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Faith is shown by your actions, not your ability to quote/copy and paste scripture. You can say you believe in Christ but if your actions say you're of this earth rather than merely in it then you're not living with faith. Voting in people who hate Christians and who promote and enable killing humans as healthcare is not living the faith.

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Where do you guys post the minutes of the local Pharisee meetings?

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Says the guy pushing the Disney version of Christianity...

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Nope,
Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

(look it up)

Can socialists and communists get to heaven?

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If they have recognized/stopped their sins and asked forgiveness, like any of us, then of course.

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but not Democrats, communists, or socialists
What about Martin Luther & Huss?

Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

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I know you want to pretend I've said democrats cannot ever attain salvation because what I'm actually saying is biblically irrefutable,

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I keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.
Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?

Essentials of the faith:
The deity of Christ. Jesus is God.
Salvation by grace.
Salvation through Jesus Christ alone.
The resurrection of Christ.

Nothing about which candidate you vote for

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But you don't believe in any of those things if you vote against your faith.
"Jesus is God!"
Oh? Then why don't you follow the Christian faith when voting? "Cuz salvation through Christ!"
Yes, but if you're not living according to Christ's teachings how can you say you actually have faith in those teachings? "Salvation by grace!"
Okay, so you're saying your actions are disconnected from your faith? Do you think God will buy that load of crap from you on judgement day?
"Salvation through Jesus Christ alone! The resurrection of Christ!"
Okay but you're not answering me, you're just repeating yourself and ignoring the fact that the Bible very clearly says faith without acts is dead.
"Solo Cristo!
Solo Gratia!
Solo Scriptura!"
Good talk. Thanks for participating.

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i keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.

Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?
What about a tax collector and a prostitute?

Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Faith is shown by your actions, not your ability to quote/copy and paste scripture. You can say you believe in Christ but if your actions say you're of this earth rather than merely in it then you're not living with faith. Voting in people who hate Christians and who promote and enable killing humans as healthcare is not living the faith.

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Where do you guys post the minutes of the local Pharisee meetings?

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Says the guy pushing the Disney version of Christianity...

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Nope,
Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

(look it up)

Can socialists and communists get to heaven?

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If they have recognized/stopped their sins and asked forgiveness, like any of us, then of course.

---

but not Democrats, communists, or socialists
What about Martin Luther & Huss?

Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

---

I know you want to pretend I've said democrats cannot ever attain salvation because what I'm actually saying is biblically irrefutable,

---

I keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.
Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?

Essentials of the faith:
The deity of Christ. Jesus is God.
Salvation by grace.
Salvation through Jesus Christ alone.
The resurrection of Christ.

Nothing about which candidate you vote for

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But you don't believe in any of those things if you vote against your faith.
"Jesus is God!"
Oh? Then why don't you follow the Christian faith when voting? "Cuz salvation through Christ!"
Yes, but if you're not living according to Christ's teachings how can you say you actually have faith in those teachings? "Salvation by grace!"
Okay, so you're saying your actions are disconnected from your faith? Do you think God will buy that load of crap from you on judgement day?
"Salvation through Jesus Christ alone! The resurrection of Christ!"
Okay but you're not answering me, you're just repeating yourself and ignoring the fact that the Bible very clearly says faith without acts is dead.
"Solo Cristo!
Solo Gratia!
Solo Scriptura!"
Good talk. Thanks for participating.

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i keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.

Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?
What about a tax collector and a prostitute?

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One cannot continue to choose to sin and call themselves a Christian. If you're actively voting for Democrats then no, your empowerment of anti-God, baby killing legislators is the antithesis of your purported faith. If you don't act according to the Christian faith then by definition you are not a bible believing Christian. As has been stated repeatedly in this thread, you CAN be a FORMER democrat and be saved. Once you stop committing the sin you can receive salvation. If you're still committing the sin while asking forgiveness it's obvious you aren't truly repentant. Well, obvious to everyone but you. John 8:11

Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Faith is shown by your actions, not your ability to quote/copy and paste scripture. You can say you believe in Christ but if your actions say you're of this earth rather than merely in it then you're not living with faith. Voting in people who hate Christians and who promote and enable killing humans as healthcare is not living the faith.

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Where do you guys post the minutes of the local Pharisee meetings?

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Says the guy pushing the Disney version of Christianity...

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Nope,
Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

(look it up)

Can socialists and communists get to heaven?

---

If they have recognized/stopped their sins and asked forgiveness, like any of us, then of course.

---

but not Democrats, communists, or socialists
What about Martin Luther & Huss?

Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

---

I know you want to pretend I've said democrats cannot ever attain salvation because what I'm actually saying is biblically irrefutable,

---

I keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.
Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?

Essentials of the faith:
The deity of Christ. Jesus is God.
Salvation by grace.
Salvation through Jesus Christ alone.
The resurrection of Christ.

Nothing about which candidate you vote for

---

But you don't believe in any of those things if you vote against your faith.
"Jesus is God!"
Oh? Then why don't you follow the Christian faith when voting? "Cuz salvation through Christ!"
Yes, but if you're not living according to Christ's teachings how can you say you actually have faith in those teachings? "Salvation by grace!"
Okay, so you're saying your actions are disconnected from your faith? Do you think God will buy that load of crap from you on judgement day?
"Salvation through Jesus Christ alone! The resurrection of Christ!"
Okay but you're not answering me, you're just repeating yourself and ignoring the fact that the Bible very clearly says faith without acts is dead.
"Solo Cristo!
Solo Gratia!
Solo Scriptura!"
Good talk. Thanks for participating.

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i keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.

Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?
What about a tax collector and a prostitute?

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One cannot continue to choose to sin and call themselves a Christian. If you're actively voting for Democrats then no, your empowerment of anti-God, baby killing legislators is the antithesis of your purported faith. If you don't act according to the Christian faith then by definition you are not a bible believing Christian. As has been stated repeatedly in this thread, you CAN be a FORMER democrat and be saved. Once you stop committing the sin you can receive salvation. If you're still committing the sin while asking forgiveness it's obvious you aren't truly repentant. Well, obvious to everyone but you. John 8:11

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Thank you for answering the question.
You're saying that voting for Democrats is the antithesis of the Christian faith and by definition such a person is not a bible believing Christian.
Voting for Democrats is a sin but it is a sin for which you can be forgiven and receive the gift of salvation.

Is this your belief?

Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Faith is shown by your actions, not your ability to quote/copy and paste scripture. You can say you believe in Christ but if your actions say you're of this earth rather than merely in it then you're not living with faith. Voting in people who hate Christians and who promote and enable killing humans as healthcare is not living the faith.

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Where do you guys post the minutes of the local Pharisee meetings?

---

Says the guy pushing the Disney version of Christianity...

---

Nope,
Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

(look it up)

Can socialists and communists get to heaven?

---

If they have recognized/stopped their sins and asked forgiveness, like any of us, then of course.

---

but not Democrats, communists, or socialists
What about Martin Luther & Huss?

Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

---

I know you want to pretend I've said democrats cannot ever attain salvation because what I'm actually saying is biblically irrefutable,

---

I keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.
Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?

Essentials of the faith:
The deity of Christ. Jesus is God.
Salvation by grace.
Salvation through Jesus Christ alone.
The resurrection of Christ.

Nothing about which candidate you vote for

---

But you don't believe in any of those things if you vote against your faith.
"Jesus is God!"
Oh? Then why don't you follow the Christian faith when voting? "Cuz salvation through Christ!"
Yes, but if you're not living according to Christ's teachings how can you say you actually have faith in those teachings? "Salvation by grace!"
Okay, so you're saying your actions are disconnected from your faith? Do you think God will buy that load of crap from you on judgement day?
"Salvation through Jesus Christ alone! The resurrection of Christ!"
Okay but you're not answering me, you're just repeating yourself and ignoring the fact that the Bible very clearly says faith without acts is dead.
"Solo Cristo!
Solo Gratia!
Solo Scriptura!"
Good talk. Thanks for participating.

---

i keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.

Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?
What about a tax collector and a prostitute?

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One cannot continue to choose to sin and call themselves a Christian. If you're actively voting for Democrats then no, your empowerment of anti-God, baby killing legislators is the antithesis of your purported faith. If you don't act according to the Christian faith then by definition you are not a bible believing Christian. As has been stated repeatedly in this thread, you CAN be a FORMER democrat and be saved. Once you stop committing the sin you can receive salvation. If you're still committing the sin while asking forgiveness it's obvious you aren't truly repentant. Well, obvious to everyone but you. John 8:11

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Thank you for answering the question.
You're saying that voting for Democrats is the antithesis of the Christian faith and by definition such a person is not a bible believing Christian.
Voting for Democrats is a sin but it is a sin for which you can be forgiven and receive the gift of salvation.

Is this your belief?

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Voting for people who promote sin as policy is empowering sin. Absolutely. You don't get to vote them into power and then wash your hands of the consequences, Pontius.

Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Faith is shown by your actions, not your ability to quote/copy and paste scripture. You can say you believe in Christ but if your actions say you're of this earth rather than merely in it then you're not living with faith. Voting in people who hate Christians and who promote and enable killing humans as healthcare is not living the faith.

---

Where do you guys post the minutes of the local Pharisee meetings?

---

Says the guy pushing the Disney version of Christianity...

---

Nope,
Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

(look it up)

Can socialists and communists get to heaven?

---

If they have recognized/stopped their sins and asked forgiveness, like any of us, then of course.

---

but not Democrats, communists, or socialists
What about Martin Luther & Huss?

Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

---

I know you want to pretend I've said democrats cannot ever attain salvation because what I'm actually saying is biblically irrefutable,

---

I keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.
Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?

Essentials of the faith:
The deity of Christ. Jesus is God.
Salvation by grace.
Salvation through Jesus Christ alone.
The resurrection of Christ.

Nothing about which candidate you vote for

---

But you don't believe in any of those things if you vote against your faith.
"Jesus is God!"
Oh? Then why don't you follow the Christian faith when voting? "Cuz salvation through Christ!"
Yes, but if you're not living according to Christ's teachings how can you say you actually have faith in those teachings? "Salvation by grace!"
Okay, so you're saying your actions are disconnected from your faith? Do you think God will buy that load of crap from you on judgement day?
"Salvation through Jesus Christ alone! The resurrection of Christ!"
Okay but you're not answering me, you're just repeating yourself and ignoring the fact that the Bible very clearly says faith without acts is dead.
"Solo Cristo!
Solo Gratia!
Solo Scriptura!"
Good talk. Thanks for participating.

---

i keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.

Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?
What about a tax collector and a prostitute?

---

One cannot continue to choose to sin and call themselves a Christian. If you're actively voting for Democrats then no, your empowerment of anti-God, baby killing legislators is the antithesis of your purported faith. If you don't act according to the Christian faith then by definition you are not a bible believing Christian. As has been stated repeatedly in this thread, you CAN be a FORMER democrat and be saved. Once you stop committing the sin you can receive salvation. If you're still committing the sin while asking forgiveness it's obvious you aren't truly repentant. Well, obvious to everyone but you. John 8:11

---

Thank you for answering the question.
You're saying that voting for Democrats is the antithesis of the Christian faith and by definition such a person is not a bible believing Christian.
Voting for Democrats is a sin but it is a sin for which you can be forgiven and receive the gift of salvation.

Is this your belief?

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Voting for people who promote sin as policy is empowering sin. Absolutely. You don't get to vote them into power and then wash your hands of the consequences, Pontius.

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What if a born again Christian was voting for Republicans and then starts voting for Democrats? Does he lose his salvation? If he then starts voting Republican does he regain his salvation?

Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Faith is shown by your actions, not your ability to quote/copy and paste scripture. You can say you believe in Christ but if your actions say you're of this earth rather than merely in it then you're not living with faith. Voting in people who hate Christians and who promote and enable killing humans as healthcare is not living the faith.

---

Where do you guys post the minutes of the local Pharisee meetings?

---

Says the guy pushing the Disney version of Christianity...

---

Nope,
Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

(look it up)

Can socialists and communists get to heaven?

---

If they have recognized/stopped their sins and asked forgiveness, like any of us, then of course.

---

but not Democrats, communists, or socialists
What about Martin Luther & Huss?

Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

---

I know you want to pretend I've said democrats cannot ever attain salvation because what I'm actually saying is biblically irrefutable,

---

I keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.
Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?

Essentials of the faith:
The deity of Christ. Jesus is God.
Salvation by grace.
Salvation through Jesus Christ alone.
The resurrection of Christ.

Nothing about which candidate you vote for

---

But you don't believe in any of those things if you vote against your faith.
"Jesus is God!"
Oh? Then why don't you follow the Christian faith when voting? "Cuz salvation through Christ!"
Yes, but if you're not living according to Christ's teachings how can you say you actually have faith in those teachings? "Salvation by grace!"
Okay, so you're saying your actions are disconnected from your faith? Do you think God will buy that load of crap from you on judgement day?
"Salvation through Jesus Christ alone! The resurrection of Christ!"
Okay but you're not answering me, you're just repeating yourself and ignoring the fact that the Bible very clearly says faith without acts is dead.
"Solo Cristo!
Solo Gratia!
Solo Scriptura!"
Good talk. Thanks for participating.

---

i keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.

Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?
What about a tax collector and a prostitute?

---

One cannot continue to choose to sin and call themselves a Christian. If you're actively voting for Democrats then no, your empowerment of anti-God, baby killing legislators is the antithesis of your purported faith. If you don't act according to the Christian faith then by definition you are not a bible believing Christian. As has been stated repeatedly in this thread, you CAN be a FORMER democrat and be saved. Once you stop committing the sin you can receive salvation. If you're still committing the sin while asking forgiveness it's obvious you aren't truly repentant. Well, obvious to everyone but you. John 8:11

---

Thank you for answering the question.
You're saying that voting for Democrats is the antithesis of the Christian faith and by definition such a person is not a bible believing Christian.
Voting for Democrats is a sin but it is a sin for which you can be forgiven and receive the gift of salvation.

Is this your belief?

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Voting for people who promote sin as policy is empowering sin. Absolutely. You don't get to vote them into power and then wash your hands of the consequences, Pontius.

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What if a born again Christian was voting for Republicans and then starts voting for Democrats? Does he lose his salvation? If he then starts voting Republican does he regain his salvation?

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You aren't really born again if you're knowingly committing sin. We know them by their fruits.

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This thread really makes Goldwater's quotes about mixing religion and politics sound prescient.

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise."

"There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me ... that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in A, B, C, and D. Just who do they think they are?"

That last part in bold is how a lot of people increasingly feel, especially after watching a bunch of "christians" support such obviously ungodly leaders and look down on others for not doing the same.

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"I'm frankly sick and tired of the bible telling me ... that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in A, B, C, and D. Just who do they think they are?" FIFY. Sorry you're upset that Christianity refuses to change according to the popular sentiments of the day.

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Faith is shown by your actions, not your ability to quote/copy and paste scripture. You can say you believe in Christ but if your actions say you're of this earth rather than merely in it then you're not living with faith. Voting in people who hate Christians and who promote and enable killing humans as healthcare is not living the faith.

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Where do you guys post the minutes of the local Pharisee meetings?

---

Says the guy pushing the Disney version of Christianity...

---

Nope,
Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

(look it up)

Can socialists and communists get to heaven?

---

If they have recognized/stopped their sins and asked forgiveness, like any of us, then of course.

---

but not Democrats, communists, or socialists
What about Martin Luther & Huss?

Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

---

I know you want to pretend I've said democrats cannot ever attain salvation because what I'm actually saying is biblically irrefutable,

---

I keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.
Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?

Essentials of the faith:
The deity of Christ. Jesus is God.
Salvation by grace.
Salvation through Jesus Christ alone.
The resurrection of Christ.

Nothing about which candidate you vote for

---

But you don't believe in any of those things if you vote against your faith.
"Jesus is God!"
Oh? Then why don't you follow the Christian faith when voting? "Cuz salvation through Christ!"
Yes, but if you're not living according to Christ's teachings how can you say you actually have faith in those teachings? "Salvation by grace!"
Okay, so you're saying your actions are disconnected from your faith? Do you think God will buy that load of crap from you on judgement day?
"Salvation through Jesus Christ alone! The resurrection of Christ!"
Okay but you're not answering me, you're just repeating yourself and ignoring the fact that the Bible very clearly says faith without acts is dead.
"Solo Cristo!
Solo Gratia!
Solo Scriptura!"
Good talk. Thanks for participating.

---

i keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.

Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?
What about a tax collector and a prostitute?

---

One cannot continue to choose to sin and call themselves a Christian. If you're actively voting for Democrats then no, your empowerment of anti-God, baby killing legislators is the antithesis of your purported faith. If you don't act according to the Christian faith then by definition you are not a bible believing Christian. As has been stated repeatedly in this thread, you CAN be a FORMER democrat and be saved. Once you stop committing the sin you can receive salvation. If you're still committing the sin while asking forgiveness it's obvious you aren't truly repentant. Well, obvious to everyone but you. John 8:11

---

Thank you for answering the question.
You're saying that voting for Democrats is the antithesis of the Christian faith and by definition such a person is not a bible believing Christian.
Voting for Democrats is a sin but it is a sin for which you can be forgiven and receive the gift of salvation.

Is this your belief?

---

Voting for people who promote sin as policy is empowering sin. Absolutely. You don't get to vote them into power and then wash your hands of the consequences, Pontius.

---

What if a born again Christian was voting for Republicans and then starts voting for Democrats? Does he lose his salvation? If he then starts voting Republican does he regain his salvation?

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You aren't really born again if you're knowingly committing sin. We know them by their fruits.

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Was he saved when he was voting Republican the first time (before he started voting Democrat)?

Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Faith is shown by your actions, not your ability to quote/copy and paste scripture. You can say you believe in Christ but if your actions say you're of this earth rather than merely in it then you're not living with faith. Voting in people who hate Christians and who promote and enable killing humans as healthcare is not living the faith.

---

Where do you guys post the minutes of the local Pharisee meetings?

---

Says the guy pushing the Disney version of Christianity...

---

Nope,
Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

(look it up)

Can socialists and communists get to heaven?

---

If they have recognized/stopped their sins and asked forgiveness, like any of us, then of course.

---

but not Democrats, communists, or socialists
What about Martin Luther & Huss?

Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

---

I know you want to pretend I've said democrats cannot ever attain salvation because what I'm actually saying is biblically irrefutable,

---

I keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.
Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?

Essentials of the faith:
The deity of Christ. Jesus is God.
Salvation by grace.
Salvation through Jesus Christ alone.
The resurrection of Christ.

Nothing about which candidate you vote for

---

But you don't believe in any of those things if you vote against your faith.
"Jesus is God!"
Oh? Then why don't you follow the Christian faith when voting? "Cuz salvation through Christ!"
Yes, but if you're not living according to Christ's teachings how can you say you actually have faith in those teachings? "Salvation by grace!"
Okay, so you're saying your actions are disconnected from your faith? Do you think God will buy that load of crap from you on judgement day?
"Salvation through Jesus Christ alone! The resurrection of Christ!"
Okay but you're not answering me, you're just repeating yourself and ignoring the fact that the Bible very clearly says faith without acts is dead.
"Solo Cristo!
Solo Gratia!
Solo Scriptura!"
Good talk. Thanks for participating.

---

i keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.

Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?
What about a tax collector and a prostitute?

---

One cannot continue to choose to sin and call themselves a Christian. If you're actively voting for Democrats then no, your empowerment of anti-God, baby killing legislators is the antithesis of your purported faith. If you don't act according to the Christian faith then by definition you are not a bible believing Christian. As has been stated repeatedly in this thread, you CAN be a FORMER democrat and be saved. Once you stop committing the sin you can receive salvation. If you're still committing the sin while asking forgiveness it's obvious you aren't truly repentant. Well, obvious to everyone but you. John 8:11

---

Thank you for answering the question.
You're saying that voting for Democrats is the antithesis of the Christian faith and by definition such a person is not a bible believing Christian.
Voting for Democrats is a sin but it is a sin for which you can be forgiven and receive the gift of salvation.

Is this your belief?

---

Voting for people who promote sin as policy is empowering sin. Absolutely. You don't get to vote them into power and then wash your hands of the consequences, Pontius.

---

What if a born again Christian was voting for Republicans and then starts voting for Democrats? Does he lose his salvation? If he then starts voting Republican does he regain his salvation?

---

You aren't really born again if you're knowingly committing sin. We know them by their fruits.

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Was he saved when he was voting Republican the first time (before he started voting Democrat)?

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Is an ex con who found Jesus in prison and was born again still saved if he goes on a killing spree after being released?

I think the mistake you're making is the assumption that your interpretation of "the bible" is somehow authoritative. For you, abortion is almost everything, even though to my knowledge it's not something specifically prohibited (or even discussed really) in the Bible.

Using that same logical flow: feeding and providing for the poor was a big priority for Jesus, and he seemed pretty explicitly distrustful of people with vast wealth. It's not a huge leap from that to the Democratic policy platform, but you don't see a lot of people saying you aren't actually a Christian if you vote against that stuff (as Republicans typically do).

And again, y'all have chosen as your avatar someone who is probably the worst example humanly possible, and I think you underestimate how much of a turn off that is for a lot of people. It's one thing to preach morality at people, it's a whole other ballgame to do that while also lining up to staunchly support some wildly amoral leaders...and against Joe Biden of all people, a devoted Catholic who attended the same church for decades. Y'all have twisted things so thoroughly that voting for the guy who attends church like clockwork against the amoral grifter is somehow viewed a sin without a hint of irony or self-reflection.

"and against Joe Biden of all people, a devoted Catholic who attended the same church for decades. Y'all have twisted things so thoroughly that voting for the guy who attends church like clockwork against the amoral grifter is somehow viewed a sin without a hint of irony or self-reflection."

Now that is hilarious .Biden claims he grew up in the black church. And he also claims he grew up going regularly to Shul. He claims all manner of things as he feels the moment demands. He promotes sexual deviancy and the murder of tens of millions of humans in the name of "women's health". Yes, abortion is killing a human. The idea that killing a human being is considered a sin is not something I inferred from esoteric parables in the Bible, it's an explicit commandment made very clear for all.

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Faith is shown by your actions, not your ability to quote/copy and paste scripture. You can say you believe in Christ but if your actions say you're of this earth rather than merely in it then you're not living with faith. Voting in people who hate Christians and who promote and enable killing humans as healthcare is not living the faith.

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Where do you guys post the minutes of the local Pharisee meetings?

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Says the guy pushing the Disney version of Christianity...

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Nope,
Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

(look it up)

Can socialists and communists get to heaven?

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If they have recognized/stopped their sins and asked forgiveness, like any of us, then of course.

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but not Democrats, communists, or socialists
What about Martin Luther & Huss?

Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

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I know you want to pretend I've said democrats cannot ever attain salvation because what I'm actually saying is biblically irrefutable,

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I keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.
Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?

Essentials of the faith:
The deity of Christ. Jesus is God.
Salvation by grace.
Salvation through Jesus Christ alone.
The resurrection of Christ.

Nothing about which candidate you vote for

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But you don't believe in any of those things if you vote against your faith.
"Jesus is God!"
Oh? Then why don't you follow the Christian faith when voting? "Cuz salvation through Christ!"
Yes, but if you're not living according to Christ's teachings how can you say you actually have faith in those teachings? "Salvation by grace!"
Okay, so you're saying your actions are disconnected from your faith? Do you think God will buy that load of crap from you on judgement day?
"Salvation through Jesus Christ alone! The resurrection of Christ!"
Okay but you're not answering me, you're just repeating yourself and ignoring the fact that the Bible very clearly says faith without acts is dead.
"Solo Cristo!
Solo Gratia!
Solo Scriptura!"
Good talk. Thanks for participating.

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i keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.

Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?
What about a tax collector and a prostitute?

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One cannot continue to choose to sin and call themselves a Christian. If you're actively voting for Democrats then no, your empowerment of anti-God, baby killing legislators is the antithesis of your purported faith. If you don't act according to the Christian faith then by definition you are not a bible believing Christian. As has been stated repeatedly in this thread, you CAN be a FORMER democrat and be saved. Once you stop committing the sin you can receive salvation. If you're still committing the sin while asking forgiveness it's obvious you aren't truly repentant. Well, obvious to everyone but you. John 8:11

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Thank you for answering the question.
You're saying that voting for Democrats is the antithesis of the Christian faith and by definition such a person is not a bible believing Christian.
Voting for Democrats is a sin but it is a sin for which you can be forgiven and receive the gift of salvation.

Is this your belief?

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Voting for people who promote sin as policy is empowering sin. Absolutely. You don't get to vote them into power and then wash your hands of the consequences, Pontius.

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What if a born again Christian was voting for Republicans and then starts voting for Democrats? Does he lose his salvation? If he then starts voting Republican does he regain his salvation?

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You aren't really born again if you're knowingly committing sin. We know them by their fruits.

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Was he saved when he was voting Republican the first time (before he started voting Democrat)?

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Is an ex con who found Jesus in prison and was born again still saved if he goes on a killing spree after being released?

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Depends on his heart

All I know is Wang and his Ilk scare me to death!

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Faith is shown by your actions, not your ability to quote/copy and paste scripture. You can say you believe in Christ but if your actions say you're of this earth rather than merely in it then you're not living with faith. Voting in people who hate Christians and who promote and enable killing humans as healthcare is not living the faith.

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Where do you guys post the minutes of the local Pharisee meetings?

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Says the guy pushing the Disney version of Christianity...

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Nope,
Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

(look it up)

Can socialists and communists get to heaven?

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If they have recognized/stopped their sins and asked forgiveness, like any of us, then of course.

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but not Democrats, communists, or socialists
What about Martin Luther & Huss?

Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

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I know you want to pretend I've said democrats cannot ever attain salvation because what I'm actually saying is biblically irrefutable,

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I keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.
Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?

Essentials of the faith:
The deity of Christ. Jesus is God.
Salvation by grace.
Salvation through Jesus Christ alone.
The resurrection of Christ.

Nothing about which candidate you vote for

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But you don't believe in any of those things if you vote against your faith.
"Jesus is God!"
Oh? Then why don't you follow the Christian faith when voting? "Cuz salvation through Christ!"
Yes, but if you're not living according to Christ's teachings how can you say you actually have faith in those teachings? "Salvation by grace!"
Okay, so you're saying your actions are disconnected from your faith? Do you think God will buy that load of crap from you on judgement day?
"Salvation through Jesus Christ alone! The resurrection of Christ!"
Okay but you're not answering me, you're just repeating yourself and ignoring the fact that the Bible very clearly says faith without acts is dead.
"Solo Cristo!
Solo Gratia!
Solo Scriptura!"
Good talk. Thanks for participating.

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i keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.

Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?
What about a tax collector and a prostitute?

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One cannot continue to choose to sin and call themselves a Christian. If you're actively voting for Democrats then no, your empowerment of anti-God, baby killing legislators is the antithesis of your purported faith. If you don't act according to the Christian faith then by definition you are not a bible believing Christian. As has been stated repeatedly in this thread, you CAN be a FORMER democrat and be saved. Once you stop committing the sin you can receive salvation. If you're still committing the sin while asking forgiveness it's obvious you aren't truly repentant. Well, obvious to everyone but you. John 8:11

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Thank you for answering the question.
You're saying that voting for Democrats is the antithesis of the Christian faith and by definition such a person is not a bible believing Christian.
Voting for Democrats is a sin but it is a sin for which you can be forgiven and receive the gift of salvation.

Is this your belief?

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Voting for people who promote sin as policy is empowering sin. Absolutely. You don't get to vote them into power and then wash your hands of the consequences, Pontius.

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What if a born again Christian was voting for Republicans and then starts voting for Democrats? Does he lose his salvation? If he then starts voting Republican does he regain his salvation?

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You aren't really born again if you're knowingly committing sin. We know them by their fruits.

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Was he saved when he was voting Republican the first time (before he started voting Democrat)?

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Is an ex con who found Jesus in prison and was born again still saved if he goes on a killing spree after being released?

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Depends on his heart

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So if he feels really really bad about each of his victims every time he kills a new one he is still saved?

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It's not us you need fear. You and your hubris are your own worst enemy.

"Yes, abortion is killing a human."

Well that's interesting, because the only instance I'm aware of in the Bible dealing with the death of an unborn child is in Exodus. And in that passage, it says if a man strikes a woman and causes the death of her unborn child, the penalty is only a fine. But of course the penalty for killing another person is death. The disconnect should be obvious.

And that's my point, your interpretation is your interpretation, and frankly it's one that isn't explicitly supported by the text you claim to adhere to. Making blanket statements about whole classes of people because they don't agree with your interpretation of things a lot of people don't believe in anyway is not helpful, it's just being stubborn.

All I'm saying is things are not as black and white as you portray, and you are not infallible (nobody is).

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"Yes, abortion is killing a human."

Well that's interesting, because the only instance I'm aware of in the Bible dealing with the death of an unborn child is in Exodus. And in that passage, it says if a man strikes a woman and causes the death of her unborn child, the penalty is only a fine. But of course the penalty for killing another person is death. The disconnect should be obvious.

And that's my point, your interpretation is your interpretation, and frankly it's one that isn't explicitly supported by the text you claim to adhere to. Making blanket statements about whole classes of people because they don't agree with your interpretation of things a lot of people don't believe in anyway is not helpful, it's just being stubborn.

All I'm saying is things are not as black and white as you portray, and you are not infallible (nobody is).

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As someone burdened by an understanding of biology I can easily point out that we now know that life begins at the moment of conception. Left alone after conception most humans grow to be geriatric old people. You can't feign ignorance in the face of God.
"Technically, we didn't consider it life until..."
Wait, you knew they were humans but pretended otherwise to justify killing tens of millions of them?
"Yeah, but it's the women's decision!"
But you knew, right?"
Well, yeah but admitting that's what we called controlling women!"
But you knew.
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Yeah.

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That's an understatement. But I don't continue to sin and pretend it's kosher. Once sinful behavior is identified I work to correct it. Continuing to use your vote to empower evil people who show outright hostility towards Christianity and certain skin tones is the opposite of that.

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That's an understatement. But I don't continue to sin and pretend it's kosher. Once sinful behavior is identified I work to correct it. Continuing to use your vote to empower evil people who show outright hostility towards Christianity and certain skin tones is the opposite of that.

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Don't we all sin continuously? Are your sins less bad than a voting Democrat?
If you feel really really bad about each time you sin are you still saved?

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Faith is shown by your actions, not your ability to quote/copy and paste scripture. You can say you believe in Christ but if your actions say you're of this earth rather than merely in it then you're not living with faith. Voting in people who hate Christians and who promote and enable killing humans as healthcare is not living the faith.

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Where do you guys post the minutes of the local Pharisee meetings?

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Says the guy pushing the Disney version of Christianity...

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Nope,
Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

(look it up)

Can socialists and communists get to heaven?

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If they have recognized/stopped their sins and asked forgiveness, like any of us, then of course.

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but not Democrats, communists, or socialists
What about Martin Luther & Huss?

Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

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I know you want to pretend I've said democrats cannot ever attain salvation because what I'm actually saying is biblically irrefutable,

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I keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.
Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?

Essentials of the faith:
The deity of Christ. Jesus is God.
Salvation by grace.
Salvation through Jesus Christ alone.
The resurrection of Christ.

Nothing about which candidate you vote for

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But you don't believe in any of those things if you vote against your faith.
"Jesus is God!"
Oh? Then why don't you follow the Christian faith when voting? "Cuz salvation through Christ!"
Yes, but if you're not living according to Christ's teachings how can you say you actually have faith in those teachings? "Salvation by grace!"
Okay, so you're saying your actions are disconnected from your faith? Do you think God will buy that load of crap from you on judgement day?
"Salvation through Jesus Christ alone! The resurrection of Christ!"
Okay but you're not answering me, you're just repeating yourself and ignoring the fact that the Bible very clearly says faith without acts is dead.
"Solo Cristo!
Solo Gratia!
Solo Scriptura!"
Good talk. Thanks for participating.

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i keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.

Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?
What about a tax collector and a prostitute?

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One cannot continue to choose to sin and call themselves a Christian. If you're actively voting for Democrats then no, your empowerment of anti-God, baby killing legislators is the antithesis of your purported faith. If you don't act according to the Christian faith then by definition you are not a bible believing Christian. As has been stated repeatedly in this thread, you CAN be a FORMER democrat and be saved. Once you stop committing the sin you can receive salvation. If you're still committing the sin while asking forgiveness it's obvious you aren't truly repentant. Well, obvious to everyone but you. John 8:11

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Thank you for answering the question.
You're saying that voting for Democrats is the antithesis of the Christian faith and by definition such a person is not a bible believing Christian.
Voting for Democrats is a sin but it is a sin for which you can be forgiven and receive the gift of salvation.

Is this your belief?

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Voting for people who promote sin as policy is empowering sin. Absolutely. You don't get to vote them into power and then wash your hands of the consequences, Pontius.

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What if a born again Christian was voting for Republicans and then starts voting for Democrats? Does he lose his salvation? If he then starts voting Republican does he regain his salvation?

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You aren't really born again if you're knowingly committing sin. We know them by their fruits.

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We all sin, including you. Does that mean you aren't really born again? After all, we know you by your fruit

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Faith is shown by your actions, not your ability to quote/copy and paste scripture. You can say you believe in Christ but if your actions say you're of this earth rather than merely in it then you're not living with faith. Voting in people who hate Christians and who promote and enable killing humans as healthcare is not living the faith.

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Where do you guys post the minutes of the local Pharisee meetings?

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Says the guy pushing the Disney version of Christianity...

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Nope,
Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

(look it up)

Can socialists and communists get to heaven?

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If they have recognized/stopped their sins and asked forgiveness, like any of us, then of course.

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but not Democrats, communists, or socialists
What about Martin Luther & Huss?

Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

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I know you want to pretend I've said democrats cannot ever attain salvation because what I'm actually saying is biblically irrefutable,

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I keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.
Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?

Essentials of the faith:
The deity of Christ. Jesus is God.
Salvation by grace.
Salvation through Jesus Christ alone.
The resurrection of Christ.

Nothing about which candidate you vote for

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But you don't believe in any of those things if you vote against your faith.
"Jesus is God!"
Oh? Then why don't you follow the Christian faith when voting? "Cuz salvation through Christ!"
Yes, but if you're not living according to Christ's teachings how can you say you actually have faith in those teachings? "Salvation by grace!"
Okay, so you're saying your actions are disconnected from your faith? Do you think God will buy that load of crap from you on judgement day?
"Salvation through Jesus Christ alone! The resurrection of Christ!"
Okay but you're not answering me, you're just repeating yourself and ignoring the fact that the Bible very clearly says faith without acts is dead.
"Solo Cristo!
Solo Gratia!
Solo Scriptura!"
Good talk. Thanks for participating.

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i keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.

Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?
What about a tax collector and a prostitute?

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One cannot continue to choose to sin and call themselves a Christian. If you're actively voting for Democrats then no, your empowerment of anti-God, baby killing legislators is the antithesis of your purported faith. If you don't act according to the Christian faith then by definition you are not a bible believing Christian. As has been stated repeatedly in this thread, you CAN be a FORMER democrat and be saved. Once you stop committing the sin you can receive salvation. If you're still committing the sin while asking forgiveness it's obvious you aren't truly repentant. Well, obvious to everyone but you. John 8:11

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Thank you for answering the question.
You're saying that voting for Democrats is the antithesis of the Christian faith and by definition such a person is not a bible believing Christian.
Voting for Democrats is a sin but it is a sin for which you can be forgiven and receive the gift of salvation.

Is this your belief?

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Voting for people who promote sin as policy is empowering sin. Absolutely. You don't get to vote them into power and then wash your hands of the consequences, Pontius.

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What if a born again Christian was voting for Republicans and then starts voting for Democrats? Does he lose his salvation? If he then starts voting Republican does he regain his salvation?

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You aren't really born again if you're knowingly committing sin. We know them by their fruits.

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We all sin, including you. Does that mean you aren't really born again? After all, we know you by your fruit

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There is intentionally sinning, such as voting to empower people who will legalize killing the unborn and promote every deviance anyone can imagine etc, and then there is the unintended sin, like coveting, pride, taking the lords name in vain, etc. that can happen accidentally. I know that's sure to upset the "Disney Jesus" crowd who thinks Christianity is showing up on Sunday to clap with the band and sing along with other people and then head on out the doors
to do whatever they feel like for the next 6 days, but as has been pointed out ad nauseam, faith, just like love, is what you do, not just what you say.

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That's an understatement. But I don't continue to sin and pretend it's kosher. Once sinful behavior is identified I work to correct it. Continuing to use your vote to empower evil people who show outright hostility towards Christianity and certain skin tones is the opposite of that.

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Don't we all sin continuously? Are your sins less bad than a voting Democrat?
If you feel really really bad about each time you sin are you still saved?

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None of my sins helped kill 65,000,000+ Americans since the 1970s. How about you?

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That's an understatement. But I don't continue to sin and pretend it's kosher. Once sinful behavior is identified I work to correct it. Continuing to use your vote to empower evil people who show outright hostility towards Christianity and certain skin tones is the opposite of that.

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Don't we all sin continuously? Are your sins less bad than a voting Democrat?
If you feel really really bad about each time you sin are you still saved?

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None of my sins helped kill 65,000,000+ Americans since the 1970s. How about you?

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If I vote ProLife am I saved?
If I don't am I damned?

"By Grace you are saved (if you vote right)"

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It's really very simple. If you sin, know you're sinning and CONTINUE TO SIN then you have not repented and cannot be forgiven for your sinning. Without TRUE repentance you're only fooling yourself. God isn't fooled.

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How can you show you're truly repentant if you're continuing to sin? It's like being late for work. Your boss confronts you and you apologize, say you hate being late, it won't happen again. But the next day you're late again. And the next, and the next and the next because you don't actually care about being late. Your ACTIONS tell the truth of what is in your heart, not your words. To continue the sin for which you've asked forgiveness for is to show you don't actually seek forgiveness but permission through trite "I'm sorry!" prayers.

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Abut are you saying that voting for a Democrat is a sin? If so, you are adding works to the Gospel.

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Alistair has no idea what was said to the thief on the cross in the afterlife. You're literally advocating bumper sticker Christianity. "I don't have to live as a Christian because Christ died for my sins! It's a free pass to live as I desire!"

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Not according to Wang

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Not according to the gospels. They don't say you can do and say what you want because you're saved.

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This thread really makes Goldwater's quotes about mixing religion and politics sound prescient.

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise."

"There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me ... that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in A, B, C, and D. Just who do they think they are?"

That last part in bold is how a lot of people increasingly feel, especially after watching a bunch of "christians" support such obviously ungodly leaders and look down on others for not doing the same.

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Goldwater was mistaken about a lot of things and this is but one example. The idea that people can divorce and separate their deeply-held religious beliefs from their political beliefs is absurd. Scripture makes clear that our faith and salvation should affect everyone aspect of our lives. The idea that one can have deeply held belief and then vote for policies that are the antithesis of those beliefs defies logic.

Goldwater wasn't a religious guy. I suspect that explains his ignorance on this subject.

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I think the mistake you're making is the assumption that your interpretation of "the bible" is somehow authoritative. For you, abortion is almost everything, even though to my knowledge it's not something specifically prohibited (or even discussed really) in the Bible.

Using that same logical flow: feeding and providing for the poor was a big priority for Jesus, and he seemed pretty explicitly distrustful of people with vast wealth. It's not a huge leap from that to the Democratic policy platform, but you don't see a lot of people saying you aren't actually a Christian if you vote against that stuff (as Republicans typically do).

And again, y'all have chosen as your avatar someone who is probably the worst example humanly possible, and I think you underestimate how much of a turn off that is for a lot of people. It's one thing to preach morality at people, it's a whole other ballgame to do that while also lining up to staunchly support some wildly amoral leaders...and against Joe Biden of all people, a devoted Catholic who attended the same church for decades. Y'all have twisted things so thoroughly that voting for the guy who attends church like clockwork against the amoral grifter is somehow viewed a sin without a hint of irony or self-reflection.

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You're making the mistake a lot of non-believers make about assuming faith based on church attendance. Scripture warns us against that assumption. There's little if any evidence Biden is actually a Christian based on his moral stances and policy positions, many of which are diametrically opposed to his purported Catholicism.

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Faith is shown by your actions, not your ability to quote/copy and paste scripture. You can say you believe in Christ but if your actions say you're of this earth rather than merely in it then you're not living with faith. Voting in people who hate Christians and who promote and enable killing humans as healthcare is not living the faith.

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Where do you guys post the minutes of the local Pharisee meetings?

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Says the guy pushing the Disney version of Christianity...

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Nope,
Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

(look it up)

Can socialists and communists get to heaven?

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If they have recognized/stopped their sins and asked forgiveness, like any of us, then of course.

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but not Democrats, communists, or socialists
What about Martin Luther & Huss?

Solo Cristo
Solo Gratia
Solo Scriptura

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I know you want to pretend I've said democrats cannot ever attain salvation because what I'm actually saying is biblically irrefutable,

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I keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.
Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?

Essentials of the faith:
The deity of Christ. Jesus is God.
Salvation by grace.
Salvation through Jesus Christ alone.
The resurrection of Christ.

Nothing about which candidate you vote for

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But you don't believe in any of those things if you vote against your faith.
"Jesus is God!"
Oh? Then why don't you follow the Christian faith when voting? "Cuz salvation through Christ!"
Yes, but if you're not living according to Christ's teachings how can you say you actually have faith in those teachings? "Salvation by grace!"
Okay, so you're saying your actions are disconnected from your faith? Do you think God will buy that load of crap from you on judgement day?
"Salvation through Jesus Christ alone! The resurrection of Christ!"
Okay but you're not answering me, you're just repeating yourself and ignoring the fact that the Bible very clearly says faith without acts is dead.
"Solo Cristo!
Solo Gratia!
Solo Scriptura!"
Good talk. Thanks for participating.

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i keep asking the question, but you won't answer. Let's try again.

Can Democrats be Bible believing Christians?
What about a tax collector and a prostitute?

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One cannot continue to choose to sin and call themselves a Christian. If you're actively voting for Democrats then no, your empowerment of anti-God, baby killing legislators is the antithesis of your purported faith. If you don't act according to the Christian faith then by definition you are not a bible believing Christian. As has been stated repeatedly in this thread, you CAN be a FORMER democrat and be saved. Once you stop committing the sin you can receive salvation. If you're still committing the sin while asking forgiveness it's obvious you aren't truly repentant. Well, obvious to everyone but you. John 8:11

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Thank you for answering the question.
You're saying that voting for Democrats is the antithesis of the Christian faith and by definition such a person is not a bible believing Christian.
Voting for Democrats is a sin but it is a sin for which you can be forgiven and receive the gift of salvation.

Is this your belief?

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Voting for people who promote sin as policy is empowering sin. Absolutely. You don't get to vote them into power and then wash your hands of the consequences, Pontius.

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What if a born again Christian was voting for Republicans and then starts voting for Democrats? Does he lose his salvation? If he then starts voting Republican does he regain his salvation?

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You aren't really born again if you're knowingly committing sin. We know them by their fruits.

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Was he saved when he was voting Republican the first time (before he started voting Democrat)?

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Is an ex con who found Jesus in prison and was born again still saved if he goes on a killing spree after being released?

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Depends on his heart

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Did you know scripture tells us we can know a man's heart by his work and fruits?

2 Corinthians 5:17

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!

1 John 1:6-7

If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

1 Peter 1:16

...since it is written, "You shall be holy, for I am holy."

2 Peter 2:1-3

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

1 John 3:4-10

Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

Wangchung said:

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HuMcK said:

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This thread really makes Goldwater's quotes about mixing religion and politics sound prescient.

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise."

"There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me ... that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in A, B, C, and D. Just who do they think they are?"

That last part in bold is how a lot of people increasingly feel, especially after watching a bunch of "christians" support such obviously ungodly leaders and look down on others for not doing the same.

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"I'm frankly sick and tired of the bible telling me ... that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in A, B, C, and D. Just who do they think they are?" FIFY. Sorry you're upset that Christianity refuses to change according to the popular sentiments of the day.

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The difference is the Bible is a love letter towards a human seeking a personal connection with God. The United States government is not an eternal religion with law and tenet set in stone, it is an ever changing mechanism that we hope allows many of different faiths to live together. To think that the government's job is to parrot what the Bible says about right and wrong... the conservatives truly brain wash like Champs.

Porteroso said:

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Wangchung said:

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HuMcK said:

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This thread really makes Goldwater's quotes about mixing religion and politics sound prescient.

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise."

"There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me ... that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in A, B, C, and D. Just who do they think they are?"

That last part in bold is how a lot of people increasingly feel, especially after watching a bunch of "christians" support such obviously ungodly leaders and look down on others for not doing the same.

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"I'm frankly sick and tired of the bible telling me ... that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in A, B, C, and D. Just who do they think they are?" FIFY. Sorry you're upset that Christianity refuses to change according to the popular sentiments of the day.

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The difference is the Bible is a love letter towards a human seeking a personal connection with God. The United States government is not an eternal religion with law and tenet set in stone, it is an ever changing mechanism that we hope allows many of different faiths to live together. To think that the government's job is to parrot what the Bible says about right and wrong... the conservatives truly brain wash like Champs.

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So basically you're against murder laws. Got it. It must be very oppressive living under such burdensome laws based on religious texts...

Wangchung said:

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Porteroso said:

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Wangchung said:

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HuMcK said:

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This thread really makes Goldwater's quotes about mixing religion and politics sound prescient.

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise."

"There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me ... that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in A, B, C, and D. Just who do they think they are?"

That last part in bold is how a lot of people increasingly feel, especially after watching a bunch of "christians" support such obviously ungodly leaders and look down on others for not doing the same.

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"I'm frankly sick and tired of the bible telling me ... that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in A, B, C, and D. Just who do they think they are?" FIFY. Sorry you're upset that Christianity refuses to change according to the popular sentiments of the day.

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The difference is the Bible is a love letter towards a human seeking a personal connection with God. The United States government is not an eternal religion with law and tenet set in stone, it is an ever changing mechanism that we hope allows many of different faiths to live together. To think that the government's job is to parrot what the Bible says about right and wrong... the conservatives truly brain wash like Champs.

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So basically you're against murder laws. Got it. It must be very oppressive living under such burdensome laws based on religious texts...

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Oh right its only Christians that don't want murder i forgot everyone else loves it.

Porteroso said:

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Wangchung said:

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Porteroso said:

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Wangchung said:

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HuMcK said:

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This thread really makes Goldwater's quotes about mixing religion and politics sound prescient.

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise."

"There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me ... that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in A, B, C, and D. Just who do they think they are?"

That last part in bold is how a lot of people increasingly feel, especially after watching a bunch of "christians" support such obviously ungodly leaders and look down on others for not doing the same.

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"I'm frankly sick and tired of the bible telling me ... that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in A, B, C, and D. Just who do they think they are?" FIFY. Sorry you're upset that Christianity refuses to change according to the popular sentiments of the day.

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The difference is the Bible is a love letter towards a human seeking a personal connection with God. The United States government is not an eternal religion with law and tenet set in stone, it is an ever changing mechanism that we hope allows many of different faiths to live together. To think that the government's job is to parrot what the Bible says about right and wrong... the conservatives truly brain wash like Champs.

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So basically you're against murder laws. Got it. It must be very oppressive living under such burdensome laws based on religious texts...

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Oh right its only Christians that don't want murder i forgot everyone else loves it.

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It's okay, all those other religions are just as valid as Christianity! The Bible is just a love note tucked into our lunchbox from God, not instructions on how to live! It's merely suggestions, so live free and do whatever makes you feel good! Mickey Mou...I mean Jesus says everything is good and that sin is just a brainwashing concept that only Conservatives promote as a means to control people! It's right there in the Gospels of Madeupbull****, chapter 2 ver 1!

Wangchung said:

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HuMcK said:

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... and you are not infallible (nobody is).

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That's an understatement. But I don't continue to sin and pretend it's kosher. Once sinful behavior is identified I work to correct it. Continuing to use your vote to empower evil people who show outright hostility towards Christianity and certain skin tones is the opposite of that.

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Kosher? You don't know much about religion, do you?

J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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HuMcK said:

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... and you are not infallible (nobody is).

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That's an understatement. But I don't continue to sin and pretend it's kosher. Once sinful behavior is identified I work to correct it. Continuing to use your vote to empower evil people who show outright hostility towards Christianity and certain skin tones is the opposite of that.

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Kosher? You don't know much about religion, do you?

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That's was a little joke I threw in there. Surprised it took this long for someone to catch it.

Wangchung said:

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Porteroso said:

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Wangchung said:

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Porteroso said:

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Wangchung said:

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HuMcK said:

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This thread really makes Goldwater's quotes about mixing religion and politics sound prescient.

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise."

"There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me ... that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in A, B, C, and D. Just who do they think they are?"

That last part in bold is how a lot of people increasingly feel, especially after watching a bunch of "christians" support such obviously ungodly leaders and look down on others for not doing the same.

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"I'm frankly sick and tired of the bible telling me ... that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in A, B, C, and D. Just who do they think they are?" FIFY. Sorry you're upset that Christianity refuses to change according to the popular sentiments of the day.

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The difference is the Bible is a love letter towards a human seeking a personal connection with God. The United States government is not an eternal religion with law and tenet set in stone, it is an ever changing mechanism that we hope allows many of different faiths to live together. To think that the government's job is to parrot what the Bible says about right and wrong... the conservatives truly brain wash like Champs.

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So basically you're against murder laws. Got it. It must be very oppressive living under such burdensome laws based on religious texts...

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Oh right its only Christians that don't want murder i forgot everyone else loves it.

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It's okay, all those other religions are just as valid as Christianity! The Bible is just a love note tucked into our lunchbox from God, not instructions on how to live! It's merely suggestions, so live free and do whatever makes you feel good! Mickey Mou...I mean Jesus says everything is good and that sin is just a brainwashing concept that only Conservatives promote as a means to control people! It's right there in the Gospels of Madeupbull****, chapter 2 ver 1!

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So Dr. Wang...Do you believe, that people who do not identify as "Christian" are all relegated to Hell? Do you believe that "Christians" have it ALL right and others do not?