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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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A vote for a D is overwhelmingly a vote to:

Kill the unborn

Greatly reduce and control the population of blacks (a stated goal of their democrat founder)

Ensure unqualified people are put in unearned positions at the expense of those more capable.

Never ending wars with no stated goal and sacrificed American lives

The choice is pretty simple especially if one is a Christian

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you are pushing Redbrick, Old 83 and Little Johnny for the most bizarre and ill-informed poster on the sight. Keep it up. I like a good race to more cray cray!

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Yet not a single point disputed.

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I cannot be a single issue voter (abortion) or baby killing as you call it. I don't even know what you are talking about relative to reduce and control the population of "blacks". That is just dumb. Unqualified people? Trump was the King of unqualified people. (his sons, Rudy, crazy ass lawyers ect. ). The qualified people told him to eff off and quit). Wars. Yeah , let's just sit here and let China and Russia come after us. Being a Christian and what party you vote are mutually exclusive. Yeah, I have heard the dumbest thing ever here. "You cannot be a Christian and vote Democrat? Do you believe that to be true?

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That's hilarious. "Hey God, I did good, right? I get to be by your side forever now, right?"
"Well, you did support the murder of millions of humans by empowering evil people with your votes, but hey, that's politics and we keep that separate up here so COME ON IN! You can't be expected to be a single issue voter or anything!"

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oh, did I mention that I have a 24 yr old that was adopted at birth. I think I probably have a better handle on the issue.

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So you adopted one and supported the murder of millions with your votes. Wow. Want a medal?

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you are a effing moron. Obviously, if I adopted "one" as you call it which is really offensive. Furthermore, it should be pretty obvious that I'm pro life , but not a zealot, like you. You people are just crazy and dangerous. I have voted democrat 1 time in my life, so you obviously are talking out of your arse per the usual. get your facts straight and don't be a dick! You need to be banned for utter stupidity.

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I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.

Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.

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I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.

From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.

Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.

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That is correct, I do state that voting democrats into power means you do not act in faith with Christian beliefs. When it comes to policy and rhetoric only one party is actively anti-Christian, they just disguise it by classifying the target of their hate as EvAnGeLiCaL Christians. Some might try to argue that a politician's personal life is as important here as their party's M.O. but short of corruption, only policy affects this country. That's how a Christian can hold their noses and vote for an orange yankee goon born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, because his policy is in line with our faith. I don't see killing babies as in line with the Christian faith, even if the democrats do other stuff, too.

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Mothra?

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Mothra disagrees with my premise. It's the first sentence of his post. I also never said one HAD to vote Republican in order to be a Christian.

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Is voting for a Democrat a sin?

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Where does the Democrat stand on killing the unborn?

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the place place that many, many Republicans do. Dems have not cornered the market on "a woman's right to choose", I know tons of R's who are in this camp. For anyone to act as though the right to life debate is on Democratic is just foolish. Some of yall need to get out more.

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While I do not doubt that some individual R's are ok with abortion, and some D's are against it, you're once again making the mistake of focusing on individuals instead of the party's policies. The stated policy of the D party is to legalize abortion and expand access in every state and territory in the U.S., and in some instances, provide govt. funding of abortion. The stated policy of the R's is pro-life. That is what you SHOULD be focusing on, not some R you knew one time who supported abortion.

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A vote for a D is overwhelmingly a vote to:

Kill the unborn

Greatly reduce and control the population of blacks (a stated goal of their democrat founder)

Ensure unqualified people are put in unearned positions at the expense of those more capable.

Never ending wars with no stated goal and sacrificed American lives

The choice is pretty simple especially if one is a Christian

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you are pushing Redbrick, Old 83 and Little Johnny for the most bizarre and ill-informed poster on the sight. Keep it up. I like a good race to more cray cray!

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Yet not a single point disputed.

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I cannot be a single issue voter (abortion) or baby killing as you call it. I don't even know what you are talking about relative to reduce and control the population of "blacks". That is just dumb. Unqualified people? Trump was the King of unqualified people. (his sons, Rudy, crazy ass lawyers ect. ). The qualified people told him to eff off and quit). Wars. Yeah , let's just sit here and let China and Russia come after us. Being a Christian and what party you vote are mutually exclusive. Yeah, I have heard the dumbest thing ever here. "You cannot be a Christian and vote Democrat? Do you believe that to be true?

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That's hilarious. "Hey God, I did good, right? I get to be by your side forever now, right?"
"Well, you did support the murder of millions of humans by empowering evil people with your votes, but hey, that's politics and we keep that separate up here so COME ON IN! You can't be expected to be a single issue voter or anything!"

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oh, did I mention that I have a 24 yr old that was adopted at birth. I think I probably have a better handle on the issue.

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So you adopted one and supported the murder of millions with your votes. Wow. Want a medal?

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you are a effing moron. Obviously, if I adopted "one" as you call it which is really offensive. Furthermore, it should be pretty obvious that I'm pro life , but not a zealot, like you. You people are just crazy and dangerous. I have voted democrat 1 time in my life, so you obviously are talking out of your arse per the usual. get your facts straight and don't be a dick!

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Your emotional response comes from the fact that what I am saying rings true; one cannot vote for the murder of tens of millions preborn humans and still call themselves a Christian. You personally adopting ONE human does not change anything about that fact. If actually following the Christian faith makes one a zealot then I'll wear that label proudly.

That's cute. "Dis guy needs tuh be banned! He says you can't promote and live in sin and be a Christian!!!"
You sounds smart.

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I like your list, but I would respectfully submit that you haven't drilled down on what each of those mean if you think our identities in Christ shouldn't affect every aspect of our lives, including the way we vote.

Among other things, salvation by grace requires that we repent from our sins, and follow Him. Following Him means many things: 1) obeying God's commands; 2) living a life that is fruitful instead of fleshly; 3) persevering in our faith; and 4) being salt and light to a dying world.

We don't do that by voting for candidates or supporting parties or causes that are the antithesis of our faith. That is not obeying Him, walking with Him or being salt and light to the world.

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I contend that the part in Bold is adding a works requirement to the Gospel. Voting and/or supporting your preferred candidate won't get me into heaven.

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Once again, you seem to be conflating a works-based requirement for salvation with the good works that are the result of a relationship with Christ. In short, you are getting the order wrong. And the order is very important.

Paul says in Ephesians 2: 8-9: "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--not by works, so that no one can boast." So, Paul is very clear that works will not save us. In other words, how we vote is not determinative of salvation. It might demonstrate where we are in our walk, but that doesn't affect our eternal security.

But then look at what Paul says in the very next verse in Ephesians 2:10: "For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do." And of course, there is also the fruit of the spirit which is a natural result of our faith in Christ. Thus, how we behave and the actions we take in response to our identity in Christ is an outcropping of our faith.

See the distinction? We are saved by Grace, through Faith, unto Good Works. That is the natural order of a relationship with Christ. Does it mean we stop sinning, or that we can't make bad decisions after an encounter with Christ? No. Christ never promised us perfection in this world. But our relationship with Christ should affect all future decisions and actions. That is why people's decision making changes after they get saved. I would think any true believers would agree with that.

The idea that Christians can do and say anything they want (and vote how they want) because they are saved sounds eerily similar to the Gnostics, who believed that salvation was a mere get-out-of-jail free card. They believed how you live doesn't matter. And that's just not what Christ says in the Gospels.

I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all.

So for all the great posts we are back where we started. If you dont vote like Mothra and wang you cant be a real Chtistian. Of course only real Christians go to heavan. Not voting for their candidate (who one calls a PoS) dooms you to hell.

That is some strange theology. Republican Jesus.

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So for all the great posts we are back where we started. If you dont vote like Mothra and wang you cant be a real Chtistian. Of course only real Christians go to heavan. Not voting for their candidate (who one calls a PoS) dooms you to hell.

That is some strange theology. Republican Jesus.

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Wrong again. These are just more of your strawmen.

Might be a good time to perform some self-reflection if that's what you got out of my post. If Christ hasn't changed the way you live and think, I would respectfully submit you might not truly know Him.

Democrat Jesus approves.

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I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all.

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Your contention is that voting for a Democrat is contrary to the Christian faith. You will need to show me that in scripture, not some simplistic chain of your reasoning. Cults have been built on more sound reasoning.

You apparently believe people who vote Democrat may not be saved because because their works (voting pattern) is contrary to your Christian faith. They can demonstrate all of the fruits of the Spirit, but if they vote Democrat their faith in Christ may not be genuine.

I sincerely believe you are a Christian. I sincerely believe you are mistaken in your arbitrary requirement of not voting Democrat.

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I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all.

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Your contention is that voting for a Democrat is contrary to the Christian faith. You will need to show me that in scripture, not some simplistic chain of your reasoning. Cults have been built on more sound reasoning.

You apparently believe people who vote Democrat may not be saved because because their works (voting pattern) is contrary to your Christian faith. They can demonstrate all of the fruits of the Spirit, but if they vote Democrat their faith in Christ may not be genuine.

I sincerely believe you are a Christian. I sincerely believe you are mistaken in your arbitrary requirement of not voting Democrat.

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Your contention is that voting for a Democrat is contrary to the Christian faith.

Yes, that is my contention and the truth. The party, in its current iteration, propagates policy that is contrary to the tenets of the Christian faith.

You will need to show me that in scripture, not some simplistic chain of your reasoning. Cults have been built on more sound reasoning.

I'm honestly surprised that you would dispute this. Are the reasons not self-evident? If not, let me give a few examples:

A review of the DNC's website has as one of its stated goals a policy that any girl of reproductive age can have a tax payer funded abortion no matter how young and at any point in the pregnancy. This is contrary to God's view of life. The Bible teaches that we are human at conception (Psalm 139:13), that all people are made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27), and that murder is an evil sin (Exodus 20:13).

Christians should not align themselves with a party that proudly promotes the murder of the most innocent among us, the unborn. Christians should not align themselves with a party that promotes the ability of minors to have abortions (even without informing their parents.) If Christians want to carry the message of Eternal Life through Jesus, they cannot stand with a party that "shouts their abortion," promoting and celebrating the sacrifice of their own children to the god of Self.

How about their stance on LGBTQ+? Totally out of line with what Christ says about marriage, and what Paul says about sexual morality.

There are others, but these are but a few examples.

You apparently believe people who vote Democrat may not be saved because because their works (voting pattern) is contrary to your Christian faith.

Yes, it is possible. A person's works and fruit are outcroppings of their faith. This is an indisputable truth of scripture. See the verse in Ephesians I quoted above. Or do you dispute Paul's position?

On the other hand, as stated above, they may be simply misguided, deceived, not mature in their faith, luke-warm, etc. Christians are still fallible and sinful human beings. So it could be a sign of several different things.

They can demonstrate all of the fruits of the Spirit, but if they vote Democrat their faith in Christ may not be genuine.

That is not possible. If one is not making decisions in accordance with scripture, they are not demonstrating all of the fruits of the Spirit, and all of the good works planned for them. That's like saying an alcoholic or adulterer is displaying all of the fruits of the Spirit and the good works set before him. Not possible, according to scripture.

I sincerely believe you are a Christian.

I know I am a sinner saved by Christ's grace. I am glad you believe that, but respectfully, what you believe is irrelevant to my identity in Christ.

I sincerely believe you are mistaken in your arbitrary requirement of not voting Democrat.

I am not sure what you mean by this comment. Are you still suffering under the erroneous assumption that I am saying one must not vote Democrat to be Christian? If so, again, that is not my position. I've attempted to dispel you of this mistaken notion for a few posts now. Frankly, I am not sure how I can explain my position any clearer.

In closing, let me ask you this: Do you believe a person who is truly saved can go on to live the life he led before his encounter with Christ? Does he still go on in his sinful ways and lifestyle? Or does the Holy Spirit transform him? Does it change his way of thinking?

Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all.

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Your contention is that voting for a Democrat is contrary to the Christian faith. You will need to show me that in scripture, not some simplistic chain of your reasoning. Cults have been built on more sound reasoning.

You apparently believe people who vote Democrat may not be saved because because their works (voting pattern) is contrary to your Christian faith. They can demonstrate all of the fruits of the Spirit, but if they vote Democrat their faith in Christ may not be genuine.

I sincerely believe you are a Christian. I sincerely believe you are mistaken in your arbitrary requirement of not voting Democrat.

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Your contention is that voting for a Democrat is contrary to the Christian faith.

Yes, that is my contention and the truth. The party, in its current iteration, propagates policy that is contrary to the tenets of the Christian faith.

You will need to show me that in scripture, not some simplistic chain of your reasoning. Cults have been built on more sound reasoning.

I'm honestly surprised that you would dispute this. Are the reasons not self-evident? If not, let me give a few examples:

A review of the DNC's website has as one of its stated goals a policy that any girl of reproductive age can have a tax payer funded abortion no matter how young and at any point in the pregnancy. This is contrary to God's view of life. The Bible teaches that we are human at conception (Psalm 139:13), that all people are made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27), and that murder is an evil sin (Exodus 20:13).

Christians should not align themselves with a party that proudly promotes the murder of the most innocent among us, the unborn. Christians should not align themselves with a party that promotes the ability of minors to have abortions (even without informing their parents.) If Christians want to carry the message of Eternal Life through Jesus, they cannot stand with a party that "shouts their abortion," promoting and celebrating the sacrifice of their own children to the god of Self.

How about their stance on LGBTQ+? Totally out of line with what Christ says about marriage, and what Paul says about sexual morality.

There are others, but these are but a few examples.

You apparently believe people who vote Democrat may not be saved because because their works (voting pattern) is contrary to your Christian faith.

Yes, it is possible. A person's works and fruit are outcroppings of their faith. This is an indisputable truth of scripture. See the verse in Ephesians I quoted above. Or do you dispute Paul's position?

On the other hand, as stated above, they may be simply misguided, deceived, not mature in their faith, luke-warm, etc. Christians are still fallible and sinful human beings. So it could be a sign of several different things.

They can demonstrate all of the fruits of the Spirit, but if they vote Democrat their faith in Christ may not be genuine.

That is not possible. If one is not making decisions in accordance with scripture, they are not demonstrating all of the fruits of the Spirit, and all of the good works planned for them. That's like saying an alcoholic or adulterer is displaying all of the fruits of the Spirit and the good works set before him. Not possible, according to scripture.

I sincerely believe you are a Christian.

I know I am a sinner saved by Christ's grace. I am glad you believe that, but respectfully, what you believe is irrelevant to my identity in Christ.

I sincerely believe you are mistaken in your arbitrary requirement of not voting Democrat.

I am not sure what you mean by this comment. Are you still suffering under the erroneous assumption that I am saying one must not vote Democrat to be Christian? If so, again, that is not my position. I've attempted to dispel you of this mistaken notion for a few posts now. Frankly, I am not sure how I can explain my position any clearer.

In closing, let me ask you this: Do you believe a person who is truly saved can go on to live the life he led before his encounter with Christ? Does he still go on in his sinful ways and lifestyle? Or does the Holy Spirit transform him? Does it change his way of thinking?

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You are giving your opinion/interpretation of people who may, like you, vote for a Democrat. You quote scripture but then resort to non biblical authority (your own beliefs).

I'm trying to reconcile the sentences in your answer. They seem to contradict each other. In the last you claim that voting for a Democrat is contrary to the Christian faith. I guess you think it is a sin, but since we are all sinners, this is just another sin that can be forgiven. Therefore one can vote for a Democrat and be a Christian.

You post the following:
Are you still suffering under the erroneous assumption that I am saying one must not vote Democrat to be Christian?

I posted the following:
Your contention is that voting for a Democrat is contrary to the Christian faith.
Your answer:
Yes, that is my contention and the truth. The party, in its current iteration, propagates policy that is contrary to the tenets of the Christian faith.

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all.

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Your contention is that voting for a Democrat is contrary to the Christian faith. You will need to show me that in scripture, not some simplistic chain of your reasoning. Cults have been built on more sound reasoning.

You apparently believe people who vote Democrat may not be saved because because their works (voting pattern) is contrary to your Christian faith. They can demonstrate all of the fruits of the Spirit, but if they vote Democrat their faith in Christ may not be genuine.

I sincerely believe you are a Christian. I sincerely believe you are mistaken in your arbitrary requirement of not voting Democrat.

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Your contention is that voting for a Democrat is contrary to the Christian faith.

Yes, that is my contention and the truth. The party, in its current iteration, propagates policy that is contrary to the tenets of the Christian faith.

You will need to show me that in scripture, not some simplistic chain of your reasoning. Cults have been built on more sound reasoning.

I'm honestly surprised that you would dispute this. Are the reasons not self-evident? If not, let me give a few examples:

A review of the DNC's website has as one of its stated goals a policy that any girl of reproductive age can have a tax payer funded abortion no matter how young and at any point in the pregnancy. This is contrary to God's view of life. The Bible teaches that we are human at conception (Psalm 139:13), that all people are made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27), and that murder is an evil sin (Exodus 20:13).

Christians should not align themselves with a party that proudly promotes the murder of the most innocent among us, the unborn. Christians should not align themselves with a party that promotes the ability of minors to have abortions (even without informing their parents.) If Christians want to carry the message of Eternal Life through Jesus, they cannot stand with a party that "shouts their abortion," promoting and celebrating the sacrifice of their own children to the god of Self.

How about their stance on LGBTQ+? Totally out of line with what Christ says about marriage, and what Paul says about sexual morality.

There are others, but these are but a few examples.

You apparently believe people who vote Democrat may not be saved because because their works (voting pattern) is contrary to your Christian faith.

Yes, it is possible. A person's works and fruit are outcroppings of their faith. This is an indisputable truth of scripture. See the verse in Ephesians I quoted above. Or do you dispute Paul's position?

On the other hand, as stated above, they may be simply misguided, deceived, not mature in their faith, luke-warm, etc. Christians are still fallible and sinful human beings. So it could be a sign of several different things.

They can demonstrate all of the fruits of the Spirit, but if they vote Democrat their faith in Christ may not be genuine.

That is not possible. If one is not making decisions in accordance with scripture, they are not demonstrating all of the fruits of the Spirit, and all of the good works planned for them. That's like saying an alcoholic or adulterer is displaying all of the fruits of the Spirit and the good works set before him. Not possible, according to scripture.

I sincerely believe you are a Christian.

I know I am a sinner saved by Christ's grace. I am glad you believe that, but respectfully, what you believe is irrelevant to my identity in Christ.

I sincerely believe you are mistaken in your arbitrary requirement of not voting Democrat.

I am not sure what you mean by this comment. Are you still suffering under the erroneous assumption that I am saying one must not vote Democrat to be Christian? If so, again, that is not my position. I've attempted to dispel you of this mistaken notion for a few posts now. Frankly, I am not sure how I can explain my position any clearer.

In closing, let me ask you this: Do you believe a person who is truly saved can go on to live the life he led before his encounter with Christ? Does he still go on in his sinful ways and lifestyle? Or does the Holy Spirit transform him? Does it change his way of thinking?

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You are giving your opinion/interpretation of people who may, like you, vote for a Democrat. You quote scripture but then resort to non biblical authority (your own beliefs).

I'm trying to reconcile the sentences in your answer. They seem to contradict each other. In the last you claim that voting for a Democrat is contrary to the Christian faith. I guess you think it is a sin, but since we are all sinners, this is just another sin that can be forgiven. Therefore one can vote for a Democrat and be a Christian.

You post the following:
Are you still suffering under the erroneous assumption that I am saying one must not vote Democrat to be Christian?

I posted the following:
Your contention is that voting for a Democrat is contrary to the Christian faith.
Your answer:
Yes, that is my contention and the truth. The party, in its current iteration, propagates policy that is contrary to the tenets of the Christian faith.

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You are giving your opinion/interpretation of people who may, like you, vote for a Democrat. You quote scripture but then resort to non biblical authority (your own beliefs).

What specific opinions/interpretations are you referencing? Did you disagree with my interpretation of the verses I referenced?

I'm trying to reconcile the sentences in your answer. They seem to contradict each other. In the last you claim that voting for a Democrat is contrary to the Christian faith. I guess you think it is a sin, but since we are all sinners, this is just another sin that can be forgiven. Therefore one can vote for a Democrat and be a Christian.

The thing is, there is no contradiction. As I have said since page 2 of this thread, one can vote Democrat and be a Christian. A misguided and deceived Christian, perhaps immature in his faith, but a Christian nonetheless.

We all still sin, do we not? I make poor decisions, contrary to Christ teachings, on a daily basis. We all do. We all stumble. It doesn't mean we aren't saved by his grace, which covers a multitude of our sins. In other words, we can make bad decisions, but still believe in the one and only Christ, who saved us from our sins. How we vote does not determine whether we are forgiven. It may show where we are in our walk and maturity, and it MAY show that we aren't truly saved, but it doesn't mean we aren't Christian.

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Democrat Jesus approves.

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that is just offensive, but that is what I would expect from your ilk!

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Democrat Jesus approves.

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that is just offensive, but that is what I would expect from your ilk!

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Well, you tried to lay the old trope of "I know non-Christians that are better Christians than most Christians!" and so I exposed just what your idea of a Christian actually was. Now we know you think Christians are people who live in sin, celebrate sin and vote to empower evil people. You "Christian on Sunday" types are simply insufferable but once we get you to reveal that about yourself it really adds perspective to your future virtue signaling posts.

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Democrat Jesus approves.

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that is just offensive, but that is what I would expect from your ilk!

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Well, you tried to lay the old trope of "I know non-Christians that are better Christians than most Christians!" and so I exposed just what your idea of a Christian actually was. Now we know you think Christians are people who live in sin, celebrate sin and vote to empower evil people. You "Christian on Sunday" types are simply insufferable but once we get you to reveal that about yourself it really adds perspective to your future virtue signaling posts.

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firstly, I said I know a lot of non christians that are better humans than some "Christians" I know. Never , ever said better than "most Christians". never said that. Not sure where you got "Sunday Christ Types". You have exactly no clue as to my faith. Zero. I don't wear it like a cloth!

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I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all.

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Your contention is that voting for a Democrat is contrary to the Christian faith. You will need to show me that in scripture, not some simplistic chain of your reasoning. Cults have been built on more sound reasoning.

You apparently believe people who vote Democrat may not be saved because because their works (voting pattern) is contrary to your Christian faith. They can demonstrate all of the fruits of the Spirit, but if they vote Democrat their faith in Christ may not be genuine.

I sincerely believe you are a Christian. I sincerely believe you are mistaken in your arbitrary requirement of not voting Democrat.

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Your contention is that voting for a Democrat is contrary to the Christian faith.

Yes, that is my contention and the truth. The party, in its current iteration, propagates policy that is contrary to the tenets of the Christian faith.

You will need to show me that in scripture, not some simplistic chain of your reasoning. Cults have been built on more sound reasoning.

I'm honestly surprised that you would dispute this. Are the reasons not self-evident? If not, let me give a few examples:

A review of the DNC's website has as one of its stated goals a policy that any girl of reproductive age can have a tax payer funded abortion no matter how young and at any point in the pregnancy. This is contrary to God's view of life. The Bible teaches that we are human at conception (Psalm 139:13), that all people are made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27), and that murder is an evil sin (Exodus 20:13).

Christians should not align themselves with a party that proudly promotes the murder of the most innocent among us, the unborn. Christians should not align themselves with a party that promotes the ability of minors to have abortions (even without informing their parents.) If Christians want to carry the message of Eternal Life through Jesus, they cannot stand with a party that "shouts their abortion," promoting and celebrating the sacrifice of their own children to the god of Self.

How about their stance on LGBTQ+? Totally out of line with what Christ says about marriage, and what Paul says about sexual morality.

There are others, but these are but a few examples.

You apparently believe people who vote Democrat may not be saved because because their works (voting pattern) is contrary to your Christian faith.

Yes, it is possible. A person's works and fruit are outcroppings of their faith. This is an indisputable truth of scripture. See the verse in Ephesians I quoted above. Or do you dispute Paul's position?

On the other hand, as stated above, they may be simply misguided, deceived, not mature in their faith, luke-warm, etc. Christians are still fallible and sinful human beings. So it could be a sign of several different things.

They can demonstrate all of the fruits of the Spirit, but if they vote Democrat their faith in Christ may not be genuine.

That is not possible. If one is not making decisions in accordance with scripture, they are not demonstrating all of the fruits of the Spirit, and all of the good works planned for them. That's like saying an alcoholic or adulterer is displaying all of the fruits of the Spirit and the good works set before him. Not possible, according to scripture.

I sincerely believe you are a Christian.

I know I am a sinner saved by Christ's grace. I am glad you believe that, but respectfully, what you believe is irrelevant to my identity in Christ.

I sincerely believe you are mistaken in your arbitrary requirement of not voting Democrat.

I am not sure what you mean by this comment. Are you still suffering under the erroneous assumption that I am saying one must not vote Democrat to be Christian? If so, again, that is not my position. I've attempted to dispel you of this mistaken notion for a few posts now. Frankly, I am not sure how I can explain my position any clearer.

In closing, let me ask you this: Do you believe a person who is truly saved can go on to live the life he led before his encounter with Christ? Does he still go on in his sinful ways and lifestyle? Or does the Holy Spirit transform him? Does it change his way of thinking?

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You are giving your opinion/interpretation of people who may, like you, vote for a Democrat. You quote scripture but then resort to non biblical authority (your own beliefs).

I'm trying to reconcile the sentences in your answer. They seem to contradict each other. In the last you claim that voting for a Democrat is contrary to the Christian faith. I guess you think it is a sin, but since we are all sinners, this is just another sin that can be forgiven. Therefore one can vote for a Democrat and be a Christian.

You post the following:
Are you still suffering under the erroneous assumption that I am saying one must not vote Democrat to be Christian?

I posted the following:
Your contention is that voting for a Democrat is contrary to the Christian faith.
Your answer:
Yes, that is my contention and the truth. The party, in its current iteration, propagates policy that is contrary to the tenets of the Christian faith.

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You are giving your opinion/interpretation of people who may, like you, vote for a Democrat. You quote scripture but then resort to non biblical authority (your own beliefs).

What specific opinions/interpretations are you referencing? Did you disagree with my interpretation of the verses I referenced?

I'm trying to reconcile the sentences in your answer. They seem to contradict each other. In the last you claim that voting for a Democrat is contrary to the Christian faith. I guess you think it is a sin, but since we are all sinners, this is just another sin that can be forgiven. Therefore one can vote for a Democrat and be a Christian.

The thing is, there is no contradiction. As I have said since page 2 of this thread, one can vote Democrat and be a Christian. A misguided and deceived Christian, perhaps immature in his faith, but a Christian nonetheless.

We all still sin, do we not? I make poor decisions, contrary to Christ teachings, on a daily basis. We all do. We all stumble. It doesn't mean we aren't saved by his grace, which covers a multitude of our sins. In other words, we can make bad decisions, but still believe in the one and only Christ, who saved us from our sins. How we vote does not determine whether we are forgiven. It may show where we are in our walk and maturity, and it MAY show that we aren't truly saved, but it doesn't mean we aren't Christian.

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My brother, I'll leave it here. Check with your pastor. If he says you're right, go with it

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I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all.

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Your contention is that voting for a Democrat is contrary to the Christian faith. You will need to show me that in scripture, not some simplistic chain of your reasoning. Cults have been built on more sound reasoning.

You apparently believe people who vote Democrat may not be saved because because their works (voting pattern) is contrary to your Christian faith. They can demonstrate all of the fruits of the Spirit, but if they vote Democrat their faith in Christ may not be genuine.

I sincerely believe you are a Christian. I sincerely believe you are mistaken in your arbitrary requirement of not voting Democrat.

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Your contention is that voting for a Democrat is contrary to the Christian faith.

Yes, that is my contention and the truth. The party, in its current iteration, propagates policy that is contrary to the tenets of the Christian faith.

You will need to show me that in scripture, not some simplistic chain of your reasoning. Cults have been built on more sound reasoning.

I'm honestly surprised that you would dispute this. Are the reasons not self-evident? If not, let me give a few examples:

A review of the DNC's website has as one of its stated goals a policy that any girl of reproductive age can have a tax payer funded abortion no matter how young and at any point in the pregnancy. This is contrary to God's view of life. The Bible teaches that we are human at conception (Psalm 139:13), that all people are made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27), and that murder is an evil sin (Exodus 20:13).

Christians should not align themselves with a party that proudly promotes the murder of the most innocent among us, the unborn. Christians should not align themselves with a party that promotes the ability of minors to have abortions (even without informing their parents.) If Christians want to carry the message of Eternal Life through Jesus, they cannot stand with a party that "shouts their abortion," promoting and celebrating the sacrifice of their own children to the god of Self.

How about their stance on LGBTQ+? Totally out of line with what Christ says about marriage, and what Paul says about sexual morality.

There are others, but these are but a few examples.

You apparently believe people who vote Democrat may not be saved because because their works (voting pattern) is contrary to your Christian faith.

Yes, it is possible. A person's works and fruit are outcroppings of their faith. This is an indisputable truth of scripture. See the verse in Ephesians I quoted above. Or do you dispute Paul's position?

On the other hand, as stated above, they may be simply misguided, deceived, not mature in their faith, luke-warm, etc. Christians are still fallible and sinful human beings. So it could be a sign of several different things.

They can demonstrate all of the fruits of the Spirit, but if they vote Democrat their faith in Christ may not be genuine.

That is not possible. If one is not making decisions in accordance with scripture, they are not demonstrating all of the fruits of the Spirit, and all of the good works planned for them. That's like saying an alcoholic or adulterer is displaying all of the fruits of the Spirit and the good works set before him. Not possible, according to scripture.

I sincerely believe you are a Christian.

I know I am a sinner saved by Christ's grace. I am glad you believe that, but respectfully, what you believe is irrelevant to my identity in Christ.

I sincerely believe you are mistaken in your arbitrary requirement of not voting Democrat.

I am not sure what you mean by this comment. Are you still suffering under the erroneous assumption that I am saying one must not vote Democrat to be Christian? If so, again, that is not my position. I've attempted to dispel you of this mistaken notion for a few posts now. Frankly, I am not sure how I can explain my position any clearer.

In closing, let me ask you this: Do you believe a person who is truly saved can go on to live the life he led before his encounter with Christ? Does he still go on in his sinful ways and lifestyle? Or does the Holy Spirit transform him? Does it change his way of thinking?

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You are giving your opinion/interpretation of people who may, like you, vote for a Democrat. You quote scripture but then resort to non biblical authority (your own beliefs).

I'm trying to reconcile the sentences in your answer. They seem to contradict each other. In the last you claim that voting for a Democrat is contrary to the Christian faith. I guess you think it is a sin, but since we are all sinners, this is just another sin that can be forgiven. Therefore one can vote for a Democrat and be a Christian.

You post the following:
Are you still suffering under the erroneous assumption that I am saying one must not vote Democrat to be Christian?

I posted the following:
Your contention is that voting for a Democrat is contrary to the Christian faith.
Your answer:
Yes, that is my contention and the truth. The party, in its current iteration, propagates policy that is contrary to the tenets of the Christian faith.

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You are giving your opinion/interpretation of people who may, like you, vote for a Democrat. You quote scripture but then resort to non biblical authority (your own beliefs).

What specific opinions/interpretations are you referencing? Did you disagree with my interpretation of the verses I referenced?

I'm trying to reconcile the sentences in your answer. They seem to contradict each other. In the last you claim that voting for a Democrat is contrary to the Christian faith. I guess you think it is a sin, but since we are all sinners, this is just another sin that can be forgiven. Therefore one can vote for a Democrat and be a Christian.

The thing is, there is no contradiction. As I have said since page 2 of this thread, one can vote Democrat and be a Christian. A misguided and deceived Christian, perhaps immature in his faith, but a Christian nonetheless.

We all still sin, do we not? I make poor decisions, contrary to Christ teachings, on a daily basis. We all do. We all stumble. It doesn't mean we aren't saved by his grace, which covers a multitude of our sins. In other words, we can make bad decisions, but still believe in the one and only Christ, who saved us from our sins. How we vote does not determine whether we are forgiven. It may show where we are in our walk and maturity, and it MAY show that we aren't truly saved, but it doesn't mean we aren't Christian.

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My brother, I'll leave it here. Check with your pastor. If he says you're right, go with it

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Thanks, but no need to check with my pastor regarding basic and elementary tenets of the faith.

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My brother, I'll leave it here. Check with your pastor. If he says you're right, go with it

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Thanks, but no need to check with my pastor regarding basic and elementary tenets of the faith.

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Got it. "Don't vote Democrat is a basic and elementary tenet of the faith"

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My brother, I'll leave it here. Check with your pastor. If he says you're right, go with it

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Thanks, but no need to check with my pastor regarding basic and elementary tenets of the faith.

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Got it. "Don't vote Democrat is a basic and elementary tenet of the faith"

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No. Instead, don't act in a way that is contrary to your faith. In other words, grow in your relationship with Christ and your knowledge of scripture and behave accordingly. Don't be the dog that returns to his own vomit.

I am just curious since you seem to be bucking these very basic tenets, do you think God doesn't care how one acts or the decisions one makes after he becomes Christian? Is it ok for you and I to say, do and behave in any way we want after we become Christian? Of course not. As you and I both know, Christ changes everything about us. So, then, how can that not also apply to the candidates you support? If those candidates support ideas and policies that are the antithesis of our faith, how can we continue to vote for them?

I am honestly a little bit baffled that a Christian would actually argue the point that supporting ideas and policies that are the antithesis of their faith is in any way compatible with their faith. I would respectfully submit you are in error, brother.

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My brother, I'll leave it here. Check with your pastor. If he says you're right, go with it

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Thanks, but no need to check with my pastor regarding basic and elementary tenets of the faith.

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Got it. "Don't vote Democrat is a basic and elementary tenet of the faith"

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I am honestly a little bit baffled that a Christian would actually argue the point that supporting ideas and policies that are the antithesis of their faith is in any way compatible with their faith.

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I believe this is true.

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My brother, I'll leave it here. Check with your pastor. If he says you're right, go with it

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Thanks, but no need to check with my pastor regarding basic and elementary tenets of the faith.

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Got it. "Don't vote Democrat is a basic and elementary tenet of the faith"

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I am honestly a little bit baffled that a Christian would actually argue the point that supporting ideas and policies that are the antithesis of their faith is in any way compatible with their faith.

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I believe this is true.

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If that is the case, if candidates support ideas and policies that are the antithesis of our faith, how can we continue to vote for them?

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My brother, I'll leave it here. Check with your pastor. If he says you're right, go with it

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Thanks, but no need to check with my pastor regarding basic and elementary tenets of the faith.

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Got it. "Don't vote Democrat is a basic and elementary tenet of the faith"

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I am honestly a little bit baffled that a Christian would actually argue the point that supporting ideas and policies that are the antithesis of their faith is in any way compatible with their faith.

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I believe this is true.

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If that is the case, if candidates support ideas and policies that are the antithesis of our faith, how can we continue to vote for them?

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I'll leave it here

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My brother, I'll leave it here. Check with your pastor. If he says you're right, go with it

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Thanks, but no need to check with my pastor regarding basic and elementary tenets of the faith.

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Got it. "Don't vote Democrat is a basic and elementary tenet of the faith"

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I am honestly a little bit baffled that a Christian would actually argue the point that supporting ideas and policies that are the antithesis of their faith is in any way compatible with their faith.

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I believe this is true.

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If that is the case, if candidates support ideas and policies that are the antithesis of our faith, how can we continue to vote for them?

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I'll leave it here

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It's interesting you don't want to answer my question. Perhaps it's because you voted democrat?

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My brother, I'll leave it here. Check with your pastor. If he says you're right, go with it

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Thanks, but no need to check with my pastor regarding basic and elementary tenets of the faith.

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Got it. "Don't vote Democrat is a basic and elementary tenet of the faith"

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I am honestly a little bit baffled that a Christian would actually argue the point that supporting ideas and policies that are the antithesis of their faith is in any way compatible with their faith.

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I believe this is true.

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If that is the case, if candidates support ideas and policies that are the antithesis of our faith, how can we continue to vote for them?

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I'll leave it here

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It's interesting you don't want to answer my question. Perhaps it's because you voted democrat?

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This conversation has no end point. You have gone off on a tangent, i.e. your interpretation of scripture. It is eccentric. You are adding things to the gospel and that is dangerous. See Gal 1:8. You're Gospel is faith + some work. James is great, but you rely on that to judge others' qualifications for heave.

It's really very simple. If you sin, know you're sinning and CONTINUE TO SIN then you have not repented and cannot be forgiven for your sinning. Without TRUE repentance you're only fooling yourself. God isn't fooled.

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It's really very simple. If you sin, know you're sinning and CONTINUE TO SIN then you have not repented and cannot be forgiven for your sinning. Without TRUE repentance you're only fooling yourself. God isn't fooled.

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Right

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It's really very simple. If you sin, know you're sinning and CONTINUE TO SIN then you have not repented and cannot be forgiven for your sinning. Without TRUE repentance you're only fooling yourself. God isn't fooled.

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Right

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How can you show you're truly repentant if you're continuing to sin? It's like being late for work. Your boss confronts you and you apologize, say you hate being late, it won't happen again. But the next day you're late again. And the next, and the next and the next because you don't actually care about being late. Your ACTIONS tell the truth of what is in your heart, not your words. To continue the sin for which you've asked forgiveness for is to show you don't actually seek forgiveness but permission through trite "I'm sorry!" prayers.

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It's really very simple. If you sin, know you're sinning and CONTINUE TO SIN then you have not repented and cannot be forgiven for your sinning. Without TRUE repentance you're only fooling yourself. God isn't fooled.

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Right

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How can you show you're truly repentant if you're continuing to sin? It's like being late for work. Your boss confronts you and you apologize, say you hate being late, it won't happen again. But the next day you're late again. And the next, and the next and the next because you don't actually care about being late. Your ACTIONS tell the truth of what is in your heart, not your words. To continue the sin for which you've asked forgiveness for is to show you don't actually seek forgiveness but permission through trite "I'm sorry!" prayers.

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Exactly right.

Abut are you saying that voting for a Democrat is a sin? If so, you are adding works to the Gospel.

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It's really very simple. If you sin, know you're sinning and CONTINUE TO SIN then you have not repented and cannot be forgiven for your sinning. Without TRUE repentance you're only fooling yourself. God isn't fooled.

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Right

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How can you show you're truly repentant if you're continuing to sin? It's like being late for work. Your boss confronts you and you apologize, say you hate being late, it won't happen again. But the next day you're late again. And the next, and the next and the next because you don't actually care about being late. Your ACTIONS tell the truth of what is in your heart, not your words. To continue the sin for which you've asked forgiveness for is to show you don't actually seek forgiveness but permission through trite "I'm sorry!" prayers.

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Exactly right.

Abut are you saying that voting for a Democrat is a sin? If so, you are adding works to the Gospel.

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If you consider refraining from sin to be "works" it's no wonder you think Christianity is all about what you say and nothing to do with how you actually live.

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It's really very simple. If you sin, know you're sinning and CONTINUE TO SIN then you have not repented and cannot be forgiven for your sinning. Without TRUE repentance you're only fooling yourself. God isn't fooled.

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Right

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How can you show you're truly repentant if you're continuing to sin? It's like being late for work. Your boss confronts you and you apologize, say you hate being late, it won't happen again. But the next day you're late again. And the next, and the next and the next because you don't actually care about being late. Your ACTIONS tell the truth of what is in your heart, not your words. To continue the sin for which you've asked forgiveness for is to show you don't actually seek forgiveness but permission through trite "I'm sorry!" prayers.

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Exactly right.

Abut are you saying that voting for a Democrat is a sin? If so, you are adding works to the Gospel.

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If you consider refraining from sin to be "works" it's no wonder you think Christianity is all about what you say and nothing to do with how you actually live.

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https://www.facebook.com/Life4U.org.uk/videos/alistair-begg-the-man-on-the-middle-cross/428044132114016/?locale=ms_MY

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It's really very simple. If you sin, know you're sinning and CONTINUE TO SIN then you have not repented and cannot be forgiven for your sinning. Without TRUE repentance you're only fooling yourself. God isn't fooled.

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Right

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How can you show you're truly repentant if you're continuing to sin? It's like being late for work. Your boss confronts you and you apologize, say you hate being late, it won't happen again. But the next day you're late again. And the next, and the next and the next because you don't actually care about being late. Your ACTIONS tell the truth of what is in your heart, not your words. To continue the sin for which you've asked forgiveness for is to show you don't actually seek forgiveness but permission through trite "I'm sorry!" prayers.

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Exactly right.

Abut are you saying that voting for a Democrat is a sin? If so, you are adding works to the Gospel.

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If you consider refraining from sin to be "works" it's no wonder you think Christianity is all about what you say and nothing to do with how you actually live.

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https://www.facebook.com/Life4U.org.uk/videos/alistair-begg-the-man-on-the-middle-cross/428044132114016/?locale=ms_MY

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Alistair has no idea what was said to the thief on the cross in the afterlife. You're literally advocating bumper sticker Christianity. "I don't have to live as a Christian because Christ died for my sins! It's a free pass to live as I desire!"

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It's really very simple. If you sin, know you're sinning and CONTINUE TO SIN then you have not repented and cannot be forgiven for your sinning. Without TRUE repentance you're only fooling yourself. God isn't fooled.

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Right

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How can you show you're truly repentant if you're continuing to sin? It's like being late for work. Your boss confronts you and you apologize, say you hate being late, it won't happen again. But the next day you're late again. And the next, and the next and the next because you don't actually care about being late. Your ACTIONS tell the truth of what is in your heart, not your words. To continue the sin for which you've asked forgiveness for is to show you don't actually seek forgiveness but permission through trite "I'm sorry!" prayers.

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Exactly right.

Abut are you saying that voting for a Democrat is a sin? If so, you are adding works to the Gospel.

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If you consider refraining from sin to be "works" it's no wonder you think Christianity is all about what you say and nothing to do with how you actually live.

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https://www.facebook.com/Life4U.org.uk/videos/alistair-begg-the-man-on-the-middle-cross/428044132114016/?locale=ms_MY

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Alistair has no idea what was said to the thief on the cross in the afterlife. You're literally advocating bumper sticker Christianity. "I don't have to live as a Christian because Christ died for my sins! It's a free pass to live as I desire!"

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Abut are you saying that voting for a Democrat is a sin?

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It's really very simple. If you sin, know you're sinning and CONTINUE TO SIN then you have not repented and cannot be forgiven for your sinning. Without TRUE repentance you're only fooling yourself. God isn't fooled.

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Right

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How can you show you're truly repentant if you're continuing to sin? It's like being late for work. Your boss confronts you and you apologize, say you hate being late, it won't happen again. But the next day you're late again. And the next, and the next and the next because you don't actually care about being late. Your ACTIONS tell the truth of what is in your heart, not your words. To continue the sin for which you've asked forgiveness for is to show you don't actually seek forgiveness but permission through trite "I'm sorry!" prayers.

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Exactly right.

Abut are you saying that voting for a Democrat is a sin? If so, you are adding works to the Gospel.

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If you consider refraining from sin to be "works" it's no wonder you think Christianity is all about what you say and nothing to do with how you actually live.

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Alistair has no idea what was said to the thief on the cross in the afterlife. You're literally advocating bumper sticker Christianity. "I don't have to live as a Christian because Christ died for my sins! It's a free pass to live as I desire!"

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Abut are you saying that voting for a Democrat is a sin?

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"Faith without works is dead" James 2:14

Could you say that members of the National Socialist Party were still Christians despite their support of Hitler?

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It's really very simple. If you sin, know you're sinning and CONTINUE TO SIN then you have not repented and cannot be forgiven for your sinning. Without TRUE repentance you're only fooling yourself. God isn't fooled.

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How can you show you're truly repentant if you're continuing to sin? It's like being late for work. Your boss confronts you and you apologize, say you hate being late, it won't happen again. But the next day you're late again. And the next, and the next and the next because you don't actually care about being late. Your ACTIONS tell the truth of what is in your heart, not your words. To continue the sin for which you've asked forgiveness for is to show you don't actually seek forgiveness but permission through trite "I'm sorry!" prayers.

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Exactly right.

Abut are you saying that voting for a Democrat is a sin? If so, you are adding works to the Gospel.

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If you consider refraining from sin to be "works" it's no wonder you think Christianity is all about what you say and nothing to do with how you actually live.

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https://www.facebook.com/Life4U.org.uk/videos/alistair-begg-the-man-on-the-middle-cross/428044132114016/?locale=ms_MY

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Alistair has no idea what was said to the thief on the cross in the afterlife. You're literally advocating bumper sticker Christianity. "I don't have to live as a Christian because Christ died for my sins! It's a free pass to live as I desire!"

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Abut are you saying that voting for a Democrat is a sin?

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"Faith without works is dead" James 2:14

Could you say that members of the National Socialist Party were still Christians despite their support of Hitler?

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Depends on their heart, not their works