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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

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I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

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agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

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Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

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not entirely the same as lying about election results.

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And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

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Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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Yep

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TexasScientist said:

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Mothra said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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Mothra said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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J.R. said:

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

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I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

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agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

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Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

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not entirely the same as lying about election results.

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And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

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Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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Yep

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Nope.

Sam Lowry said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Mothra said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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Mothra said:

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J.R. said:

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

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I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

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agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

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Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

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not entirely the same as lying about election results.

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And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

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Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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go read the conservative apology thread.

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How is it relevant? It's all about the Capitol riot, not the weeks and months of Trump lies leading up to it.

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The weeks and months before Jan6 were filled with democrat sponsored and promoted riots all across the country. While law abiding citizens watched their businesses be forced closed and all their options for entertainment/food/shopping forced closed by the very same people cheering on the riots that ignored curfew, mask and social distancing laws that had come to rule the lives of the rest of us. Jan 6th was about watching a year of riots that were outright encouraged by democrats and protected by local authorities wherever democrats were in charge and the fruition of predicted voting irregularities.

TexasScientist said:

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Mothra said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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J.R. said:

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

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I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

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agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

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Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

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not entirely the same as lying about election results.

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And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

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Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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Possibly. My post was about the news media.

I've never defended Trump's actions.

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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I hear ya on the Dem's position. That is why I'm no Democrat

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Because that would violate your Christian faith? Welcome to under the rock I crawled out from. Lol

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Nope, here is the big difference between us and many on this board. I'm able to separate religion and politics.

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I assumed you identified as a Christian, my apologies.

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See this is the issue. I do identify as a Christian, but Christian and Republican could not be more different. You ok with Queen Lindsey Graham (Trump suck up..pardon the pun). George whomever is an R. Does he lead a Christlike existence. Grow up, get out of your comfort zone, trace, understand people.

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If one is truly Christian, it would be impossible to remove that hat in any area of your life. It should affect every decision you make - especially how you vote. We cannot put aside our identify in Christ, nor should we try.

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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I hear ya on the Dem's position. That is why I'm no Democrat

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Because that would violate your Christian faith? Welcome to under the rock I crawled out from. Lol

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Nope, here is the big difference between us and many on this board. I'm able to separate religion and politics.

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I assumed you identified as a Christian, my apologies.

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See this is the issue. I do identify as a Christian, but Christian and Republican could not be more different. You ok with Queen Lindsey Graham (Trump suck up..pardon the pun). George whomever is an R. Does he lead a Christlike existence. Grow up, get out of your comfort zone, trace, understand people.

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If one is truly Christian, it would be impossible to remove that hat in any area of your life. It should affect every decision you make - especially how you vote. We cannot put aside our identify in Christ, nor should we try.

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Can one be truly a Christian and vote for Democrats?

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J.R. said:

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

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I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

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agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

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Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

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not entirely the same as lying about election results.

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And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

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Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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go read the conservative apology thread.

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How is it relevant? It's all about the Capitol riot, not the weeks and months of Trump lies leading up to it.

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The weeks and months before Jan6 were filled with democrat sponsored and promoted riots all across the country. While law abiding citizens watched their businesses be forced closed and all their options for entertainment/food/shopping forced closed by the very same people cheering on the riots that ignored curfew, mask and social distancing laws that had come to rule the lives of the rest of us. Jan 6th was about watching a year of riots that were outright encouraged by democrats and protected by local authorities wherever democrats were in charge and the fruition of predicted voting irregularities.

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This may be even less relevant than the conservative apology thread.

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Mothra said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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J.R. said:

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

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I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

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agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

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Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

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not entirely the same as lying about election results.

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And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

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Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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go read the conservative apology thread.

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How is it relevant? It's all about the Capitol riot, not the weeks and months of Trump lies leading up to it.

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The weeks and months before Jan6 were filled with democrat sponsored and promoted riots all across the country. While law abiding citizens watched their businesses be forced closed and all their options for entertainment/food/shopping forced closed by the very same people cheering on the riots that ignored curfew, mask and social distancing laws that had come to rule the lives of the rest of us. Jan 6th was about watching a year of riots that were outright encouraged by democrats and protected by local authorities wherever democrats were in charge and the fruition of predicted voting irregularities.

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This may be even less relevant than the conservative apology thread.

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Oh there is absolutely zero doubt you and other leftists would LOVE to pretend January 6 happened in a vacuum of time and space and only orange man bad is to blame but that's simply not reality. Democrats are far more to blame for Jan 6 than Trump and its not even close.

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LateSteak69 said:

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Mothra said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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J.R. said:

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

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I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

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agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

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Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

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not entirely the same as lying about election results.

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And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

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Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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go read the conservative apology thread.

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How is it relevant? It's all about the Capitol riot, not the weeks and months of Trump lies leading up to it.

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The weeks and months before Jan6 were filled with democrat sponsored and promoted riots all across the country. While law abiding citizens watched their businesses be forced closed and all their options for entertainment/food/shopping forced closed by the very same people cheering on the riots that ignored curfew, mask and social distancing laws that had come to rule the lives of the rest of us. Jan 6th was about watching a year of riots that were outright encouraged by democrats and protected by local authorities wherever democrats were in charge and the fruition of predicted voting irregularities.

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This may be even less relevant than the conservative apology thread.

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Well, DeSantis' book outsold Trump's book in the 1st week

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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I hear ya on the Dem's position. That is why I'm no Democrat

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Because that would violate your Christian faith? Welcome to under the rock I crawled out from. Lol

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Nope, here is the big difference between us and many on this board. I'm able to separate religion and politics.

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I assumed you identified as a Christian, my apologies.

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See this is the issue. I do identify as a Christian, but Christian and Republican could not be more different. You ok with Queen Lindsey Graham (Trump suck up..pardon the pun). George whomever is an R. Does he lead a Christlike existence. Grow up, get out of your comfort zone, trace, understand people.

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If one is truly Christian, it would be impossible to remove that hat in any area of your life. It should affect every decision you make - especially how you vote. We cannot put aside our identify in Christ, nor should we try.

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Can one be truly a Christian and vote for Democrats?

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Can one be a Democrat and not work to advance the Democrat party platform?

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

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You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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I hear ya on the Dem's position. That is why I'm no Democrat

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Because that would violate your Christian faith? Welcome to under the rock I crawled out from. Lol

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Nope, here is the big difference between us and many on this board. I'm able to separate religion and politics.

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I assumed you identified as a Christian, my apologies.

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See this is the issue. I do identify as a Christian, but Christian and Republican could not be more different. You ok with Queen Lindsey Graham (Trump suck up..pardon the pun). George whomever is an R. Does he lead a Christlike existence. Grow up, get out of your comfort zone, trace, understand people.

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If one is truly Christian, it would be impossible to remove that hat in any area of your life. It should affect every decision you make - especially how you vote. We cannot put aside our identify in Christ, nor should we try.

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Can one be truly a Christian and vote for Democrats?

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I am not sure you're reading my posts. Please go back and take a look at my previous posts addressing this subject, as I've already answered that question twice on this thread.

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

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I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

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agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

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Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

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not entirely the same as lying about election results.

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And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

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Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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go read the conservative apology thread.

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How is it relevant? It's all about the Capitol riot, not the weeks and months of Trump lies leading up to it.

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The weeks and months before Jan6 were filled with democrat sponsored and promoted riots all across the country. While law abiding citizens watched their businesses be forced closed and all their options for entertainment/food/shopping forced closed by the very same people cheering on the riots that ignored curfew, mask and social distancing laws that had come to rule the lives of the rest of us. Jan 6th was about watching a year of riots that were outright encouraged by democrats and protected by local authorities wherever democrats were in charge and the fruition of predicted voting irregularities.

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This may be even less relevant than the conservative apology thread.

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Oh there is absolutely zero doubt you and other leftists would LOVE to pretend January 6 happened in a vacuum of time and space and only orange man bad is to blame but that's simply not reality. Democrats are far more to blame for Jan 6 than Trump and its not even close.

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Leftists do like to pretend it happened in a vacuum. Just like Trumpists like to pretend it's somehow justified by mask mandates. Lots and lots of pretending all around.

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

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I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

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agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

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Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

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not entirely the same as lying about election results.

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And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

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Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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go read the conservative apology thread.

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How is it relevant? It's all about the Capitol riot, not the weeks and months of Trump lies leading up to it.

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The weeks and months before Jan6 were filled with democrat sponsored and promoted riots all across the country. While law abiding citizens watched their businesses be forced closed and all their options for entertainment/food/shopping forced closed by the very same people cheering on the riots that ignored curfew, mask and social distancing laws that had come to rule the lives of the rest of us. Jan 6th was about watching a year of riots that were outright encouraged by democrats and protected by local authorities wherever democrats were in charge and the fruition of predicted voting irregularities.

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This may be even less relevant than the conservative apology thread.

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Oh there is absolutely zero doubt you and other leftists would LOVE to pretend January 6 happened in a vacuum of time and space and only orange man bad is to blame but that's simply not reality. Democrats are far more to blame for Jan 6 than Trump and its not even close.

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Leftists do like to pretend it happened in a vacuum. Just like Trumpists like to pretend it's somehow justified by mask mandates. Lots and lots of pretending
all around.

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No, Trumpists watched the same year of deadly democrat riots as everyone else and saw the same voting irregularities as everyone else.

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

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I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

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agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

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Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

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not entirely the same as lying about election results.

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And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

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Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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go read the conservative apology thread.

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How is it relevant? It's all about the Capitol riot, not the weeks and months of Trump lies leading up to it.

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The weeks and months before Jan6 were filled with democrat sponsored and promoted riots all across the country. While law abiding citizens watched their businesses be forced closed and all their options for entertainment/food/shopping forced closed by the very same people cheering on the riots that ignored curfew, mask and social distancing laws that had come to rule the lives of the rest of us. Jan 6th was about watching a year of riots that were outright encouraged by democrats and protected by local authorities wherever democrats were in charge and the fruition of predicted voting irregularities.

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This may be even less relevant than the conservative apology thread.

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Oh there is absolutely zero doubt you and other leftists would LOVE to pretend January 6 happened in a vacuum of time and space and only orange man bad is to blame but that's simply not reality. Democrats are far more to blame for Jan 6 than Trump and its not even close.

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Leftists do like to pretend it happened in a vacuum. Just like Trumpists like to pretend it's somehow justified by mask mandates. Lots and lots of pretending
all around.

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No, Trumpists watched the same year of deadly democrat riots as everyone else and saw the same voting irregularities as everyone else.

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You can pretend a lot of things, but unfortunately you don't get to pretend you're outraged about riots any more.

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

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I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

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agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

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Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

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not entirely the same as lying about election results.

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And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

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Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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go read the conservative apology thread.

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How is it relevant? It's all about the Capitol riot, not the weeks and months of Trump lies leading up to it.

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The weeks and months before Jan6 were filled with democrat sponsored and promoted riots all across the country. While law abiding citizens watched their businesses be forced closed and all their options for entertainment/food/shopping forced closed by the very same people cheering on the riots that ignored curfew, mask and social distancing laws that had come to rule the lives of the rest of us. Jan 6th was about watching a year of riots that were outright encouraged by democrats and protected by local authorities wherever democrats were in charge and the fruition of predicted voting irregularities.

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This may be even less relevant than the conservative apology thread.

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Oh there is absolutely zero doubt you and other leftists would LOVE to pretend January 6 happened in a vacuum of time and space and only orange man bad is to blame but that's simply not reality. Democrats are far more to blame for Jan 6 than Trump and its not even close.

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Leftists do like to pretend it happened in a vacuum. Just like Trumpists like to pretend it's somehow justified by mask mandates. Lots and lots of pretending
all around.

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No, Trumpists watched the same year of deadly democrat riots as everyone else and saw the same voting irregularities as everyone else.

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You can pretend a lot of things, but unfortunately you don't get to pretend you're outraged about riots any more.

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See? There it is; the reason Jan 6th has been blown up by democrats to be seen as the new 9/11. It's all a cover for the 500+ democrat riots of 2020. Lol, that's like telling me that I don't get to be mad about the BLM terrorist running over people at the Waukesha Christmas parade because I got a speeding ticket one time.

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

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I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

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agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

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Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

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not entirely the same as lying about election results.

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And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

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Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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go read the conservative apology thread.

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How is it relevant? It's all about the Capitol riot, not the weeks and months of Trump lies leading up to it.

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its not all about the capital riot.. thanks for proving you didnt read it.

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LateSteak69 said:

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Mothra said:

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

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I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

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agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

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Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

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not entirely the same as lying about election results.

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And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

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Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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go read the conservative apology thread.

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How is it relevant? It's all about the Capitol riot, not the weeks and months of Trump lies leading up to it.

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The weeks and months before Jan6 were filled with democrat sponsored and promoted riots all across the country. While law abiding citizens watched their businesses be forced closed and all their options for entertainment/food/shopping forced closed by the very same people cheering on the riots that ignored curfew, mask and social distancing laws that had come to rule the lives of the rest of us. Jan 6th was about watching a year of riots that were outright encouraged by democrats and protected by local authorities wherever democrats were in charge and the fruition of predicted voting irregularities.

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This may be even less relevant than the conservative apology thread.

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assumption because you didnt read it.. read it all the way through and circle back

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LateSteak69 said:

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Mothra said:

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

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I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

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agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

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Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

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not entirely the same as lying about election results.

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And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

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Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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go read the conservative apology thread.

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How is it relevant? It's all about the Capitol riot, not the weeks and months of Trump lies leading up to it.

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The weeks and months before Jan6 were filled with democrat sponsored and promoted riots all across the country. While law abiding citizens watched their businesses be forced closed and all their options for entertainment/food/shopping forced closed by the very same people cheering on the riots that ignored curfew, mask and social distancing laws that had come to rule the lives of the rest of us. Jan 6th was about watching a year of riots that were outright encouraged by democrats and protected by local authorities wherever democrats were in charge and the fruition of predicted voting irregularities.

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This may be even less relevant than the conservative apology thread.

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assumption because you didnt read it.. read it all the way through and circle back

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Wrong. Which part of it addresses the Big Lie?

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

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I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

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agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

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Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

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not entirely the same as lying about election results.

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And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

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Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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go read the conservative apology thread.

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How is it relevant? It's all about the Capitol riot, not the weeks and months of Trump lies leading up to it.

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The weeks and months before Jan6 were filled with democrat sponsored and promoted riots all across the country. While law abiding citizens watched their businesses be forced closed and all their options for entertainment/food/shopping forced closed by the very same people cheering on the riots that ignored curfew, mask and social distancing laws that had come to rule the lives of the rest of us. Jan 6th was about watching a year of riots that were outright encouraged by democrats and protected by local authorities wherever democrats were in charge and the fruition of predicted voting irregularities.

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This may be even less relevant than the conservative apology thread.

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Oh there is absolutely zero doubt you and other leftists would LOVE to pretend January 6 happened in a vacuum of time and space and only orange man bad is to blame but that's simply not reality. Democrats are far more to blame for Jan 6 than Trump and its not even close.

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Leftists do like to pretend it happened in a vacuum. Just like Trumpists like to pretend it's somehow justified by mask mandates. Lots and lots of pretending
all around.

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No, Trumpists watched the same year of deadly democrat riots as everyone else and saw the same voting irregularities as everyone else.

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You can pretend a lot of things, but unfortunately you don't get to pretend you're outraged about riots any more.

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See? There it is; the reason Jan 6th has been blown up by democrats to be seen as the new 9/11. It's all a cover for the 500+ democrat riots of 2020. Lol, that's like telling me that I don't get to be mad about the BLM terrorist running over people at the Waukesha Christmas parade because I got a speeding ticket one time.

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I have no more sympathy for commie rioters than I do for fascist ones. Both sides sound like my kindergartner telling me he only knocked over the cookie jar because the toddler did it first.

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No, one side has been burning your classroom down for months, killed fellow students and many teachers but has the support of the school administration to continue, with some administrators even personally getting the bad kid out of detention. The other kid finally got sick of the trouble makers' immunity from the law and made some trouble right back. Well that was beyond the pale and you can't have anyone fighting BACK, so you're pretending they're equal in their crimes. They're not.

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

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I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

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agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

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Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

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not entirely the same as lying about election results.

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And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

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Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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go read the conservative apology thread.

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How is it relevant? It's all about the Capitol riot, not the weeks and months of Trump lies leading up to it.

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The weeks and months before Jan6 were filled with democrat sponsored and promoted riots all across the country. While law abiding citizens watched their businesses be forced closed and all their options for entertainment/food/shopping forced closed by the very same people cheering on the riots that ignored curfew, mask and social distancing laws that had come to rule the lives of the rest of us. Jan 6th was about watching a year of riots that were outright encouraged by democrats and protected by local authorities wherever democrats were in charge and the fruition of predicted voting irregularities.

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This may be even less relevant than the conservative apology thread.

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Oh there is absolutely zero doubt you and other leftists would LOVE to pretend January 6 happened in a vacuum of time and space and only orange man bad is to blame but that's simply not reality. Democrats are far more to blame for Jan 6 than Trump and its not even close.

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Leftists do like to pretend it happened in a vacuum. Just like Trumpists like to pretend it's somehow justified by mask mandates. Lots and lots of pretending
all around.

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No, Trumpists watched the same year of deadly democrat riots as everyone else and saw the same voting irregularities as everyone else.

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You can pretend a lot of things, but unfortunately you don't get to pretend you're outraged about riots any more.

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See? There it is; the reason Jan 6th has been blown up by democrats to be seen as the new 9/11. It's all a cover for the 500+ democrat riots of 2020. Lol, that's like telling me that I don't get to be mad about the BLM terrorist running over people at the Waukesha Christmas parade because I got a speeding ticket one time.

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I have no more sympathy for commie rioters than I do for fascist ones. Both sides sound like my kindergartner telling me he only knocked over the cookie jar because the toddler did it first.

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No, one side has been burning your classroom down for months, killed fellow students and many teachers but has the support of the school administration to continue, with some administrators even personally getting the bad kid out of detention. The other kid finally got sick of the trouble makers' immunity from the law and made some trouble right back. Well that was beyond the pale and you can't have anyone fighting BACK, so you're pretending they're equal in their crimes. They're not.

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Well, you made trouble for the wrong people. Mike Pence wasn't burning down your classroom. That would matter if Jan. 6 had really been about BLM and not the Big Lie. But we both know it wasn't. BLM was just an excuse.

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

---

I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

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agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

---

Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

---

not entirely the same as lying about election results.

---

And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

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Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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go read the conservative apology thread.

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How is it relevant? It's all about the Capitol riot, not the weeks and months of Trump lies leading up to it.

---

The weeks and months before Jan6 were filled with democrat sponsored and promoted riots all across the country. While law abiding citizens watched their businesses be forced closed and all their options for entertainment/food/shopping forced closed by the very same people cheering on the riots that ignored curfew, mask and social distancing laws that had come to rule the lives of the rest of us. Jan 6th was about watching a year of riots that were outright encouraged by democrats and protected by local authorities wherever democrats were in charge and the fruition of predicted voting irregularities.

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This may be even less relevant than the conservative apology thread.

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Oh there is absolutely zero doubt you and other leftists would LOVE to pretend January 6 happened in a vacuum of time and space and only orange man bad is to blame but that's simply not reality. Democrats are far more to blame for Jan 6 than Trump and its not even close.

---

Leftists do like to pretend it happened in a vacuum. Just like Trumpists like to pretend it's somehow justified by mask mandates. Lots and lots of pretending
all around.

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No, Trumpists watched the same year of deadly democrat riots as everyone else and saw the same voting irregularities as everyone else.

---

You can pretend a lot of things, but unfortunately you don't get to pretend you're outraged about riots any more.

---

See? There it is; the reason Jan 6th has been blown up by democrats to be seen as the new 9/11. It's all a cover for the 500+ democrat riots of 2020. Lol, that's like telling me that I don't get to be mad about the BLM terrorist running over people at the Waukesha Christmas parade because I got a speeding ticket one time.

---

I have no more sympathy for commie rioters than I do for fascist ones. Both sides sound like my kindergartner telling me he only knocked over the cookie jar because the toddler did it first.

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No, one side has been burning your classroom down for months, killed fellow students and many teachers but has the support of the school administration to continue, with some administrators even personally getting the bad kid out of detention. The other kid finally got sick of the trouble makers' immunity from the law and made some trouble right back. Well that was beyond the pale and you can't have anyone fighting BACK, so you're pretending they're equal in their crimes. They're not.

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Well, you made trouble for the wrong people. Mike Pence wasn't burning down your classroom. That would matter if Jan. 6 had really been about BLM and not the Big Lie. But we both know it wasn't. BLM was just an excuse.

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It was only a part of the reason it happened, it's no EXCUSE for what happened. You have no compunctions about claiming Trump telling people to protest peacefully created the problem while ignoring mountains of context and facts, but let me point out the reality of the situation by giving all the facts and you start whining about "excuses". Lol

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Mothra said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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J.R. said:

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

---

I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

---

agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

---

Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

---

not entirely the same as lying about election results.

---

And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

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Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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go read the conservative apology thread.

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How is it relevant? It's all about the Capitol riot, not the weeks and months of Trump lies leading up to it.

---

The weeks and months before Jan6 were filled with democrat sponsored and promoted riots all across the country. While law abiding citizens watched their businesses be forced closed and all their options for entertainment/food/shopping forced closed by the very same people cheering on the riots that ignored curfew, mask and social distancing laws that had come to rule the lives of the rest of us. Jan 6th was about watching a year of riots that were outright encouraged by democrats and protected by local authorities wherever democrats were in charge and the fruition of predicted voting irregularities.

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This may be even less relevant than the conservative apology thread.

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assumption because you didnt read it.. read it all the way through and circle back

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Wrong. Which part of it addresses the Big Lie?

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nobody said it did.. I said it addressed more than J6 which it does.

The "big lie" is a media narrative to over state things that did and add embelishment with things that didnt happen.

How does the establishment handle opposition? Discredit it. Tale as old as time in politics. MAGA was gaining strength until it was painted with a broad brush very negatively by the establishment and the media.

Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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J.R. said:

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

---

I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

---

agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

---

Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

---

not entirely the same as lying about election results.

---

And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

---

Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

---

go read the conservative apology thread.

---

How is it relevant? It's all about the Capitol riot, not the weeks and months of Trump lies leading up to it.

---

The weeks and months before Jan6 were filled with democrat sponsored and promoted riots all across the country. While law abiding citizens watched their businesses be forced closed and all their options for entertainment/food/shopping forced closed by the very same people cheering on the riots that ignored curfew, mask and social distancing laws that had come to rule the lives of the rest of us. Jan 6th was about watching a year of riots that were outright encouraged by democrats and protected by local authorities wherever democrats were in charge and the fruition of predicted voting irregularities.

---

This may be even less relevant than the conservative apology thread.

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Oh there is absolutely zero doubt you and other leftists would LOVE to pretend January 6 happened in a vacuum of time and space and only orange man bad is to blame but that's simply not reality. Democrats are far more to blame for Jan 6 than Trump and its not even close.

---

Leftists do like to pretend it happened in a vacuum. Just like Trumpists like to pretend it's somehow justified by mask mandates. Lots and lots of pretending
all around.

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No, Trumpists watched the same year of deadly democrat riots as everyone else and saw the same voting irregularities as everyone else.

---

You can pretend a lot of things, but unfortunately you don't get to pretend you're outraged about riots any more.

---

See? There it is; the reason Jan 6th has been blown up by democrats to be seen as the new 9/11. It's all a cover for the 500+ democrat riots of 2020. Lol, that's like telling me that I don't get to be mad about the BLM terrorist running over people at the Waukesha Christmas parade because I got a speeding ticket one time.

---

I have no more sympathy for commie rioters than I do for fascist ones. Both sides sound like my kindergartner telling me he only knocked over the cookie jar because the toddler did it first.

---

No, one side has been burning your classroom down for months, killed fellow students and many teachers but has the support of the school administration to continue, with some administrators even personally getting the bad kid out of detention. The other kid finally got sick of the trouble makers' immunity from the law and made some trouble right back. Well that was beyond the pale and you can't have anyone fighting BACK, so you're pretending they're equal in their crimes. They're not.

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Well, you made trouble for the wrong people. Mike Pence wasn't burning down your classroom. That would matter if Jan. 6 had really been about BLM and not the Big Lie. But we both know it wasn't. BLM was just an excuse.

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It was only a part of the reason it happened, it's no EXCUSE for what happened. You have no compunctions about claiming Trump telling people to protest peacefully created the problem while ignoring mountains of context and facts, but let me point out the reality of the situation by giving all the facts and you start whining about "excuses". Lol

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I'm not the one pretending that "protest peacefully" were the only words Trump uttered for two months after the election. The mountain of context and facts surrounding J6-actually relevant facts, unlike the BLM riots-is precisely what you choose to ignore.

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Wangchung said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Mothra said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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Mothra said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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Mothra said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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Mothra said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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J.R. said:

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

---

I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

---

agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

---

Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

---

not entirely the same as lying about election results.

---

And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

---

Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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go read the conservative apology thread.

---

How is it relevant? It's all about the Capitol riot, not the weeks and months of Trump lies leading up to it.

---

The weeks and months before Jan6 were filled with democrat sponsored and promoted riots all across the country. While law abiding citizens watched their businesses be forced closed and all their options for entertainment/food/shopping forced closed by the very same people cheering on the riots that ignored curfew, mask and social distancing laws that had come to rule the lives of the rest of us. Jan 6th was about watching a year of riots that were outright encouraged by democrats and protected by local authorities wherever democrats were in charge and the fruition of predicted voting irregularities.

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This may be even less relevant than the conservative apology thread.

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assumption because you didnt read it.. read it all the way through and circle back

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Wrong. Which part of it addresses the Big Lie?

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nobody said it did.. I said it addressed more than J6 which it does.

The "big lie" is a media narrative to over state things that did and add embelishment with things that didnt happen.

How does the establishment handle opposition? Discredit it. Tale as old as time in politics. MAGA was gaining strength until it was painted with a broad brush very negatively by the establishment and the media.

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And I said it's not relevant to TS' point, which it isn't.

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Mothra said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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Mothra said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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Mothra said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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Mothra said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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J.R. said:

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

---

all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

---

You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

---

I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

---

agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

---

Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

---

not entirely the same as lying about election results.

---

And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

---

Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

---

go read the conservative apology thread.

---

How is it relevant? It's all about the Capitol riot, not the weeks and months of Trump lies leading up to it.

---

The weeks and months before Jan6 were filled with democrat sponsored and promoted riots all across the country. While law abiding citizens watched their businesses be forced closed and all their options for entertainment/food/shopping forced closed by the very same people cheering on the riots that ignored curfew, mask and social distancing laws that had come to rule the lives of the rest of us. Jan 6th was about watching a year of riots that were outright encouraged by democrats and protected by local authorities wherever democrats were in charge and the fruition of predicted voting irregularities.

---

This may be even less relevant than the conservative apology thread.

---

Oh there is absolutely zero doubt you and other leftists would LOVE to pretend January 6 happened in a vacuum of time and space and only orange man bad is to blame but that's simply not reality. Democrats are far more to blame for Jan 6 than Trump and its not even close.

---

Leftists do like to pretend it happened in a vacuum. Just like Trumpists like to pretend it's somehow justified by mask mandates. Lots and lots of pretending
all around.

---

No, Trumpists watched the same year of deadly democrat riots as everyone else and saw the same voting irregularities as everyone else.

---

You can pretend a lot of things, but unfortunately you don't get to pretend you're outraged about riots any more.

---

See? There it is; the reason Jan 6th has been blown up by democrats to be seen as the new 9/11. It's all a cover for the 500+ democrat riots of 2020. Lol, that's like telling me that I don't get to be mad about the BLM terrorist running over people at the Waukesha Christmas parade because I got a speeding ticket one time.

---

I have no more sympathy for commie rioters than I do for fascist ones. Both sides sound like my kindergartner telling me he only knocked over the cookie jar because the toddler did it first.

---

No, one side has been burning your classroom down for months, killed fellow students and many teachers but has the support of the school administration to continue, with some administrators even personally getting the bad kid out of detention. The other kid finally got sick of the trouble makers' immunity from the law and made some trouble right back. Well that was beyond the pale and you can't have anyone fighting BACK, so you're pretending they're equal in their crimes. They're not.

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Well, you made trouble for the wrong people. Mike Pence wasn't burning down your classroom. That would matter if Jan. 6 had really been about BLM and not the Big Lie. But we both know it wasn't. BLM was just an excuse.

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It was only a part of the reason it happened, it's no EXCUSE for what happened. You have no compunctions about claiming Trump telling people to protest peacefully created the problem while ignoring mountains of context and facts, but let me point out the reality of the situation by giving all the facts and you start whining about "excuses". Lol

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I'm not the one pretending that "protest peacefully" were the only words Trump uttered for two months after the election. The mountain of context and facts surrounding J6-actually relevant facts, unlike the BLM riots-is precisely what you choose to ignore.

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Context like state run elections being changed illegally without going through their state legislatures first? Context like multiple cases being dismissed without any hearing of the evidence? Context like millions of unsolicited ballots being sent out to no -purged voter rolls? There is loads of context, but you don't get to pretend like spending a year locked up by covid restrictions watching your friends and family suffer and die, watching churches be closed and retirement homes become depressing and isolated wastelands of death, millions of people losing their jobs while being demonized if they didn't follow mask protocols that turned out to be false, watching their ability to freely converse be restricted online if they mentioned China might have made the virus or if they dared to say BLM was anything other than the holiest of holy organizations, watching democrats blame white people and police for the violence caused by BLM every time a criminal of a protected skin tone got hurt or killed while fighting a lawful arrest...that all of that is irrelevant and Jan 6th happened because orange man bad. Your refusal of such massive amounts of context truly explains your opinions, though. It's literally the only way one could hold such opinions.

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

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I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

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agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

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Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

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not entirely the same as lying about election results.

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And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

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Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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go read the conservative apology thread.

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How is it relevant? It's all about the Capitol riot, not the weeks and months of Trump lies leading up to it.

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The weeks and months before Jan6 were filled with democrat sponsored and promoted riots all across the country. While law abiding citizens watched their businesses be forced closed and all their options for entertainment/food/shopping forced closed by the very same people cheering on the riots that ignored curfew, mask and social distancing laws that had come to rule the lives of the rest of us. Jan 6th was about watching a year of riots that were outright encouraged by democrats and protected by local authorities wherever democrats were in charge and the fruition of predicted voting irregularities.

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This may be even less relevant than the conservative apology thread.

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Oh there is absolutely zero doubt you and other leftists would LOVE to pretend January 6 happened in a vacuum of time and space and only orange man bad is to blame but that's simply not reality. Democrats are far more to blame for Jan 6 than Trump and its not even close.

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Leftists do like to pretend it happened in a vacuum. Just like Trumpists like to pretend it's somehow justified by mask mandates. Lots and lots of pretending
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No, Trumpists watched the same year of deadly democrat riots as everyone else and saw the same voting irregularities as everyone else.

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You can pretend a lot of things, but unfortunately you don't get to pretend you're outraged about riots any more.

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See? There it is; the reason Jan 6th has been blown up by democrats to be seen as the new 9/11. It's all a cover for the 500+ democrat riots of 2020. Lol, that's like telling me that I don't get to be mad about the BLM terrorist running over people at the Waukesha Christmas parade because I got a speeding ticket one time.

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I have no more sympathy for commie rioters than I do for fascist ones. Both sides sound like my kindergartner telling me he only knocked over the cookie jar because the toddler did it first.

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No, one side has been burning your classroom down for months, killed fellow students and many teachers but has the support of the school administration to continue, with some administrators even personally getting the bad kid out of detention. The other kid finally got sick of the trouble makers' immunity from the law and made some trouble right back. Well that was beyond the pale and you can't have anyone fighting BACK, so you're pretending they're equal in their crimes. They're not.

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Well, you made trouble for the wrong people. Mike Pence wasn't burning down your classroom. That would matter if Jan. 6 had really been about BLM and not the Big Lie. But we both know it wasn't. BLM was just an excuse.

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It was only a part of the reason it happened, it's no EXCUSE for what happened. You have no compunctions about claiming Trump telling people to protest peacefully created the problem while ignoring mountains of context and facts, but let me point out the reality of the situation by giving all the facts and you start whining about "excuses". Lol

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I'm not the one pretending that "protest peacefully" were the only words Trump uttered for two months after the election. The mountain of context and facts surrounding J6-actually relevant facts, unlike the BLM riots-is precisely what you choose to ignore.

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Context like state run elections being changed illegally without going through their state legislatures first? Context like multiple cases being dismissed without any hearing of the evidence? Context like millions of unsolicited ballots being sent out to no -purged voter rolls? There is loads of context, but you don't get to pretend like spending a year locked up by covid restrictions watching your friends and family suffer and die, watching churches be closed and retirement homes become depressing and isolated wastelands of death, millions of people losing their jobs while being demonized if they didn't follow mask protocols that turned out to be false, watching their ability to freely converse be restricted online if they mentioned China might have made the virus or if they dared to say BLM was anything other than the holiest of holy organizations, watching democrats blame white people and police for the violence caused by BLM every time a criminal of a protected skin tone got hurt or killed while fighting a lawful arrest...that all of that is irrelevant and Jan 6th happened because orange man bad. Your refusal of such massive amounts of context truly explains your opinions, though. It's literally the only way one could hold such opinions.

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Yes. Those misleading claims, and many others like them, were very much a part of the context that led to violence.

But of course you're not excusing it or anything.

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

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I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

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agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

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Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

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not entirely the same as lying about election results.

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And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

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Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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go read the conservative apology thread.

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How is it relevant? It's all about the Capitol riot, not the weeks and months of Trump lies leading up to it.

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The weeks and months before Jan6 were filled with democrat sponsored and promoted riots all across the country. While law abiding citizens watched their businesses be forced closed and all their options for entertainment/food/shopping forced closed by the very same people cheering on the riots that ignored curfew, mask and social distancing laws that had come to rule the lives of the rest of us. Jan 6th was about watching a year of riots that were outright encouraged by democrats and protected by local authorities wherever democrats were in charge and the fruition of predicted voting irregularities.

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This may be even less relevant than the conservative apology thread.

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Oh there is absolutely zero doubt you and other leftists would LOVE to pretend January 6 happened in a vacuum of time and space and only orange man bad is to blame but that's simply not reality. Democrats are far more to blame for Jan 6 than Trump and its not even close.

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Leftists do like to pretend it happened in a vacuum. Just like Trumpists like to pretend it's somehow justified by mask mandates. Lots and lots of pretending
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No, Trumpists watched the same year of deadly democrat riots as everyone else and saw the same voting irregularities as everyone else.

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You can pretend a lot of things, but unfortunately you don't get to pretend you're outraged about riots any more.

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See? There it is; the reason Jan 6th has been blown up by democrats to be seen as the new 9/11. It's all a cover for the 500+ democrat riots of 2020. Lol, that's like telling me that I don't get to be mad about the BLM terrorist running over people at the Waukesha Christmas parade because I got a speeding ticket one time.

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I have no more sympathy for commie rioters than I do for fascist ones. Both sides sound like my kindergartner telling me he only knocked over the cookie jar because the toddler did it first.

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No, one side has been burning your classroom down for months, killed fellow students and many teachers but has the support of the school administration to continue, with some administrators even personally getting the bad kid out of detention. The other kid finally got sick of the trouble makers' immunity from the law and made some trouble right back. Well that was beyond the pale and you can't have anyone fighting BACK, so you're pretending they're equal in their crimes. They're not.

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Well, you made trouble for the wrong people. Mike Pence wasn't burning down your classroom. That would matter if Jan. 6 had really been about BLM and not the Big Lie. But we both know it wasn't. BLM was just an excuse.

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It was only a part of the reason it happened, it's no EXCUSE for what happened. You have no compunctions about claiming Trump telling people to protest peacefully created the problem while ignoring mountains of context and facts, but let me point out the reality of the situation by giving all the facts and you start whining about "excuses". Lol

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I'm not the one pretending that "protest peacefully" were the only words Trump uttered for two months after the election. The mountain of context and facts surrounding J6-actually relevant facts, unlike the BLM riots-is precisely what you choose to ignore.

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Context like state run elections being changed illegally without going through their state legislatures first? Context like multiple cases being dismissed without any hearing of the evidence? Context like millions of unsolicited ballots being sent out to no -purged voter rolls? There is loads of context, but you don't get to pretend like spending a year locked up by covid restrictions watching your friends and family suffer and die, watching churches be closed and retirement homes become depressing and isolated wastelands of death, millions of people losing their jobs while being demonized if they didn't follow mask protocols that turned out to be false, watching their ability to freely converse be restricted online if they mentioned China might have made the virus or if they dared to say BLM was anything other than the holiest of holy organizations, watching democrats blame white people and police for the violence caused by BLM every time a criminal of a protected skin tone got hurt or killed while fighting a lawful arrest...that all of that is irrelevant and Jan 6th happened because orange man bad. Your refusal of such massive amounts of context truly explains your opinions, though. It's literally the only way one could hold such opinions.

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Yes. Those misleading claims, and many others like them, were very much a part of the context that led to violence.

But of course you're not excusing it or anything.

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Your denial means nothing in the face of the facts but it does explain how you can hold so religiously to such a weak narrative.

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

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I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

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agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

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Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

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not entirely the same as lying about election results.

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And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

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Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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go read the conservative apology thread.

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How is it relevant? It's all about the Capitol riot, not the weeks and months of Trump lies leading up to it.

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The weeks and months before Jan6 were filled with democrat sponsored and promoted riots all across the country. While law abiding citizens watched their businesses be forced closed and all their options for entertainment/food/shopping forced closed by the very same people cheering on the riots that ignored curfew, mask and social distancing laws that had come to rule the lives of the rest of us. Jan 6th was about watching a year of riots that were outright encouraged by democrats and protected by local authorities wherever democrats were in charge and the fruition of predicted voting irregularities.

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This may be even less relevant than the conservative apology thread.

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assumption because you didnt read it.. read it all the way through and circle back

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Wrong. Which part of it addresses the Big Lie?

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nobody said it did.. I said it addressed more than J6 which it does.

The "big lie" is a media narrative to over state things that did and add embelishment with things that didnt happen.

How does the establishment handle opposition? Discredit it. Tale as old as time in politics. MAGA was gaining strength until it was painted with a broad brush very negatively by the establishment and the media.

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And I said it's not relevant to TS' point, which it isn't.

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confirmation biased confirmed..

Its not relevant because I said it wasnt so it isnt

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

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You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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I hear ya on the Dem's position. That is why I'm no Democrat

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Because that would violate your Christian faith? Welcome to under the rock I crawled out from. Lol

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Nope, here is the big difference between us and many on this board. I'm able to separate religion and politics.

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I assumed you identified as a Christian, my apologies.

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See this is the issue. I do identify as a Christian, but Christian and Republican could not be more different. You ok with Queen Lindsey Graham (Trump suck up..pardon the pun). George whomever is an R. Does he lead a Christlike existence. Grow up, get out of your comfort zone, trace, understand people.

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If one is truly Christian, it would be impossible to remove that hat in any area of your life. It should affect every decision you make - especially how you vote. We cannot put aside our identify in Christ, nor should we try.

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again, I don't mix politics and religion. That is problematic to me.

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

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You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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A vote for a D is overwhelmingly a vote to:

Kill the unborn

Greatly reduce and control the population of blacks (a stated goal of their democrat founder)

Ensure unqualified people are put in unearned positions at the expense of those more capable.

Never ending wars with no stated goal and sacrificed American lives

The choice is pretty simple especially if one is a Christian

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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I hear ya on the Dem's position. That is why I'm no Democrat

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Because that would violate your Christian faith? Welcome to under the rock I crawled out from. Lol

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Nope, here is the big difference between us and many on this board. I'm able to separate religion and politics.

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I assumed you identified as a Christian, my apologies.

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See this is the issue. I do identify as a Christian, but Christian and Republican could not be more different. You ok with Queen Lindsey Graham (Trump suck up..pardon the pun). George whomever is an R. Does he lead a Christlike existence. Grow up, get out of your comfort zone, trace, understand people.

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If one is truly Christian, it would be impossible to remove that hat in any area of your life. It should affect every decision you make - especially how you vote. We cannot put aside our identify in Christ, nor should we try.

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again, I don't mix politics and religion. That is problematic to me.

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I am not sure what that means. Do you mean you don't let your deeply held religious beliefs influence your vote? If so, how do you decide what candidates to vote for?

Worth a million blue stars. The cultists simply cannot adhere to facts when it comes to anything that may put their dear leader in a negative light.

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

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I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

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agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

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Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

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not entirely the same as lying about election results.

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And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

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Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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go read the conservative apology thread.

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How is it relevant? It's all about the Capitol riot, not the weeks and months of Trump lies leading up to it.

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The weeks and months before Jan6 were filled with democrat sponsored and promoted riots all across the country. While law abiding citizens watched their businesses be forced closed and all their options for entertainment/food/shopping forced closed by the very same people cheering on the riots that ignored curfew, mask and social distancing laws that had come to rule the lives of the rest of us. Jan 6th was about watching a year of riots that were outright encouraged by democrats and protected by local authorities wherever democrats were in charge and the fruition of predicted voting irregularities.

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This may be even less relevant than the conservative apology thread.

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Oh there is absolutely zero doubt you and other leftists would LOVE to pretend January 6 happened in a vacuum of time and space and only orange man bad is to blame but that's simply not reality. Democrats are far more to blame for Jan 6 than Trump and its not even close.

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Leftists do like to pretend it happened in a vacuum. Just like Trumpists like to pretend it's somehow justified by mask mandates. Lots and lots of pretending
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No, Trumpists watched the same year of deadly democrat riots as everyone else and saw the same voting irregularities as everyone else.

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You can pretend a lot of things, but unfortunately you don't get to pretend you're outraged about riots any more.

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See? There it is; the reason Jan 6th has been blown up by democrats to be seen as the new 9/11. It's all a cover for the 500+ democrat riots of 2020. Lol, that's like telling me that I don't get to be mad about the BLM terrorist running over people at the Waukesha Christmas parade because I got a speeding ticket one time.

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I have no more sympathy for commie rioters than I do for fascist ones. Both sides sound like my kindergartner telling me he only knocked over the cookie jar because the toddler did it first.

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No, one side has been burning your classroom down for months, killed fellow students and many teachers but has the support of the school administration to continue, with some administrators even personally getting the bad kid out of detention. The other kid finally got sick of the trouble makers' immunity from the law and made some trouble right back. Well that was beyond the pale and you can't have anyone fighting BACK, so you're pretending they're equal in their crimes. They're not.

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Well, you made trouble for the wrong people. Mike Pence wasn't burning down your classroom. That would matter if Jan. 6 had really been about BLM and not the Big Lie. But we both know it wasn't. BLM was just an excuse.

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It was only a part of the reason it happened, it's no EXCUSE for what happened. You have no compunctions about claiming Trump telling people to protest peacefully created the problem while ignoring mountains of context and facts, but let me point out the reality of the situation by giving all the facts and you start whining about "excuses". Lol

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I'm not the one pretending that "protest peacefully" were the only words Trump uttered for two months after the election. The mountain of context and facts surrounding J6-actually relevant facts, unlike the BLM riots-is precisely what you choose to ignore.

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Context like state run elections being changed illegally without going through their state legislatures first? Context like multiple cases being dismissed without any hearing of the evidence? Context like millions of unsolicited ballots being sent out to no -purged voter rolls? There is loads of context, but you don't get to pretend like spending a year locked up by covid restrictions watching your friends and family suffer and die, watching churches be closed and retirement homes become depressing and isolated wastelands of death, millions of people losing their jobs while being demonized if they didn't follow mask protocols that turned out to be false, watching their ability to freely converse be restricted online if they mentioned China might have made the virus or if they dared to say BLM was anything other than the holiest of holy organizations, watching democrats blame white people and police for the violence caused by BLM every time a criminal of a protected skin tone got hurt or killed while fighting a lawful arrest...that all of that is irrelevant and Jan 6th happened because orange man bad. Your refusal of such massive amounts of context truly explains your opinions, though. It's literally the only way one could hold such opinions.

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Yes. Those misleading claims, and many others like them, were very much a part of the context that led to violence.

But of course you're not excusing it or anything.

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Your denial means nothing in the face of the facts but it does explain how you can hold so religiously to such a weak narrative.

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You've read the court cases. You know they weren't only based on procedure. You know judges went out of their way to address substantive issues even when they didn't have to. You know Trump's lawyers bailed on their fraud claims. You know Jenna Ellis just admitted to lying. You know Sidney Powell was sanctioned, Rudy Giuliani was suspended, and John Eastman is facing disbarment and prosecution. I know you know all this, or you wouldn't be here posting long-debunked conspiracy rants without bothering to look at the evidence.

So I guess the only question is…why lie about it?

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No, many cases were thrown out without any review of the facts at all. What remains are still mostly accusations from the same people who trade in accusations as a political currency. Not all claims were accurate by the Trump lawyers, but not all were fabricated lies, either. You know this to be true, so why would YOU lie about it now? Are you really THAT devoted to personal consistency?