Sam Lowry said:
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Sam Lowry said:
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BaylorJacket said:
Truly a fascinating situation. Trump is stupid enough to illegally take home classified Nuclear documents.
But, the government is absolutely (beyond) corrupt enough to plant evidence.
A) nothing he took is classified.. he declassified everything he took by the act of taking it when leaving office.
B) the FBI and NARA had access to the records previously and told him to make them more secure with an additional lock which he did.
As a former president, he has an office, a secured space and security. It was still safe and secure just like the 30000 pages of records Obama has..
Watching to see how the game of warrant chicken playes out..
The warrant affidavit was sealed so I would love to see who "snitched". Supposedly a USS guy..
Both sides are getting riled up and its hilarious to watch.
This is totally incorrect.
A) He has to formally declassify documents. His taking them home doesn't declassify them.
B) The FBI believed he had documents he hadn't disclosed. Apparently an informant in Trumpworld clued them in.
Now, we're hearing the docs may have been related to nukes.
Third, his office at Mara Lardo is not a secure classified facility.
The warrant won't tell you who the informant is.
So, you're wrong about it all.
OK, my turn
A) Classification depends on a number of factors. Some classifications have sunset provisions so after a certain time they declassify (this was done so academics could access historical docs at Archives w/o a cumbersome process), while some are classified only under certain conditions (e.g. the President's travel plans for a given day are classified for that day and while in office bc routine, but are not classified once the POTUS becomes a former POTUS). Still other documents are classified according to who may or may not see them. For example, some documents would not be classified for Trump bc he created the document or already had prior knowledge of their content, but would be beyond the authority of the FBI agents who raided the residence. The absence of a Special Master at the scene therefore either implies that the documents were not sensitive, or else that the FBI royally screwed up.
B) Speculation. Also, the FBI regularly shields their informants by having the real source submit their tips through a third party who is paid by the FBI to play the role. The circumstances do not rule out someone with a grudge making up **** to go after Trump. There is, after all, precedent for just that behavior.
Regarding nukes, you're going to have a really hard time selling that claim. As POTUS, the closest thing Trump would have seen or handled with regard to nuclear weapons would the the SIOP, which by definition is partly created by the POTUS as CINC (see part A about who has authority to see such material), or an old nuclear codes card, which would be valueless and obsolete by the next day. All in all, that dog won't hunt.
As for 'secure facilities', depending on the level of classification any locked cabinet and door may be sufficient to meet the requirement for secure documents. You need to stop confusing movie glitz with the real world.
So, you're blowing smoke like a Cheech & Chong movie. Only you're not funny at all.
The president taking a document home doesn't automatically declassify it. This should be obvious to anyone who's not desperate to come up with a last-ditch defense. The report about the informant and the undisclosed documents isn't speculation. It came from two senior government officials. Your theory that it was made up by someone with a grudge? That's speculation. There are any number of nuclear-related documents other than SIOPS and code cards that a president could see. As for secure facilities, you're probably talking about outdated rules. All classified information currently has to be stored in containers or facilities built according to certain specifications.
behind two locks....a locked file safe and a locked door would suffice, particularly when guarded by armed USG personnel.
....like every Embassy I served in, which had a Marine Security Guard on duty at the front door, a lock on the Station door, a lock on a closet door, and a lock on a metal safe, otherwise located amid a miasma of third-world misery which could have boiled over the walls & up the stairs and be working on the locks with crowbars in minutes.
The appropriate standard would be NARA regulations, not embassy practice.
...which I had to abide by for 10 years or risk a security violation. First offense was an oral reprimand. Second within a 3 year period was a written reprimand that removed you from consideration for promotion for one year. Third was grounds for termination.
I cannot tell you how many times I turned around in the lobby, waived my ID at the MSG, walked back up the stairs and reopened the combo on the station door, then the combo on the closet door, just because I couldn't remember whether or not I checked behind the printer (note: also behind two locks) sitting on top of one of the safes to see if a classified document might have fallen back between the wall and the safe (had to have 6 inches gap back there to facilitate the search). Never found an oversight of my own, and never had a security violation. They were actually quite rare in the Agency. I saw one occur where I served. in ten years. State Dept had them nightly, because they didn't have in place the onerous punishment regime noted above.
With respect, you should listen rather than post on matters of classification and security standards.
Oh. I had to remember all those combos in my head. We had two station doors at my first posting. One closet, and 6 safes in the closet. 8 combinations, not your normal combination locks, either.....
