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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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Mothra said:

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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I think Wang makes some good points. It is difficult to understand why a Christian would vote for a party that stands for the opposite of Christian values and tenets, as pointed out above. When a Christian pulls the trigger for that party, one must wonder, are they deceived, ignorant, luke-warm, or perhaps not really Christian? I haven't met a Christian yet, sound in his or her walk with the Lord, that has pulled the trigger for a Democrat in a national election the last few election cycles. The reasons for that should be patently obvious to any mature believer.

The place I will not go is saying if you vote Democrat, you can't be Christian. Although doing so raises a number of concerns about one's purported Christian faith and walk with Christ, I can say from personal experience that I've likewise made poor decisions as a Christian that I am not proud of. But I do not believe that changed my identify in Christ. For that reason, I am unable to go there.

Also, for the record, the few Dems I voted for were friends of mine in local elections. Most of them were in large, Democrat-run cities, where they essentially had to run as a Democrat to get elected. Funny enough, one of them - a tax assessor in a very large Texas city, is to the right of me, politically. It's been years since I've pulled the trigger for a Dem, and I am not sure I could do so even in a local election today.

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

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I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

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Don't you mean MSLSD?

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Mothra said:

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Is empowering and enabling sin "Christian?"

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Is voting for a Democrat empowering and enabling sin?

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Mothra said:

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Is empowering and enabling sin "Christian?"

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Is voting for a Democrat empowering and enabling sin?

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Is it not?

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Mothra said:

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Is empowering and enabling sin "Christian?"

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Is voting for a Democrat empowering and enabling sin?

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Is it not?

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I don't think so. Do you?

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Not sure what you mean by "good with my faith," but respectfully, your stances on issues - especially social issues - and your animosity to "fellow believers" suggests you either don't know what scripture says about certain issues or you don't care. I say that with all due respect.

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so, please expound upon the social issues you think I support. Just curious.

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You've told everyone you are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. When most people make that claim, they typically mean pro-abortion, LGBTQ+ rights, gay marriage, etc. But I am sure you can clarify what you mean by that.

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Ok, you are correct on fiscally conservative and very Libertarian on social issues. Firstly, I am in no way pro abortion. I have an adopted child , for Pete's sake, one day after her birth, (now 24) so I'm hardly pro-abortion. I just don't make that a singular issue. I really don't care who sleeps with whom or who marries whom. Not my business. So, how many abortions do you think Trump has paid for? You ok with Trumps biatch Queen Lindsey in all his gayness? Is that ok because he is a republican. Everyone should have the same rights, regardless. I have enough on my plate to keep it between the lines. Me worrying about that crap is senseless . I don't buy the slippery slope issue either. Kids at drag shows is not ok. Shame on those parents.

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As a Christian, I would respectfully submit you should care about the mores of the culture. We are to be salt and light to a dying world. We should try to stem the tide, to the extent we can. Christ calls for that. And what we know is the Democrats have embraced a culture that is the antithesis of Christ's teachings.

You will get no argument from me that Trump is a POS. The mistake you make is believing that personality is more important than policy. How could a Christian vote for Trump? Easy. When the only other viable alternative is a guy who pushes woke social issues and immorality that are the antithesis of Christian values, you go with the guy who isn't for those things from a policy standpoint.

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I require both in my President. Policy and morality. Is that too much to ask? Obviously, in today's times, it is.

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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Not sure what you mean by "good with my faith," but respectfully, your stances on issues - especially social issues - and your animosity to "fellow believers" suggests you either don't know what scripture says about certain issues or you don't care. I say that with all due respect.

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so, please expound upon the social issues you think I support. Just curious.

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You've told everyone you are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. When most people make that claim, they typically mean pro-abortion, LGBTQ+ rights, gay marriage, etc. But I am sure you can clarify what you mean by that.

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Ok, you are correct on fiscally conservative and very Libertarian on social issues. Firstly, I am in no way pro abortion. I have an adopted child , for Pete's sake, one day after her birth, (now 24) so I'm hardly pro-abortion. I just don't make that a singular issue. I really don't care who sleeps with whom or who marries whom. Not my business. So, how many abortions do you think Trump has paid for? You ok with Trumps biatch Queen Lindsey in all his gayness? Is that ok because he is a republican. Everyone should have the same rights, regardless. I have enough on my plate to keep it between the lines. Me worrying about that crap is senseless . I don't buy the slippery slope issue either. Kids at drag shows is not ok. Shame on those parents.

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As a Christian, I would respectfully submit you should care about the mores of the culture. We are to be salt and light to a dying world. We should try to stem the tide, to the extent we can. Christ calls for that. And what we know is the Democrats have embraced a culture that is the antithesis of Christ's teachings.

You will get no argument from me that Trump is a POS. The mistake you make is believing that personality is more important than policy. How could a Christian vote for Trump? Easy. When the only other viable alternative is a guy who pushes woke social issues and immorality that are the antithesis of Christian values, you go with the guy who isn't for those things from a policy standpoint.

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I require both in my President. Policy and morality. Is that too much to ask? Obviously, in today's times, it is.

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Sounds good in principle, but unfortunately, none of the eventual nominees had both, and one was missing both of them. That's why the choice was pretty easy.

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the rich to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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Thank you for your apolgia on behalf of the Democrat Party, which is now saying that abortion is/should be a protected right up until the moment right before birth. Democrats are typically extreme on this issue.

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the rich to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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Thank you for your apolgia on behalf of the Democrat Party, which is now saying that abortion is/should be a protected right up until the moment right before birth. Democrats are typically extreme on this issue.

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So, let me get this straight....You think only dems support the right to life as folks call it. No R's support the same? I can tell you multitudes of stories where good Christian girls had an abortion and tend to be R's. Very shortsighted of you. Not saying it is right, but it is a fact!

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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I hear ya on the Dem's position. That is why I'm no Democrat

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Not sure what you mean by "good with my faith," but respectfully, your stances on issues - especially social issues - and your animosity to "fellow believers" suggests you either don't know what scripture says about certain issues or you don't care. I say that with all due respect.

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so, please expound upon the social issues you think I support. Just curious.

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You've told everyone you are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. When most people make that claim, they typically mean pro-abortion, LGBTQ+ rights, gay marriage, etc. But I am sure you can clarify what you mean by that.

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Ok, you are correct on fiscally conservative and very Libertarian on social issues. Firstly, I am in no way pro abortion. I have an adopted child , for Pete's sake, one day after her birth, (now 24) so I'm hardly pro-abortion. I just don't make that a singular issue. I really don't care who sleeps with whom or who marries whom. Not my business. So, how many abortions do you think Trump has paid for? You ok with Trumps biatch Queen Lindsey in all his gayness? Is that ok because he is a republican. Everyone should have the same rights, regardless. I have enough on my plate to keep it between the lines. Me worrying about that crap is senseless . I don't buy the slippery slope issue either. Kids at drag shows is not ok. Shame on those parents.

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As a Christian, I would respectfully submit you should care about the mores of the culture. We are to be salt and light to a dying world. We should try to stem the tide, to the extent we can. Christ calls for that. And what we know is the Democrats have embraced a culture that is the antithesis of Christ's teachings.

You will get no argument from me that Trump is a POS. The mistake you make is believing that personality is more important than policy. How could a Christian vote for Trump? Easy. When the only other viable alternative is a guy who pushes woke social issues and immorality that are the antithesis of Christian values, you go with the guy who isn't for those things from a policy standpoint.

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I require both in my President. Policy and morality. Is that too much to ask? Obviously, in today's times, it is.

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appears to be so you got neither

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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I hear ya on the Dem's position. That is why I'm no Democrat

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Because that would violate your Christian faith? Welcome to under the rock I crawled out from. Lol

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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I hear ya on the Dem's position. That is why I'm no Democrat

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Because that would violate your Christian faith? Welcome to under the rock I crawled out from. Lol

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Works required for salvation?

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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A vote for a D is overwhelmingly a vote to:

Kill the unborn

Greatly reduce and control the population of blacks (a stated goal of their democrat founder)

Ensure unqualified people are put in unearned positions at the expense of those more capable.

Never ending wars with no stated goal and sacrificed American lives

The choice is pretty simple especially if one is a Christian

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We should focus on the Party, not on the individual. Trump is a Republican, therefore what he does/says is irrelevant, because the Party is good. I voted Democrat, I'm not really a Christian.

Brilliant. ****ing brilliant.

No wonder we can't have an honest discussion about anything.

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Binary thinking is so 2023

Individual responsibility is optional if you identify as the right letter in the alphabet

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Is empowering and enabling sin "Christian?"

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Is voting for a Democrat empowering and enabling sin?

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Is voting for supporting abortion enabling sin?

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We should focus on the Party, not on the individual. Trump is a Republican, therefore what he does/says is irrelevant, because the Party is good. I voted Democrat, I'm not really a Christian.

Brilliant. ****ing brilliant.

No wonder we can't have an honest discussion about anything.

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Trump placed constitutionally adherent justices to the Supreme Court among other hugely beneficial moves for the US but is an evil fascist dictator because mean tweets, so party bad?
Brilliant. ****ing brilliant.
Democrat congressmen vote lockstep. Don't pretend like enabling your democrat senators and congressmen isn't enabling the democrat agenda.

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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I hear ya on the Dem's position. That is why I'm no Democrat

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Because that would violate your Christian faith? Welcome to under the rock I crawled out from. Lol

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Works required for salvation?

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Only if you consider the 6th commandment "works".

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We should focus on the Party, not on the individual. Trump is a Republican, therefore what he does/says is irrelevant, because the Party is good. I voted Democrat, I'm not really a Christian.

Brilliant. ****ing brilliant.

No wonder we can't have an honest discussion about anything.

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Ridiculous strawmen from the usual suspects.

This is no surprise, considering the source.

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Not sure what you mean by "good with my faith," but respectfully, your stances on issues - especially social issues - and your animosity to "fellow believers" suggests you either don't know what scripture says about certain issues or you don't care. I say that with all due respect.

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so, please expound upon the social issues you think I support. Just curious.

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You've told everyone you are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. When most people make that claim, they typically mean pro-abortion, LGBTQ+ rights, gay marriage, etc. But I am sure you can clarify what you mean by that.

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Ok, you are correct on fiscally conservative and very Libertarian on social issues. Firstly, I am in no way pro abortion. I have an adopted child , for Pete's sake, one day after her birth, (now 24) so I'm hardly pro-abortion. I just don't make that a singular issue. I really don't care who sleeps with whom or who marries whom. Not my business. So, how many abortions do you think Trump has paid for? You ok with Trumps biatch Queen Lindsey in all his gayness? Is that ok because he is a republican. Everyone should have the same rights, regardless. I have enough on my plate to keep it between the lines. Me worrying about that crap is senseless . I don't buy the slippery slope issue either. Kids at drag shows is not ok. Shame on those parents.

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As a Christian, I would respectfully submit you should care about the mores of the culture. We are to be salt and light to a dying world. We should try to stem the tide, to the extent we can. Christ calls for that. And what we know is the Democrats have embraced a culture that is the antithesis of Christ's teachings.

You will get no argument from me that Trump is a POS. The mistake you make is believing that personality is more important than policy. How could a Christian vote for Trump? Easy. When the only other viable alternative is a guy who pushes woke social issues and immorality that are the antithesis of Christian values, you go with the guy who isn't for those things from a policy standpoint.

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I require both in my President. Policy and morality. Is that too much to ask? Obviously, in today's times, it is.

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appears to be so you got neither

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yes, for the last 8 yrs

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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I hear ya on the Dem's position. That is why I'm no Democrat

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Because that would violate your Christian faith? Welcome to under the rock I crawled out from. Lol

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Nope, here is the big difference between us and many on this board. I'm able to separate religion and politics.

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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I hear ya on the Dem's position. That is why I'm no Democrat

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Because that would violate your Christian faith? Welcome to under the rock I crawled out from. Lol

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Works required for salvation?

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no, but they help

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We should focus on the Party, not on the individual. Trump is a Republican, therefore what he does/says is irrelevant, because the Party is good. I voted Democrat, I'm not really a Christian.

Brilliant. ****ing brilliant.

No wonder we can't have an honest discussion about anything.

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Ridiculous strawmen from the usual suspects.

This is no surprise, considering the source.

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You are adding requirements to the Gospel

Faith + vote Republican

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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I hear ya on the Dem's position. That is why I'm no Democrat

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Because that would violate your Christian faith? Welcome to under the rock I crawled out from. Lol

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Nope, here is the big difference between us and many on this board. I'm able to separate religion and politics.

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I assumed you identified as a Christian, my apologies.

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We should focus on the Party, not on the individual. Trump is a Republican, therefore what he does/says is irrelevant, because the Party is good. I voted Democrat, I'm not really a Christian.

Brilliant. ****ing brilliant.

No wonder we can't have an honest discussion about anything.

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Ridiculous strawmen from the usual suspects.

This is no surprise, considering the source.

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You are adding requirements to the Gospel

Faith + vote Republican

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I'm not sure how you inferred that from my comments. I didn't say or suggest anything of the sort.

But I have seen you making this argument to other people. Seems to me you're conflating fruit with works. Those are two very different things.

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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I hear ya on the Dem's position. That is why I'm no Democrat

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Because that would violate your Christian faith? Welcome to under the rock I crawled out from. Lol

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Nope, here is the big difference between us and many on this board. I'm able to separate religion and politics.

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I assumed you identified as a Christian, my apologies.

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See this is the issue. I do identify as a Christian, but Christian and Republican could not be more different. You ok with Queen Lindsey Graham (Trump suck up..pardon the pun). George whomever is an R. Does he lead a Christlike existence. Grow up, get out of your comfort zone, trace, understand people.

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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I hear ya on the Dem's position. That is why I'm no Democrat

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Because that would violate your Christian faith? Welcome to under the rock I crawled out from. Lol

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Nope, here is the big difference between us and many on this board. I'm able to separate religion and politics.

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I assumed you identified as a Christian, my apologies.

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See this is the issue. I do identify as a Christian, but Christian and Republican could not be more different. You ok with Queen Lindsey Graham (Trump suck up..pardon the pun). George whomever is an R. Does he lead a Christlike existence. Grow up, get out of your comfort zone, trace, understand people.

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Once again you fail to understand the conversation, or you hope by misrepresenting the conversation you can keep from having to admit you betray your alleged faith by voting for policy that directly contradicts said faith. POLICY. Can you say policy? "paw-lis-see" Not mean tweets, not attitude or past girlfriends, POLICY. The best democrat politician still votes in lockstep with the most extreme democrat politician when it comes to abortion. The average democrat politician doesn't think twice. POLICY.

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

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I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

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agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

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Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

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not entirely the same as lying about election results.

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And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

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Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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go read the conservative apology thread.

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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Yeah, it's hard to believe there so many people unwilling to blindly follow and support a political party that hates God, believes men can menstruate and get pregnant, believes you can't define what a woman is, believes illegal aliens should be allowed to enter our country at will and even given special treatment, wages war on energy and the economy, believes if we just spend enough $$trillions and restrict enough rights we can control the weather, believes the main purpose of education is to teach racial hatred and groom/indoctrinate future Marxists, and believes that murdering the unborn at will is a constitutional right.

What a bunch of dolts! I.wish they would get an "education" and understand America last is always the way to go!

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The leader of the GOP/former president currently doesn't give a blue F about God and uses him as a prop. just heads up.

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Regardless of what his personal situation is in that regard (which you have no idea about - as a "heads up") he was an outstanding POTUS as far as people of faith go - among a plethora of other accomplishments.

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actually i do have an idea, we all do, it's documented and out there for all to see.

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Wow! So you (and apparently a lot of other people) have the ability to discern and know the current condition of another person's innermost heart and soul at any point in time! Where do you go to get training for that sort of thing?

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Psychology. Trump is a classic malignant narcissist, which means he is incapable of change, and makes him a threat to democracy, as we have seen.

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

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I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

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agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

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Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

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not entirely the same as lying about election results.

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And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

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Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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go read the conservative apology thread.

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How is it relevant? It's all about the Capitol riot, not the weeks and months of Trump lies leading up to it.