Sounds like a slow sports news week, with no real football for six weeks, baseball in midseason a long way from playoffs, NBA finals WGAF, even Olympics with no fans starting with sports that nobody watches. I guess it's prime time to throw stuff against the wall and see if it stick. You know...journalism. Realignment talk always seems to fit in that pattern somewhere.

I can kinda see why OU would think about leaving. They win conference titles year after year yet Texas continues to get more hype. Not quite aggy, but kinda aggy. They both seem about as well situated as they could be. Win the conference and be in playoff.

Mack has already known about this. Remember the statement he made this week about no matter what happens in realignment we will not waver in our mission statement.

This has nothing to do with playoffs..chancellors and presidents care about money. Making the playoffs doesnt move the financial needle that much for UT or OU.

Interesting. May precipitate a move away from the ncaa.

Are you Mulkey?

Continuing to have the NCAA's ruling on our scandal hanging over our head is not a great resume builder right about now

Seriously what can they do now even if they hypothetically discovered a player was paid 10k? Nothing with how things have abruptly changed and these things are legal now.

If I've learned anything in college athletics, dealing with Texas is like invading Afghanistan. You think you're doing it for all the right reasons until it's twenty years later and you're trying to justify flying to Morgantown and no one remembers why.

— Fake Dan Beebe (@DanBeebe) July 21, 2021

Two things are absolutely true now that this poorly veiled attempt at negotiation has been revealed.

1-Baylor leaders , along with the rest of the conference are breathing easy. And that's because they don't look like villains to their constituents right now.

2-Texas [UT] has officially run out of programs it can bribe for guaranteed wins. If they try to bully the SEC the way they did the BIg12, they will be shown the door. That they have been willing to concede on this should be the death knell of unequal payouts.

This is less a Big 12 revolt than it is the official retirement party of Bob Bowlsby..and that's a good thing..

Go Bears!!!!! Beat those mighty Texas State Bobcats. LOL!!!

Im more worried about Texas Southern

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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This is less a Big 12 revolt than it is the official retirement party of Bob Bowlsby..and that's a good thing..

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I'll drink to that.

muddybrazos said:

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Aggy, Mizzou and Ark would no vote. I bet there will be another school that likes to recruit Texas that could vote no.

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Who dat? Geaux figure ...

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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This is less a Big 12 revolt than it is the official retirement party of Bob Bowlsby..and that's a good thing..

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I'll drink to that.

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Dia del DougO said:

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Sounds like a slow sports news week, with no real football for six weeks, baseball in midseason a long way from playoffs, NBA finals WGAF, even Olympics with no fans starting with sports that nobody watches. I guess it's prime time to throw stuff against the wall and see if it stick. You know...journalism. Realignment talk always seems to fit in that pattern somewhere.

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An aggy beat writer wrote this and UT/SEC/OU have already came out with non-denials.

I don't think they let it. I think the preference would have absolutely been it stay quiet. I say that from experience. It was an A&M leak.

— Billy Liucci (@billyliucci) July 22, 2021

boognish_bear said:

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Where does Iowa St end up? B1G?

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Likely not in a P4. The B1G has no need for it and it's geography is unattractive to the other power conferences.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Where does Iowa St end up? B1G?

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Likely not in a P4. The B1G has no need for it and it's geography is unattractive to the other power conferences.

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I would think that would end Matt Campbell's loyalty to the program

Who in the G5 would jump a P5 in a realignment? That list is not big. I see only BYU and Cincinnati as potential.

Neither the ACC nor SEC need Florida for example? Likewise no major conference that would need Colorado doesn't already have the state of Colorado. There isn't any attraction to having the little state of Tennessee, unless perhaps you are the SEC and you therefore have had that one locked up for 100 years.

On the other hand I can see all 3 of the other remaining P5s having an interest in getting into Texas and the geography fits (at least loosely) as well for all of them.

I think only perhaps only as many as 2 or 3 P5s would realistically be displaced in the creation of this mythical 4 16 team P5 conference.

boognish_bear said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Where does Iowa St end up? B1G?

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Likely not in a P4. The B1G has no need for it and it's geography is unattractive to the other power conferences.

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I would think that would end Matt Campbell's loyalty to the program

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They likely wouldn't be able to continue to pay him his current salary without Big 12 money, so that is assured. That being said, he has earned a top tier job, so he was probably gone the next time a job like USC or Michigan opened up.

PartyBear said:

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Who in the G5 would jump a P5 in a realignment? That list is not big. I see only BYU and Cincinnati as potential.

Neither the ACC nor SEC need Florida for example? Likewise no major conference that would need Colorado doesn't already have the state of Colorado. There isn't any attraction to having the little state of Tennessee, unless perhaps you are the SEC and you therefore have had that one locked up for 100 years.

On the other hand I can see all 3 of the other remaining P5s having an interest in getting into Texas and the geography fits (at least loosely) as well for all of them.

I think only perhaps only as many as 2 P5s would realistically be displaced in the creation of this mythical 4 16 team P5 conference.

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There is interest in Texas, but only if the value is there as no conference wants to expand and take a pay cut for existing teams. Texas and Texas A&M will be fine, but, after that, it will be questionable - the SEC and B1G are the only P5s that can raid other P5s, so all eyes will be on the B1G to see if it targets the ACC or Missouri (which previously preferred the B1G to SEC) before seeing if there will be homes for other Texas schools. At a high level, Tech seems most likely to lend somewhere, possibly the PAC.

On the Oklahoma State situation: I've talked to several politically-connected folks in the state today. There is almost nothing the legislature could do to keep OU and OSU together. A big reason they were attached at the hip last time? David Boren.https://t.co/yaKyxgLCs5

— Jason Kersey (@jasonkersey) July 22, 2021

Aberzombie1892 said:

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PartyBear said:

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Who in the G5 would jump a P5 in a realignment? That list is not big. I see only BYU and Cincinnati as potential.

Neither the ACC nor SEC need Florida for example? Likewise no major conference that would need Colorado doesn't already have the state of Colorado. There isn't any attraction to having the little state of Tennessee, unless perhaps you are the SEC and you therefore have had that one locked up for 100 years.



On the other hand I can see all 3 of the other remaining P5s having an interest in getting into Texas and the geography fits (at least loosely) as well for all of them.

I think only perhaps only as many as 2 P5s would realistically be displaced in the creation of this mythical 4 16 team P5 conference.

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There is interest in Texas, but only if the value is there as no conference wants to expand and take a pay cut for existing teams. Texas and Texas A&M will be fine, but, after that, it will be questionable - the SEC and B1G are the only P5s that can raid other P5s, so all eyes will be on the B1G to see if it targets the ACC or Missouri (which previously preferred the B1G to SEC) before seeing if there will be homes for other Texas schools. At a high level, Tech seems most likely to lend somewhere, possibly the PAC.

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I don't see what is so great about Tech. If you are the PAC and you want into Texas, going with sparsely populated West Texas doesn't appear to be the most attractive move in the state even if it is a closer geographically than the others.

If the BiG raids the SEC and ACC that is really going to unsettle things. That opens a new spot in the SEC, which I think would be good news for Tech or OSU and could open an additional spot in the ACC.

I'm guessing OSU is the most blindsided of everyone in the XII. I think they always assumed they and OU were a packaged deal due to the politics within the state.

PartyBear said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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PartyBear said:

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Who in the G5 would jump a P5 in a realignment? That list is not big. I see only BYU and Cincinnati as potential.

Neither the ACC nor SEC need Florida for example? Likewise no major conference that would need Colorado doesn't already have the state of Colorado. There isn't any attraction to having the little state of Tennessee, unless perhaps you are the SEC and you therefore have had that one locked up for 100 years.

On the other hand I can see all 3 of the other remaining P5s having an interest in getting into Texas and the geography fits (at least loosely) as well for all of them.

I think only perhaps only as many as 2 P5s would realistically be displaced in the creation of this mythical 4 16 team P5 conference.

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There is interest in Texas, but only if the value is there as no conference wants to expand and take a pay cut for existing teams. Texas and Texas A&M will be fine, but, after that, it will be questionable - the SEC and B1G are the only P5s that can raid other P5s, so all eyes will be on the B1G to see if it targets the ACC or Missouri (which previously preferred the B1G to SEC) before seeing if there will be homes for other Texas schools. At a high level, Tech seems most likely to lend somewhere, possibly the PAC.

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I don't see what is so great about Tech. If you are the PAC and you want into Texas, going with sparsely populated West Texas doesn't appear to be the most attractive move in the state even if it is a closer geographically than the others.

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They'd rather have a larger state school and know they're clear of all religious affiliation.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/texas-and-oklahomas-inevitable-big-12-departure-will-linger-even-if-sec-move-isnt-swift/

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PartyBear said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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PartyBear said:

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Who in the G5 would jump a P5 in a realignment? That list is not big. I see only BYU and Cincinnati as potential.

Neither the ACC nor SEC need Florida for example? Likewise no major conference that would need Colorado doesn't already have the state of Colorado. There isn't any attraction to having the little state of Tennessee, unless perhaps you are the SEC and you therefore have had that one locked up for 100 years.

On the other hand I can see all 3 of the other remaining P5s having an interest in getting into Texas and the geography fits (at least loosely) as well for all of them.

I think only perhaps only as many as 2 P5s would realistically be displaced in the creation of this mythical 4 16 team P5 conference.

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There is interest in Texas, but only if the value is there as no conference wants to expand and take a pay cut for existing teams. Texas and Texas A&M will be fine, but, after that, it will be questionable - the SEC and B1G are the only P5s that can raid other P5s, so all eyes will be on the B1G to see if it targets the ACC or Missouri (which previously preferred the B1G to SEC) before seeing if there will be homes for other Texas schools. At a high level, Tech seems most likely to lend somewhere, possibly the PAC.

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I don't see what is so great about Tech. If you are the PAC and you want into Texas, going with sparsely populated West Texas doesn't appear to be the most attractive move in the state even if it is a closer geographically than the others.

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They'd rather have a larger state school and know they're clear of all religious affiliation.

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There are several variables, but those are among them. In top tier college football, large state schools generally dominate due to higher enrollments, higher living alumni numbers, state government and state wide citizen support, higher ticket and merchandise sales, higher viewership/attendance, and lack of religious affiliation. All of those factors generally push Tech to the #3 slot in the state of Texas. As Robert mentioned, that final item - the lack of religious affiliation - is huge for the PAC and that will keep Baylor, TCU, SMU, BYU and similar schools out of the PAC. That's significant, because those teams aren't getting invites to the SEC or B1G, and so that just leaves the ACC, which is quite a distance away.

All of this ignores Houston, which actually spoke with the PAC 12 a few years ago about joining even though it was not a good fit at that time. Maybe Tech and Houston to PAC? It's not pretty, but, given the variables at play, it wouldn't be the worst thing ever for that conference.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/7/18/12218248/houston-pac-12-big-12-conference-realignment-rumors

It's ironic that the media has continued to write the tombstone of the Pac 12 over the past 4 years, indicating how much financial issues and underpromises of revenue streams from the Pac 12 Network caused, yet not once did you see or hear USC or UCLA yammering the way OU and UT have in the Big 12.

boognish_bear said:

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Yuck

If the Big 12 came calling, I think only the AAC Oklahoma/Texas based schools may answer the call.

I don't see UCF/Cincinnati answering that call personally.

I also see WVU eventually getting poached.

This is 🌠hypothetical🌠, please don't butcher me too bad. pic.twitter.com/SyezPJDXoT

— CFB Home (@CFBHome) July 22, 2021

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No, instead of Tulsa, colo St, and ndsutake Memphis, UCF and East Carolina and/or Cincy

Aberzombie1892 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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PartyBear said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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PartyBear said:

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Who in the G5 would jump a P5 in a realignment? That list is not big. I see only BYU and Cincinnati as potential.

Neither the ACC nor SEC need Florida for example? Likewise no major conference that would need Colorado doesn't already have the state of Colorado. There isn't any attraction to having the little state of Tennessee, unless perhaps you are the SEC and you therefore have had that one locked up for 100 years.

On the other hand I can see all 3 of the other remaining P5s having an interest in getting into Texas and the geography fits (at least loosely) as well for all of them.

I think only perhaps only as many as 2 P5s would realistically be displaced in the creation of this mythical 4 16 team P5 conference.

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There is interest in Texas, but only if the value is there as no conference wants to expand and take a pay cut for existing teams. Texas and Texas A&M will be fine, but, after that, it will be questionable - the SEC and B1G are the only P5s that can raid other P5s, so all eyes will be on the B1G to see if it targets the ACC or Missouri (which previously preferred the B1G to SEC) before seeing if there will be homes for other Texas schools. At a high level, Tech seems most likely to lend somewhere, possibly the PAC.

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I don't see what is so great about Tech. If you are the PAC and you want into Texas, going with sparsely populated West Texas doesn't appear to be the most attractive move in the state even if it is a closer geographically than the others.

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They'd rather have a larger state school and know they're clear of all religious affiliation.

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There are several variables, but those are among them. In top tier college football, large state schools generally dominate due to higher enrollments, higher living alumni numbers, state government and state wide citizen support, higher ticket and merchandise sales, higher viewership/attendance, and lack of religious affiliation. All of those factors generally push Tech to the #3 slot in the state of Texas. As Robert mentioned, that final item - the lack of religious affiliation - is huge for the PAC and that will keep Baylor, TCU, SMU, BYU and similar schools out of the PAC. That's significant, because those teams aren't getting invites to the SEC or B1G, and so that just leaves the ACC, which is quite a distance away.

All of this ignores Houston, which actually spoke with the PAC 12 a few years ago about joining even though it was not a good fit at that time. Maybe Tech and Houston to PAC? It's not pretty, but, given the variables at play, it wouldn't be the worst thing ever for that conference.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/7/18/12218248/houston-pac-12-big-12-conference-realignment-rumors

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The ACC is not far away compared to the PAC 12. Cali, Oregon and Wash are much farther away than Florida, NC, SC, Georgia etc.

I think y'all believe religion is some huge factor for everyone because it is for you. This is business. Texas for example doesn't care if it's HC is Mormon and neither did UW. Cal and now USC don't care about the religious up bringing in Texas of Dykes and Helton.

It's about money. Baylor has changed quite a bit as well since 11 years ago. 11 years ago we were just coming out of the trauma of Sloan's 10 year attempt to turn Baylor into another Liberty. Yes that type of place is unattractive. And our reputation had been damaged at that point. Now Baylor is a large private school more like SMU and TCU but about the size of most flagship and land grant state schools around the country. Making it a private school more like USC and Miami that has built up a good athletic brand over the past 10 years as well. It isn't unattractive. Also perhaps our conservative BOR had wind of some of this and hence why they voted to allow homosexual clubs are allowed on campus now. That said I'm not claiming Baylor is the hottest brand out there and will bring a lot of eyes from Texas with it. I do think we could be a decent candidate for P5s.

Hopefully, by now, Mack has a good relationship with all ACC leadership. We knew this day would come.