Its a red flag because he had a reason to recuse himself here, but for some reason didn't when approached to sign for a warrant to raid Mar-a-Lago. It could have been a conflict in connection with HRC, but we need more details.Osodecentx said:What does it mean?Doc Holliday said:He made rulings from March through June 2022 in that case and now he signs a warrant to search Mar A Lago.Sam Lowry said:There have been half a dozen judges recused from that case. It could well turn out this one was at Hillary's request.4th and Inches said:
Hi Sam, got this for you..
FBI raids Trump's home
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pretty much- 50k fine and no FBI raidRawhide said:Didn't that guy actually go in there and shove documents in his pants?Harrison Bergeron said:
Scattershooting while wondering how much time Sandy Burger deal from stealing damaging documents from the National Archives.
RP was way ahead of his time.
Ron Paul in 1988:
— Woj 🇵🇱 (@Woj_Pawelczyk) August 9, 2022
"It almost looks like the FBI was designed to spy on Americans who might be disagreeing with policy."pic.twitter.com/NbxPSbZp6B
Making a ruling in a case doesn't mean you have an interest in it. Otherwise every judge would be recused the first time any motion was made.Doc Holliday said:He made rulings from March through June 2022 in that case and now he signs a warrant to search Mar A Lago.Sam Lowry said:There have been half a dozen judges recused from that case. It could well turn out this one was at Hillary's request.4th and Inches said:
Hi Sam, got this for you..
Clarence Beeks was likely involved in the raid.HuMcK said:
Damn, they're already going for the planted evidence shtick, guess the search might have been fruitful.Trump attorney Christina Bobb suggests that the FBI may have planted evidence in Mar-a-Lago pic.twitter.com/bgJWlF2F8W
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) August 9, 2022
No. You don't understand the process.whitetrash said:They filled out the paperwork correctly. Ergo, that should settle it.C. Jordan said:How is this unacceptable?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
I am no Donald Trump fan, but maybe it is time to go ahead and have this Second Civil War. This is unacceptable. Enough. The FBI should be disbanded. They are OFFICIALLY an enemy of the people.
Are you saying Trump is above the law?
This was a legally executed search warrant.
And I thought disbanding the police was a Democrat thing.
Then again, cops had a search warrant that was legally executed on its face to raid Breonna Taylor. How'd that work out?
For this to happen, this would have had to have been passed on by the highest levels of the FBI and DOJ.
Then, it had to be presented to a federal judge with compelling evidence that suggested a crime had been committed. This evidence would have to have been really compelling for the judge to give the warrant.
Then the judge would have had to have granted the warrant.
Furthermore, the cops lied in the Taylor case to get the warrant.
We already know Trump took classified docs to MAL and had already turned some over. Apparently this was about documents he refused to turn over.
Again, you're wanted to defund the FBI over doing their job because you believe Trump is above the law.
You talk like the burden of proof is all on Trump. The DOJ has much to answer for.Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
If they find anything you can bet that will be the story. A little over half of America wont believe anything Trump says. A little under half will believe in anything he says.
And just because someone is skeptical of what the DOJ might say does not mean that they are all in on what Trump says. Actually, I believe that would be a small minority who would fall into the all-in-on-Trump category.
"Red flag."Doc Holliday said:Its a red flag because he had a reason to recuse himself here, but for some reason didn't when approached to sign for a warrant to raid Mar-a-Lago. It could have been a conflict in connection with HRC, but we need more details.Osodecentx said:What does it mean?Doc Holliday said:He made rulings from March through June 2022 in that case and now he signs a warrant to search Mar A Lago.Sam Lowry said:There have been half a dozen judges recused from that case. It could well turn out this one was at Hillary's request.4th and Inches said:
Hi Sam, got this for you..
LOL.
In 2022, the FBI's top threats and priorities:
1. Public school parents
2. Ensuring children can be groomed
3. Enforcing overdue books at the library
1. Public school parents
2. Ensuring children can be groomed
3. Enforcing overdue books at the library
C. Jordan said:No. You don't understand the process.whitetrash said:They filled out the paperwork correctly. Ergo, that should settle it.C. Jordan said:How is this unacceptable?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
I am no Donald Trump fan, but maybe it is time to go ahead and have this Second Civil War. This is unacceptable. Enough. The FBI should be disbanded. They are OFFICIALLY an enemy of the people.
Are you saying Trump is above the law?
This was a legally executed search warrant.
And I thought disbanding the police was a Democrat thing.
Then again, cops had a search warrant that was legally executed on its face to raid Breonna Taylor. How'd that work out?
For this to happen, this would have had to have been passed on by the highest levels of the FBI and DOJ.
Then, it had to be presented to a federal judge with compelling evidence that suggested a crime had been committed. This evidence would have to have been really compelling for the judge to give the warrant.
Then the judge would have had to have granted the warrant.
Furthermore, the cops lied in the Taylor case to get the warrant.
We already know Trump took classified docs to MAL and had already turned some over. Apparently this was about documents he refused to turn over.
Again, you're wanted to defund the FBI over doing their job because you believe Trump is above the law.
They're not doing their job. They are being used as the gestapo.
#WheresHunter
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Harrison Bergeron said:
In 2022, the FBI's top threats and priorities:
1. Public school parents
2. Ensuring children can be groomed
3. Enforcing overdue books at the library
In 2024:
1. Finding new jobs
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yep, statutory penalties for any such violation do not overcome the Constitution definition of qualifications for eligibility.Osodecentx said:Even if it is the right code, this says that Congress can't add to requirements for office.4th and Inches said:as sam said, wrong code..Osodecentx said:I don't know if this is where the Feds are headed. From NYTimes:Sam Lowry said:Probably not. I don't think that's the angle here.4th and Inches said:does that one say if you take some records then you cant run for re-election?Sam Lowry said:We're dealing with a different statute, 44 USC 2201-2209 (Presidential Records Act).Redbrickbear said:Ok I'll play along...lets look at the law.Sam Lowry said:Everyone seems to be hypothesizing that Trump is innocent. It's fair to ask what if he isn't.canoso said:Objection, your Honor. Calls for hypothesizing.Sam Lowry said:
What do you all think the Justice Department should do if a former president illegally hoards classified documents?
[Under 18 U.S.C. 2071, individuals who willfully remove or destroy records "filed or deposited" in "any public office" --- or who attempt to do so --- may be subject to fines or up to three years of imprisonment if they deprive the government use of those documents (United States v. Rosner, 352 F. Supp. 915 (S.D.N.Y. 1972)).
Under 18 U.S.C. 1924, individuals who remove classified materials without authority and with intent to retain them at another location may be fined or subject to imprisonment of up to five years.]
Of course a Constitutional argument can be made that the President of the USA, as Chief of the Executive Branch of the Federal Gov., has the authority to retain such documents and chose the location they are stored.
But if the Regime really wants, and gets some loyalist Judges to play along, it can probably put Trump away for a few years.
But the law that has attracted particular attention is Section 2071 of Title 18 of the United States Code, which makes it a crime if someone who has custody of government documents or records "willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies or destroys" them. Section 2071 is not limited to classified information.
If convicted under that law, defendants can be fined up to $2,000 and sentenced to prison for up to three years. In addition, the statute says, if they are currently in a federal office, they "shall forfeit" that office, and perhaps most importantly, given widespread expectations that Mr. Trump will seek re-election again they shall "be disqualified from holding" any federal office.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/09/us/politics/trump-fbi-investigation.html
The Supreme Court has never ruled on a presidential candidate whose eligibility was challenged based on a conviction under a law whose penalties included disqualification from office. But there have been cases involving Congress that raised analogous disputes.
In a 1969 case, the Supreme Court rejected an attempt by the House of Representatives, by majority vote, to block Adam Clayton Powell Jr. from taking his seat; voters in his district had re-elected him despite allegations of misconduct. The court ruled that, because he met the Constitution's eligibility criteria to be a House member, "the House was without power to exclude him from its membership."
Citing Alexander Hamilton, Chief Justice Earl Warren wrote in that majority opinion that "a fundamental principle of our representative democracy is that "the people should choose whom they please to govern them."
And in a 1995 case, the Supreme Court struck down an amendment to the Arkansas constitution that had attempted to impose term limits on federal House members and senators elected from that state. Justice John Paul Stevens wrote that the state had no power to add qualifications to the list of eligibility criteria established by the federal Constitution.
Citing those and other precedents in an aside in a 2000 case before the Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit in Chicago, Judge Richard Posner, who has been deemed the most cited American legal scholar of all time, asserted that Congress lacked authority to supplement the eligibility requirements for the presidency listed in the Constitution.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/09/us/politics/trump-fbi-investigation.html
Seems like weaponizing the entire executive branch against one political party is pretty big threat to democracy.Married A Horn said:C. Jordan said:No. You don't understand the process.whitetrash said:They filled out the paperwork correctly. Ergo, that should settle it.C. Jordan said:How is this unacceptable?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
I am no Donald Trump fan, but maybe it is time to go ahead and have this Second Civil War. This is unacceptable. Enough. The FBI should be disbanded. They are OFFICIALLY an enemy of the people.
Are you saying Trump is above the law?
This was a legally executed search warrant.
And I thought disbanding the police was a Democrat thing.
Then again, cops had a search warrant that was legally executed on its face to raid Breonna Taylor. How'd that work out?
For this to happen, this would have had to have been passed on by the highest levels of the FBI and DOJ.
Then, it had to be presented to a federal judge with compelling evidence that suggested a crime had been committed. This evidence would have to have been really compelling for the judge to give the warrant.
Then the judge would have had to have granted the warrant.
Furthermore, the cops lied in the Taylor case to get the warrant.
We already know Trump took classified docs to MAL and had already turned some over. Apparently this was about documents he refused to turn over.
Again, you're wanted to defund the FBI over doing their job because you believe Trump is above the law.
They're not doing their job. They are being used as the gestapo.
#WheresHunter
Plus, it has been reported this PM that he contributed $2K to Obama's campaign and victory fund in 2008.Redbrickbear said:
"Raid" is a very dramatic term. They did obtain a search warrant for some of Hillary's emails.Harrison Bergeron said:So home was raided for threatening our democracy (this occurred after the election)?Sam Lowry said:The Clintons were investigated and rightly so. It didn't cost them their freedom, but it probably cost Hillary the election. I had no complaints. That's the way the ball bounces.Harrison Bergeron said:Did the FBI raid the Clinton compound for attacking our democracy?Sam Lowry said:Well, no, we shouldn't have been. Trump has been openly attacking our democracy for a couple of years now, so it makes sense that the system would fight back.Married A Horn said:
We should not have been shocked.
The Democrats continue at rapid pace to throw out all protocol, policy, and rules to retain power. It's authoritarian.canoso said:Plus, it has been reported this PM that he contributed $2K to Obama's campaign and victory fund in 2008.Redbrickbear said:
Anyone going to tell me whether a politician should ever be subject to a search warrant? Or are they above the law?
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
If they find anything you can bet that will be the story. A little over half of America wont believe anything Trump says. A little under half will believe in anything he says.
You know as well as I do ….the KGB will find 'something '. Even if it's just a pair of dirty socks .
Otherwise the KGB will be the laughing stock of the entire world .
Probably the reason VP Harris is telling the marxist media today to stop using "raid" in their op-eds.Sam Lowry said:"Raid" is a very dramatic term. They did obtain a search warrant for some of Hillary's emails.Harrison Bergeron said:So home was raided for threatening our democracy (this occurred after the election)?Sam Lowry said:The Clintons were investigated and rightly so. It didn't cost them their freedom, but it probably cost Hillary the election. I had no complaints. That's the way the ball bounces.Harrison Bergeron said:Did the FBI raid the Clinton compound for attacking our democracy?Sam Lowry said:Well, no, we shouldn't have been. Trump has been openly attacking our democracy for a couple of years now, so it makes sense that the system would fight back.Married A Horn said:
We should not have been shocked.
Stop dude. Just stop. Everyone here knows Hunter, Killary, the vote harvesting mules, the fake dossier people all get a free criminal pass and everyone on the right is being labeled terrorist by this admin.
Just stop dude. You convince no one. What little credibility you had before is fading fast.
Just stop dude. You convince no one. What little credibility you had before is fading fast.
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when you have people on both sides asking for specifics to show the need for this action, you should think bigger..Sam Lowry said:
Anyone going to tell me whether a politician should ever be subject to a search warrant? Or are they above the law?
Of course people should be held accountable but you have to do it the right way. The fact is, there are some major media folks who support the Democrat side of things that are freaked out by this action
I'll say what I said when the Trump Tower meeting was in the news. A lot of people thought seeking campaign intelligence from a foreign source was a crime. I didn't believe it was, either when Trump did it or when Hillary did it. Hillary was very good at undermining her opponent without crossing the line into criminality. That was unfortunate from my point of view, but it's the price you pay when you back an amateur politician against an experienced pro.Married A Horn said:
Stop dude. Just stop. Everyone here knows Hunter, Killary, the vote harvesting mules, the fake dossier people all get a free criminal pass and everyone on the right is being labeled terrorist by this admin.
Just stop dude. You convince no one. What little credibility you had before is fading fast.
The vote harvesting mules are just the 30,000th variation on the same fairy tale you've been spinning since 2020. Hunter is an open question. You'll have your crack at his case if and when the GOP wins the House and decides congressional oversight is constitutional again. That's kind of how this all works.
No one here has any specifics, so all just talking out our asses. With the aroma of one's particular partisanship and indignance wafting thru the thread. Just another politics thread! Good times.
Understandably so. It's a sobering event. That's not my question, though.4th and Inches said:when you have people on both sides asking for specifics to show the need for this action, you should think bigger..Sam Lowry said:
Anyone going to tell me whether a politician should ever be subject to a search warrant? Or are they above the law?
Of course people should be held accountable but you have to do it the right way. The fact is, there are some major media folks who support the Democrat side of things that are freaked out by this action
Well people have "made stuff up" on him before, so he has the right to be concern that it could happen again.HuMcK said:
Damn, they're already going for the planted evidence shtick, guess the search might have been fruitful.Trump attorney Christina Bobb suggests that the FBI may have planted evidence in Mar-a-Lago pic.twitter.com/bgJWlF2F8W
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) August 9, 2022
Be interesting to see what they have recovered though.
So, in your weird world, if someone gets a search warrant then they must be guilty?C. Jordan said:No. You don't understand the process.whitetrash said:They filled out the paperwork correctly. Ergo, that should settle it.C. Jordan said:How is this unacceptable?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
I am no Donald Trump fan, but maybe it is time to go ahead and have this Second Civil War. This is unacceptable. Enough. The FBI should be disbanded. They are OFFICIALLY an enemy of the people.
Are you saying Trump is above the law?
This was a legally executed search warrant.
And I thought disbanding the police was a Democrat thing.
Then again, cops had a search warrant that was legally executed on its face to raid Breonna Taylor. How'd that work out?
For this to happen, this would have had to have been passed on by the highest levels of the FBI and DOJ.
Then, it had to be presented to a federal judge with compelling evidence that suggested a crime had been committed. This evidence would have to have been really compelling for the judge to give the warrant.
Then the judge would have had to have granted the warrant.
Furthermore, the cops lied in the Taylor case to get the warrant.
We already know Trump took classified docs to MAL and had already turned some over. Apparently this was about documents he refused to turn over.
Again, you're wanted to defund the FBI over doing their job because you believe Trump is above the law.
Like the 'authentic' Steele Dossier.Forest Bueller_bf said:Well people have "made stuff up" on him before, so he has the right to be concern that it could happen again.HuMcK said:
Damn, they're already going for the planted evidence shtick, guess the search might have been fruitful.Trump attorney Christina Bobb suggests that the FBI may have planted evidence in Mar-a-Lago pic.twitter.com/bgJWlF2F8W
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) August 9, 2022
Be interesting to see what they have recovered though.
Yes, the FBI has no bias. They are federal angels.
Link?Harrison Bergeron said:
In 2022, the FBI's top threats and priorities:
1. Public school parents
2. Ensuring children can be groomed
3. Enforcing overdue books at the library
We are Bolivia ....nothing more.Jack Bauer said:Like the 'authentic' Steele Dossier.Forest Bueller_bf said:Well people have "made stuff up" on him before, so he has the right to be concern that it could happen again.HuMcK said:
Damn, they're already going for the planted evidence shtick, guess the search might have been fruitful.Trump attorney Christina Bobb suggests that the FBI may have planted evidence in Mar-a-Lago pic.twitter.com/bgJWlF2F8W
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) August 9, 2022
Be interesting to see what they have recovered though.
Yes, the FBI has no bias. They are federal angels.
Thought it would take longer .
Married A Horn said:
Stop dude. Just stop. Everyone here knows Hunter, Killary, the vote harvesting mules, the fake dossier people all get a free criminal pass and everyone on the right is being labeled terrorist by this admin.
Just stop dude. You convince no one. What little credibility you had before is fading fast.
You're nuts
Get help.
Serving a lawful warrant is a raid?Sam Lowry said:"Raid" is a very dramatic term. They did obtain a search warrant for some of Hillary's emails.Harrison Bergeron said:So home was raided for threatening our democracy (this occurred after the election)?Sam Lowry said:The Clintons were investigated and rightly so. It didn't cost them their freedom, but it probably cost Hillary the election. I had no complaints. That's the way the ball bounces.Harrison Bergeron said:Did the FBI raid the Clinton compound for attacking our democracy?Sam Lowry said:Well, no, we shouldn't have been. Trump has been openly attacking our democracy for a couple of years now, so it makes sense that the system would fight back.Married A Horn said:
We should not have been shocked.
yes, very common termOsodecentx said:Serving a lawful warrant is a raid?Sam Lowry said:"Raid" is a very dramatic term. They did obtain a search warrant for some of Hillary's emails.Harrison Bergeron said:So home was raided for threatening our democracy (this occurred after the election)?Sam Lowry said:The Clintons were investigated and rightly so. It didn't cost them their freedom, but it probably cost Hillary the election. I had no complaints. That's the way the ball bounces.Harrison Bergeron said:Did the FBI raid the Clinton compound for attacking our democracy?Sam Lowry said:Well, no, we shouldn't have been. Trump has been openly attacking our democracy for a couple of years now, so it makes sense that the system would fight back.Married A Horn said:
We should not have been shocked.
President Trump's Attorney Alina Habba says Those at Mar-A-Lago were not given a copy of the search warrant..
They were allowed to read it but not keep it or given a copy
They were allowed to read it but not keep it or given a copy
4th and Inches said:
President Trump's Attorney Alina Habba says Those at Mar-A-Lago were not given a copy of the search warrant
Link?