and government forces to stop the destruction of Kenosha is a hero. Cowards hide at home. Cowards cite the law in their head as they hide at home watching cities burn, telling themselves how smart they are for not getting involved. I'm sure plenty of Germans found it "smart" not to disagree with the National Socialist Party. Look where that led. No, you're completely wrong here, and 17 year olds throughout history of have demonstrated as much. Kyle is just the modern example of hero.Osodecentx said:I know the internet is a place for hyperbole, but comparing Rittenhouse to those who died at Normandy, patriots from the American Revolution, astronauts, or policemen is WAY over the top.Wangchung said:Nothing we have said would denote guilt in his trial. Imagine the stupidity of charging the nazi machine gun nests on Omaha beach, the stupidity of taking on the British in the 1700s, the stupidity of strapping humans to pillars of fuel and shooting them into space, the stupidity of people who sign up to be police in this current political climate. All extremely dangerous, all cost lives of those who did those actions. Kyle risked his life to stop the destruction of Kenosha while "smart" people stayed home and let itOsodecentx said:But he isn't guilty of the charges filed against himWangchung said:Yeah, a 17 year old steps in after 3 days of the police and local government allowing the destruction of the city where he works and his dad lives. TrueOsodecentx said:Low threshold for hero nowadaysMalbec said:Hopefully withstand the vicious misuse of the Wisconsin justice system.Osodecentx said:What did he do to become a hero?Rawhide said:
The kid is a damn hero. They should tear down the George Floyd statue and build a Kyle Rittenhouse in its place.
but he did was was right anyway Stupid at best
and almost died because of it. True
That's bravery. No, felony stupidity
That's honor. No, just poor judgement
The trash who riot every time a black criminal gets themselves shot by police aren't heroes. Agreed
The politicians and media who provoked the attacks aren't heroes. Agreed
The Monday morning hindsight 20/20 quarterbacks aren't heroes. Agreed
Yes, Kyle is a hero. No
burn. Evil isn't stopped by "smart" people who hide in their homes. Evil is stopped by the brave. By heroes. Two dead violent rioters(one a pedophile) and one maimed violent rioter, as well as countless cars and buildings…LIVELIHOODS, were saved. It's doesn't get much more heroic than that.
No way
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
Kyle is raising the bar.Osodecentx said:Low threshold for hero nowadaysMalbec said:Hopefully withstand the vicious misuse of the Wisconsin justice system.Osodecentx said:What did he do to become a hero?Rawhide said:
The kid is a damn hero. They should tear down the George Floyd statue and build a Kyle Rittenhouse in its place.
Of course, the people on this thread who think Kyle is not a hero didn't have their business destroyed by a mob of larping neo-commie revolutionaries while political leaders kept professional law enforcement from any meaningful response.
https://news.yahoo.com/500-wisconsin-national-guard-standby-031915653.html
The media is sure stoking the fire of violence in case there is a not guilty verdict! Who exactly is going to protest and why?
The media is sure stoking the fire of violence in case there is a not guilty verdict! Who exactly is going to protest and why?
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
https://news.yahoo.com/500-wisconsin-national-guard-standby-031915653.html
The media is sure stoking the fire of violence in case there is a not guilty verdict! Who exactly is going to protest and why?
All for white on white violence?
I think there will be more celebrating than protesting. It is really gonna piss off the mainstream media. Hopefully all the knuckleheads leave their firearms at home.Jack Bauer said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
https://news.yahoo.com/500-wisconsin-national-guard-standby-031915653.html
The media is sure stoking the fire of violence in case there is a not guilty verdict! Who exactly is going to protest and why?
All for white on white violence?
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
Do you think Rittenhouse is more of a hero than those who died at Normandy, patriots from the American Revolution, astronauts, or policemen?Amal Shuq-Up said:
Of course, the people on this thread who think Kyle is not a hero didn't have their business destroyed by a mob of larping neo-commie revolutionaries while political leaders kept professional law enforcement from any meaningful response.
Never said he was MORE of a hero, but equal to those folks. He saw the city burn for 3 days and stepped up despite the danger. He brought his Med kit and was offering basic first aid to ANYONE who was hurt. He was attacked for it and ended up ridding the world of two violent rioters. Hero.Osodecentx said:Do you think Rittenhouse is more of a hero than those who died at Normandy, patriots from the American Revolution, astronauts, or policemen?Amal Shuq-Up said:
Of course, the people on this thread who think Kyle is not a hero didn't have their business destroyed by a mob of larping neo-commie revolutionaries while political leaders kept professional law enforcement from any meaningful response.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
Osodecentx said:Do you think Rittenhouse is more of a hero than those who died at Normandy, patriots from the American Revolution, astronauts, or policemen?Amal Shuq-Up said:
Of course, the people on this thread who think Kyle is not a hero didn't have their business destroyed by a mob of larping neo-commie revolutionaries while political leaders kept professional law enforcement from any meaningful response.
The difference between Rittenhouse and the others you mentioned is that he did what he did alone and without government support. That is what really ticked off the politicians and elected officials: Kyle showed them that it only took a kid with courage to stop the rioting. He had more guts than any WI politician at any level even though they had the benefit of professional law enforcement as an (unused but willing) resource.
In Texas, one riot one Ranger. In Wisconsin, one riot one Rittenhouse.
Don't know if this has been commented on yet, and some would probably feel it was way out of bounds, but Tucker Carlson's comment - "Joseph Rosenbaum died as he had lived - trying to touch an unwilling minor" - is a helluva posthumous third degree burn. Ouch.
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
Don't know if this has been commented on yet, and some would probably feel it was way out of bounds, but Tucker Carlson's comment - "Joseph Rosenbaum died as he had lived - trying to touch an unwilling minor" - is a helluva posthumous third degree burn. Ouch.
It was glorious!
Normandy and the Founding Fathers?
Sure, the same way Washington and Jefferson fought at Normandy in WW2.Osodecentx said:
Normandy and the Founding Fathers?
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Not sure what this meansOldbear83 said:Sure, the same way Washington and Jefferson fought at Normandy in WW2.Osodecentx said:
Normandy and the Founding Fathers?
It means the word 'hero' is overused but also has different meanings to different people.Osodecentx said:Not sure what this meansOldbear83 said:Sure, the same way Washington and Jefferson fought at Normandy in WW2.Osodecentx said:
Normandy and the Founding Fathers?
The evidence in the trial makes apparent that Rittenhouse was defending himself against deadly threat in his actions. While I think he failed to consider what could happen by being at the riot, his reason for being there - to protect his friend's property and help anyone injured - is far more legit than the right of the rioters to be there.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
I agree, but saying Rittenhouse is just like the soldiers landing at Normandy and the American Revolution?Oldbear83 said:It means the word 'hero' is overused but also has different meanings to different people.Osodecentx said:Not sure what this meansOldbear83 said:Sure, the same way Washington and Jefferson fought at Normandy in WW2.Osodecentx said:
Normandy and the Founding Fathers?
The evidence in the trial makes apparent that Rittenhouse was defending himself against deadly threat in his actions. While I think he failed to consider what could happen by being at the riot, his reason for being there - to protect his friend's property and help anyone injured - is far more legit than the right of the rioters to be there.
See my first sentence. I believe he is referring to the fact that law enforcement has given up protecting law-abiding people in urban settings, forcing people to either cower in fear or take up arms in their own defense.Osodecentx said:I agree, but saying Rittenhouse is just like the soldiers landing at Normandy and the American Revolution?Oldbear83 said:It means the word 'hero' is overused but also has different meanings to different people.Osodecentx said:Not sure what this meansOldbear83 said:Sure, the same way Washington and Jefferson fought at Normandy in WW2.Osodecentx said:
Normandy and the Founding Fathers?
The evidence in the trial makes apparent that Rittenhouse was defending himself against deadly threat in his actions. While I think he failed to consider what could happen by being at the riot, his reason for being there - to protect his friend's property and help anyone injured - is far more legit than the right of the rioters to be there.
Rittenhouse made a decision based on helping his friend and with no intent on breaking the law, which is a good thing. Don't know that I would call it 'heroic', but certainly the whole prosecution against Rittenhouse is garbage and nothing but a dirty political stunt.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Sorry, I certainly didn't mean that you were comparing Rittenhouse to Normandy or the Founding Fathers.Oldbear83 said:See my first sentence. I believe he is referring to the fact that law enforcement has given up protecting law-abiding people in urban settings, forcing people to either cower in fear or take up arms in their own defense.Osodecentx said:I agree, but saying Rittenhouse is just like the soldiers landing at Normandy and the American Revolution?Oldbear83 said:It means the word 'hero' is overused but also has different meanings to different people.Osodecentx said:Not sure what this meansOldbear83 said:Sure, the same way Washington and Jefferson fought at Normandy in WW2.Osodecentx said:
Normandy and the Founding Fathers?
The evidence in the trial makes apparent that Rittenhouse was defending himself against deadly threat in his actions. While I think he failed to consider what could happen by being at the riot, his reason for being there - to protect his friend's property and help anyone injured - is far more legit than the right of the rioters to be there.
Rittenhouse made a decision based on helping his friend and with no intent on breaking the law, which is a good thing. Don't know that I would call it 'heroic', but certainly the whole prosecution against Rittenhouse is garbage and nothing but a dirty political stunt.
Risked life to protect Americans despite the mortal danger and despite the lack of support from our government. That's a hero. If he was killed he would be just as dead as anyone killed on Omaha beach. For him, the risk was the same. He was fighting violent, deadly anti-American forces, only without the military backing him and on US soil.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
Wangchung said:
Risked life to protect Americans despite the mortal danger and despite the lack of support from our government. That's a hero. If he was killed he would be just as dead as anyone killed on Omaha beach. For him, the risk was the same. He was fighting violent, deadly anti-American forces, only without the military backing him and on US soil.
Isn't there a sliding scale or ranking system? Don't we grade heroism on a curve?
Apparently. Another difference; our military wasn't tried as murderers for killing nazis that attacked them.Amal Shuq-Up said:Wangchung said:
Risked life to protect Americans despite the mortal danger and despite the lack of support from our government. That's a hero. If he was killed he would be just as dead as anyone killed on Omaha beach. For him, the risk was the same. He was fighting violent, deadly anti-American forces, only without the military backing him and on US soil.
Isn't there a sliding scale or ranking system? Don't we grade heroism on a curve?
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
No one in the room felt the need to say or do anything about an ‘accused double murderer’ leaning over the judge from behind, completely unshackled
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No worries, lots of noise in this topic and it can be hard to follow what someone is saying.Osodecentx said:Sorry, I certainly didn't mean that you were comparing Rittenhouse to Normandy or the Founding Fathers.Oldbear83 said:See my first sentence. I believe he is referring to the fact that law enforcement has given up protecting law-abiding people in urban settings, forcing people to either cower in fear or take up arms in their own defense.Osodecentx said:I agree, but saying Rittenhouse is just like the soldiers landing at Normandy and the American Revolution?Oldbear83 said:It means the word 'hero' is overused but also has different meanings to different people.Osodecentx said:Not sure what this meansOldbear83 said:Sure, the same way Washington and Jefferson fought at Normandy in WW2.Osodecentx said:
Normandy and the Founding Fathers?
The evidence in the trial makes apparent that Rittenhouse was defending himself against deadly threat in his actions. While I think he failed to consider what could happen by being at the riot, his reason for being there - to protect his friend's property and help anyone injured - is far more legit than the right of the rioters to be there.
Rittenhouse made a decision based on helping his friend and with no intent on breaking the law, which is a good thing. Don't know that I would call it 'heroic', but certainly the whole prosecution against Rittenhouse is garbage and nothing but a dirty political stunt.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
You are gracious. If someone posted that I said such a ridiculously stupid thing, I would have reacted strongly.Oldbear83 said:No worries, lots of noise in this topic and it can be hard to follow what someone is saying.Osodecentx said:Sorry, I certainly didn't mean that you were comparing Rittenhouse to Normandy or the Founding Fathers.Oldbear83 said:See my first sentence. I believe he is referring to the fact that law enforcement has given up protecting law-abiding people in urban settings, forcing people to either cower in fear or take up arms in their own defense.Osodecentx said:I agree, but saying Rittenhouse is just like the soldiers landing at Normandy and the American Revolution?Oldbear83 said:It means the word 'hero' is overused but also has different meanings to different people.Osodecentx said:Not sure what this meansOldbear83 said:Sure, the same way Washington and Jefferson fought at Normandy in WW2.Osodecentx said:
Normandy and the Founding Fathers?
The evidence in the trial makes apparent that Rittenhouse was defending himself against deadly threat in his actions. While I think he failed to consider what could happen by being at the riot, his reason for being there - to protect his friend's property and help anyone injured - is far more legit than the right of the rioters to be there.
Rittenhouse made a decision based on helping his friend and with no intent on breaking the law, which is a good thing. Don't know that I would call it 'heroic', but certainly the whole prosecution against Rittenhouse is garbage and nothing but a dirty political stunt.
Don't sell yourself short. Claiming a person who put themselves in harms way for others isn't a hero is right up there with some of the dumbest **** ever uttered here.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
Therefore Rittenhouse = G WashingtonRedbrickbear said: