Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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That decision was narrower than it's being made to sound. It isn't going to help Trump much without NARA on his side.

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that's not entirely accurate either as Nara was not on Clinton side. The previous case is neither a slam dunk for the defense or something that the prosecution can wave away and dismiss.

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Clinton wasn't a party, but to the extent that he had an interest it was aligned with NARA's. The main point was that NARA couldn't be forced to act. In this case they've chosen to act against Trump.

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must be nice that an archivist can choose to not follow PRA but Trump cant..

It was a cover. They took privilaged files and looked at them and then said oops. They took his passport and looked at where he has been and said oops. The wrote the warrant scope wide with little parameters fishing for information.

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The law requires different things of the archivist and the president.

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According to you Sam, Trump has no rights. They can do what they want and it is all ok. Every t crossed and i dotted, very authoritarian. I hesitate to go to the Nazi Party route because it will be considered sensationalizing, but they did the same and we have excellent records of it because the crossed the t's and dotted the i's. Kept immaculate records of stuff they considered legal and done by the book.

That is the problem with the Espionage Act that people have been screaming about, some conservatives and some liberals, since 1917. It gives the Government almost unlimited power and is almost indefensible if the spot light is on you, if politicized it is quite the weapon.

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Yeah, T has rights but he abused them and broke the law.

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What charges? Come on, what has he been convicted of? What trial has Trump had that he was guilty? You just saying that does not make it real.

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No charges and maybe none ever.

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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That decision was narrower than it's being made to sound. It isn't going to help Trump much without NARA on his side.

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that's not entirely accurate either as Nara was not on Clinton side. The previous case is neither a slam dunk for the defense or something that the prosecution can wave away and dismiss.

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Clinton wasn't a party, but to the extent that he had an interest it was aligned with NARA's. The main point was that NARA couldn't be forced to act. In this case they've chosen to act against Trump.

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must be nice that an archivist can choose to not follow PRA but Trump cant..

It was a cover. They took privilaged files and looked at them and then said oops. They took his passport and looked at where he has been and said oops. The wrote the warrant scope wide with little parameters fishing for information.

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The law requires different things of the archivist and the president.

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According to you Sam, Trump has no rights. They can do what they want and it is all ok. Every t crossed and i dotted, very authoritarian. I hesitate to go to the Nazi Party route because it will be considered sensationalizing, but they did the same and we have excellent records of it because the crossed the t's and dotted the i's. Kept immaculate records of stuff they considered legal and done by the book.

That is the problem with the Espionage Act that people have been screaming about, some conservatives and some liberals, since 1917. It gives the Government almost unlimited power and is almost indefensible if the spot light is on you, if politicized it is quite the weapon.

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Yeah, T has rights but he abused them and broke the law.

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What charges? Come on, what has he been convicted of? What trial has Trump had that he was guilty? You just saying that does not make it real.

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No charges and maybe none ever.

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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That decision was narrower than it's being made to sound. It isn't going to help Trump much without NARA on his side.

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that's not entirely accurate either as Nara was not on Clinton side. The previous case is neither a slam dunk for the defense or something that the prosecution can wave away and dismiss.

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Clinton wasn't a party, but to the extent that he had an interest it was aligned with NARA's. The main point was that NARA couldn't be forced to act. In this case they've chosen to act against Trump.

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must be nice that an archivist can choose to not follow PRA but Trump cant..

It was a cover. They took privilaged files and looked at them and then said oops. They took his passport and looked at where he has been and said oops. The wrote the warrant scope wide with little parameters fishing for information.

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The law requires different things of the archivist and the president.

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According to you Sam, Trump has no rights. They can do what they want and it is all ok. Every t crossed and i dotted, very authoritarian. I hesitate to go to the Nazi Party route because it will be considered sensationalizing, but they did the same and we have excellent records of it because the crossed the t's and dotted the i's. Kept immaculate records of stuff they considered legal and done by the book.

That is the problem with the Espionage Act that people have been screaming about, some conservatives and some liberals, since 1917. It gives the Government almost unlimited power and is almost indefensible if the spot light is on you, if politicized it is quite the weapon.

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Yeah, T has rights but he abused them and broke the law.

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What charges? Come on, what has he been convicted of? What trial has Trump had that he was guilty? You just saying that does not make it real.

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No charges and maybe none ever.

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So, how can anyone in America say he broke and abused the law? You can not like him, you can say he is an opportunist or that he is an *******, but not what is being a felon or guilty. If he is convicted, I will be the first to say he should never be allowed to hold office again.

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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That decision was narrower than it's being made to sound. It isn't going to help Trump much without NARA on his side.

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that's not entirely accurate either as Nara was not on Clinton side. The previous case is neither a slam dunk for the defense or something that the prosecution can wave away and dismiss.

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Clinton wasn't a party, but to the extent that he had an interest it was aligned with NARA's. The main point was that NARA couldn't be forced to act. In this case they've chosen to act against Trump.

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must be nice that an archivist can choose to not follow PRA but Trump cant..

It was a cover. They took privilaged files and looked at them and then said oops. They took his passport and looked at where he has been and said oops. The wrote the warrant scope wide with little parameters fishing for information.

---

The law requires different things of the archivist and the president.

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According to you Sam, Trump has no rights. They can do what they want and it is all ok. Every t crossed and i dotted, very authoritarian. I hesitate to go to the Nazi Party route because it will be considered sensationalizing, but they did the same and we have excellent records of it because the crossed the t's and dotted the i's. Kept immaculate records of stuff they considered legal and done by the book.

That is the problem with the Espionage Act that people have been screaming about, some conservatives and some liberals, since 1917. It gives the Government almost unlimited power and is almost indefensible if the spot light is on you, if politicized it is quite the weapon.

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Yeah, T has rights but he abused them and broke the law.

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What charges? Come on, what has he been convicted of? What trial has Trump had that he was guilty? You just saying that does not make it real.

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No charges and maybe none ever.

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So, how can anyone in America say he broke and abused the law? You can not like him, you can say he is an opportunist or that he is an *******, but not what is being a felon or guilty. If he is convicted, I will be the first to say he should never be allowed to hold office again.

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I believe Trump has committed crimes. Given what we know now, I don't believe he should be prosecuted.
He should not be president again.

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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That decision was narrower than it's being made to sound. It isn't going to help Trump much without NARA on his side.

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that's not entirely accurate either as Nara was not on Clinton side. The previous case is neither a slam dunk for the defense or something that the prosecution can wave away and dismiss.

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Clinton wasn't a party, but to the extent that he had an interest it was aligned with NARA's. The main point was that NARA couldn't be forced to act. In this case they've chosen to act against Trump.

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must be nice that an archivist can choose to not follow PRA but Trump cant..

It was a cover. They took privilaged files and looked at them and then said oops. They took his passport and looked at where he has been and said oops. The wrote the warrant scope wide with little parameters fishing for information.

---

The law requires different things of the archivist and the president.

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According to you Sam, Trump has no rights. They can do what they want and it is all ok. Every t crossed and i dotted, very authoritarian. I hesitate to go to the Nazi Party route because it will be considered sensationalizing, but they did the same and we have excellent records of it because the crossed the t's and dotted the i's. Kept immaculate records of stuff they considered legal and done by the book.

That is the problem with the Espionage Act that people have been screaming about, some conservatives and some liberals, since 1917. It gives the Government almost unlimited power and is almost indefensible if the spot light is on you, if politicized it is quite the weapon.

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Yeah, T has rights but he abused them and broke the law.

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What charges? Come on, what has he been convicted of? What trial has Trump had that he was guilty? You just saying that does not make it real.

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No charges and maybe none ever.

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So, how can anyone in America say he broke and abused the law? You can not like him, you can say he is an opportunist or that he is an *******, but not what is being a felon or guilty. If he is convicted, I will be the first to say he should never be allowed to hold office again.

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I believe Trump has committed crimes. Given what we know now, I don't believe he should be prosecuted.
He should not be president again.

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So, back to what happened to innocent until proven guilty? I guess that doesn't exist for Trump.

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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That decision was narrower than it's being made to sound. It isn't going to help Trump much without NARA on his side.

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that's not entirely accurate either as Nara was not on Clinton side. The previous case is neither a slam dunk for the defense or something that the prosecution can wave away and dismiss.

---

Clinton wasn't a party, but to the extent that he had an interest it was aligned with NARA's. The main point was that NARA couldn't be forced to act. In this case they've chosen to act against Trump.

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must be nice that an archivist can choose to not follow PRA but Trump cant..

It was a cover. They took privilaged files and looked at them and then said oops. They took his passport and looked at where he has been and said oops. The wrote the warrant scope wide with little parameters fishing for information.

---

The law requires different things of the archivist and the president.

---

According to you Sam, Trump has no rights. They can do what they want and it is all ok. Every t crossed and i dotted, very authoritarian. I hesitate to go to the Nazi Party route because it will be considered sensationalizing, but they did the same and we have excellent records of it because the crossed the t's and dotted the i's. Kept immaculate records of stuff they considered legal and done by the book.

That is the problem with the Espionage Act that people have been screaming about, some conservatives and some liberals, since 1917. It gives the Government almost unlimited power and is almost indefensible if the spot light is on you, if politicized it is quite the weapon.

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Yeah, T has rights but he abused them and broke the law.

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What charges? Come on, what has he been convicted of? What trial has Trump had that he was guilty? You just saying that does not make it real.

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No charges and maybe none ever.

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So, how can anyone in America say he broke and abused the law? You can not like him, you can say he is an opportunist or that he is an *******, but not what is being a felon or guilty. If he is convicted, I will be the first to say he should never be allowed to hold office again.

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I believe Trump has committed crimes. Given what we know now, I don't believe he should be prosecuted.
He should not be president again.

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So, back to what happened to innocent until proven guilty? I guess that doesn't exist for Trump.

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Innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean immune from investigation until proven guilty. That would be a self-defeating principle.

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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That decision was narrower than it's being made to sound. It isn't going to help Trump much without NARA on his side.

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that's not entirely accurate either as Nara was not on Clinton side. The previous case is neither a slam dunk for the defense or something that the prosecution can wave away and dismiss.

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Clinton wasn't a party, but to the extent that he had an interest it was aligned with NARA's. The main point was that NARA couldn't be forced to act. In this case they've chosen to act against Trump.

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must be nice that an archivist can choose to not follow PRA but Trump cant..

It was a cover. They took privilaged files and looked at them and then said oops. They took his passport and looked at where he has been and said oops. The wrote the warrant scope wide with little parameters fishing for information.

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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That decision was narrower than it's being made to sound. It isn't going to help Trump much without NARA on his side.

---

that's not entirely accurate either as Nara was not on Clinton side. The previous case is neither a slam dunk for the defense or something that the prosecution can wave away and dismiss.

---

Clinton wasn't a party, but to the extent that he had an interest it was aligned with NARA's. The main point was that NARA couldn't be forced to act. In this case they've chosen to act against Trump.

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must be nice that an archivist can choose to not follow PRA but Trump cant..

It was a cover. %A0They took privilaged files and looked at them and then said oops. %A0They took his passport and looked at where he has been and said oops. The wrote the warrant scope wide with little parameters fishing for information.

---

The law requires different things of the archivist and the president.

---

According to you Sam, Trump has no rights. They can do what they want and it is all ok. Every t crossed and i dotted, very authoritarian. %A0I hesitate to go to the Nazi Party route because it will be considered sensationalizing, but they did the same and we have excellent records of it because the crossed the t's and dotted the i's. %A0Kept immaculate records of stuff they considered legal and done by the book. %A0

That is the problem with the Espionage Act that people have been screaming about, some conservatives and some liberals, since 1917. %A0It gives the Government almost unlimited power and is almost indefensible if the spot light is on you, if politicized it is quite the weapon.

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Yeah, T has rights but he abused them and broke the law.

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What charges? %A0Come on, what has he been convicted of? %A0What trial has Trump had that he was guilty? %A0You just saying that does not make it real.

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No charges and maybe none ever.

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So, how can anyone in America say he broke and abused the law? %A0You can not like him, you can say he is an opportunist or that he is an *******, but not what is being a felon or guilty. %A0If he is convicted, I will be the first to say he should never %A0be allowed to hold office again.

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I believe Trump has committed crimes. %A0Given what we know now, I don't believe he should be prosecuted.
He should not be president again.

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So, back to what happened to innocent until proven guilty? %A0I guess that doesn't exist for Trump.

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Innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean immune from investigation until proven guilty. That would be a self-defeating principle.

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Investigation is one thing, publicly televised investigations is another. Having Federal Agencies target you is another. %A0That is weaponizing. %A0The Liz Show was weaponizing on National TV against a future candidate.

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Waco1947 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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JUST IN - FBI raids Trump's home Mar-A-Lago in Florida. pic.twitter.com/7dK0bhRtLr

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) August 8, 2022

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He is not a sane man

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Waco1947 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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That decision was narrower than it's being made to sound. It isn't going to help Trump much without NARA on his side.

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that's not entirely accurate either as Nara was not on Clinton side. The previous case is neither a slam dunk for the defense or something that the prosecution can wave away and dismiss.

---

Clinton wasn't a party, but to the extent that he had an interest it was aligned with NARA's. The main point was that NARA couldn't be forced to act. In this case they've chosen to act against Trump.

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must be nice that an archivist can choose to not follow PRA but Trump cant..

It was a cover. They took privilaged files and looked at them and then said oops. They took his passport and looked at where he has been and said oops. The wrote the warrant scope wide with little parameters fishing for information.

---

The law requires different things of the archivist and the president.

---

According to you Sam, Trump has no rights. They can do what they want and it is all ok. Every t crossed and i dotted, very authoritarian. I hesitate to go to the Nazi Party route because it will be considered sensationalizing, but they did the same and we have excellent records of it because the crossed the t's and dotted the i's. Kept immaculate records of stuff they considered legal and done by the book.

That is the problem with the Espionage Act that people have been screaming about, some conservatives and some liberals, since 1917. It gives the Government almost unlimited power and is almost indefensible if the spot light is on you, if politicized it is quite the weapon.

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Yeah, T has rights but he abused them and broke the law.

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RMF5630 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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That decision was narrower than it's being made to sound. It isn't going to help Trump much without NARA on his side.

---

that's not entirely accurate either as Nara was not on Clinton side. The previous case is neither a slam dunk for the defense or something that the prosecution can wave away and dismiss.

---

Clinton wasn't a party, but to the extent that he had an interest it was aligned with NARA's. The main point was that NARA couldn't be forced to act. In this case they've chosen to act against Trump.

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must be nice that an archivist can choose to not follow PRA but Trump cant..

It was a cover. They took privilaged files and looked at them and then said oops. They took his passport and looked at where he has been and said oops. The wrote the warrant scope wide with little parameters fishing for information.

---

The law requires different things of the archivist and the president.

---

According to you Sam, Trump has no rights. They can do what they want and it is all ok. Every t crossed and i dotted, very authoritarian. I hesitate to go to the Nazi Party route because it will be considered sensationalizing, but they did the same and we have excellent records of it because the crossed the t's and dotted the i's. Kept immaculate records of stuff they considered legal and done by the book.

That is the problem with the Espionage Act that people have been screaming about, some conservatives and some liberals, since 1917. It gives the Government almost unlimited power and is almost indefensible if the spot light is on you, if politicized it is quite the weapon.

---

Yeah, T has rights but he abused them and broke the law.

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What charges? Come on, what has he been convicted of? What trial has Trump had that he was guilty? You just saying that does not make it real.

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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That decision was narrower than it's being made to sound. It isn't going to help Trump much without NARA on his side.

---

that's not entirely accurate either as Nara was not on Clinton side. The previous case is neither a slam dunk for the defense or something that the prosecution can wave away and dismiss.

---

Clinton wasn't a party, but to the extent that he had an interest it was aligned with NARA's. The main point was that NARA couldn't be forced to act. In this case they've chosen to act against Trump.

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must be nice that an archivist can choose to not follow PRA but Trump cant..

It was a cover. They took privilaged files and looked at them and then said oops. They took his passport and looked at where he has been and said oops. The wrote the warrant scope wide with little parameters fishing for information.

---

The law requires different things of the archivist and the president.

---

According to you Sam, Trump has no rights. They can do what they want and it is all ok. Every t crossed and i dotted, very authoritarian. I hesitate to go to the Nazi Party route because it will be considered sensationalizing, but they did the same and we have excellent records of it because the crossed the t's and dotted the i's. Kept immaculate records of stuff they considered legal and done by the book.

That is the problem with the Espionage Act that people have been screaming about, some conservatives and some liberals, since 1917. It gives the Government almost unlimited power and is almost indefensible if the spot light is on you, if politicized it is quite the weapon.

---

Yeah, T has rights but he abused them and broke the law.

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What charges? Come on, what has he been convicted of? What trial has Trump had that he was guilty? You just saying that does not make it real.

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No charges and maybe none ever.

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dont really need any, just the appearance of guilt is enough.. if they presented a 92% negative campaign about you for 4-6 years, people will not like you. That emotional dislike is all that is needed to win the political game.

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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That decision was narrower than it's being made to sound. It isn't going to help Trump much without NARA on his side.

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that's not entirely accurate either as Nara was not on Clinton side. The previous case is neither a slam dunk for the defense or something that the prosecution can wave away and dismiss.

---

Clinton wasn't a party, but to the extent that he had an interest it was aligned with NARA's. The main point was that NARA couldn't be forced to act. In this case they've chosen to act against Trump.

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must be nice that an archivist can choose to not follow PRA but Trump cant..

It was a cover. %A0They took privilaged files and looked at them and then said oops. %A0They took his passport and looked at where he has been and said oops. The wrote the warrant scope wide with little parameters fishing for information.

---

The law requires different things of the archivist and the president.

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According to you Sam, Trump has no rights. They can do what they want and it is all ok. Every t crossed and i dotted, very authoritarian. %A0I hesitate to go to the Nazi Party route because it will be considered sensationalizing, but they did the same and we have excellent records of it because the crossed the t's and dotted the i's. %A0Kept immaculate records of stuff they considered legal and done by the book. %A0

That is the problem with the Espionage Act that people have been screaming about, some conservatives and some liberals, since 1917. %A0It gives the Government almost unlimited power and is almost indefensible if the spot light is on you, if politicized it is quite the weapon.

---

Yeah, T has rights but he abused them and broke the law.

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What charges? %A0Come on, what has he been convicted of? %A0What trial has Trump had that he was guilty? %A0You just saying that does not make it real.

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No charges and maybe none ever.

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So, how can anyone in America say he broke and abused the law? %A0You can not like him, you can say he is an opportunist or that he is an *******, but not what is being a felon or guilty. %A0If he is convicted, I will be the first to say he should never %A0be allowed to hold office again.

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I believe Trump has committed crimes. %A0Given what we know now, I don't believe he should be prosecuted.
He should not be president again.

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So, back to what happened to innocent until proven guilty? %A0I guess that doesn't exist for Trump.

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Innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean immune from investigation until proven guilty. That would be a self-defeating principle.

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Investigation is one thing, publicly televised investigations is another. Having Federal Agencies target you is another. %A0That is weaponizing. %A0The Liz Show was weaponizing on National TV against a future candidate.

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If they were investigating in secret, you'd call it police state tactics and demand they televise the evidence. And who do you expect to investigate violations of federal law if not federal agencies? Let's face it, there's no scenario where Trump is accountable and his fans are happy with the process.

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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That decision was narrower than it's being made to sound. It isn't going to help Trump much without NARA on his side.

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that's not entirely accurate either as Nara was not on Clinton side. The previous case is neither a slam dunk for the defense or something that the prosecution can wave away and dismiss.

---

Clinton wasn't a party, but to the extent that he had an interest it was aligned with NARA's. The main point was that NARA couldn't be forced to act. In this case they've chosen to act against Trump.

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must be nice that an archivist can choose to not follow PRA but Trump cant..

It was a cover. %A0They took privilaged files and looked at them and then said oops. %A0They took his passport and looked at where he has been and said oops. The wrote the warrant scope wide with little parameters fishing for information.

---

The law requires different things of the archivist and the president.

---

According to you Sam, Trump has no rights. They can do what they want and it is all ok. Every t crossed and i dotted, very authoritarian. %A0I hesitate to go to the Nazi Party route because it will be considered sensationalizing, but they did the same and we have excellent records of it because the crossed the t's and dotted the i's. %A0Kept immaculate records of stuff they considered legal and done by the book. %A0

That is the problem with the Espionage Act that people have been screaming about, some conservatives and some liberals, since 1917. %A0It gives the Government almost unlimited power and is almost indefensible if the spot light is on you, if politicized it is quite the weapon.

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Yeah, T has rights but he abused them and broke the law.

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What charges? %A0Come on, what has he been convicted of? %A0What trial has Trump had that he was guilty? %A0You just saying that does not make it real.

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No charges and maybe none ever.

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So, how can anyone in America say he broke and abused the law? %A0You can not like him, you can say he is an opportunist or that he is an *******, but not what is being a felon or guilty. %A0If he is convicted, I will be the first to say he should never %A0be allowed to hold office again.

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I believe Trump has committed crimes. %A0Given what we know now, I don't believe he should be prosecuted.
He should not be president again.

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So, back to what happened to innocent until proven guilty? %A0I guess that doesn't exist for Trump.

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Innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean immune from investigation until proven guilty. That would be a self-defeating principle.

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Investigation is one thing, publicly televised investigations is another. Having Federal Agencies target you is another. %A0That is weaponizing. %A0The Liz Show was weaponizing on National TV against a future candidate.

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If they were investigating in secret, you'd call it police state tactics and demand they televise the evidence. And who do you expect to investigate violations of federal law if not federal agencies? Let's face it, there's no scenario where Trump is accountable and his fans are happy with the process.

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So, you find the Liz Show perfectly fine? Yeah, nothing politically motivated there. We can speculate that Trump is guilty, but the Jan 6th Commission is above board!

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Sam Lowry said:

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You say "politically motivated" like it means something. Congress is a political body. Show me anything about it that's not politically motivated and then we'll talk.

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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That decision was narrower than it's being made to sound. It isn't going to help Trump much without NARA on his side.

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that's not entirely accurate either as Nara was not on Clinton side. The previous case is neither a slam dunk for the defense or something that the prosecution can wave away and dismiss.

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Clinton wasn't a party, but to the extent that he had an interest it was aligned with NARA's. The main point was that NARA couldn't be forced to act. In this case they've chosen to act against Trump.

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must be nice that an archivist can choose to not follow PRA but Trump cant..

It was a cover. They took privilaged files and looked at them and then said oops. They took his passport and looked at where he has been and said oops. The wrote the warrant scope wide with little parameters fishing for information.

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The law requires different things of the archivist and the president.

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According to you Sam, Trump has no rights. They can do what they want and it is all ok. Every t crossed and i dotted, very authoritarian. I hesitate to go to the Nazi Party route because it will be considered sensationalizing, but they did the same and we have excellent records of it because the crossed the t's and dotted the i's. Kept immaculate records of stuff they considered legal and done by the book.

That is the problem with the Espionage Act that people have been screaming about, some conservatives and some liberals, since 1917. It gives the Government almost unlimited power and is almost indefensible if the spot light is on you, if politicized it is quite the weapon.

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Yeah, T has rights but he abused them and broke the law.

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What charges? Come on, what has he been convicted of? What trial has Trump had that he was guilty? You just saying that does not make it real.

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No charges and maybe none ever.

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So, how can anyone in America say he broke and abused the law? You can not like him, you can say he is an opportunist or that he is an *******, but not what is being a felon or guilty. If he is convicted, I will be the first to say he should never be allowed to hold office again.

---

I believe Trump has committed crimes. Given what we know now, I don't believe he should be prosecuted.
He should not be president again.

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So, back to what happened to innocent until proven guilty? I guess that doesn't exist for Trump.

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Innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean immune from investigation until proven guilty. That would be a self-defeating principle.

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Redbrickbear said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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I am no Donald Trump fan, but maybe it is time to go ahead and have this Second Civil War. This is unacceptable. Enough. The FBI should be disbanded. They are OFFICIALLY an enemy of the people.

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We never had a 1st civil war.

We had a secessionist war where half the country tied to leave. They wanted to be left alone by Washington and had no desire to rule the other half at all.

The next time neither of the opposing sides will make that mistake.

It will be a true civil war. One side will win total victory and mass eliminate the other side.

Think Spanish Civil War or Russian Civil War.

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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That decision was narrower than it's being made to sound. It isn't going to help Trump much without NARA on his side.

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that's not entirely accurate either as Nara was not on Clinton side. The previous case is neither a slam dunk for the defense or something that the prosecution can wave away and dismiss.

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Clinton wasn't a party, but to the extent that he had an interest it was aligned with NARA's. The main point was that NARA couldn't be forced to act. In this case they've chosen to act against Trump.

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must be nice that an archivist can choose to not follow PRA but Trump cant..

It was a cover. They took privilaged files and looked at them and then said oops. They took his passport and looked at where he has been and said oops. The wrote the warrant scope wide with little parameters fishing for information.

---

The law requires different things of the archivist and the president.

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According to you Sam, Trump has no rights. They can do what they want and it is all ok. Every t crossed and i dotted, very authoritarian. I hesitate to go to the Nazi Party route because it will be considered sensationalizing, but they did the same and we have excellent records of it because the crossed the t's and dotted the i's. Kept immaculate records of stuff they considered legal and done by the book.

That is the problem with the Espionage Act that people have been screaming about, some conservatives and some liberals, since 1917. It gives the Government almost unlimited power and is almost indefensible if the spot light is on you, if politicized it is quite the weapon.

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Yeah, T has rights but he abused them and broke the law.

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What charges? Come on, what has he been convicted of? What trial has Trump had that he was guilty? You just saying that does not make it real.

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No charges and maybe none ever.

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So, how can anyone in America say he broke and abused the law? You can not like him, you can say he is an opportunist or that he is an *******, but not what is being a felon or guilty. If he is convicted, I will be the first to say he should never be allowed to hold office again.

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I believe Trump has committed crimes. Given what we know now, I don't believe he should be prosecuted.
He should not be president again.

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So, back to what happened to innocent until proven guilty? I guess that doesn't exist for Trump.

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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You say "politically motivated" like it means something. Congress is a political body. Show me anything about it that's not politically motivated and then we'll talk.

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So, you think the format and timing is perfectly fine.

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Golem said:

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The left never changes tactics, just faces.

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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That decision was narrower than it's being made to sound. It isn't going to help Trump much without NARA on his side.

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that's not entirely accurate either as Nara was not on Clinton side. The previous case is neither a slam dunk for the defense or something that the prosecution can wave away and dismiss.

---

Clinton wasn't a party, but to the extent that he had an interest it was aligned with NARA's. The main point was that NARA couldn't be forced to act. In this case they've chosen to act against Trump.

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must be nice that an archivist can choose to not follow PRA but Trump cant..

It was a cover. They took privilaged files and looked at them and then said oops. They took his passport and looked at where he has been and said oops. The wrote the warrant scope wide with little parameters fishing for information.

---

The law requires different things of the archivist and the president.

---

According to you Sam, Trump has no rights. They can do what they want and it is all ok. Every t crossed and i dotted, very authoritarian. I hesitate to go to the Nazi Party route because it will be considered sensationalizing, but they did the same and we have excellent records of it because the crossed the t's and dotted the i's. Kept immaculate records of stuff they considered legal and done by the book.

That is the problem with the Espionage Act that people have been screaming about, some conservatives and some liberals, since 1917. It gives the Government almost unlimited power and is almost indefensible if the spot light is on you, if politicized it is quite the weapon.

---

Yeah, T has rights but he abused them and broke the law.

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What charges? Come on, what has he been convicted of? What trial has Trump had that he was guilty? You just saying that does not make it real.

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No charges and maybe none ever.

---

So, how can anyone in America say he broke and abused the law? You can not like him, you can say he is an opportunist or that he is an *******, but not what is being a felon or guilty. If he is convicted, I will be the first to say he should never be allowed to hold office again.

---

I believe Trump has committed crimes. Given what we know now, I don't believe he should be prosecuted.
He should not be president again.

---

So, back to what happened to innocent until proven guilty? I guess that doesn't exist for Trump.

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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That decision was narrower than it's being made to sound. It isn't going to help Trump much without NARA on his side.

---

that's not entirely accurate either as Nara was not on Clinton side. The previous case is neither a slam dunk for the defense or something that the prosecution can wave away and dismiss.

---

Clinton wasn't a party, but to the extent that he had an interest it was aligned with NARA's. The main point was that NARA couldn't be forced to act. In this case they've chosen to act against Trump.

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must be nice that an archivist can choose to not follow PRA but Trump cant..

It was a cover. %A0They took privilaged files and looked at them and then said oops. %A0They took his passport and looked at where he has been and said oops. The wrote the warrant scope wide with little parameters fishing for information.

---

The law requires different things of the archivist and the president.

---

According to you Sam, Trump has no rights. They can do what they want and it is all ok. Every t crossed and i dotted, very authoritarian. %A0I hesitate to go to the Nazi Party route because it will be considered sensationalizing, but they did the same and we have excellent records of it because the crossed the t's and dotted the i's. %A0Kept immaculate records of stuff they considered legal and done by the book. %A0

That is the problem with the Espionage Act that people have been screaming about, some conservatives and some liberals, since 1917. %A0It gives the Government almost unlimited power and is almost indefensible if the spot light is on you, if politicized it is quite the weapon.

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Yeah, T has rights but he abused them and broke the law.

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What charges? %A0Come on, what has he been convicted of? %A0What trial has Trump had that he was guilty? %A0You just saying that does not make it real.

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No charges and maybe none ever.

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So, how can anyone in America say he broke and abused the law? %A0You can not like him, you can say he is an opportunist or that he is an *******, but not what is being a felon or guilty. %A0If he is convicted, I will be the first to say he should never %A0be allowed to hold office again.

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I believe Trump has committed crimes. %A0Given what we know now, I don't believe he should be prosecuted.
He should not be president again.

---

So, back to what happened to innocent until proven guilty? %A0I guess that doesn't exist for Trump.

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Innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean immune from investigation until proven guilty. That would be a self-defeating principle.

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Investigation is one thing, publicly televised investigations is another. Having Federal Agencies target you is another. %A0That is weaponizing. %A0The Liz Show was weaponizing on National TV against a future candidate.

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If they were investigating in secret, you'd call it police state tactics and demand they televise the evidence. And who do you expect to investigate violations of federal law if not federal agencies? Let's face it, there's no scenario where Trump is accountable and his fans are happy with the process.

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So, you find the Liz Show perfectly fine? Yeah, nothing politically motivated there. We can speculate that Trump is guilty, but the Jan 6th Commission is above board!

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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That decision was narrower than it's being made to sound. It isn't going to help Trump much without NARA on his side.

---

that's not entirely accurate either as Nara was not on Clinton side. The previous case is neither a slam dunk for the defense or something that the prosecution can wave away and dismiss.

---

Clinton wasn't a party, but to the extent that he had an interest it was aligned with NARA's. The main point was that NARA couldn't be forced to act. In this case they've chosen to act against Trump.

---

must be nice that an archivist can choose to not follow PRA but Trump cant..

It was a cover. They took privilaged files and looked at them and then said oops. They took his passport and looked at where he has been and said oops. The wrote the warrant scope wide with little parameters fishing for information.

---

The law requires different things of the archivist and the president.

---

According to you Sam, Trump has no rights. They can do what they want and it is all ok. Every t crossed and i dotted, very authoritarian. I hesitate to go to the Nazi Party route because it will be considered sensationalizing, but they did the same and we have excellent records of it because the crossed the t's and dotted the i's. Kept immaculate records of stuff they considered legal and done by the book.

That is the problem with the Espionage Act that people have been screaming about, some conservatives and some liberals, since 1917. It gives the Government almost unlimited power and is almost indefensible if the spot light is on you, if politicized it is quite the weapon.

---

Yeah, T has rights but he abused them and broke the law.

---

What charges? Come on, what has he been convicted of? What trial has Trump had that he was guilty? You just saying that does not make it real.

---

No charges and maybe none ever.

---

So, how can anyone in America say he broke and abused the law? You can not like him, you can say he is an opportunist or that he is an *******, but not what is being a felon or guilty. If he is convicted, I will be the first to say he should never be allowed to hold office again.

---

I believe Trump has committed crimes. Given what we know now, I don't believe he should be prosecuted.
He should not be president again.

---

So, back to what happened to innocent until proven guilty? I guess that doesn't exist for Trump.

---

Nothing happened to innocent until proven guilty.
What happened to the freedom to call BS on the grifter on the century? He has committed crimes

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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That decision was narrower than it's being made to sound. It isn't going to help Trump much without NARA on his side.

---

that's not entirely accurate either as Nara was not on Clinton side. The previous case is neither a slam dunk for the defense or something that the prosecution can wave away and dismiss.

---

Clinton wasn't a party, but to the extent that he had an interest it was aligned with NARA's. The main point was that NARA couldn't be forced to act. In this case they've chosen to act against Trump.

---

must be nice that an archivist can choose to not follow PRA but Trump cant..

It was a cover. They took privilaged files and looked at them and then said oops. They took his passport and looked at where he has been and said oops. The wrote the warrant scope wide with little parameters fishing for information.

---

The law requires different things of the archivist and the president.

---

According to you Sam, Trump has no rights. They can do what they want and it is all ok. Every t crossed and i dotted, very authoritarian. I hesitate to go to the Nazi Party route because it will be considered sensationalizing, but they did the same and we have excellent records of it because the crossed the t's and dotted the i's. Kept immaculate records of stuff they considered legal and done by the book.

That is the problem with the Espionage Act that people have been screaming about, some conservatives and some liberals, since 1917. It gives the Government almost unlimited power and is almost indefensible if the spot light is on you, if politicized it is quite the weapon.

---

Yeah, T has rights but he abused them and broke the law.

---

What charges? Come on, what has he been convicted of? What trial has Trump had that he was guilty? You just saying that does not make it real.

---

No charges and maybe none ever.

---

So, how can anyone in America say he broke and abused the law? You can not like him, you can say he is an opportunist or that he is an *******, but not what is being a felon or guilty. If he is convicted, I will be the first to say he should never be allowed to hold office again.

---

I believe Trump has committed crimes. Given what we know now, I don't believe he should be prosecuted.
He should not be president again.

---

So, back to what happened to innocent until proven guilty? I guess that doesn't exist for Trump.

---

Nothing happened to innocent until proven guilty.
What happened to the freedom to call BS on the grifter on the century? He has committed crimes

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allegedly

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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That decision was narrower than it's being made to sound. It isn't going to help Trump much without NARA on his side.

---

that's not entirely accurate either as Nara was not on Clinton side. The previous case is neither a slam dunk for the defense or something that the prosecution can wave away and dismiss.

---

Clinton wasn't a party, but to the extent that he had an interest it was aligned with NARA's. The main point was that NARA couldn't be forced to act. In this case they've chosen to act against Trump.

---

must be nice that an archivist can choose to not follow PRA but Trump cant..

It was a cover. They took privilaged files and looked at them and then said oops. They took his passport and looked at where he has been and said oops. The wrote the warrant scope wide with little parameters fishing for information.

---

The law requires different things of the archivist and the president.

---

According to you Sam, Trump has no rights. They can do what they want and it is all ok. Every t crossed and i dotted, very authoritarian. I hesitate to go to the Nazi Party route because it will be considered sensationalizing, but they did the same and we have excellent records of it because the crossed the t's and dotted the i's. Kept immaculate records of stuff they considered legal and done by the book.

That is the problem with the Espionage Act that people have been screaming about, some conservatives and some liberals, since 1917. It gives the Government almost unlimited power and is almost indefensible if the spot light is on you, if politicized it is quite the weapon.

---

Yeah, T has rights but he abused them and broke the law.

---

What charges? Come on, what has he been convicted of? What trial has Trump had that he was guilty? You just saying that does not make it real.

---

No charges and maybe none ever.

---

So, how can anyone in America say he broke and abused the law? You can not like him, you can say he is an opportunist or that he is an *******, but not what is being a felon or guilty. If he is convicted, I will be the first to say he should never be allowed to hold office again.

---

I believe Trump has committed crimes. Given what we know now, I don't believe he should be prosecuted.
He should not be president again.

---

So, back to what happened to innocent until proven guilty? I guess that doesn't exist for Trump.

---

Nothing happened to innocent until proven guilty.
What happened to the freedom to call BS on the grifter on the century? He has committed crimes

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allegedly

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Does your narrative allow citizens to say Dear Leader allegedly committed crimes?

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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That decision was narrower than it's being made to sound. It isn't going to help Trump much without NARA on his side.

---

that's not entirely accurate either as Nara was not on Clinton side. The previous case is neither a slam dunk for the defense or something that the prosecution can wave away and dismiss.

---

Clinton wasn't a party, but to the extent that he had an interest it was aligned with NARA's. The main point was that NARA couldn't be forced to act. In this case they've chosen to act against Trump.

---

must be nice that an archivist can choose to not follow PRA but Trump cant..

It was a cover. They took privilaged files and looked at them and then said oops. They took his passport and looked at where he has been and said oops. The wrote the warrant scope wide with little parameters fishing for information.

---

The law requires different things of the archivist and the president.

---

According to you Sam, Trump has no rights. They can do what they want and it is all ok. Every t crossed and i dotted, very authoritarian. I hesitate to go to the Nazi Party route because it will be considered sensationalizing, but they did the same and we have excellent records of it because the crossed the t's and dotted the i's. Kept immaculate records of stuff they considered legal and done by the book.

That is the problem with the Espionage Act that people have been screaming about, some conservatives and some liberals, since 1917. It gives the Government almost unlimited power and is almost indefensible if the spot light is on you, if politicized it is quite the weapon.

---

Yeah, T has rights but he abused them and broke the law.

---

What charges? Come on, what has he been convicted of? What trial has Trump had that he was guilty? You just saying that does not make it real.

---

No charges and maybe none ever.

---

So, how can anyone in America say he broke and abused the law? You can not like him, you can say he is an opportunist or that he is an *******, but not what is being a felon or guilty. If he is convicted, I will be the first to say he should never be allowed to hold office again.

---

I believe Trump has committed crimes. Given what we know now, I don't believe he should be prosecuted.
He should not be president again.

---

So, back to what happened to innocent until proven guilty? I guess that doesn't exist for Trump.

---

Nothing happened to innocent until proven guilty.
What happened to the freedom to call BS on the grifter on the century? He has committed crimes

---

allegedly

---

Does your narrative allow citizens to say Dear Leader allegedly committed crimes?

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of course it does, i just said that..

Until proven and convicted, its alledged. The rest is sour grapes and your opinion. Your opinion is just that..

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oso: "your blind allegiance to the Dear Leader is just your opinion."


Serious question, Oso.

Who on this board has defended Trump on principle, that you do not consider them some kind of cultist?

Just wondering if you can consider a Trump defender a reasonable person at all.

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oso: "your blind allegiance to the Dear Leader is just your opinion."


Serious question, Oso.

Who on this board has defended Trump on principle, that you do not consider them some kind of cultist?

Just wondering if you can consider a Trump defender a reasonable person at all.

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Yes

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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That decision was narrower than it's being made to sound. It isn't going to help Trump much without NARA on his side.

---

that's not entirely accurate either as Nara was not on Clinton side. The previous case is neither a slam dunk for the defense or something that the prosecution can wave away and dismiss.

---

Clinton wasn't a party, but to the extent that he had an interest it was aligned with NARA's. The main point was that NARA couldn't be forced to act. In this case they've chosen to act against Trump.

---

must be nice that an archivist can choose to not follow PRA but Trump cant..

It was a cover. They took privilaged files and looked at them and then said oops. They took his passport and looked at where he has been and said oops. The wrote the warrant scope wide with little parameters fishing for information.

---

The law requires different things of the archivist and the president.

---

According to you Sam, Trump has no rights. They can do what they want and it is all ok. Every t crossed and i dotted, very authoritarian. I hesitate to go to the Nazi Party route because it will be considered sensationalizing, but they did the same and we have excellent records of it because the crossed the t's and dotted the i's. Kept immaculate records of stuff they considered legal and done by the book.

That is the problem with the Espionage Act that people have been screaming about, some conservatives and some liberals, since 1917. It gives the Government almost unlimited power and is almost indefensible if the spot light is on you, if politicized it is quite the weapon.

---

Yeah, T has rights but he abused them and broke the law.

---

What charges? Come on, what has he been convicted of? What trial has Trump had that he was guilty? You just saying that does not make it real.

---

No charges and maybe none ever.

---

So, how can anyone in America say he broke and abused the law? You can not like him, you can say he is an opportunist or that he is an *******, but not what is being a felon or guilty. If he is convicted, I will be the first to say he should never be allowed to hold office again.

---

I believe Trump has committed crimes. Given what we know now, I don't believe he should be prosecuted.
He should not be president again.

---

So, back to what happened to innocent until proven guilty? I guess that doesn't exist for Trump.

---

Nothing happened to innocent until proven guilty.
What happened to the freedom to call BS on the grifter on the century? He has committed crimes

---

allegedly

---

Does your narrative allow citizens to say Dear Leader allegedly committed crimes?

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of course it does, i just said that..

Until proven and convicted, its alledged. The rest is sour grapes and your opinion. Your opinion is just that..

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That's fair. And your blind allegiance to the Dear Leaderis just your opinion.

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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That decision was narrower than it's being made to sound. It isn't going to help Trump much without NARA on his side.

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that's not entirely accurate either as Nara was not on Clinton side. The previous case is neither a slam dunk for the defense or something that the prosecution can wave away and dismiss.

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Clinton wasn't a party, but to the extent that he had an interest it was aligned with NARA's. The main point was that NARA couldn't be forced to act. In this case they've chosen to act against Trump.

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must be nice that an archivist can choose to not follow PRA but Trump cant..

It was a cover. They took privilaged files and looked at them and then said oops. They took his passport and looked at where he has been and said oops. The wrote the warrant scope wide with little parameters fishing for information.

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The law requires different things of the archivist and the president.

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According to you Sam, Trump has no rights. They can do what they want and it is all ok. Every t crossed and i dotted, very authoritarian. I hesitate to go to the Nazi Party route because it will be considered sensationalizing, but they did the same and we have excellent records of it because the crossed the t's and dotted the i's. Kept immaculate records of stuff they considered legal and done by the book.

That is the problem with the Espionage Act that people have been screaming about, some conservatives and some liberals, since 1917. It gives the Government almost unlimited power and is almost indefensible if the spot light is on you, if politicized it is quite the weapon.

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Yeah, T has rights but he abused them and broke the law.

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What charges? Come on, what has he been convicted of? What trial has Trump had that he was guilty? You just saying that does not make it real.

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No charges and maybe none ever.

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So, how can anyone in America say he broke and abused the law? You can not like him, you can say he is an opportunist or that he is an *******, but not what is being a felon or guilty. If he is convicted, I will be the first to say he should never be allowed to hold office again.

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I believe Trump has committed crimes. Given what we know now, I don't believe he should be prosecuted.
He should not be president again.

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So, back to what happened to innocent until proven guilty? I guess that doesn't exist for Trump.

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Nothing happened to innocent until proven guilty.
What happened to the freedom to call BS on the grifter on the century? He has committed crimes

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allegedly

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Does your narrative allow citizens to say Dear Leader allegedly committed crimes?

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of course it does, i just said that..

Until proven and convicted, its alledged. The rest is sour grapes and your opinion. Your opinion is just that..

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That's fair. And your blind allegiance to the Dear Leaderis just your opinion.

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see, another opinion by you. True
Your belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof. True, nor does yours

Blind allegiance to a person or cause would not be an opinion. Blind allegiance is basically a cultist mentality. True
While there are some out there that might fit this label, i highly doubt I do.. Maybe. You defend your Leader at every opportunity regardless

If you think that is me, you should read more and maybe post less..I have
if you need further help, i am here for you(not really! Get a therapist) Thanks

Lock him up, i will just poke fun at the next thing that gets yall all riled up..

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oso: "your blind allegiance to the Dear Leader is just your opinion."


Serious question, Oso.

Who on this board has defended Trump on principle, that you do not consider them some kind of cultist?

Just wondering if you can consider a Trump defender a reasonable person at all.

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Yes

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I asked who, please. I honestly don't see you giving anyone that courtesy.

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