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I am no Donald Trump fan, but maybe it is time to go ahead and have this Second Civil War. This is unacceptable. Enough. The FBI should be disbanded. They are OFFICIALLY an enemy of the people.

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Are there any specific violations of Trump's rights that you can point out and support with evidence?

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Thanks for admitting you weren't paying attention Sam, since ... late 2015.

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Thanks for changing the subject again. We're talking about 2022.

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since 2015 implies 2022 is included

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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I don't take the Fifth like Dear leader

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You are the weak minded who will get him nominated for 2024, just like Dems want

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Yup, Oso has gone squirmy and sweaty, like Hunter when he first heard about a search warrant.

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Old Fifth Amendment Leader has your loyalty to the bitter end

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You oppose Americans using their Constitutional rights.

Noted.

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Dear Leader did.

'If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?' Trump's position on declining to testify has changed over time.
Over the years, former President Donald J. Trump has generally criticized other politicians for taking the Fifth Amendment. But on Wednesday, he invoked the right himself during a deposition at the office of the New York attorney general, and it wasn't the first time.
Mr. Trump previously contended that invoking one's Fifth Amendment rights was virtually an admission of wrongdoing.
"So there are five people taking the Fifth Amendment, like you see on the mob, right? You see the mob takes the Fifth. If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?" Mr. Trump said at a rally in Iowa in 2016, referring to investigations into Hillary Clinton's handling of potentially classified material as secretary of state.
Soon after, at a presidential debate, Mr. Trump doubled down on criticizing Ms. Clinton for using a private email server as secretary of state, again referencing the Fifth Amendment. "When you have your staff taking the Fifth Amendment, taking the Fifth, so they're not prosecuted, when you have the man that set up the illegal server taking the Fifth, I think it's disgraceful," he said.
Yet in 1998, he suggested that President Bill Clinton should have done just that during the impeachment investigation into Clinton. "It's a terrible thing for a president to take the Fifth Amendment, but he probably should have done it. I don't think he could have done any worse than what's happened," Trump said.
On Wednesday, Mr. Trump was singing a different tune, however, when he arrived at the New York attorney general's office in downtown Manhattan to give sworn testimony for a civil inquiry into his business practices.
In a statement emailed just before the questioning started, Mr. Trump acknowledged his shifting positions over the years, but said circumstances had changed. He portrayed himself as the victim of politically motivated investigations, not just by the New York attorney general, but by the Justice Department and other prosecutors who he asserted "have lost all moral and ethical bounds of decency."
"I once asked, 'If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?'" he wrote. "Now I know the answer to that question. When your family, your company, and all the people in your orbit have become the targets of an unfounded, politically motivated Witch Hunt supported by lawyers, prosecutors, and the Fake News Media, you have no choice."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/10/nyregion/trump-fifth-amendment-comments.html

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Don't be foolish. I will take the fifth on anything above a traffic stop, because I am a Republican elected official. I might trust the local cop, but I can't control what Feds might do with anything I say. See the Missouri and Roku examples posted here. (insert the proverbial "we are not in Kansas anymore" here.

After they get thru with Trump, they'll come for his supporters. And after they're done with them, they'll come for you. You've inconveniently spoken & voted & donated too many times over the years to be trusted. And after they're done with you, they'll come after our center-left friends who are uncomfortable with what they're seeing but going along with it because they think Trump is the bigger problem at the moment. And after that, they'll start measuring levels of enthusiasm among true believers.

that's the way these things go.
Until they are stopped.
and they will be.
Everyone will remember who stopped it and who played along with it, too.

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4th and Inches said:

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At the end of his presidency, Barack Obama trucked 30 million pages of his administration's records to Chicago...More than five years after Obama's presidency ended, the National Archives webpage reveals that zero pages have been digitized & disclosed..

Obama is a Dem and aint running for office so nobody cares..

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ABC BEAR said:

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Sending 30+ heavily armed agents onto the property for what reason? What kind of resistance did they expect to encounter? Luckily the FBI didn't set fire to and bulldoze Mar-A-Lago like they did the Koresh compound.

The bureau is a damned disgrace and frankly has been for too much of its history. Harassment of private citizens has been all too common from the Kennedy administration to the present day.

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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At the end of his presidency, Barack Obama trucked 30 million pages of his administration's records to Chicago...More than five years after Obama's presidency ended, the National Archives webpage reveals that zero pages have been digitized & disclosed..

Obama is a Dem and aint running for office so nobody cares..

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Historians certainly care. The DOJ doesn't care because, unlike Trump, Obama is cooperating with NARA and they're the ones in charge of digitizing the documents. So it's a very different situation from what Cruz would have you believe.

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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At the end of his presidency, Barack Obama trucked 30 million pages of his administration's records to Chicago...More than five years after Obama's presidency ended, the National Archives webpage reveals that zero pages have been digitized & disclosed..

Obama is a Dem and aint running for office so nobody cares..

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Historians certainly care. The DOJ doesn't care because, unlike Trump, Obama is cooperating with NARA and they're the ones in charge of digitizing the documents. So it's a very different situation from what Cruz would have you believe.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Anyone going to tell me whether a politician should ever be subject to a search warrant? Or are they above the law?

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most of the outrage about this raid is rooted in the patent double standard at play, about how jarring it is to see how earnestly establishments exercise leniency against individuals in one party while contriving new levels of exactitude against the other.

THAT dynamic is the imminent danger to the Republic. But it serves the vanity of the neverTrumper. Enjoy it while it lasts.

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So it's not really about the law. Just politics as usual.

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only to someone who doesn't believe in equal protection under the law.

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You say it's about equal protection, but you fail to show any real equal protection issue. All you can do is whine about Hillary while conjuring images of cattle cars and concentrations camps.

Trump hasn't even been charged with a records violation. The worst you and I are being threatened with is that if we steal government property, especially classified documents, someone might come to retrieve it. The sky isn't falling. This is still America.

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This doesn't bother you.



Epstein's clients are being covered up. That doesn't bother you.

Hunter Biden is untouchable and that doesn't bother you.

But somehow Trump bothers you and gets 99% of your political attention.

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quash said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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I am no Donald Trump fan, but maybe it is time to go ahead and have this Second Civil War. This is unacceptable. Enough. The FBI should be disbanded. They are OFFICIALLY an enemy of the people.

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Wow, you already know enough facts about this to reach those conclusions? Will the Bears cover the spread against OSU?

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ABC BEAR said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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At the end of his presidency, Barack Obama trucked 30 million pages of his administration's records to Chicago...More than five years after Obama's presidency ended, the National Archives webpage reveals that zero pages have been digitized & disclosed..

Obama is a Dem and aint running for office so nobody cares..

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Historians certainly care. The DOJ doesn't care because, unlike Trump, Obama is cooperating with NARA and they're the ones in charge of digitizing the documents. So it's a very different situation from what Cruz would have you believe.

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Of course with Obama they call and schedule an appointment. They also leave their guns at home during the interview session with the great one.

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Are there any specific violations of Trump's rights that you can point out and support with evidence?

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Thanks for admitting you weren't paying attention Sam, since ... late 2015.

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Thanks for changing the subject again. We're talking about 2022.

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since 2015 implies 2022 is included

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Far from it. Ask a car salesman if he has any '22 models, and he tells you they've had some great stuff come in since 2015…that's a no. I know this old huckster's tactics well.

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Married A Horn said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Are there any specific violations of Trump's rights that you can point out and support with evidence?

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Thanks for admitting you weren't paying attention Sam, since ... late 2015.

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Thanks for changing the subject again. We're talking about 2022.

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since 2015 implies 2022 is included

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Far from it. Ask a car salesman if he has any '22 models, and he tells you they've had some great stuff come in since 2015…that's a no. I know this old huckster's tactics well.

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What a stupid irrelevant analogy

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Rawhide said:

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HuMcK said:

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This sounds like a coordinated message at this point: Trump's lawyer, Eric, and now Rand have all done media hits where they push the "planted evidence" line. Should go without saying, but that's not a good talking point to get boxed into.

Rand Paul suggests the FBI may have planted evidence in boxes they seized from Mar-a-Lago pic.twitter.com/3yd6I9tlaa

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) August 10, 2022

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I won't disagree. I thought the same thing over the whole Russia collusion fake story

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Not allowing the Attorney's to be there, creates this mess. It amazes me how people continue to avoid transparency on things that can come back and bite you.

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Trump is well aware that they don't typically allow attorneys to be there. He's pushing this talking point to create confusion and preemptively cast doubt on whatever he thinks they might find. There's no basis for any presumption that evidence was planted, but that presumption will be established "fact" in MAGA-World within 24 hours if anything incriminating is found.

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Forest Bueller_bf said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Rawhide said:

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HuMcK said:

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This sounds like a coordinated message at this point: Trump's lawyer, Eric, and now Rand have all done media hits where they push the "planted evidence" line. Should go without saying, but that's not a good talking point to get boxed into.

Rand Paul suggests the FBI may have planted evidence in boxes they seized from Mar-a-Lago pic.twitter.com/3yd6I9tlaa

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) August 10, 2022

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I won't disagree. I thought the same thing over the whole Russia collusion fake story

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Not allowing the Attorney's to be there, creates this mess. It amazes me how people continue to avoid transparency on things that can come back and bite you.

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Trump is well aware that they don't typically allow attorneys to be there. He's pushing this talking point to create confusion and preemptively cast doubt on whatever he thinks they might find. There's no basis for any presumption that evidence was planted, but that presumption will be established "fact" in MAGA-World within 24 hours if anything incriminating is found.

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It's also not typical to raid the home of a former president, as a matter of fact it has never happened. So you would think they would want this raid to be as transparent as possible and allowing a Lawyer to observe would keep the speculation of inappropriate acts to a minimum.

Instead you have people ransacking Melania's wardrobe, ransacking Trumps private office, breaking into his Safe, things that should be looked at as untowards no matter your political affiliation.

Instead you have maladjusted people cheering these acts on as if somehow they are righteous.

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Here’s ten minutes of every prominent Democrat denying Donald Trump won the presidential election in 2016. These same people now tell us questioning the result of a presidential election is a direct threat to our democracy. pic.twitter.com/h428LRT8Tq

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) June 23, 2022

Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Anyone going to tell me whether a politician should ever be subject to a search warrant? Or are they above the law?

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most of the outrage about this raid is rooted in the patent double standard at play, about how jarring it is to see how earnestly establishments exercise leniency against individuals in one party while contriving new levels of exactitude against the other.

THAT dynamic is the imminent danger to the Republic. But it serves the vanity of the neverTrumper. Enjoy it while it lasts.

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So it's not really about the law. Just politics as usual.

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only to someone who doesn't believe in equal protection under the law.

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You say it's about equal protection, but you fail to show any real equal protection issue. All you can do is whine about Hillary while conjuring images of cattle cars and concentrations camps.

Trump hasn't even been charged with a records violation. The worst you and I are being threatened with is that if we steal government property, especially classified documents, someone might come to retrieve it. The sky isn't falling. This is still America.

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This doesn't bother you.



Epstein's clients are being covered up. That doesn't bother you.

Hunter Biden is untouchable and that doesn't bother you.

But somehow Trump bothers you and gets 99% of your political attention.

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Read my posts from a few years ago if you don't think Hillary's emails bothered me. Sorry for not keeping up with Epstein, but there are too many right-wing conspiracy theories out there for me to be an expert on every one. Hunter isn't untouchable. He'll be a priority when Republicans have a chance to investigate him (and remember, you'll be against it).

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quash said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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I am no Donald Trump fan, but maybe it is time to go ahead and have this Second Civil War. This is unacceptable. Enough. The FBI should be disbanded. They are OFFICIALLY an enemy of the people.

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Wow, you already know enough facts about this to reach those conclusions? Will the Bears cover the spread against OSU?

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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quash said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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I am no Donald Trump fan, but maybe it is time to go ahead and have this Second Civil War. This is unacceptable. Enough. The FBI should be disbanded. They are OFFICIALLY an enemy of the people.

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Wow, you already know enough facts about this to reach those conclusions? Will the Bears cover the spread against OSU?

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The FBI has been corrupt for many, many years now. Nothing better than a "Libertarian" defending big government and the Deep State.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Anyone going to tell me whether a politician should ever be subject to a search warrant? Or are they above the law?

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most of the outrage about this raid is rooted in the patent double standard at play, about how jarring it is to see how earnestly establishments exercise leniency against individuals in one party while contriving new levels of exactitude against the other.

THAT dynamic is the imminent danger to the Republic. But it serves the vanity of the neverTrumper. Enjoy it while it lasts.

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So it's not really about the law. Just politics as usual.

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only to someone who doesn't believe in equal protection under the law.

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You say it's about equal protection, but you fail to show any real equal protection issue. All you can do is whine about Hillary while conjuring images of cattle cars and concentrations camps.

Trump hasn't even been charged with a records violation. The worst you and I are being threatened with is that if we steal government property, especially classified documents, someone might come to retrieve it. The sky isn't falling. This is still America.

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This doesn't bother you.



Epstein's clients are being covered up. That doesn't bother you.

Hunter Biden is untouchable and that doesn't bother you.

But somehow Trump bothers you and gets 99% of your political attention.

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Read my posts from a few years ago if you don't think Hillary's emails bothered me. Sorry for not keeping up with Epstein, but there are too many right-wing conspiracy theories out there for me to be an expert on every one. Hunter isn't untouchable. He'll be a priority when Republicans have a chance to investigate him (and remember, you'll be against it).

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Epstein had elitist clients that haven't been brought to justice. That's not a conspiracy theory, it's a fact.

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Are there any specific violations of Trump's rights that you can point out and support with evidence?

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Thanks for admitting you weren't paying attention Sam, since ... late 2015.

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Thanks for changing the subject again. We're talking about 2022.

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since 2015 implies 2022 is included

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Far from it. Ask a car salesman if he has any '22 models, and he tells you they've had some great stuff come in since 2015…that's a no. I know this old huckster's tactics well.

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RMF5630 said:

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riflebear said:

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Important 👇

“The Nixon Library did not release the final batch of his secret tapes until 2013—39 yrs after Nixon was driven from office. The LBJ Library delayed releasing the final batch of his secret tapes…until 2016—47 yrs after he left office.” https://t.co/F89Z0Fii9D

— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) August 11, 2022

Obama, Nixon delayed for years in returning Presidential Records Act-covered documentshttps://t.co/Buy1hyOmCx

— The Post Millennial (@TPostMillennial) August 11, 2022

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This is a witch hunt to disqualify Trump, period. Next they will say he weighs the same as a duck, so burn him.

Any other President and none of this happens. This is an Obama and Dick Cheney inspired witch hunt. Didn't think so until he came out with his message.

There is no other reason to wait 18 months before investigating Jan 6th. Why in 2022? The US doesn't have the investigatory depth to investigate a former President?

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Sam Lowry said:

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Married A Horn said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Are there any specific violations of Trump's rights that you can point out and support with evidence?

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Thanks for admitting you weren't paying attention Sam, since ... late 2015.

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Thanks for changing the subject again. We're talking about 2022.

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since 2015 implies 2022 is included

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Far from it. Ask a car salesman if he has any '22 models, and he tells you they've had some great stuff come in since 2015…that's a no. I know this old huckster's tactics well.

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What a stupid irrelevant analogy

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What a witty and substantive comment! I see you're up to your usual high standard today.

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J.B.Katz said:

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RMF5630 said:

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riflebear said:

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Important 👇

“The Nixon Library did not release the final batch of his secret tapes until 2013—39 yrs after Nixon was driven from office. The LBJ Library delayed releasing the final batch of his secret tapes…until 2016—47 yrs after he left office.” https://t.co/F89Z0Fii9D

— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) August 11, 2022

Obama, Nixon delayed for years in returning Presidential Records Act-covered documentshttps://t.co/Buy1hyOmCx

— The Post Millennial (@TPostMillennial) August 11, 2022

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This is a witch hunt to disqualify Trump, period. Next they will say he weighs the same as a duck, so burn him.

Any other President and none of this happens. This is an Obama and Dick Cheney inspired witch hunt. Didn't think so until he came out with his message.

There is no other reason to wait 18 months before investigating Jan 6th. Why in 2022? The US doesn't have the investigatory depth to investigate a former President?

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Trump disqualified himself by trying to disrupt a peaceful transfer of power.

Then Republicans wouldn't vote to impeach him and hold him accountable.

I bet McConnell, to the extent that the old crocadile is capable of regret, wishes the rank and files Rs had taken the political hit them and voted to impeach Trump, clearing the way for a candidate without Trump's considerable baggage.

McConnell's silence about what was characterized as a "raid," but involved the seizure of classified documents Trump improperly took from the White House.

He'd already handed over 15 boxes of documents that he was "legally required to leave in the custody of the federal government" this past February:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/07/us/politics/trump-national-archives-documents.html

"The boxes contained items taken from the White House's residence during a hasty exit after Mr. Trump had spent the bulk of the presidential transition trying to find ways to stay in power, according to two people familiar with the process of how the boxes were returned. At the time, Mr. Trump's aides were either preoccupied with helping him overturn the election, trying to stop him or avoiding him."

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Are there any specific violations of Trump's rights that you can point out and support with evidence?

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Thanks for admitting you weren't paying attention Sam, since ... late 2015.

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Thanks for changing the subject again. We're talking about 2022.

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since 2015 implies 2022 is included

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Far from it. Ask a car salesman if he has any '22 models, and he tells you they've had some great stuff come in since 2015…that's a no. I know this old huckster's tactics well.

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In English, it means Sam knows I tell the truth, which he cannot abide, and so Sam reacts to honesty like Dracula does to a spritz of holy water.

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riflebear said:

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And Twitter didn't cancel one of these people & the govt didn't declare one of them an enemy of the state.

Here’s ten minutes of every prominent Democrat denying Donald Trump won the presidential election in 2016. These same people now tell us questioning the result of a presidential election is a direct threat to our democracy. pic.twitter.com/h428LRT8Tq

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) June 23, 2022

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Forest Bueller_bf said:

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riflebear said:

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And Twitter didn't cancel one of these people & the govt didn't declare one of them an enemy of the state.

Here’s ten minutes of every prominent Democrat denying Donald Trump won the presidential election in 2016. These same people now tell us questioning the result of a presidential election is a direct threat to our democracy. pic.twitter.com/h428LRT8Tq

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) June 23, 2022

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These folks sound at least as bad as Trump.

Why weren't they admonished for being election denyers. They were and they still are.

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Are there any specific violations of Trump's rights that you can point out and support with evidence?

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Thanks for admitting you weren't paying attention Sam, since ... late 2015.

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Thanks for changing the subject again. We're talking about 2022.

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since 2015 implies 2022 is included

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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At the end of his presidency, Barack Obama trucked 30 million pages of his administration's records to Chicago...More than five years after Obama's presidency ended, the National Archives webpage reveals that zero pages have been digitized & disclosed..

Obama is a Dem and aint running for office so nobody cares..

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Historians certainly care. The DOJ doesn't care because, unlike Trump, Obama is cooperating with NARA and they're the ones in charge of digitizing the documents. So it's a very different situation from what Cruz would have you believe.

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riflebear said:

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And Twitter didn't cancel one of these people & the govt didn't declare one of them an enemy of the state.

Here’s ten minutes of every prominent Democrat denying Donald Trump won the presidential election in 2016. These same people now tell us questioning the result of a presidential election is a direct threat to our democracy. pic.twitter.com/h428LRT8Tq

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) June 23, 2022

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Osodecentx said:

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Forest Bueller_bf said:

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riflebear said:

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And Twitter didn't cancel one of these people & the govt didn't declare one of them an enemy of the state.

Here’s ten minutes of every prominent Democrat denying Donald Trump won the presidential election in 2016. These same people now tell us questioning the result of a presidential election is a direct threat to our democracy. pic.twitter.com/h428LRT8Tq

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) June 23, 2022

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These folks sound at least as bad as Trump.

Why weren't they admonished for being election denyers. They were and they still are.

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Okay. I won't vote for them either

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Sam Lowry said:

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Forest Bueller_bf said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Rawhide said:

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HuMcK said:

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This sounds like a coordinated message at this point: Trump's lawyer, Eric, and now Rand have all done media hits where they push the "planted evidence" line. Should go without saying, but that's not a good talking point to get boxed into.

Rand Paul suggests the FBI may have planted evidence in boxes they seized from Mar-a-Lago pic.twitter.com/3yd6I9tlaa

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) August 10, 2022

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I won't disagree. I thought the same thing over the whole Russia collusion fake story

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Not allowing the Attorney's to be there, creates this mess. It amazes me how people continue to avoid transparency on things that can come back and bite you.

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Trump is well aware that they don't typically allow attorneys to be there. He's pushing this talking point to create confusion and preemptively cast doubt on whatever he thinks they might find. There's no basis for any presumption that evidence was planted, but that presumption will be established "fact" in MAGA-World within 24 hours if anything incriminating is found.

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It's also not typical to raid the home of a former president, as a matter of fact it has never happened. So you would think they would want this raid to be as transparent as possible and allowing a Lawyer to observe would keep the speculation of inappropriate acts to a minimum.

Instead you have people ransacking Melania's wardrobe, ransacking Trumps private office, breaking into his Safe, things that should be looked at as untowards no matter your political affiliation.

Instead you have maladjusted people cheering these acts on as if somehow they are righteous.

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One or two lawyers can't look over the shoulders of all those agents. Trump would keep the speculation and misdirection at a maximum regardless.

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J.B.Katz said:

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quash said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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I am no Donald Trump fan, but maybe it is time to go ahead and have this Second Civil War. This is unacceptable. Enough. The FBI should be disbanded. They are OFFICIALLY an enemy of the people.

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Wow, you already know enough facts about this to reach those conclusions? Will the Bears cover the spread against OSU?

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Facts? We don't need no stinkin' facts!

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