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KaiBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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"Do you know that that you are white, USA born, and those simple facts make a difference in your world outlook?"

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Self loathing is a habit you CAN remedy .

But not by hating on millions of others.

Listen to family members who care about you.

Get some help.

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get some truth

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Get some self awarness ....then get some counseling.

Spending your life hating millions of people for the color of their skin is no way to live.

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You cannot for the lifeof see that your perspective on life is shaped by the color of your skin. That is very sad. You live in an isolated world.

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You are one racist little puppy.

Have you always been racist or is this a recent acquisition ?

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Wonder what he would say about this right wing radical?

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as a nation, we were well on our way towards that dream until the klanocrats policies started destroying the black family and Planned Parenthood built most of their killing centers in the black neighborhoods.

Sanger47!!!

Mayo Clinic study found the “increase in death rates among people who never attend religious services compared with those who attend several times a week is comparable to that associated with smoking a pack of cigarettes a day.” @WSJ https://t.co/RjOBTQTMbn @garyrosenWSJ

— Brad Wilcox (@BradWilcoxIFS) June 10, 2023

Oldbear83 said:

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You sir, are a white lab coat cultist and a Reality denier.

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Hmmm, reality denier? Lab coat believes in testing and empirical evidence to know reality. Vestment Old Bear believes in supernatural mysticism to know reality. I think I'll rely on lab coats to affirm reality.

TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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You sir, are a white lab coat cultist and a Reality denier.

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Hmmm, reality denier? Lab coat believes in testing and empirical evidence to know reality. Vestment Old Bear believes in supernatural mysticism to know reality. I think I'll rely on lab coats to affirm reality.

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Yes, you may well be a reality denier, TS. People who judge validity by whether a lab coat was involved often are blind to Reality.

Unlike you, TS, I use multiple sources whenever possible to verify claims. That and a bit of common sense, but I hesitate to mention that since your common sense was apparently lost long ago in some kind of accident.

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:
But pretending Sin is not the problem is a fatal mistake.

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Quash:
LOL.


I see you are channeling your inner Satan again, Quash.

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Nope. I don't believe in your made up friend. Nor his made up an enemy.

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Your logic fails in a manner similar to the grammar in your last post.

But to the point, quash. Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Make believe does not exist. No gods, no devils. You'll have to find a new way to deal with evil.

Maybe stop seeing it everywhere except under your nose.

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Well gosh, your opinion somehow fails to prove anything.

And I notice you didn't answer the questions, so once again:

Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Define evil and I'll be glad to answer. I've already seen one definition that relies on superstition so that one is right out.

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Still ducking, I see.

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Can't have a real discussion without defining terms. You can define evil and I'll discuss it with you.

Or you can continue the path of "the accusation is the admission".

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So nothing strikes you as a good act or an evil act?

Well, let's get help from Merriam-Webster, shall we?

"evil adjective (-vl )
British often and US sometimes -()vil

1a : morally reprehensible : SINFUL, WICKED
an evil impulse

1b : arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct
a person of evil reputation

2a archaic : INFERIOR
2b : causing discomfort or repulsion : OFFENSIVE
an evil odor
2c: DISAGREEABLE
woke late and in an evil temper


3a : causing harm : PERNICIOUS
the evil institution of slavery

3b: marked by misfortune : UNLUCKY"


So, how about definitions 1a and 3a.

Do you agree evil exists as so defined?

Now let's look at good:

"good adjective (gud )

1a(1) : of a favorable character or tendency
good news

(2): BOUNTIFUL, FERTILE
good land

(3): HANDSOME, ATTRACTIVE
good looks

b(1): SUITABLE, FIT
good to eat

(2): free from injury or disease
one good arm

(3): not depreciated
bad money drives out good

(4): commercially sound
a good risk

(5): that can be relied on
good for another year

(6): PROFITABLE, ADVANTAGEOUS
made a very good deal

c(1): AGREEABLE, PLEASANT
had a good time

(2): SALUTARY, WHOLESOME
good for a cold

(3): AMUSING, CLEVER
a good joke

d(1): of a noticeably large size or quantity : CONSIDERABLE
won by a good margin

(2): FULL
waited a good hour

(3) used as a word that gives force or emphasis to a statement
a good many of us

e(1) : WELL-FOUNDED, COGENT
good reasons

(2): TRUE
holds good for society at large

(3): deserving of respect : HONORABLE
in good standing

(4): legally valid or effectual
good title

f(1): ADEQUATE, SATISFACTORY
good care

(2): conforming to a standard
good English

(3): liking only things that are of good quality : CHOICE, DISCRIMINATING
good taste

(4): containing less fat and being less tender than higher grades
used of meat and especially of beef
g sports
(1)of a serve or shot : landing in the proper area of the court in tennis and similar games
The serve was good.

(2)of a shot or kick : successfully done
(basketball) The first foul shot was good but she missed the second one.

(American football) The kick was good from 45 yards.

The kick was no good. [=was missed]

2a(1): VIRTUOUS, RIGHT, COMMENDABLE
a good person

good conduct

(2): KIND, BENEVOLENT
good intentions

b: UPPER-CLASS
a good family

c: COMPETENT, SKILLFUL
a good doctor

d(1): LOYAL
a good party man

a good Catholic

(2): CLOSE
a good friend

e: free from infirmity or sorrow
I feel good"


Here I would submit definition 2a(1), a virtuous or commendable quality.

Now with those definitions, do you agree or deny the existence of evil and good?

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3a for evil

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Shall I take it that you believe in the existence of Good and Evil by the stated definitions?

(if this gets any more bureaucratic, we'll have to have it notarized in blue ink, in triplicate)

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Like I said, 3a for evil. I thought that made it clear that I was not adopting the rest.

KaiBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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"Do you know that that you are white, USA born, and those simple facts make a difference in your world outlook?"

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Self loathing is a habit you CAN remedy .

But not by hating on millions of others.

Listen to family members who care about you.

Get some help.

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get some truth

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Get some self awarness ....then get some counseling.

Spending your life hating millions of people for the color of their skin is no way to live.

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You cannot for the life of see that your perspective on life is shaped by the color of your skin. That is very sad. You live in an isolated world.

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You are one racist little puppy.

Have you always been racist or is this a recent acquisition ?

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"Do you know that that you are white, USA born, and those simple facts make a difference in your world outlook?" Still waiting for your answer

https://t.co/rPYrzHT1Di pic.twitter.com/q1JcLpsKEk

— Stone tossers (@Stone_tossers) June 10, 2023

Waco1947 said:

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KaiBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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"Do you know that that you are white, USA born, and those simple facts make a difference in your world outlook?"

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Self loathing is a habit you CAN remedy .

But not by hating on millions of others.

Listen to family members who care about you.

Get some help.

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get some truth

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Get some self awarness ....then get some counseling.

Spending your life hating millions of people for the color of their skin is no way to live.

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You cannot for the life of see that your perspective on life is shaped by the color of your skin. That is very sad. You live in an isolated world.

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You are one racist little puppy.

Have you always been racist or is this a recent acquisition ?

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"Do you know that that you are white, USA born, and those simple facts make a difference in your world outlook?" Still waiting for your answer

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Have you always been a racist or is this a recent change due to a painful loss of a loved one or some other personal event ?

Still waiting for your answer .

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:
But pretending Sin is not the problem is a fatal mistake.

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Quash:
LOL.


I see you are channeling your inner Satan again, Quash.

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Nope. I don't believe in your made up friend. Nor his made up an enemy.

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Your logic fails in a manner similar to the grammar in your last post.

But to the point, quash. Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Make believe does not exist. No gods, no devils. You'll have to find a new way to deal with evil.

Maybe stop seeing it everywhere except under your nose.

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Well gosh, your opinion somehow fails to prove anything.

And I notice you didn't answer the questions, so once again:

Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Define evil and I'll be glad to answer. I've already seen one definition that relies on superstition so that one is right out.

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Still ducking, I see.

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Can't have a real discussion without defining terms. You can define evil and I'll discuss it with you.

Or you can continue the path of "the accusation is the admission".

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So nothing strikes you as a good act or an evil act?

Well, let's get help from Merriam-Webster, shall we?

"evil adjective (-vl )
British often and US sometimes -()vil

1a : morally reprehensible : SINFUL, WICKED
an evil impulse

1b : arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct
a person of evil reputation

2a archaic : INFERIOR
2b : causing discomfort or repulsion : OFFENSIVE
an evil odor
2c: DISAGREEABLE
woke late and in an evil temper


3a : causing harm : PERNICIOUS
the evil institution of slavery

3b: marked by misfortune : UNLUCKY"


So, how about definitions 1a and 3a.

Do you agree evil exists as so defined?

Now let's look at good:

"good adjective (gud )

1a(1) : of a favorable character or tendency
good news

(2): BOUNTIFUL, FERTILE
good land

(3): HANDSOME, ATTRACTIVE
good looks

b(1): SUITABLE, FIT
good to eat

(2): free from injury or disease
one good arm

(3): not depreciated
bad money drives out good

(4): commercially sound
a good risk

(5): that can be relied on
good for another year

(6): PROFITABLE, ADVANTAGEOUS
made a very good deal

c(1): AGREEABLE, PLEASANT
had a good time

(2): SALUTARY, WHOLESOME
good for a cold

(3): AMUSING, CLEVER
a good joke

d(1): of a noticeably large size or quantity : CONSIDERABLE
won by a good margin

(2): FULL
waited a good hour

(3) used as a word that gives force or emphasis to a statement
a good many of us

e(1) : WELL-FOUNDED, COGENT
good reasons

(2): TRUE
holds good for society at large

(3): deserving of respect : HONORABLE
in good standing

(4): legally valid or effectual
good title

f(1): ADEQUATE, SATISFACTORY
good care

(2): conforming to a standard
good English

(3): liking only things that are of good quality : CHOICE, DISCRIMINATING
good taste

(4): containing less fat and being less tender than higher grades
used of meat and especially of beef
g sports
(1)of a serve or shot : landing in the proper area of the court in tennis and similar games
The serve was good.

(2)of a shot or kick : successfully done
(basketball) The first foul shot was good but she missed the second one.

(American football) The kick was good from 45 yards.

The kick was no good. [=was missed]

2a(1): VIRTUOUS, RIGHT, COMMENDABLE
a good person

good conduct

(2): KIND, BENEVOLENT
good intentions

b: UPPER-CLASS
a good family

c: COMPETENT, SKILLFUL
a good doctor

d(1): LOYAL
a good party man

a good Catholic

(2): CLOSE
a good friend

e: free from infirmity or sorrow
I feel good"


Here I would submit definition 2a(1), a virtuous or commendable quality.

Now with those definitions, do you agree or deny the existence of evil and good?

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3a for evil

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Shall I take it that you believe in the existence of Good and Evil by the stated definitions?

(if this gets any more bureaucratic, we'll have to have it notarized in blue ink, in triplicate)

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Like I said, 3a for evil. I thought that made it clear that I was not adopting the rest.

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So you do not believe Good exists at all?

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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You sir, are a white lab coat cultist and a Reality denier.

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Hmmm, reality denier? Lab coat believes in testing and empirical evidence to know reality. Vestment Old Bear believes in supernatural mysticism to know reality. I think I'll rely on lab coats to affirm reality.

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Yes, you may well be a reality denier, TS. People who judge validity by whether a lab coat was involved often are blind to Reality.

Unlike you, TS, I use multiple sources whenever possible to verify claims. That and a bit of common sense, but I hesitate to mention that since your common sense was apparently lost long ago in some kind of accident.

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I'll rely on the evidence of reality, over religious fantasy for reality.

You mean like the common sense that tells you the sun orbits the earth, and multiple sources in your echo chamber?

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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You sir, are a white lab coat cultist and a Reality denier.

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Hmmm, reality denier? Lab coat believes in testing and empirical evidence to know reality. Vestment Old Bear believes in supernatural mysticism to know reality. I think I'll rely on lab coats to affirm reality.

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Yes, you may well be a reality denier, TS. People who judge validity by whether a lab coat was involved often are blind to Reality.

Unlike you, TS, I use multiple sources whenever possible to verify claims. That and a bit of common sense, but I hesitate to mention that since your common sense was apparently lost long ago in some kind of accident.

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I'll rely on the evidence of reality, over religious fantasy for reality.

You mean like the common sense that tells you the sun orbits the earth, and multiple sources in your echo chamber?

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…or the science of directed panspermia?

Use that one TS or was that theories creator some rookie, know-nothing scientists?

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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You sir, are a white lab coat cultist and a Reality denier.

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Hmmm, reality denier? Lab coat believes in testing and empirical evidence to know reality. Vestment Old Bear believes in supernatural mysticism to know reality. I think I'll rely on lab coats to affirm reality.

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Yes, you may well be a reality denier, TS. People who judge validity by whether a lab coat was involved often are blind to Reality.

Unlike you, TS, I use multiple sources whenever possible to verify claims. That and a bit of common sense, but I hesitate to mention that since your common sense was apparently lost long ago in some kind of accident.

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I'll rely on the evidence of reality, over religious fantasy for reality.

You mean like the common sense that tells you the sun orbits the earth, and multiple sources in your echo chamber?

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True

TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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You sir, are a white lab coat cultist and a Reality denier.

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Hmmm, reality denier? Lab coat believes in testing and empirical evidence to know reality. Vestment Old Bear believes in supernatural mysticism to know reality. I think I'll rely on lab coats to affirm reality.

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Yes, you may well be a reality denier, TS. People who judge validity by whether a lab coat was involved often are blind to Reality.

Unlike you, TS, I use multiple sources whenever possible to verify claims. That and a bit of common sense, but I hesitate to mention that since your common sense was apparently lost long ago in some kind of accident.

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I'll rely on the evidence of reality, over religious fantasy for reality.

You mean like the common sense that tells you the sun orbits the earth, and multiple sources in your echo chamber?

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You have all the traits of the cultist, TS.

Including the visceral hatred of knowing someone else is free to think.

Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oldbear83 said:
But pretending Sin is not the problem is a fatal mistake.

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Quash:
LOL.


I see you are channeling your inner Satan again, Quash.

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Nope. I don't believe in your made up friend. Nor his made up an enemy.

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Your logic fails in a manner similar to the grammar in your last post.

But to the point, quash. Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

---

Make believe does not exist. No gods, no devils. You'll have to find a new way to deal with evil.

Maybe stop seeing it everywhere except under your nose.

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Well gosh, your opinion somehow fails to prove anything.

And I notice you didn't answer the questions, so once again:

Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Define evil and I'll be glad to answer. I've already seen one definition that relies on superstition so that one is right out.

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Still ducking, I see.

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Can't have a real discussion without defining terms. You can define evil and I'll discuss it with you.

Or you can continue the path of "the accusation is the admission".

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So nothing strikes you as a good act or an evil act?

Well, let's get help from Merriam-Webster, shall we?

"evil adjective (-vl )
British often and US sometimes -()vil

1a : morally reprehensible : SINFUL, WICKED
an evil impulse

1b : arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct
a person of evil reputation

2a archaic : INFERIOR
2b : causing discomfort or repulsion : OFFENSIVE
an evil odor
2c: DISAGREEABLE
woke late and in an evil temper


3a : causing harm : PERNICIOUS
the evil institution of slavery

3b: marked by misfortune : UNLUCKY"


So, how about definitions 1a and 3a.

Do you agree evil exists as so defined?

Now let's look at good:

"good adjective (gud )

1a(1) : of a favorable character or tendency
good news

(2): BOUNTIFUL, FERTILE
good land

(3): HANDSOME, ATTRACTIVE
good looks

b(1): SUITABLE, FIT
good to eat

(2): free from injury or disease
one good arm

(3): not depreciated
bad money drives out good

(4): commercially sound
a good risk

(5): that can be relied on
good for another year

(6): PROFITABLE, ADVANTAGEOUS
made a very good deal

c(1): AGREEABLE, PLEASANT
had a good time

(2): SALUTARY, WHOLESOME
good for a cold

(3): AMUSING, CLEVER
a good joke

d(1): of a noticeably large size or quantity : CONSIDERABLE
won by a good margin

(2): FULL
waited a good hour

(3) used as a word that gives force or emphasis to a statement
a good many of us

e(1) : WELL-FOUNDED, COGENT
good reasons

(2): TRUE
holds good for society at large

(3): deserving of respect : HONORABLE
in good standing

(4): legally valid or effectual
good title

f(1): ADEQUATE, SATISFACTORY
good care

(2): conforming to a standard
good English

(3): liking only things that are of good quality : CHOICE, DISCRIMINATING
good taste

(4): containing less fat and being less tender than higher grades
used of meat and especially of beef
g sports
(1)of a serve or shot : landing in the proper area of the court in tennis and similar games
The serve was good.

(2)of a shot or kick : successfully done
(basketball) The first foul shot was good but she missed the second one.

(American football) The kick was good from 45 yards.

The kick was no good. [=was missed]

2a(1): VIRTUOUS, RIGHT, COMMENDABLE
a good person

good conduct

(2): KIND, BENEVOLENT
good intentions

b: UPPER-CLASS
a good family

c: COMPETENT, SKILLFUL
a good doctor

d(1): LOYAL
a good party man

a good Catholic

(2): CLOSE
a good friend

e: free from infirmity or sorrow
I feel good"


Here I would submit definition 2a(1), a virtuous or commendable quality.

Now with those definitions, do you agree or deny the existence of evil and good?

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3a for evil

---

Shall I take it that you believe in the existence of Good and Evil by the stated definitions?

(if this gets any more bureaucratic, we'll have to have it notarized in blue ink, in triplicate)

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Like I said, 3a for evil. I thought that made it clear that I was not adopting the rest.

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So you do not believe Good exists at all?

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Why do you capitalize it?

quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Quote:

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Oldbear83 said:
But pretending Sin is not the problem is a fatal mistake.

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Quash:
LOL.


I see you are channeling your inner Satan again, Quash.

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Nope. I don't believe in your made up friend. Nor his made up an enemy.

---

Your logic fails in a manner similar to the grammar in your last post.

But to the point, quash. Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

---

Make believe does not exist. No gods, no devils. You'll have to find a new way to deal with evil.

Maybe stop seeing it everywhere except under your nose.

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Well gosh, your opinion somehow fails to prove anything.

And I notice you didn't answer the questions, so once again:

Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Define evil and I'll be glad to answer. I've already seen one definition that relies on superstition so that one is right out.

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Still ducking, I see.

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Can't have a real discussion without defining terms. You can define evil and I'll discuss it with you.

Or you can continue the path of "the accusation is the admission".

---

So nothing strikes you as a good act or an evil act?

Well, let's get help from Merriam-Webster, shall we?

"evil adjective (-vl )
British often and US sometimes -()vil

1a : morally reprehensible : SINFUL, WICKED
an evil impulse

1b : arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct
a person of evil reputation

2a archaic : INFERIOR
2b : causing discomfort or repulsion : OFFENSIVE
an evil odor
2c: DISAGREEABLE
woke late and in an evil temper


3a : causing harm : PERNICIOUS
the evil institution of slavery

3b: marked by misfortune : UNLUCKY"


So, how about definitions 1a and 3a.

Do you agree evil exists as so defined?

Now let's look at good:

"good adjective (gud )

1a(1) : of a favorable character or tendency
good news

(2): BOUNTIFUL, FERTILE
good land

(3): HANDSOME, ATTRACTIVE
good looks

b(1): SUITABLE, FIT
good to eat

(2): free from injury or disease
one good arm

(3): not depreciated
bad money drives out good

(4): commercially sound
a good risk

(5): that can be relied on
good for another year

(6): PROFITABLE, ADVANTAGEOUS
made a very good deal

c(1): AGREEABLE, PLEASANT
had a good time

(2): SALUTARY, WHOLESOME
good for a cold

(3): AMUSING, CLEVER
a good joke

d(1): of a noticeably large size or quantity : CONSIDERABLE
won by a good margin

(2): FULL
waited a good hour

(3) used as a word that gives force or emphasis to a statement
a good many of us

e(1) : WELL-FOUNDED, COGENT
good reasons

(2): TRUE
holds good for society at large

(3): deserving of respect : HONORABLE
in good standing

(4): legally valid or effectual
good title

f(1): ADEQUATE, SATISFACTORY
good care

(2): conforming to a standard
good English

(3): liking only things that are of good quality : CHOICE, DISCRIMINATING
good taste

(4): containing less fat and being less tender than higher grades
used of meat and especially of beef
g sports
(1)of a serve or shot : landing in the proper area of the court in tennis and similar games
The serve was good.

(2)of a shot or kick : successfully done
(basketball) The first foul shot was good but she missed the second one.

(American football) The kick was good from 45 yards.

The kick was no good. [=was missed]

2a(1): VIRTUOUS, RIGHT, COMMENDABLE
a good person

good conduct

(2): KIND, BENEVOLENT
good intentions

b: UPPER-CLASS
a good family

c: COMPETENT, SKILLFUL
a good doctor

d(1): LOYAL
a good party man

a good Catholic

(2): CLOSE
a good friend

e: free from infirmity or sorrow
I feel good"


Here I would submit definition 2a(1), a virtuous or commendable quality.

Now with those definitions, do you agree or deny the existence of evil and good?

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3a for evil

---

Shall I take it that you believe in the existence of Good and Evil by the stated definitions?

(if this gets any more bureaucratic, we'll have to have it notarized in blue ink, in triplicate)

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Like I said, 3a for evil. I thought that made it clear that I was not adopting the rest.

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So you do not believe Good exists at all?

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Why do you capitalize it?

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Does it bother you that I do?

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But pretending Sin is not the problem is a fatal mistake.

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Quash:
LOL.


I see you are channeling your inner Satan again, Quash.

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Nope. I don't believe in your made up friend. Nor his made up an enemy.

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Your logic fails in a manner similar to the grammar in your last post.

But to the point, quash. Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Make believe does not exist. No gods, no devils. You'll have to find a new way to deal with evil.

Maybe stop seeing it everywhere except under your nose.

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Well gosh, your opinion somehow fails to prove anything.

And I notice you didn't answer the questions, so once again:

Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Define evil and I'll be glad to answer. I've already seen one definition that relies on superstition so that one is right out.

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Still ducking, I see.

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Can't have a real discussion without defining terms. You can define evil and I'll discuss it with you.

Or you can continue the path of "the accusation is the admission".

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So nothing strikes you as a good act or an evil act?

Well, let's get help from Merriam-Webster, shall we?

"evil adjective (-vl )
British often and US sometimes -()vil

1a : morally reprehensible : SINFUL, WICKED
an evil impulse

1b : arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct
a person of evil reputation

2a archaic : INFERIOR
2b : causing discomfort or repulsion : OFFENSIVE
an evil odor
2c: DISAGREEABLE
woke late and in an evil temper


3a : causing harm : PERNICIOUS
the evil institution of slavery

3b: marked by misfortune : UNLUCKY"


So, how about definitions 1a and 3a.

Do you agree evil exists as so defined?

Now let's look at good:

"good adjective (gud )

1a(1) : of a favorable character or tendency
good news

(2): BOUNTIFUL, FERTILE
good land

(3): HANDSOME, ATTRACTIVE
good looks

b(1): SUITABLE, FIT
good to eat

(2): free from injury or disease
one good arm

(3): not depreciated
bad money drives out good

(4): commercially sound
a good risk

(5): that can be relied on
good for another year

(6): PROFITABLE, ADVANTAGEOUS
made a very good deal

c(1): AGREEABLE, PLEASANT
had a good time

(2): SALUTARY, WHOLESOME
good for a cold

(3): AMUSING, CLEVER
a good joke

d(1): of a noticeably large size or quantity : CONSIDERABLE
won by a good margin

(2): FULL
waited a good hour

(3) used as a word that gives force or emphasis to a statement
a good many of us

e(1) : WELL-FOUNDED, COGENT
good reasons

(2): TRUE
holds good for society at large

(3): deserving of respect : HONORABLE
in good standing

(4): legally valid or effectual
good title

f(1): ADEQUATE, SATISFACTORY
good care

(2): conforming to a standard
good English

(3): liking only things that are of good quality : CHOICE, DISCRIMINATING
good taste

(4): containing less fat and being less tender than higher grades
used of meat and especially of beef
g sports
(1)of a serve or shot : landing in the proper area of the court in tennis and similar games
The serve was good.

(2)of a shot or kick : successfully done
(basketball) The first foul shot was good but she missed the second one.

(American football) The kick was good from 45 yards.

The kick was no good. [=was missed]

2a(1): VIRTUOUS, RIGHT, COMMENDABLE
a good person

good conduct

(2): KIND, BENEVOLENT
good intentions

b: UPPER-CLASS
a good family

c: COMPETENT, SKILLFUL
a good doctor

d(1): LOYAL
a good party man

a good Catholic

(2): CLOSE
a good friend

e: free from infirmity or sorrow
I feel good"


Here I would submit definition 2a(1), a virtuous or commendable quality.

Now with those definitions, do you agree or deny the existence of evil and good?

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3a for evil

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Shall I take it that you believe in the existence of Good and Evil by the stated definitions?

(if this gets any more bureaucratic, we'll have to have it notarized in blue ink, in triplicate)

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Like I said, 3a for evil. I thought that made it clear that I was not adopting the rest.

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So you do not believe Good exists at all?

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Why do you capitalize it?

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Does it bother you that I do?

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Not in the least. Can you just answer the question?

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quash said:

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quash said:

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quash said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oldbear83 said:
But pretending Sin is not the problem is a fatal mistake.

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Quash:
LOL.


I see you are channeling your inner Satan again, Quash.

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Nope. I don't believe in your made up friend. Nor his made up an enemy.

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Your logic fails in a manner similar to the grammar in your last post.

But to the point, quash. Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Make believe does not exist. No gods, no devils. You'll have to find a new way to deal with evil.

Maybe stop seeing it everywhere except under your nose.

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Well gosh, your opinion somehow fails to prove anything.

And I notice you didn't answer the questions, so once again:

Do you contend that evil does not exist? That good is not real?

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Define evil and I'll be glad to answer. I've already seen one definition that relies on superstition so that one is right out.

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Still ducking, I see.

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Can't have a real discussion without defining terms. You can define evil and I'll discuss it with you.

Or you can continue the path of "the accusation is the admission".

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So nothing strikes you as a good act or an evil act?

Well, let's get help from Merriam-Webster, shall we?

"evil adjective (-vl )
British often and US sometimes -()vil

1a : morally reprehensible : SINFUL, WICKED
an evil impulse

1b : arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct
a person of evil reputation

2a archaic : INFERIOR
2b : causing discomfort or repulsion : OFFENSIVE
an evil odor
2c: DISAGREEABLE
woke late and in an evil temper


3a : causing harm : PERNICIOUS
the evil institution of slavery

3b: marked by misfortune : UNLUCKY"


So, how about definitions 1a and 3a.

Do you agree evil exists as so defined?

Now let's look at good:

"good adjective (gud )

1a(1) : of a favorable character or tendency
good news

(2): BOUNTIFUL, FERTILE
good land

(3): HANDSOME, ATTRACTIVE
good looks

b(1): SUITABLE, FIT
good to eat

(2): free from injury or disease
one good arm

(3): not depreciated
bad money drives out good

(4): commercially sound
a good risk

(5): that can be relied on
good for another year

(6): PROFITABLE, ADVANTAGEOUS
made a very good deal

c(1): AGREEABLE, PLEASANT
had a good time

(2): SALUTARY, WHOLESOME
good for a cold

(3): AMUSING, CLEVER
a good joke

d(1): of a noticeably large size or quantity : CONSIDERABLE
won by a good margin

(2): FULL
waited a good hour

(3) used as a word that gives force or emphasis to a statement
a good many of us

e(1) : WELL-FOUNDED, COGENT
good reasons

(2): TRUE
holds good for society at large

(3): deserving of respect : HONORABLE
in good standing

(4): legally valid or effectual
good title

f(1): ADEQUATE, SATISFACTORY
good care

(2): conforming to a standard
good English

(3): liking only things that are of good quality : CHOICE, DISCRIMINATING
good taste

(4): containing less fat and being less tender than higher grades
used of meat and especially of beef
g sports
(1)of a serve or shot : landing in the proper area of the court in tennis and similar games
The serve was good.

(2)of a shot or kick : successfully done
(basketball) The first foul shot was good but she missed the second one.

(American football) The kick was good from 45 yards.

The kick was no good. [=was missed]

2a(1): VIRTUOUS, RIGHT, COMMENDABLE
a good person

good conduct

(2): KIND, BENEVOLENT
good intentions

b: UPPER-CLASS
a good family

c: COMPETENT, SKILLFUL
a good doctor

d(1): LOYAL
a good party man

a good Catholic

(2): CLOSE
a good friend

e: free from infirmity or sorrow
I feel good"


Here I would submit definition 2a(1), a virtuous or commendable quality.

Now with those definitions, do you agree or deny the existence of evil and good?

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3a for evil

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Shall I take it that you believe in the existence of Good and Evil by the stated definitions?

(if this gets any more bureaucratic, we'll have to have it notarized in blue ink, in triplicate)

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Like I said, 3a for evil. I thought that made it clear that I was not adopting the rest.

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So you do not believe Good exists at all?

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Why do you capitalize it?

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Does it bother you that I do?

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Not in the least. Can you just answer the question?

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I wish you would do so. You asked for definitions, I literally quoted the dictionary and you won't accept that.

Naturally I want to understand if that means you have your own definition of good or Good, or just reject the concept.

Therefore, the ball is still in your court.

alot of people - esp here on BFans - have begun - in recent years - to revere - not necesarily worship - da'al.

- el KKM

{ sipping coffee }

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alot of people - esp here on BFans - have begun - in recent years - to revere - not necesarily worship - da'al.

- el KKM

{ sipping coffee }

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Da'al?

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alot of people - esp here on BFans - have begun - in recent years - to revere - not necesarily worship - da'al.

- el KKM

{ sipping coffee }

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Da'al?

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Ba'al's less-infamous brother, patron of used car salesmen and telemarketers.

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alot of people - esp here on BFans - have begun - in recent years - to revere - not necesarily worship - da'al.

- el KKM

{ sipping coffee }

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Da'al?

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dale.

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Sam Lowry said:

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william said:

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alot of people - esp here on BFans - have begun - in recent years - to revere - not necesarily worship - da'al.

- el KKM

{ sipping coffee }

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Da'al?

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dale.

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LOL...of course.

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You sir, are a white lab coat cultist and a Reality denier.

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Hmmm, reality denier? Lab coat believes in testing and empirical evidence to know reality. Vestment Old Bear believes in supernatural mysticism to know reality. I think I'll rely on lab coats to affirm reality.

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Yes, you may well be a reality denier, TS. People who judge validity by whether a lab coat was involved often are blind to Reality.

Unlike you, TS, I use multiple sources whenever possible to verify claims. That and a bit of common sense, but I hesitate to mention that since your common sense was apparently lost long ago in some kind of accident.

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I'll rely on the evidence of reality, over religious fantasy for reality.

You mean like the common sense that tells you the sun orbits the earth, and multiple sources in your echo chamber?

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You have all the traits of the cultist, TS.

Including the visceral hatred of knowing someone else is free to think.

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You really made me laugh. Religious groups are what define cults. Religion tells you what to think. I suggest you rethink those thoughts. LOL.

TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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You sir, are a white lab coat cultist and a Reality denier.

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Hmmm, reality denier? Lab coat believes in testing and empirical evidence to know reality. Vestment Old Bear believes in supernatural mysticism to know reality. I think I'll rely on lab coats to affirm reality.

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Yes, you may well be a reality denier, TS. People who judge validity by whether a lab coat was involved often are blind to Reality.

Unlike you, TS, I use multiple sources whenever possible to verify claims. That and a bit of common sense, but I hesitate to mention that since your common sense was apparently lost long ago in some kind of accident.

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I'll rely on the evidence of reality, over religious fantasy for reality.

You mean like the common sense that tells you the sun orbits the earth, and multiple sources in your echo chamber?

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Would you be kind enough to review the evidence for the multiverse or maybe directed panspermia?

TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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You sir, are a white lab coat cultist and a Reality denier.

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Hmmm, reality denier? Lab coat believes in testing and empirical evidence to know reality. Vestment Old Bear believes in supernatural mysticism to know reality. I think I'll rely on lab coats to affirm reality.

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Yes, you may well be a reality denier, TS. People who judge validity by whether a lab coat was involved often are blind to Reality.

Unlike you, TS, I use multiple sources whenever possible to verify claims. That and a bit of common sense, but I hesitate to mention that since your common sense was apparently lost long ago in some kind of accident.

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I'll rely on the evidence of reality, over religious fantasy for reality.

You mean like the common sense that tells you the sun orbits the earth, and multiple sources in your echo chamber?

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You have all the traits of the cultist, TS.

Including the visceral hatred of knowing someone else is free to think.

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You really made me laugh. Religious groups are what define cults. Religion tells you what to think. I suggest you rethink those thoughts. LOL.

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So the Jacobites were not cultists?

Pol Pot's movement was 'religious', was it?

Serious TS, that's your weakest argument yet.

Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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You sir, are a white lab coat cultist and a Reality denier.

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Hmmm, reality denier? Lab coat believes in testing and empirical evidence to know reality. Vestment Old Bear believes in supernatural mysticism to know reality. I think I'll rely on lab coats to affirm reality.

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Yes, you may well be a reality denier, TS. People who judge validity by whether a lab coat was involved often are blind to Reality.

Unlike you, TS, I use multiple sources whenever possible to verify claims. That and a bit of common sense, but I hesitate to mention that since your common sense was apparently lost long ago in some kind of accident.

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I'll rely on the evidence of reality, over religious fantasy for reality.

You mean like the common sense that tells you the sun orbits the earth, and multiple sources in your echo chamber?

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You have all the traits of the cultist, TS.

Including the visceral hatred of knowing someone else is free to think.

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You really made me laugh. Religious groups are what define cults. Religion tells you what to think. I suggest you rethink those thoughts. LOL.

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So the Jacobites were not cultists?

Pol Pot's movement was 'religious', was it?

Serious TS, that's your weakest argument yet.

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WOW! That's really saying something

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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You sir, are a white lab coat cultist and a Reality denier.

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Hmmm, reality denier? Lab coat believes in testing and empirical evidence to know reality. Vestment Old Bear believes in supernatural mysticism to know reality. I think I'll rely on lab coats to affirm reality.

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Yes, you may well be a reality denier, TS. People who judge validity by whether a lab coat was involved often are blind to Reality.

Unlike you, TS, I use multiple sources whenever possible to verify claims. That and a bit of common sense, but I hesitate to mention that since your common sense was apparently lost long ago in some kind of accident.

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I'll rely on the evidence of reality, over religious fantasy for reality.

You mean like the common sense that tells you the sun orbits the earth, and multiple sources in your echo chamber?

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You have all the traits of the cultist, TS.

Including the visceral hatred of knowing someone else is free to think.

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You really made me laugh. Religious groups are what define cults. Religion tells you what to think. I suggest you rethink those thoughts. LOL.

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So the Jacobites were not cultists?

Pol Pot's movement was 'religious', was it?

Serious TS, that's your weakest argument yet.

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WOW! That's really saying something

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indeed! Progressive arguments don't have to be strong. They just have to be deeply felt and burn down a few city blocks to demonstrate moral superiority.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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You sir, are a white lab coat cultist and a Reality denier.

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Hmmm, reality denier? Lab coat believes in testing and empirical evidence to know reality. Vestment Old Bear believes in supernatural mysticism to know reality. I think I'll rely on lab coats to affirm reality.

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Yes, you may well be a reality denier, TS. People who judge validity by whether a lab coat was involved often are blind to Reality.

Unlike you, TS, I use multiple sources whenever possible to verify claims. That and a bit of common sense, but I hesitate to mention that since your common sense was apparently lost long ago in some kind of accident.

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I'll rely on the evidence of reality, over religious fantasy for reality.

You mean like the common sense that tells you the sun orbits the earth, and multiple sources in your echo chamber?

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Would you be kind enough to review the evidence for the multiverse or maybe directed panspermia?

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Observation and quantum theory tell us that we live in a flat, closed universe, and the only way such a universe can exist long enough for galaxies, life etc. to form, is for it to have undergone inflation in the first second of existence after the big bang. The various concepts of inflation, the various states during inflation, and how they occured lead to the conclusion of multilple local pockets or bubbles forming a multivers, each with their own separate, and possibly differing, parameters and governing physical laws. Alan Guth, Steven Weinburg, Andrea Linde, Stephen Hawking and others have laid the groundwork for this conclusion. Panspermia may account for or partially account for inception of life on this planet, although I personally think it is unlikely. There is no evidence for directed panspermia.

Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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You sir, are a white lab coat cultist and a Reality denier.

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Hmmm, reality denier? Lab coat believes in testing and empirical evidence to know reality. Vestment Old Bear believes in supernatural mysticism to know reality. I think I'll rely on lab coats to affirm reality.

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Yes, you may well be a reality denier, TS. People who judge validity by whether a lab coat was involved often are blind to Reality.

Unlike you, TS, I use multiple sources whenever possible to verify claims. That and a bit of common sense, but I hesitate to mention that since your common sense was apparently lost long ago in some kind of accident.

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I'll rely on the evidence of reality, over religious fantasy for reality.

You mean like the common sense that tells you the sun orbits the earth, and multiple sources in your echo chamber?

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You have all the traits of the cultist, TS.

Including the visceral hatred of knowing someone else is free to think.

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You really made me laugh. Religious groups are what define cults. Religion tells you what to think. I suggest you rethink those thoughts. LOL.

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So the Jacobites were not cultists?

Pol Pot's movement was 'religious', was it?

Serious TS, that's your weakest argument yet.

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I didn't say exclusively defined by religion. Look at the Trump cult for instance, although with some it has religious conotations.

Cult: a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
"the cult of St. Olaf"

• a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
• a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.
  "a cult of personality surrounding the leaders"

TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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You sir, are a white lab coat cultist and a Reality denier.

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Hmmm, reality denier? Lab coat believes in testing and empirical evidence to know reality. Vestment Old Bear believes in supernatural mysticism to know reality. I think I'll rely on lab coats to affirm reality.

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Yes, you may well be a reality denier, TS. People who judge validity by whether a lab coat was involved often are blind to Reality.

Unlike you, TS, I use multiple sources whenever possible to verify claims. That and a bit of common sense, but I hesitate to mention that since your common sense was apparently lost long ago in some kind of accident.

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I'll rely on the evidence of reality, over religious fantasy for reality.

You mean like the common sense that tells you the sun orbits the earth, and multiple sources in your echo chamber?

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You have all the traits of the cultist, TS.

Including the visceral hatred of knowing someone else is free to think.

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You really made me laugh. Religious groups are what define cults. Religion tells you what to think. I suggest you rethink those thoughts. LOL.

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So the Jacobites were not cultists?

Pol Pot's movement was 'religious', was it?

Serious TS, that's your weakest argument yet.

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I didn't say exclusively defined by religion. Look at the Trump cult for instance, although with some it has religious conotations.

Cult: a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
"the cult of St. Olaf"

• a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
• a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.
  "a cult of personality surrounding the leaders"

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Cherry-picked definition s cherry-picked, boyo.

You are still wrong.

the kult of roast beef: arbys.

- kkm

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the kult of roast beef: arbys.

- kkm

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But is it religious or cheese-based?

TexasScientist said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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You sir, are a white lab coat cultist and a Reality denier.

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Hmmm, reality denier? Lab coat believes in testing and empirical evidence to know reality. Vestment Old Bear believes in supernatural mysticism to know reality. I think I'll rely on lab coats to affirm reality.

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Yes, you may well be a reality denier, TS. People who judge validity by whether a lab coat was involved often are blind to Reality.

Unlike you, TS, I use multiple sources whenever possible to verify claims. That and a bit of common sense, but I hesitate to mention that since your common sense was apparently lost long ago in some kind of accident.

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I'll rely on the evidence of reality, over religious fantasy for reality.

You mean like the common sense that tells you the sun orbits the earth, and multiple sources in your echo chamber?

---

Would you be kind enough to review the evidence for the multiverse or maybe directed panspermia?

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Observation and quantum theory tell us that we live in a flat, closed universe, and the only way such a universe can exist long enough for galaxies, life etc. to form, is for it to have undergone inflation in the first second of existence after the big bang. The various concepts of inflation, the various states during inflation, and how they occured lead to the conclusion of multilple local pockets or bubbles forming a multivers, each with their own separate, and possibly differing, parameters and governing physical laws. Alan Guth, Steven Weinburg, Andrea Linde, Stephen Hawking and others have laid the groundwork for this conclusion. Panspermia may account for or partially account for inception of life on this planet, although I personally think it is unlikely. There is no evidence for directed panspermia.

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From National Geographic "Even though certain features of the universe seem to require the existence of a multiverse, nothing has been directly observed that suggests it actually exists. So far, the evidence supporting the idea of a multiverse is purely theoretical, and in some cases, philosophical."

Scientific American "https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/our-improbable-existence-is-no-evidence-for-a-multiverse/

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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You sir, are a white lab coat cultist and a Reality denier.

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Hmmm, reality denier? Lab coat believes in testing and empirical evidence to know reality. Vestment Old Bear believes in supernatural mysticism to know reality. I think I'll rely on lab coats to affirm reality.

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Yes, you may well be a reality denier, TS. People who judge validity by whether a lab coat was involved often are blind to Reality.

Unlike you, TS, I use multiple sources whenever possible to verify claims. That and a bit of common sense, but I hesitate to mention that since your common sense was apparently lost long ago in some kind of accident.

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I'll rely on the evidence of reality, over religious fantasy for reality.

You mean like the common sense that tells you the sun orbits the earth, and multiple sources in your echo chamber?

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You have all the traits of the cultist, TS.

Including the visceral hatred of knowing someone else is free to think.

---

You really made me laugh. Religious groups are what define cults. Religion tells you what to think. I suggest you rethink those thoughts. LOL.

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So the Jacobites were not cultists?

Pol Pot's movement was 'religious', was it?

Serious TS, that's your weakest argument yet.

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I didn't say exclusively defined by religion. Look at the Trump cult for instance, although with some it has religious conotations.

Cult: a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
"the cult of St. Olaf"

• a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
• a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.
  "a cult of personality surrounding the leaders"

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Cherry-picked definition s cherry-picked, boyo.

You are still wrong.

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Nah.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TexasScientist said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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You sir, are a white lab coat cultist and a Reality denier.

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Hmmm, reality denier? Lab coat believes in testing and empirical evidence to know reality. Vestment Old Bear believes in supernatural mysticism to know reality. I think I'll rely on lab coats to affirm reality.

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Yes, you may well be a reality denier, TS. People who judge validity by whether a lab coat was involved often are blind to Reality.

Unlike you, TS, I use multiple sources whenever possible to verify claims. That and a bit of common sense, but I hesitate to mention that since your common sense was apparently lost long ago in some kind of accident.

---

I'll rely on the evidence of reality, over religious fantasy for reality.

You mean like the common sense that tells you the sun orbits the earth, and multiple sources in your echo chamber?

---

Would you be kind enough to review the evidence for the multiverse or maybe directed panspermia?

---

Observation and quantum theory tell us that we live in a flat, closed universe, and the only way such a universe can exist long enough for galaxies, life etc. to form, is for it to have undergone inflation in the first second of existence after the big bang. The various concepts of inflation, the various states during inflation, and how they occured lead to the conclusion of multilple local pockets or bubbles forming a multivers, each with their own separate, and possibly differing, parameters and governing physical laws. Alan Guth, Steven Weinburg, Andrea Linde, Stephen Hawking and others have laid the groundwork for this conclusion. Panspermia may account for or partially account for inception of life on this planet, although I personally think it is unlikely. There is no evidence for directed panspermia.

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From National Geographic "Even though certain features of the universe seem to require the existence of a multiverse, nothing has been directly observed that suggests it actually exists. So far, the evidence supporting the idea of a multiverse is purely theoretical, and in some cases, philosophical."

Scientific American "https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/our-improbable-existence-is-no-evidence-for-a-multiverse/

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That's right. But what we have learned so far about inflation and the early formation of our universe is pointing to to a multiverse. We may never be able to confirm or directly make observations. However, at some point we may be able to detect gravitational waves residual to early formation of a multiverse. I'm not so sure about the philosophical part.