If I've learned anything in college athletics, dealing with Texas is like invading Afghanistan. You think you're doing it for all the right reasons until it's twenty years later and you're trying to justify flying to Morgantown and no one remembers why.
— Fake Dan Beebe (@DanBeebe) July 21, 2021
Texas really allowed TCU and WVU to be the last members of the Big 12, went 7-11 against them, and now wants to leave the conference pic.twitter.com/Df0KYNdBhW
— RedditCFB (@RedditCFB) July 21, 2021
I'll drink to that.TellMeYouLoveMe said:
This is less a Big 12 revolt than it is the official retirement party of Bob Bowlsby..and that's a good thing..
Who dat? Geaux figure ...muddybrazos said:
Aggy, Mizzou and Ark would no vote. I bet there will be another school that likes to recruit Texas that could vote no.
ABC BEAR said:I'll drink to that.TellMeYouLoveMe said:
This is less a Big 12 revolt than it is the official retirement party of Bob Bowlsby..and that's a good thing..
Dia del DougO said:
Sounds like a slow sports news week, with no real football for six weeks, baseball in midseason a long way from playoffs, NBA finals WGAF, even Olympics with no fans starting with sports that nobody watches. I guess it's prime time to throw stuff against the wall and see if it stick. You know...journalism. Realignment talk always seems to fit in that pattern somewhere.
I don't think they let it. I think the preference would have absolutely been it stay quiet. I say that from experience. It was an A&M leak.
— Billy Liucci (@billyliucci) July 22, 2021
boognish_bear said:
Where does Iowa St end up? B1G?
Aberzombie1892 said:boognish_bear said:
Where does Iowa St end up? B1G?
Likely not in a P4. The B1G has no need for it and it's geography is unattractive to the other power conferences.
boognish_bear said:Aberzombie1892 said:boognish_bear said:
Where does Iowa St end up? B1G?
Likely not in a P4. The B1G has no need for it and it's geography is unattractive to the other power conferences.
I would think that would end Matt Campbell's loyalty to the program
PartyBear said:
Who in the G5 would jump a P5 in a realignment? That list is not big. I see only BYU and Cincinnati as potential.
Neither the ACC nor SEC need Florida for example? Likewise no major conference that would need Colorado doesn't already have the state of Colorado. There isn't any attraction to having the little state of Tennessee, unless perhaps you are the SEC and you therefore have had that one locked up for 100 years.
On the other hand I can see all 3 of the other remaining P5s having an interest in getting into Texas and the geography fits (at least loosely) as well for all of them.
I think only perhaps only as many as 2 P5s would realistically be displaced in the creation of this mythical 4 16 team P5 conference.
On the Oklahoma State situation: I've talked to several politically-connected folks in the state today. There is almost nothing the legislature could do to keep OU and OSU together. A big reason they were attached at the hip last time? David Boren.https://t.co/yaKyxgLCs5
— Jason Kersey (@jasonkersey) July 22, 2021
Miss the days when college football was truly regional first, national second
— Pick Six Previews (@PickSixPreviews) July 21, 2021
Each wave of realignment destroys history, tradition, and rivalries
Aberzombie1892 said:PartyBear said:
Who in the G5 would jump a P5 in a realignment? That list is not big. I see only BYU and Cincinnati as potential.
Neither the ACC nor SEC need Florida for example? Likewise no major conference that would need Colorado doesn't already have the state of Colorado. There isn't any attraction to having the little state of Tennessee, unless perhaps you are the SEC and you therefore have had that one locked up for 100 years.
On the other hand I can see all 3 of the other remaining P5s having an interest in getting into Texas and the geography fits (at least loosely) as well for all of them.
I think only perhaps only as many as 2 P5s would realistically be displaced in the creation of this mythical 4 16 team P5 conference.
There is interest in Texas, but only if the value is there as no conference wants to expand and take a pay cut for existing teams. Texas and Texas A&M will be fine, but, after that, it will be questionable - the SEC and B1G are the only P5s that can raid other P5s, so all eyes will be on the B1G to see if it targets the ACC or Missouri (which previously preferred the B1G to SEC) before seeing if there will be homes for other Texas schools. At a high level, Tech seems most likely to lend somewhere, possibly the PAC.
PartyBear said:Aberzombie1892 said:PartyBear said:
Who in the G5 would jump a P5 in a realignment? That list is not big. I see only BYU and Cincinnati as potential.
Neither the ACC nor SEC need Florida for example? Likewise no major conference that would need Colorado doesn't already have the state of Colorado. There isn't any attraction to having the little state of Tennessee, unless perhaps you are the SEC and you therefore have had that one locked up for 100 years.
On the other hand I can see all 3 of the other remaining P5s having an interest in getting into Texas and the geography fits (at least loosely) as well for all of them.
I think only perhaps only as many as 2 P5s would realistically be displaced in the creation of this mythical 4 16 team P5 conference.
There is interest in Texas, but only if the value is there as no conference wants to expand and take a pay cut for existing teams. Texas and Texas A&M will be fine, but, after that, it will be questionable - the SEC and B1G are the only P5s that can raid other P5s, so all eyes will be on the B1G to see if it targets the ACC or Missouri (which previously preferred the B1G to SEC) before seeing if there will be homes for other Texas schools. At a high level, Tech seems most likely to lend somewhere, possibly the PAC.
I don't see what is so great about Tech. If you are the PAC and you want into Texas, going with sparsely populated West Texas doesn't appear to be the most attractive move in the state even if it is a closer geographically than the others.
There are several variables, but those are among them. In top tier college football, large state schools generally dominate due to higher enrollments, higher living alumni numbers, state government and state wide citizen support, higher ticket and merchandise sales, higher viewership/attendance, and lack of religious affiliation. All of those factors generally push Tech to the #3 slot in the state of Texas. As Robert mentioned, that final item - the lack of religious affiliation - is huge for the PAC and that will keep Baylor, TCU, SMU, BYU and similar schools out of the PAC. That's significant, because those teams aren't getting invites to the SEC or B1G, and so that just leaves the ACC, which is quite a distance away.Robert Wilson said:PartyBear said:Aberzombie1892 said:PartyBear said:
Who in the G5 would jump a P5 in a realignment? That list is not big. I see only BYU and Cincinnati as potential.
Neither the ACC nor SEC need Florida for example? Likewise no major conference that would need Colorado doesn't already have the state of Colorado. There isn't any attraction to having the little state of Tennessee, unless perhaps you are the SEC and you therefore have had that one locked up for 100 years.
On the other hand I can see all 3 of the other remaining P5s having an interest in getting into Texas and the geography fits (at least loosely) as well for all of them.
I think only perhaps only as many as 2 P5s would realistically be displaced in the creation of this mythical 4 16 team P5 conference.
There is interest in Texas, but only if the value is there as no conference wants to expand and take a pay cut for existing teams. Texas and Texas A&M will be fine, but, after that, it will be questionable - the SEC and B1G are the only P5s that can raid other P5s, so all eyes will be on the B1G to see if it targets the ACC or Missouri (which previously preferred the B1G to SEC) before seeing if there will be homes for other Texas schools. At a high level, Tech seems most likely to lend somewhere, possibly the PAC.
I don't see what is so great about Tech. If you are the PAC and you want into Texas, going with sparsely populated West Texas doesn't appear to be the most attractive move in the state even if it is a closer geographically than the others.
They'd rather have a larger state school and know they're clear of all religious affiliation.
No, instead of Tulsa, colo St, and ndsutake Memphis, UCF and East Carolina and/or Cincyboognish_bear said:
YuckIf the Big 12 came calling, I think only the AAC Oklahoma/Texas based schools may answer the call.
— CFB Home (@CFBHome) July 22, 2021
I don't see UCF/Cincinnati answering that call personally.
I also see WVU eventually getting poached.
This is 🌠hypothetical🌠, please don't butcher me too bad. pic.twitter.com/SyezPJDXoT
The ACC is not far away compared to the PAC 12. Cali, Oregon and Wash are much farther away than Florida, NC, SC, Georgia etc.Aberzombie1892 said:There are several variables, but those are among them. In top tier college football, large state schools generally dominate due to higher enrollments, higher living alumni numbers, state government and state wide citizen support, higher ticket and merchandise sales, higher viewership/attendance, and lack of religious affiliation. All of those factors generally push Tech to the #3 slot in the state of Texas. As Robert mentioned, that final item - the lack of religious affiliation - is huge for the PAC and that will keep Baylor, TCU, SMU, BYU and similar schools out of the PAC. That's significant, because those teams aren't getting invites to the SEC or B1G, and so that just leaves the ACC, which is quite a distance away.Robert Wilson said:PartyBear said:Aberzombie1892 said:PartyBear said:
Who in the G5 would jump a P5 in a realignment? That list is not big. I see only BYU and Cincinnati as potential.
Neither the ACC nor SEC need Florida for example? Likewise no major conference that would need Colorado doesn't already have the state of Colorado. There isn't any attraction to having the little state of Tennessee, unless perhaps you are the SEC and you therefore have had that one locked up for 100 years.
On the other hand I can see all 3 of the other remaining P5s having an interest in getting into Texas and the geography fits (at least loosely) as well for all of them.
I think only perhaps only as many as 2 P5s would realistically be displaced in the creation of this mythical 4 16 team P5 conference.
There is interest in Texas, but only if the value is there as no conference wants to expand and take a pay cut for existing teams. Texas and Texas A&M will be fine, but, after that, it will be questionable - the SEC and B1G are the only P5s that can raid other P5s, so all eyes will be on the B1G to see if it targets the ACC or Missouri (which previously preferred the B1G to SEC) before seeing if there will be homes for other Texas schools. At a high level, Tech seems most likely to lend somewhere, possibly the PAC.
I don't see what is so great about Tech. If you are the PAC and you want into Texas, going with sparsely populated West Texas doesn't appear to be the most attractive move in the state even if it is a closer geographically than the others.
They'd rather have a larger state school and know they're clear of all religious affiliation.
All of this ignores Houston, which actually spoke with the PAC 12 a few years ago about joining even though it was not a good fit at that time. Maybe Tech and Houston to PAC? It's not pretty, but, given the variables at play, it wouldn't be the worst thing ever for that conference.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/7/18/12218248/houston-pac-12-big-12-conference-realignment-rumors