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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

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You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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I hear ya on the Dem's position. That is why I'm no Democrat

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Because that would violate your Christian faith? Welcome to under the rock I crawled out from. Lol

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Nope, here is the big difference between us and many on this board. I'm able to separate religion and politics.

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I assumed you identified as a Christian, my apologies.

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See this is the issue. I do identify as a Christian, but Christian and Republican could not be more different. You ok with Queen Lindsey Graham (Trump suck up..pardon the pun). George whomever is an R. Does he lead a Christlike existence. Grow up, get out of your comfort zone, trace, understand people.

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If one is truly Christian, it would be impossible to remove that hat in any area of your life. It should affect every decision you make - especially how you vote. We cannot put aside our identify in Christ, nor should we try.

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again, I don't mix politics and religion. That is problematic to me.

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I am not sure what that means. Do you mean you don't let your deeply held religious beliefs influence your vote? If so, how do you decide what candidates to vote for?

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I vote my wallet, mostly! It's helpful not to have a morally bankrupt candidate, however. Getting harder to find as the far right is running the R's show and the R's just can't get any qualified candidates that are not kooks. It is a sad, sad state of affairs relative to whom both parties put out there. Give me some smart, business oriented people or governors that know how to run things and maintain a sense of dignity. Romney, Thune, Cheney, Larry Hogan ect. And stop with the Rino crap. I personally would much rather have folks like that than you nuts like Trump, Jim Jordan, Rand Paul et. al. That is just where I am. Those folks are talented and moderate (which we need more of , not the FRNJ fringe.

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Apparently, not a big fan of the Big Orange, per the depositions of Tucker, Hannity, and that Shrew Ingram and Murdock himself! Tucker really hates the Trumps, which is what we call a ***** where I come from.
Trumps about ready to turn his guns on these folks. Kinda loosing his platform.

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all news networks now are bad, but Fox is the worst and most pathetic. But they know how stupidly blind the Trumpers are so i guess they are decent at recognizing that treasure trove of idiots for ratings.

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You must not be paying much attention to CNN and MSNBC lately. FOX has very good company with those two hyper-partisan networks.

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not as much as i used to. Do you?

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I try to keep track of all of them, though my main source is the BBC these days. Doesn't seem to have the spin that the others do.

CNN and MSNBC are every bit as hyper-partisan as FOX.

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agreed, but for me i care more about a network spreading lies about the election while they know they are FOS as opposed to a network trying to push chicks with Ds.

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Well, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC have pushed a narrative for years designed to get Democrats elected.

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not entirely the same as lying about election results.

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And yet, I am not sure it's all that different in terms of severity. Lying after the election isn't going to affect the election. However, when you deliberately withhold information from the American people, or spin information you know to be false to get a certain person elected, there's at least an argument that's worse.

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Isn't that what Trump and his fellow conspirators did, witholding information and lying after (and before) the election, attempting to affect the the election, all the way up to overturning the election on January 6th?

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go read the conservative apology thread.

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How is it relevant? It's all about the Capitol riot, not the weeks and months of Trump lies leading up to it.

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The weeks and months before Jan6 were filled with democrat sponsored and promoted riots all across the country. While law abiding citizens watched their businesses be forced closed and all their options for entertainment/food/shopping forced closed by the very same people cheering on the riots that ignored curfew, mask and social distancing laws that had come to rule the lives of the rest of us. Jan 6th was about watching a year of riots that were outright encouraged by democrats and protected by local authorities wherever democrats were in charge and the fruition of predicted voting irregularities.

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This may be even less relevant than the conservative apology thread.

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Oh there is absolutely zero doubt you and other leftists would LOVE to pretend January 6 happened in a vacuum of time and space and only orange man bad is to blame but that's simply not reality. Democrats are far more to blame for Jan 6 than Trump and its not even close.

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Leftists do like to pretend it happened in a vacuum. Just like Trumpists like to pretend it's somehow justified by mask mandates. Lots and lots of pretending
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No, Trumpists watched the same year of deadly democrat riots as everyone else and saw the same voting irregularities as everyone else.

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You can pretend a lot of things, but unfortunately you don't get to pretend you're outraged about riots any more.

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See? There it is; the reason Jan 6th has been blown up by democrats to be seen as the new 9/11. It's all a cover for the 500+ democrat riots of 2020. Lol, that's like telling me that I don't get to be mad about the BLM terrorist running over people at the Waukesha Christmas parade because I got a speeding ticket one time.

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I have no more sympathy for commie rioters than I do for fascist ones. Both sides sound like my kindergartner telling me he only knocked over the cookie jar because the toddler did it first.

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No, one side has been burning your classroom down for months, killed fellow students and many teachers but has the support of the school administration to continue, with some administrators even personally getting the bad kid out of detention. The other kid finally got sick of the trouble makers' immunity from the law and made some trouble right back. Well that was beyond the pale and you can't have anyone fighting BACK, so you're pretending they're equal in their crimes. They're not.

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Well, you made trouble for the wrong people. Mike Pence wasn't burning down your classroom. That would matter if Jan. 6 had really been about BLM and not the Big Lie. But we both know it wasn't. BLM was just an excuse.

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It was only a part of the reason it happened, it's no EXCUSE for what happened. You have no compunctions about claiming Trump telling people to protest peacefully created the problem while ignoring mountains of context and facts, but let me point out the reality of the situation by giving all the facts and you start whining about "excuses". Lol

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I'm not the one pretending that "protest peacefully" were the only words Trump uttered for two months after the election. The mountain of context and facts surrounding J6-actually relevant facts, unlike the BLM riots-is precisely what you choose to ignore.

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Context like state run elections being changed illegally without going through their state legislatures first? Context like multiple cases being dismissed without any hearing of the evidence? Context like millions of unsolicited ballots being sent out to no -purged voter rolls? There is loads of context, but you don't get to pretend like spending a year locked up by covid restrictions watching your friends and family suffer and die, watching churches be closed and retirement homes become depressing and isolated wastelands of death, millions of people losing their jobs while being demonized if they didn't follow mask protocols that turned out to be false, watching their ability to freely converse be restricted online if they mentioned China might have made the virus or if they dared to say BLM was anything other than the holiest of holy organizations, watching democrats blame white people and police for the violence caused by BLM every time a criminal of a protected skin tone got hurt or killed while fighting a lawful arrest...that all of that is irrelevant and Jan 6th happened because orange man bad. Your refusal of such massive amounts of context truly explains your opinions, though. It's literally the only way one could hold such opinions.

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Yes. Those misleading claims, and many others like them, were very much a part of the context that led to violence.

But of course you're not excusing it or anything.

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Your denial means nothing in the face of the facts but it does explain how you can hold so religiously to such a weak narrative.

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You've read the court cases. You know they weren't only based on procedure. You know judges went out of their way to address substantive issues even when they didn't have to. You know Trump's lawyers bailed on their fraud claims. You know Jenna Ellis just admitted to lying. You know Sidney Powell was sanctioned, Rudy Giuliani was suspended, and John Eastman is facing disbarment and prosecution. I know you know all this, or you wouldn't be here posting long-debunked conspiracy rants without bothering to look at the evidence.

So I guess the only question is…why lie about it?

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No, many cases were thrown out without any review of the facts at all. What remains are still mostly accusations from the same people who trade in accusations as a political currency. Not all claims were accurate by the Trump lawyers, but not all were fabricated lies, either. You know this to be true, so why would YOU lie about it now? Are you really THAT devoted to personal consistency?

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dont forget he omits the court cases that actually show irregular voting practices that violated state law, just these were pushed thru well after Biden was inaugurated making them moot to the point of the 2020 election.

Trump was right that the election was tampered with, just not how he was told by circus freak lawyers.. Bill Barr knows the truth.

So you vote with your wallet, but want someone moral in character. If you don't mix religion and politics and vote only with your wallet, why does the candidate's morality matter?

And I take it their stances on social issues also don't matter? Doesn't matter if they're pro-abortion, pro-LGBTQ+ rights, etc.? Wouldn't it likewise not matter if they're anti those things? As long as it lines your pocket, that's all you care about I thought?

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

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You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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A vote for a D is overwhelmingly a vote to:

Kill the unborn

Greatly reduce and control the population of blacks (a stated goal of their democrat founder)

Ensure unqualified people are put in unearned positions at the expense of those more capable.

Never ending wars with no stated goal and sacrificed American lives

The choice is pretty simple especially if one is a Christian

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you are pushing Redbrick, Old 83 and Little Johnny for the most bizarre and ill-informed poster on the sight. Keep it up. I like a good race to more cray cray!

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Typical LIB. When you can't intelligently debate a subject, just resort to name calling.

By the way, Junior - Trump wants to thank you again for allowing him to eternally live rent free in your head.

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

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You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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A vote for a D is overwhelmingly a vote to:

Kill the unborn

Greatly reduce and control the population of blacks (a stated goal of their democrat founder)

Ensure unqualified people are put in unearned positions at the expense of those more capable.

Never ending wars with no stated goal and sacrificed American lives

The choice is pretty simple especially if one is a Christian

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you are pushing Redbrick, Old 83 and Little Johnny for the most bizarre and ill-informed poster on the sight. Keep it up. I like a good race to more cray cray!

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Typical LIB. When you can't intelligently debate a subject, just resort to name calling.

By the way, Junior - Trump wants to thank you again for allowing him to eternally live rent free in your head.

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yeah, I'm a lib. I said nothing about big fat orange grifter. You are just nuts and I just don't have time for rigid RWNJS like yourself and the afore mentioned.

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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I hear ya on the Dem's position. That is why I'm no Democrat

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Because that would violate your Christian faith? Welcome to under the rock I crawled out from. Lol

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Nope, here is the big difference between us and many on this board. I'm able to separate religion and politics.

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I assumed you identified as a Christian, my apologies.

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See this is the issue. I do identify as a Christian, but Christian and Republican could not be more different. You ok with Queen Lindsey Graham (Trump suck up..pardon the pun). George whomever is an R. Does he lead a Christlike existence. Grow up, get out of your comfort zone, trace, understand people.

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If one is truly Christian, it would be impossible to remove that hat in any area of your life. It should affect every decision you make - especially how you vote. We cannot put aside our identify in Christ, nor should we try.

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Can one be truly a Christian and vote for Democrats?

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I am not sure you're reading my posts. Please go back and take a look at my previous posts addressing this subject, as I've already answered that question twice on this thread.

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I read your post in this exchange. I asked a yes/no question. You don't usually evade. You said it

"If one is truly Christian,.... It should affect every decision you make - especially how you vote."

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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I hear ya on the Dem's position. That is why I'm no Democrat

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Because that would violate your Christian faith? Welcome to under the rock I crawled out from. Lol

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Nope, here is the big difference between us and many on this board. I'm able to separate religion and politics.

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I assumed you identified as a Christian, my apologies.

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See this is the issue. I do identify as a Christian, but Christian and Republican could not be more different. You ok with Queen Lindsey Graham (Trump suck up..pardon the pun). George whomever is an R. Does he lead a Christlike existence. Grow up, get out of your comfort zone, trace, understand people.

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If one is truly Christian, it would be impossible to remove that hat in any area of your life. It should affect every decision you make - especially how you vote. We cannot put aside our identify in Christ, nor should we try.

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Can one be truly a Christian and vote for Democrats?

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I am not sure you're reading my posts. Please go back and take a look at my previous posts addressing this subject, as I've already answered that question twice on this thread.

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I read your post in this exchange. I asked a yes/no question. You don't usually evade. You said it

"If one is truly Christian,.... It should affect every decision you make - especially how you vote."

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Indeed, that is a true statement that I don't think any Christian could disagree with. Do you disagree? Does your faith not affect every decision you make?

Here is my post that already answered your question on page 2 of this thread. Pay particular attention to the bolded parts:

I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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I hear ya on the Dem's position. That is why I'm no Democrat

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Because that would violate your Christian faith? Welcome to under the rock I crawled out from. Lol

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Nope, here is the big difference between us and many on this board. I'm able to separate religion and politics.

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I assumed you identified as a Christian, my apologies.

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See this is the issue. I do identify as a Christian, but Christian and Republican could not be more different. You ok with Queen Lindsey Graham (Trump suck up..pardon the pun). George whomever is an R. Does he lead a Christlike existence. Grow up, get out of your comfort zone, trace, understand people.

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If one is truly Christian, it would be impossible to remove that hat in any area of your life. It should affect every decision you make - especially how you vote. We cannot put aside our identify in Christ, nor should we try.

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Can one be truly a Christian and vote for Democrats?

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I am not sure you're reading my posts. Please go back and take a look at my previous posts addressing this subject, as I've already answered that question twice on this thread.

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I read your post in this exchange. I asked a yes/no question. You don't usually evade. You said it

"If one is truly Christian,.... It should affect every decision you make - especially how you vote."

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I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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What time was that? I must have missed it.

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So you vote with your wallet, but want someone moral in character. If you don't mix religion and politics and vote only with your wallet, why does the candidate's morality matter?

And I take it their stances on social issues also don't matter? Doesn't matter if they're pro-abortion, pro-LGBTQ+ rights, etc.? Wouldn't it likewise not matter if they're anti those things? As long as it lines your pocket, that's all you care about I thought?

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Yes, I do and that should not be hard to find. Morality matters when it comes to the leader of the free world makes good decisions and morality plays a part. I have made my stance on abortion very clear. I have an adopted child from birth, so I certainly would not say I'm pro abortion. However, I'm not a single issue voter relative to that issue. I am fine with LGBTQ (what ever that is) relative to all people of this country have equal rights. However, don't get all up in my grill with it all and be militant. As far a lining pocket, no that isn't the end all be all. I value capitalism and pro growth policies and I am in no way an isolationist. Yes, I'm more of a globalist as I have traveled all the world and lived in France, Sweden and Finland so, Im sure I have a different perspective than many. I understand how the countries that are like minded have to stick together while equally pitching in funds committed.

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So, if I understand you correctly, it's not just economic matters that influence your vote. Both the morality of the leader and, importantly, the morality he foists on the country are factors to consider in voting for a president, correct? In other words, it's not just his personal morality we must consider, but also the morality he tries to enforce through policy.

That being the case, it's worth noting that today's iteration of the Democrat Party IS trying to get up in your grill and be militant with debauchery and immorality. They are not saying it's ok to merely live and let live, but are instead trying to cram it down your throat. That is the reason, for all of your complaints about Trump and Republicans, some of which I agree with mind you, no Christian should ever pull the trigger for the current iteration of the Democrat Party.

We have a common enemy.

I guess you did. As I have said before, I have friends from church who voiced a religious objection to Trump. I thought their decision was short-sighted and wrong, and in fact, told them that, but I respected their religious position.

Ironically, in the last few months, after witnessing the woke disaster that has been the Biden admin, they have admitted to me their error. I appreciate that they can learn from their mistakes.

You might try to give it a shot.

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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I hear ya on the Dem's position. That is why I'm no Democrat

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Because that would violate your Christian faith? Welcome to under the rock I crawled out from. Lol

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Nope, here is the big difference between us and many on this board. I'm able to separate religion and politics.

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I assumed you identified as a Christian, my apologies.

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See this is the issue. I do identify as a Christian, but Christian and Republican could not be more different. You ok with Queen Lindsey Graham (Trump suck up..pardon the pun). George whomever is an R. Does he lead a Christlike existence. Grow up, get out of your comfort zone, trace, understand people.

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If one is truly Christian, it would be impossible to remove that hat in any area of your life. It should affect every decision you make - especially how you vote. We cannot put aside our identify in Christ, nor should we try.

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Can one be truly a Christian and vote for Democrats?

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I am not sure you're reading my posts. Please go back and take a look at my previous posts addressing this subject, as I've already answered that question twice on this thread.

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I read your post in this exchange. I asked a yes/no question. You don't usually evade. You said it

"If one is truly Christian,.... It should affect every decision you make - especially how you vote."

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Indeed, that is a true statement that I don't think any Christian could disagree with. Do you disagree? Does your faith not affect every decision you make?

Here is my post that already answered your question on page 2 of this thread. Pay particular attention to the bolded parts:

I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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Thanks. Very clear statement of your belief.

I believe the essentials of our faith are:
The deity of Christ. Jesus is God.
Salvation by grace.
Salvation through Jesus Christ alone.
The resurrection of Christ.

Nothing about which candidate you vote for

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So you vote with your wallet, but want someone moral in character. If you don't mix religion and politics and vote only with your wallet, why does the candidate's morality matter?

And I take it their stances on social issues also don't matter? Doesn't matter if they're pro-abortion, pro-LGBTQ+ rights, etc.? Wouldn't it likewise not matter if they're anti those things? As long as it lines your pocket, that's all you care about I thought?

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Yes, I do and that should not be hard to find. Morality matters when it comes to the leader of the free world makes good decisions and morality plays a part. I have made my stance on abortion very clear. I have an adopted child from birth, so I certainly would not say I'm pro abortion. However, I'm not a single issue voter relative to that issue. I am fine with LGBTQ (what ever that is) relative to all people of this country have equal rights. However, don't get all up in my grill with it all and be militant. As far a lining pocket, no that isn't the end all be all. I value capitalism and pro growth policies and I am in no way an isolationist. Yes, I'm more of a globalist as I have traveled all the world and lived in France, Sweden and Finland so, Im sure I have a different perspective than many. I understand how the countries that are like minded have to stick together while equally pitching in funds committed.

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So, if I understand you correctly, it's not just economic matters that influence your vote. Both the morality of the leader and, importantly, the morality he foists on the country are factors to consider in voting for a president, correct? In other words, it's not just his personal morality we must consider, but also the morality he tries to enforce through policy.

That being the case, it's worth noting that today's iteration of the Democrat Party IS trying to get up in your grill and be militant with debauchery and immorality. They are not saying it's ok to merely live and let live, but are instead trying to cram it down your throat. That is the reason, for all of your complaints about Trump and Republicans, some of which I agree with mind you, no Christian should ever pull the trigger for the current iteration of the Democrat Party.

We have a common enemy.

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I'm a live and let live guy (Libertarian bent) and there is a reason I am no Democrat. I don't agree with the vast majority of their policies at all. Have voted democrat 1 time in my 55yrs. I will sit the next out if Trumps is the nominee. I'm am just not the lesser of two evils bs. That is a cop out. And man, do I miss the old school yellow dog democrats ie, the great Bob Bullock and his ilk back in the day to give some reasonable perspective . Much better days.

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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A vote for a D is overwhelmingly a vote to:

Kill the unborn

Greatly reduce and control the population of blacks (a stated goal of their democrat founder)

Ensure unqualified people are put in unearned positions at the expense of those more capable.

Never ending wars with no stated goal and sacrificed American lives

The choice is pretty simple especially if one is a Christian

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you are pushing Redbrick, Old 83 and Little Johnny for the most bizarre and ill-informed poster on the sight. Keep it up. I like a good race to more cray cray!

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Typical LIB. When you can't intelligently debate a subject, just resort to name calling.

By the way, Junior - Trump wants to thank you again for allowing him to eternally live rent free in your head.

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Well, at least you finally admitted it.

I like your list, but I would respectfully submit that you haven't drilled down on what each of those mean if you think our identities in Christ shouldn't affect every aspect of our lives, including the way we vote.

Among other things, salvation by grace requires that we repent from our sins, and follow Him. Following Him means many things: 1) obeying God's commands; 2) living a life that is fruitful instead of fleshly; 3) persevering in our faith; and 4) being salt and light to a dying world.

We don't do that by voting for candidates or supporting parties or causes that are the antithesis of our faith. That is not obeying Him, walking with Him or being salt and light to the world.

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So you vote with your wallet, but want someone moral in character. If you don't mix religion and politics and vote only with your wallet, why does the candidate's morality matter?

And I take it their stances on social issues also don't matter? Doesn't matter if they're pro-abortion, pro-LGBTQ+ rights, etc.? Wouldn't it likewise not matter if they're anti those things? As long as it lines your pocket, that's all you care about I thought?

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Yes, I do and that should not be hard to find. Morality matters when it comes to the leader of the free world makes good decisions and morality plays a part. I have made my stance on abortion very clear. I have an adopted child from birth, so I certainly would not say I'm pro abortion. However, I'm not a single issue voter relative to that issue. I am fine with LGBTQ (what ever that is) relative to all people of this country have equal rights. However, don't get all up in my grill with it all and be militant. As far a lining pocket, no that isn't the end all be all. I value capitalism and pro growth policies and I am in no way an isolationist. Yes, I'm more of a globalist as I have traveled all the world and lived in France, Sweden and Finland so, Im sure I have a different perspective than many. I understand how the countries that are like minded have to stick together while equally pitching in funds committed.

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So, if I understand you correctly, it's not just economic matters that influence your vote. Both the morality of the leader and, importantly, the morality he foists on the country are factors to consider in voting for a president, correct? In other words, it's not just his personal morality we must consider, but also the morality he tries to enforce through policy.

That being the case, it's worth noting that today's iteration of the Democrat Party IS trying to get up in your grill and be militant with debauchery and immorality. They are not saying it's ok to merely live and let live, but are instead trying to cram it down your throat. That is the reason, for all of your complaints about Trump and Republicans, some of which I agree with mind you, no Christian should ever pull the trigger for the current iteration of the Democrat Party.

We have a common enemy.

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I'm a live and let live guy (Libertarian bent) and there is a reason I am no Democrat. I don't agree with the vast majority of their policies at all. Have voted democrat 1 time in my 55yrs. I will sit the next out if Trumps is the nominee. I'm am just not the lesser of two evils bs. That is a cop out. And man, do I miss the old school yellow dog democrats ie, the great Bob Bullock and his ilk back in the day to give some reasonable perspective . Much better days.

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I agree with much of this. I think where we differ is that when you have only two viable candidates, one of which will be president, sometimes you have to be pragmatic and vote for the candidate who you think will do less damage to the country. It's not b.s. to be pragmatic when the alternative gets you the woke disaster that has been Biden.

Footage of Jaccob Chansley ( Q Shaman ) reading Trump’s tweet aloud on a megaphone on #J6 telling protestors to go home and to remain peaceful. #J6POLITICALPRISONERS pic.twitter.com/kNJ8mVXKmk

— Chad (@Not_ADemocracy) March 10, 2023

This guy in jail for 4 years for being the face of a fake insurrection

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Footage of Jaccob Chansley ( Q Shaman ) reading Trump’s tweet aloud on a megaphone on #J6 telling protestors to go home and to remain peaceful. #J6POLITICALPRISONERS pic.twitter.com/kNJ8mVXKmk

— Chad (@Not_ADemocracy) March 10, 2023

This guy in jail for 4 years for being the face of a fake insurrection

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Exhibit A in the Trump trial. Merrick Garland says thanks!

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Footage of Jaccob Chansley ( Q Shaman ) reading Trump’s tweet aloud on a megaphone on #J6 telling protestors to go home and to remain peaceful. #J6POLITICALPRISONERS pic.twitter.com/kNJ8mVXKmk

— Chad (@Not_ADemocracy) March 10, 2023

This guy in jail for 4 years for being the face of a fake insurrection

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Exhibit A in the Trump trial. Merrick Garland says thanks!

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Garland gonna do less to Trump than NCAA did to Baylor after Briles scandal

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Footage of Jaccob Chansley ( Q Shaman ) reading Trump’s tweet aloud on a megaphone on #J6 telling protestors to go home and to remain peaceful. #J6POLITICALPRISONERS pic.twitter.com/kNJ8mVXKmk

— Chad (@Not_ADemocracy) March 10, 2023

This guy in jail for 4 years for being the face of a fake insurrection

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Exhibit A in the Trump trial. Merrick Garland says thanks!

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Garland gonna do less to Trump than NCAA did to Baylor after Briles scandal

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Does your post have any meaning whatsoever?

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Footage of Jaccob Chansley ( Q Shaman ) reading Trump’s tweet aloud on a megaphone on #J6 telling protestors to go home and to remain peaceful. #J6POLITICALPRISONERS pic.twitter.com/kNJ8mVXKmk

— Chad (@Not_ADemocracy) March 10, 2023

This guy in jail for 4 years for being the face of a fake insurrection

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Exhibit A in the Trump trial. Merrick Garland says thanks!

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Garland gonna do less to Trump than NCAA did to Baylor after Briles scandal

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Does your post have any meaning whatsoever?

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Footage of Jaccob Chansley ( Q Shaman ) reading Trump’s tweet aloud on a megaphone on #J6 telling protestors to go home and to remain peaceful. #J6POLITICALPRISONERS pic.twitter.com/kNJ8mVXKmk

— Chad (@Not_ADemocracy) March 10, 2023

This guy in jail for 4 years for being the face of a fake insurrection

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Exhibit A in the Trump trial. Merrick Garland says thanks!

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Garland gonna do less to Trump than NCAA did to Baylor after Briles scandal

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Does your post have any meaning whatsoever?

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Does your post have any meaning whatsoever?

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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"You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals."

"Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters."

I believe these two quotes from Wang are saying that you can't vote Democrat and be a "real" Christian. Wang seems to be telling JR that "real" Christians cant vote democrat.

You have told me over and over that if I dont vote for Trump its the same as voting for the Democrat candidate. I coiuld pull up your quotes. I voted third party. You said it was the same as voting for the democrat. Now you say you respect such a decision.

My reading comprehension is fine.

Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Footage of Jaccob Chansley ( Q Shaman ) reading Trump’s tweet aloud on a megaphone on #J6 telling protestors to go home and to remain peaceful. #J6POLITICALPRISONERS pic.twitter.com/kNJ8mVXKmk

— Chad (@Not_ADemocracy) March 10, 2023

This guy in jail for 4 years for being the face of a fake insurrection

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Exhibit A in the Trump trial. Merrick Garland says thanks!

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Garland gonna do less to Trump than NCAA did to Baylor after Briles scandal

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Does your post have any meaning whatsoever?

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Does your post have any meaning whatsoever?

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Depends on how you look at it, I suppose. Does inaction (not voting/voting for someone with zero chance) in the face of evil (democrats platform of killing the unborn and sexualizing children to the point of permanent mutilation, open borders to the detriment of those living here and those attempting the journey here, money laundering through a proxy war I Ukraine at the cost of human lives and American treasure) make one complicit in said evil?

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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A vote for a D is overwhelmingly a vote to:

Kill the unborn

Greatly reduce and control the population of blacks (a stated goal of their democrat founder)

Ensure unqualified people are put in unearned positions at the expense of those more capable.

Never ending wars with no stated goal and sacrificed American lives

The choice is pretty simple especially if one is a Christian

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you are pushing Redbrick, Old 83 and Little Johnny for the most bizarre and ill-informed poster on the sight. Keep it up. I like a good race to more cray cray!

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Typical LIB. When you can't intelligently debate a subject, just resort to name calling.

By the way, Junior - Trump wants to thank you again for allowing him to eternally live rent free in your head.

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Theres some Christians doing some name calling here. Does your statement go both ways?

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Mothra said:

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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"You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals."

"Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters."

I believe these two quotes from Wang are saying that you can't vote Democrat and be a "real" Christian. Wang seems to be telling JR that "real" Christians cant vote democrat.

You have told me over and over that if I dont vote for Trump its the same as voting for the Democrat candidate. I coiuld pull up your quotes. I voted third party. You said it was the same as voting for the democrat. Now you say you respect such a decision.

My reading comprehension is fine.

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"To be a Christian you must vote for Trump."

"You cant be a Christian if you dont follow vote for whoever the republican party throws up. even if the pick is a "pos".

"Yep, you are going to hell if you dont vote for Trump. Thats an amazing statement. If I were not secure in my beliefs I would run as far away as I could from this type of Christianity."

I believe these three quotes are from you. Nowhere did Wang, or anyone else on this thread, say one must vote for Trump or that one is going to hell if they don't vote for Trump. Wang said he didn't believe Christians could vote Dem. Those aren't the same. These are more of your strawmen.

Either that or your reading comprehension is atrocious.

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Mothra said:

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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You have told me over and over that if I dont vote for Trump its the same as voting for the Democrat candidate. I coiuld pull up your quotes. I voted third party. You said it was the same as voting for the democrat. Now you say you respect such a decision.

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I said it had the same effect. Try reading closer, WR.

I respect Christians who couldn't pull themselves to vote for Trump for religious reasons. As I said above, I think they're wrong, and can't see the big picture, but that is at the very least a principled position.

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Fre3dombear said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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A vote for a D is overwhelmingly a vote to:

Kill the unborn

Greatly reduce and control the population of blacks (a stated goal of their democrat founder)

Ensure unqualified people are put in unearned positions at the expense of those more capable.

Never ending wars with no stated goal and sacrificed American lives

The choice is pretty simple especially if one is a Christian

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you are pushing Redbrick, Old 83 and Little Johnny for the most bizarre and ill-informed poster on the sight. Keep it up. I like a good race to more cray cray!

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Yet not a single point disputed.

Fre3dombear said:

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J.R. said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Mothra said:

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J.R. said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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A vote for a D is overwhelmingly a vote to:

Kill the unborn

Greatly reduce and control the population of blacks (a stated goal of their democrat founder)

Ensure unqualified people are put in unearned positions at the expense of those more capable.

Never ending wars with no stated goal and sacrificed American lives

The choice is pretty simple especially if one is a Christian

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you are pushing Redbrick, Old 83 and Little Johnny for the most bizarre and ill-informed poster on the sight. Keep it up. I like a good race to more cray cray!

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Yet not a single point disputed.

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I cannot be a single issue voter (abortion) or baby killing as you call it. I don't even know what you are talking about relative to reduce and control the population of "blacks". That is just dumb. Unqualified people? Trump was the King of unqualified people. (his sons, Rudy, crazy ass lawyers ect. ). The qualified people told him to eff off and quit). Wars. Yeah , let's just sit here and let China and Russia come after us. Being a Christian and what party you vote are mutually exclusive. Yeah, I have heard the dumbest thing ever here. "You cannot be a Christian and vote Democrat? Do you believe that to be true? oh, and finally, Trumps about to be indicted for paying off Story Daniels whom he was banging while married to his 3rd wife. Now, that is a quality dude, right there. How many abortions do you think Trump has paid for? Is that ok? Yeah, Trump is a real Christian! Stop buying the hype, bro!

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Fre3dombear said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mothra said:

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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A vote for a D is overwhelmingly a vote to:

Kill the unborn

Greatly reduce and control the population of blacks (a stated goal of their democrat founder)

Ensure unqualified people are put in unearned positions at the expense of those more capable.

Never ending wars with no stated goal and sacrificed American lives

The choice is pretty simple especially if one is a Christian

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you are pushing Redbrick, Old 83 and Little Johnny for the most bizarre and ill-informed poster on the sight. Keep it up. I like a good race to more cray cray!

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Yet not a single point disputed.

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I cannot be a single issue voter (abortion) or baby killing as you call it. I don't even know what you are talking about relative to reduce and control the population of "blacks". That is just dumb. Unqualified people? Trump was the King of unqualified people. (his sons, Rudy, crazy ass lawyers ect. ). The qualified people told him to eff off and quit). Wars. Yeah , let's just sit here and let China and Russia come after us. Being a Christian and what party you vote are mutually exclusive. Yeah, I have heard the dumbest thing ever here. "You cannot be a Christian and vote Democrat? Do you believe that to be true?

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That's hilarious. "Hey God, I did good, right? I get to be by your side forever now, right?"
"Well, you did support the murder of millions of humans by empowering evil people with your votes, but hey, that's politics and we keep that separate up here so COME ON IN! You can't be expected to be a single issue voter or anything Besides, you remember the chapter and verse where I had them write, ""Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea" ? I WAS JOKING! Totally cool if y'all want to sexualize children and mutilate their genitals so you can look woke to your friends!"

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Fre3dombear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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A vote for a D is overwhelmingly a vote to:

Kill the unborn

Greatly reduce and control the population of blacks (a stated goal of their democrat founder)

Ensure unqualified people are put in unearned positions at the expense of those more capable.

Never ending wars with no stated goal and sacrificed American lives

The choice is pretty simple especially if one is a Christian

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you are pushing Redbrick, Old 83 and Little Johnny for the most bizarre and ill-informed poster on the sight. Keep it up. I like a good race to more cray cray!

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Yet not a single point disputed.

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I cannot be a single issue voter (abortion) or baby killing as you call it. I don't even know what you are talking about relative to reduce and control the population of "blacks". That is just dumb. Unqualified people? Trump was the King of unqualified people. (his sons, Rudy, crazy ass lawyers ect. ). The qualified people told him to eff off and quit). Wars. Yeah , let's just sit here and let China and Russia come after us. Being a Christian and what party you vote are mutually exclusive. Yeah, I have heard the dumbest thing ever here. "You cannot be a Christian and vote Democrat? Do you believe that to be true?

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That's hilarious. "Hey God, I did good, right? I get to be by your side forever now, right?"
"Well, you did support the murder of millions of humans by empowering evil people with your votes, but hey, that's politics and we keep that separate up here so COME ON IN! You can't be expected to be a single issue voter or anything!"

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oh, did I mention that I have a 24 yr old that was adopted at birth. I think I probably have a better handle on the issue.

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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A vote for a D is overwhelmingly a vote to:

Kill the unborn

Greatly reduce and control the population of blacks (a stated goal of their democrat founder)

Ensure unqualified people are put in unearned positions at the expense of those more capable.

Never ending wars with no stated goal and sacrificed American lives

The choice is pretty simple especially if one is a Christian

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you are pushing Redbrick, Old 83 and Little Johnny for the most bizarre and ill-informed poster on the sight. Keep it up. I like a good race to more cray cray!

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Yet not a single point disputed.

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I cannot be a single issue voter (abortion) or baby killing as you call it. I don't even know what you are talking about relative to reduce and control the population of "blacks". That is just dumb. Unqualified people? Trump was the King of unqualified people. (his sons, Rudy, crazy ass lawyers ect. ). The qualified people told him to eff off and quit). Wars. Yeah , let's just sit here and let China and Russia come after us. Being a Christian and what party you vote are mutually exclusive. Yeah, I have heard the dumbest thing ever here. "You cannot be a Christian and vote Democrat? Do you believe that to be true?

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That's hilarious. "Hey God, I did good, right? I get to be by your side forever now, right?"
"Well, you did support the murder of millions of humans by empowering evil people with your votes, but hey, that's politics and we keep that separate up here so COME ON IN! You can't be expected to be a single issue voter or anything!"

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oh, did I mention that I have a 24 yr old that was adopted at birth. I think I probably have a better handle on the issue. You did not address my questions for you.

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Fre3dombear said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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A vote for a D is overwhelmingly a vote to:

Kill the unborn

Greatly reduce and control the population of blacks (a stated goal of their democrat founder)

Ensure unqualified people are put in unearned positions at the expense of those more capable.

Never ending wars with no stated goal and sacrificed American lives

The choice is pretty simple especially if one is a Christian

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you are pushing Redbrick, Old 83 and Little Johnny for the most bizarre and ill-informed poster on the sight. Keep it up. I like a good race to more cray cray!

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Yet not a single point disputed.

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I cannot be a single issue voter (abortion) or baby killing as you call it. I don't even know what you are talking about relative to reduce and control the population of "blacks". That is just dumb. Unqualified people? Trump was the King of unqualified people. (his sons, Rudy, crazy ass lawyers ect. ). The qualified people told him to eff off and quit). Wars. Yeah , let's just sit here and let China and Russia come after us. Being a Christian and what party you vote are mutually exclusive. Yeah, I have heard the dumbest thing ever here. "You cannot be a Christian and vote Democrat? Do you believe that to be true?

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That's hilarious. "Hey God, I did good, right? I get to be by your side forever now, right?"
"Well, you did support the murder of millions of humans by empowering evil people with your votes, but hey, that's politics and we keep that separate up here so COME ON IN! You can't be expected to be a single issue voter or anything!"

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oh, did I mention that I have a 24 yr old that was adopted at birth. I think I probably have a better handle on the issue.

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So you adopted one and supported the murder of millions with your votes. Wow. Want a medal?

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I like your list, but I would respectfully submit that you haven't drilled down on what each of those mean if you think our identities in Christ shouldn't affect every aspect of our lives, including the way we vote.

Among other things, salvation by grace requires that we repent from our sins, and follow Him. Following Him means many things: 1) obeying God's commands; 2) living a life that is fruitful instead of fleshly; 3) persevering in our faith; and 4) being salt and light to a dying world.

We don't do that by voting for candidates or supporting parties or causes that are the antithesis of our faith. That is not obeying Him, walking with Him or being salt and light to the world.

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I contend that the part in Bold is adding a works requirement to the Gospel. Voting and/or supporting your preferred candidate won't get me into heaven.