Obviously they were preferable in some ways. At least Biden hasn't endorsed violent political ideologies or spurred his followers to open rebellion.Mothra said:I agree it was 4 years of a mixed bag. But the one thing we weren't on the precipice of was a nuclear war.Sam Lowry said:His four years were a mixed bag. His last few months were a disaster. If his narcissism doesn't wreck the country, it won't be for lack of trying.Mothra said:We have 4 years of evidence that they will not. The last 2 years, on the other hand, make a pretty strong case that Biden might indeed wreck the country.Sam Lowry said:If we're lucky.Mothra said:Yes, Trump is a scumbag and a sinner, but his personal sins are not going to wreck the damn country.J.R. said:I'm talking about you very good Christian folk who voted for Trump. I really have a hard time getting my head around how all the good Cristians square a human who resamples and act totally in conflict with Christian beliefs. How just do you people square that? I just do not get it. Hell , my parents are the same way and I don't get that either.4th and Inches said:you people? Me and my fellow session members at church? Me and other random posters on this site? Me and the 12 members of my immediate family who voted for both Trump and Biden in the last election and we still all talk and go to church and on family trips together(you know, the important stuff)?J.R. said:You people judge on what party someone votes.4th and Inches said:so you would like me to judge whether you are a good Christian or a bad Christian based on a few internet posts? Who thinks this way.J.R. said:Unbelievable . who thinks this way, these days? Sad, really. Fairly sure JC would not approve.4th and Inches said:correct.. you may or may not be a ChristianOsodecentx said:If I vote for a Democrat, am I voting for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, and I may not be a Christian?Mothra said:Indeed, if one votes for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, one may not be a Christian, may be immature in his or her faith, or may be misguided, subscribing to a warped and erroneous view of Christianity. That is elementary and basic Christian theology.Osodecentx said:And if my behavior includes voting Democrat, it may be a sign that I have no faith. And if I have no faith I'm not a Christian.Mothra said:I've said that how one behaves may be a sign of where they are in their faith, or if they even have a faith. Again, that is not a controversial subject, and one supported by the verses quoted above. Unfortunately, you seem to continue to either confuse or purposefully misinterpret those comments to allege that I am saying how one votes is a prerequisite to salvation. As I have tried to tell you, you're getting the order confused. Faith precedes both fruit and works. And fruit and works are a sign of faith.Osodecentx said:Yes you are. You say that if I vote wrong I need to do some self examination because I may not really be saved. IOW, faith +vote right. But if I vote right no self examination necessaryMothra said:
Hold on a second. Am I "preaching another Gospel. Faith + vote for your preferred candidate" or not?
You seem to be all over the place.
Below is a quote from your post from 2-3 pages ago:
"The idea that Christians can do and say anything they want (and vote how they want) because they are saved sounds eerily similar to the Gnostics, who believed that salvation was a mere get-out-of-jail free card. They believed how you live doesn't matter. And that's just not what Christ says in the Gospels.
I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all."
I'm not misinterpreting what you say, I'm quoting you word for word.
Exactly who is the you people you were derogatorily referring to?
There's no way any reasonable conservative could argue the last two years of disaster were in any way preferable to Trump.
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His party did that for the entire year of 2020, though. 500+ riots that were openly endorsed and sponsored by democrats.Sam Lowry said:Obviously they were preferable in some ways. At least Biden hasn't endorsed violent political ideologies or spurred his followers to open rebellion.Mothra said:I agree it was 4 years of a mixed bag. But the one thing we weren't on the precipice of was a nuclear war.Sam Lowry said:His four years were a mixed bag. His last few months were a disaster. If his narcissism doesn't wreck the country, it won't be for lack of trying.Mothra said:We have 4 years of evidence that they will not. The last 2 years, on the other hand, make a pretty strong case that Biden might indeed wreck the country.Sam Lowry said:If we're lucky.Mothra said:Yes, Trump is a scumbag and a sinner, but his personal sins are not going to wreck the damn country.J.R. said:I'm talking about you very good Christian folk who voted for Trump. I really have a hard time getting my head around how all the good Cristians square a human who resamples and act totally in conflict with Christian beliefs. How just do you people square that? I just do not get it. Hell , my parents are the same way and I don't get that either.4th and Inches said:you people? Me and my fellow session members at church? Me and other random posters on this site? Me and the 12 members of my immediate family who voted for both Trump and Biden in the last election and we still all talk and go to church and on family trips together(you know, the important stuff)?J.R. said:You people judge on what party someone votes.4th and Inches said:so you would like me to judge whether you are a good Christian or a bad Christian based on a few internet posts? Who thinks this way.J.R. said:Unbelievable . who thinks this way, these days? Sad, really. Fairly sure JC would not approve.4th and Inches said:correct.. you may or may not be a ChristianOsodecentx said:If I vote for a Democrat, am I voting for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, and I may not be a Christian?Mothra said:Indeed, if one votes for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, one may not be a Christian, may be immature in his or her faith, or may be misguided, subscribing to a warped and erroneous view of Christianity. That is elementary and basic Christian theology.Osodecentx said:And if my behavior includes voting Democrat, it may be a sign that I have no faith. And if I have no faith I'm not a Christian.Mothra said:I've said that how one behaves may be a sign of where they are in their faith, or if they even have a faith. Again, that is not a controversial subject, and one supported by the verses quoted above. Unfortunately, you seem to continue to either confuse or purposefully misinterpret those comments to allege that I am saying how one votes is a prerequisite to salvation. As I have tried to tell you, you're getting the order confused. Faith precedes both fruit and works. And fruit and works are a sign of faith.Osodecentx said:Yes you are. You say that if I vote wrong I need to do some self examination because I may not really be saved. IOW, faith +vote right. But if I vote right no self examination necessaryMothra said:
Hold on a second. Am I "preaching another Gospel. Faith + vote for your preferred candidate" or not?
You seem to be all over the place.
Below is a quote from your post from 2-3 pages ago:
"The idea that Christians can do and say anything they want (and vote how they want) because they are saved sounds eerily similar to the Gnostics, who believed that salvation was a mere get-out-of-jail free card. They believed how you live doesn't matter. And that's just not what Christ says in the Gospels.
I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all."
I'm not misinterpreting what you say, I'm quoting you word for word.
Exactly who is the you people you were derogatorily referring to?
There's no way any reasonable conservative could argue the last two years of disaster were in any way preferable to Trump.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
Biden never endorsed riots or any form of violence.Wangchung said:His party did that for the entire year of 2020, though. 500+ riots that were openly endorsed and sponsored by democrats.Sam Lowry said:Obviously they were preferable in some ways. At least Biden hasn't endorsed violent political ideologies or spurred his followers to open rebellion.Mothra said:I agree it was 4 years of a mixed bag. But the one thing we weren't on the precipice of was a nuclear war.Sam Lowry said:His four years were a mixed bag. His last few months were a disaster. If his narcissism doesn't wreck the country, it won't be for lack of trying.Mothra said:We have 4 years of evidence that they will not. The last 2 years, on the other hand, make a pretty strong case that Biden might indeed wreck the country.Sam Lowry said:If we're lucky.Mothra said:Yes, Trump is a scumbag and a sinner, but his personal sins are not going to wreck the damn country.J.R. said:I'm talking about you very good Christian folk who voted for Trump. I really have a hard time getting my head around how all the good Cristians square a human who resamples and act totally in conflict with Christian beliefs. How just do you people square that? I just do not get it. Hell , my parents are the same way and I don't get that either.4th and Inches said:you people? Me and my fellow session members at church? Me and other random posters on this site? Me and the 12 members of my immediate family who voted for both Trump and Biden in the last election and we still all talk and go to church and on family trips together(you know, the important stuff)?J.R. said:You people judge on what party someone votes.4th and Inches said:so you would like me to judge whether you are a good Christian or a bad Christian based on a few internet posts? Who thinks this way.J.R. said:Unbelievable . who thinks this way, these days? Sad, really. Fairly sure JC would not approve.4th and Inches said:correct.. you may or may not be a ChristianOsodecentx said:If I vote for a Democrat, am I voting for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, and I may not be a Christian?Mothra said:Indeed, if one votes for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, one may not be a Christian, may be immature in his or her faith, or may be misguided, subscribing to a warped and erroneous view of Christianity. That is elementary and basic Christian theology.Osodecentx said:And if my behavior includes voting Democrat, it may be a sign that I have no faith. And if I have no faith I'm not a Christian.Mothra said:I've said that how one behaves may be a sign of where they are in their faith, or if they even have a faith. Again, that is not a controversial subject, and one supported by the verses quoted above. Unfortunately, you seem to continue to either confuse or purposefully misinterpret those comments to allege that I am saying how one votes is a prerequisite to salvation. As I have tried to tell you, you're getting the order confused. Faith precedes both fruit and works. And fruit and works are a sign of faith.Osodecentx said:Yes you are. You say that if I vote wrong I need to do some self examination because I may not really be saved. IOW, faith +vote right. But if I vote right no self examination necessaryMothra said:
Hold on a second. Am I "preaching another Gospel. Faith + vote for your preferred candidate" or not?
You seem to be all over the place.
Below is a quote from your post from 2-3 pages ago:
"The idea that Christians can do and say anything they want (and vote how they want) because they are saved sounds eerily similar to the Gnostics, who believed that salvation was a mere get-out-of-jail free card. They believed how you live doesn't matter. And that's just not what Christ says in the Gospels.
I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all."
I'm not misinterpreting what you say, I'm quoting you word for word.
Exactly who is the you people you were derogatorily referring to?
There's no way any reasonable conservative could argue the last two years of disaster were in any way preferable to Trump.
His vice President pick paid for the bail of rioters with her own cash.Sam Lowry said:Biden never endorsed riots or any form of violence.Wangchung said:His party did that for the entire year of 2020, though. 500+ riots that were openly endorsed and sponsored by democrats.Sam Lowry said:Obviously they were preferable in some ways. At least Biden hasn't endorsed violent political ideologies or spurred his followers to open rebellion.Mothra said:I agree it was 4 years of a mixed bag. But the one thing we weren't on the precipice of was a nuclear war.Sam Lowry said:His four years were a mixed bag. His last few months were a disaster. If his narcissism doesn't wreck the country, it won't be for lack of trying.Mothra said:We have 4 years of evidence that they will not. The last 2 years, on the other hand, make a pretty strong case that Biden might indeed wreck the country.Sam Lowry said:If we're lucky.Mothra said:Yes, Trump is a scumbag and a sinner, but his personal sins are not going to wreck the damn country.J.R. said:I'm talking about you very good Christian folk who voted for Trump. I really have a hard time getting my head around how all the good Cristians square a human who resamples and act totally in conflict with Christian beliefs. How just do you people square that? I just do not get it. Hell , my parents are the same way and I don't get that either.4th and Inches said:you people? Me and my fellow session members at church? Me and other random posters on this site? Me and the 12 members of my immediate family who voted for both Trump and Biden in the last election and we still all talk and go to church and on family trips together(you know, the important stuff)?J.R. said:You people judge on what party someone votes.4th and Inches said:so you would like me to judge whether you are a good Christian or a bad Christian based on a few internet posts? Who thinks this way.J.R. said:Unbelievable . who thinks this way, these days? Sad, really. Fairly sure JC would not approve.4th and Inches said:correct.. you may or may not be a ChristianOsodecentx said:If I vote for a Democrat, am I voting for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, and I may not be a Christian?Mothra said:Indeed, if one votes for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, one may not be a Christian, may be immature in his or her faith, or may be misguided, subscribing to a warped and erroneous view of Christianity. That is elementary and basic Christian theology.Osodecentx said:And if my behavior includes voting Democrat, it may be a sign that I have no faith. And if I have no faith I'm not a Christian.Mothra said:I've said that how one behaves may be a sign of where they are in their faith, or if they even have a faith. Again, that is not a controversial subject, and one supported by the verses quoted above. Unfortunately, you seem to continue to either confuse or purposefully misinterpret those comments to allege that I am saying how one votes is a prerequisite to salvation. As I have tried to tell you, you're getting the order confused. Faith precedes both fruit and works. And fruit and works are a sign of faith.Osodecentx said:Yes you are. You say that if I vote wrong I need to do some self examination because I may not really be saved. IOW, faith +vote right. But if I vote right no self examination necessaryMothra said:
Hold on a second. Am I "preaching another Gospel. Faith + vote for your preferred candidate" or not?
You seem to be all over the place.
Below is a quote from your post from 2-3 pages ago:
"The idea that Christians can do and say anything they want (and vote how they want) because they are saved sounds eerily similar to the Gnostics, who believed that salvation was a mere get-out-of-jail free card. They believed how you live doesn't matter. And that's just not what Christ says in the Gospels.
I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all."
I'm not misinterpreting what you say, I'm quoting you word for word.
Exactly who is the you people you were derogatorily referring to?
There's no way any reasonable conservative could argue the last two years of disaster were in any way preferable to Trump.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
Yes, nuclear was is preferable to protestors present in the capitol. Clearly, the Republic almost fell!Sam Lowry said:At least Biden hasn't endorsed violent political ideologies or spurred his followers to open rebellion.Mothra said:I agree it was 4 years of a mixed bag. But the one thing we weren't on the precipice of was a nuclear war.Sam Lowry said:His four years were a mixed bag. His last few months were a disaster. If his narcissism doesn't wreck the country, it won't be for lack of trying.Mothra said:We have 4 years of evidence that they will not. The last 2 years, on the other hand, make a pretty strong case that Biden might indeed wreck the country.Sam Lowry said:If we're lucky.Mothra said:Yes, Trump is a scumbag and a sinner, but his personal sins are not going to wreck the damn country.J.R. said:I'm talking about you very good Christian folk who voted for Trump. I really have a hard time getting my head around how all the good Cristians square a human who resamples and act totally in conflict with Christian beliefs. How just do you people square that? I just do not get it. Hell , my parents are the same way and I don't get that either.4th and Inches said:you people? Me and my fellow session members at church? Me and other random posters on this site? Me and the 12 members of my immediate family who voted for both Trump and Biden in the last election and we still all talk and go to church and on family trips together(you know, the important stuff)?J.R. said:You people judge on what party someone votes.4th and Inches said:so you would like me to judge whether you are a good Christian or a bad Christian based on a few internet posts? Who thinks this way.J.R. said:Unbelievable . who thinks this way, these days? Sad, really. Fairly sure JC would not approve.4th and Inches said:correct.. you may or may not be a ChristianOsodecentx said:If I vote for a Democrat, am I voting for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, and I may not be a Christian?Mothra said:Indeed, if one votes for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, one may not be a Christian, may be immature in his or her faith, or may be misguided, subscribing to a warped and erroneous view of Christianity. That is elementary and basic Christian theology.Osodecentx said:And if my behavior includes voting Democrat, it may be a sign that I have no faith. And if I have no faith I'm not a Christian.Mothra said:I've said that how one behaves may be a sign of where they are in their faith, or if they even have a faith. Again, that is not a controversial subject, and one supported by the verses quoted above. Unfortunately, you seem to continue to either confuse or purposefully misinterpret those comments to allege that I am saying how one votes is a prerequisite to salvation. As I have tried to tell you, you're getting the order confused. Faith precedes both fruit and works. And fruit and works are a sign of faith.Osodecentx said:Yes you are. You say that if I vote wrong I need to do some self examination because I may not really be saved. IOW, faith +vote right. But if I vote right no self examination necessaryMothra said:
Hold on a second. Am I "preaching another Gospel. Faith + vote for your preferred candidate" or not?
You seem to be all over the place.
Below is a quote from your post from 2-3 pages ago:
"The idea that Christians can do and say anything they want (and vote how they want) because they are saved sounds eerily similar to the Gnostics, who believed that salvation was a mere get-out-of-jail free card. They believed how you live doesn't matter. And that's just not what Christ says in the Gospels.
I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all."
I'm not misinterpreting what you say, I'm quoting you word for word.
Exactly who is the you people you were derogatorily referring to?
There's no way any reasonable conservative could argue the last two years of disaster were in any way preferable to Trump.
No she didn't.Wangchung said:His vice President pick paid for the bail of rioters with her own cash.Sam Lowry said:Biden never endorsed riots or any form of violence.Wangchung said:His party did that for the entire year of 2020, though. 500+ riots that were openly endorsed and sponsored by democrats.Sam Lowry said:Obviously they were preferable in some ways. At least Biden hasn't endorsed violent political ideologies or spurred his followers to open rebellion.Mothra said:I agree it was 4 years of a mixed bag. But the one thing we weren't on the precipice of was a nuclear war.Sam Lowry said:His four years were a mixed bag. His last few months were a disaster. If his narcissism doesn't wreck the country, it won't be for lack of trying.Mothra said:We have 4 years of evidence that they will not. The last 2 years, on the other hand, make a pretty strong case that Biden might indeed wreck the country.Sam Lowry said:If we're lucky.Mothra said:Yes, Trump is a scumbag and a sinner, but his personal sins are not going to wreck the damn country.J.R. said:I'm talking about you very good Christian folk who voted for Trump. I really have a hard time getting my head around how all the good Cristians square a human who resamples and act totally in conflict with Christian beliefs. How just do you people square that? I just do not get it. Hell , my parents are the same way and I don't get that either.4th and Inches said:you people? Me and my fellow session members at church? Me and other random posters on this site? Me and the 12 members of my immediate family who voted for both Trump and Biden in the last election and we still all talk and go to church and on family trips together(you know, the important stuff)?J.R. said:You people judge on what party someone votes.4th and Inches said:so you would like me to judge whether you are a good Christian or a bad Christian based on a few internet posts? Who thinks this way.J.R. said:Unbelievable . who thinks this way, these days? Sad, really. Fairly sure JC would not approve.4th and Inches said:correct.. you may or may not be a ChristianOsodecentx said:If I vote for a Democrat, am I voting for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, and I may not be a Christian?Mothra said:Indeed, if one votes for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, one may not be a Christian, may be immature in his or her faith, or may be misguided, subscribing to a warped and erroneous view of Christianity. That is elementary and basic Christian theology.Osodecentx said:And if my behavior includes voting Democrat, it may be a sign that I have no faith. And if I have no faith I'm not a Christian.Mothra said:I've said that how one behaves may be a sign of where they are in their faith, or if they even have a faith. Again, that is not a controversial subject, and one supported by the verses quoted above. Unfortunately, you seem to continue to either confuse or purposefully misinterpret those comments to allege that I am saying how one votes is a prerequisite to salvation. As I have tried to tell you, you're getting the order confused. Faith precedes both fruit and works. And fruit and works are a sign of faith.Osodecentx said:Yes you are. You say that if I vote wrong I need to do some self examination because I may not really be saved. IOW, faith +vote right. But if I vote right no self examination necessaryMothra said:
Hold on a second. Am I "preaching another Gospel. Faith + vote for your preferred candidate" or not?
You seem to be all over the place.
Below is a quote from your post from 2-3 pages ago:
"The idea that Christians can do and say anything they want (and vote how they want) because they are saved sounds eerily similar to the Gnostics, who believed that salvation was a mere get-out-of-jail free card. They believed how you live doesn't matter. And that's just not what Christ says in the Gospels.
I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all."
I'm not misinterpreting what you say, I'm quoting you word for word.
Exactly who is the you people you were derogatorily referring to?
There's no way any reasonable conservative could argue the last two years of disaster were in any way preferable to Trump.
Yes she did. Is your Google broken or do you enjoy embarrassing yourself?Sam Lowry said:No she didn't.Wangchung said:His vice President pick paid for the bail of rioters with her own cash.Sam Lowry said:Biden never endorsed riots or any form of violence.Wangchung said:His party did that for the entire year of 2020, though. 500+ riots that were openly endorsed and sponsored by democrats.Sam Lowry said:Obviously they were preferable in some ways. At least Biden hasn't endorsed violent political ideologies or spurred his followers to open rebellion.Mothra said:I agree it was 4 years of a mixed bag. But the one thing we weren't on the precipice of was a nuclear war.Sam Lowry said:His four years were a mixed bag. His last few months were a disaster. If his narcissism doesn't wreck the country, it won't be for lack of trying.Mothra said:We have 4 years of evidence that they will not. The last 2 years, on the other hand, make a pretty strong case that Biden might indeed wreck the country.Sam Lowry said:If we're lucky.Mothra said:Yes, Trump is a scumbag and a sinner, but his personal sins are not going to wreck the damn country.J.R. said:I'm talking about you very good Christian folk who voted for Trump. I really have a hard time getting my head around how all the good Cristians square a human who resamples and act totally in conflict with Christian beliefs. How just do you people square that? I just do not get it. Hell , my parents are the same way and I don't get that either.4th and Inches said:you people? Me and my fellow session members at church? Me and other random posters on this site? Me and the 12 members of my immediate family who voted for both Trump and Biden in the last election and we still all talk and go to church and on family trips together(you know, the important stuff)?J.R. said:You people judge on what party someone votes.4th and Inches said:so you would like me to judge whether you are a good Christian or a bad Christian based on a few internet posts? Who thinks this way.J.R. said:Unbelievable . who thinks this way, these days? Sad, really. Fairly sure JC would not approve.4th and Inches said:correct.. you may or may not be a ChristianOsodecentx said:If I vote for a Democrat, am I voting for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, and I may not be a Christian?Mothra said:Indeed, if one votes for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, one may not be a Christian, may be immature in his or her faith, or may be misguided, subscribing to a warped and erroneous view of Christianity. That is elementary and basic Christian theology.Osodecentx said:And if my behavior includes voting Democrat, it may be a sign that I have no faith. And if I have no faith I'm not a Christian.Mothra said:I've said that how one behaves may be a sign of where they are in their faith, or if they even have a faith. Again, that is not a controversial subject, and one supported by the verses quoted above. Unfortunately, you seem to continue to either confuse or purposefully misinterpret those comments to allege that I am saying how one votes is a prerequisite to salvation. As I have tried to tell you, you're getting the order confused. Faith precedes both fruit and works. And fruit and works are a sign of faith.Osodecentx said:Yes you are. You say that if I vote wrong I need to do some self examination because I may not really be saved. IOW, faith +vote right. But if I vote right no self examination necessaryMothra said:
Hold on a second. Am I "preaching another Gospel. Faith + vote for your preferred candidate" or not?
You seem to be all over the place.
Below is a quote from your post from 2-3 pages ago:
"The idea that Christians can do and say anything they want (and vote how they want) because they are saved sounds eerily similar to the Gnostics, who believed that salvation was a mere get-out-of-jail free card. They believed how you live doesn't matter. And that's just not what Christ says in the Gospels.
I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all."
I'm not misinterpreting what you say, I'm quoting you word for word.
Exactly who is the you people you were derogatorily referring to?
There's no way any reasonable conservative could argue the last two years of disaster were in any way preferable to Trump.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
No, I'm just less inclined to do others' work lately.Wangchung said:Yes she did. Is your Google broken or do you enjoy embarrassing yourself?Sam Lowry said:No she didn't.Wangchung said:His vice President pick paid for the bail of rioters with her own cash.Sam Lowry said:Biden never endorsed riots or any form of violence.Wangchung said:His party did that for the entire year of 2020, though. 500+ riots that were openly endorsed and sponsored by democrats.Sam Lowry said:Obviously they were preferable in some ways. At least Biden hasn't endorsed violent political ideologies or spurred his followers to open rebellion.Mothra said:I agree it was 4 years of a mixed bag. But the one thing we weren't on the precipice of was a nuclear war.Sam Lowry said:His four years were a mixed bag. His last few months were a disaster. If his narcissism doesn't wreck the country, it won't be for lack of trying.Mothra said:We have 4 years of evidence that they will not. The last 2 years, on the other hand, make a pretty strong case that Biden might indeed wreck the country.Sam Lowry said:If we're lucky.Mothra said:Yes, Trump is a scumbag and a sinner, but his personal sins are not going to wreck the damn country.J.R. said:I'm talking about you very good Christian folk who voted for Trump. I really have a hard time getting my head around how all the good Cristians square a human who resamples and act totally in conflict with Christian beliefs. How just do you people square that? I just do not get it. Hell , my parents are the same way and I don't get that either.4th and Inches said:you people? Me and my fellow session members at church? Me and other random posters on this site? Me and the 12 members of my immediate family who voted for both Trump and Biden in the last election and we still all talk and go to church and on family trips together(you know, the important stuff)?J.R. said:You people judge on what party someone votes.4th and Inches said:so you would like me to judge whether you are a good Christian or a bad Christian based on a few internet posts? Who thinks this way.J.R. said:Unbelievable . who thinks this way, these days? Sad, really. Fairly sure JC would not approve.4th and Inches said:correct.. you may or may not be a ChristianOsodecentx said:If I vote for a Democrat, am I voting for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, and I may not be a Christian?Mothra said:Indeed, if one votes for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, one may not be a Christian, may be immature in his or her faith, or may be misguided, subscribing to a warped and erroneous view of Christianity. That is elementary and basic Christian theology.Osodecentx said:And if my behavior includes voting Democrat, it may be a sign that I have no faith. And if I have no faith I'm not a Christian.Mothra said:I've said that how one behaves may be a sign of where they are in their faith, or if they even have a faith. Again, that is not a controversial subject, and one supported by the verses quoted above. Unfortunately, you seem to continue to either confuse or purposefully misinterpret those comments to allege that I am saying how one votes is a prerequisite to salvation. As I have tried to tell you, you're getting the order confused. Faith precedes both fruit and works. And fruit and works are a sign of faith.Osodecentx said:Yes you are. You say that if I vote wrong I need to do some self examination because I may not really be saved. IOW, faith +vote right. But if I vote right no self examination necessaryMothra said:
Hold on a second. Am I "preaching another Gospel. Faith + vote for your preferred candidate" or not?
You seem to be all over the place.
Below is a quote from your post from 2-3 pages ago:
"The idea that Christians can do and say anything they want (and vote how they want) because they are saved sounds eerily similar to the Gnostics, who believed that salvation was a mere get-out-of-jail free card. They believed how you live doesn't matter. And that's just not what Christ says in the Gospels.
I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all."
I'm not misinterpreting what you say, I'm quoting you word for word.
Exactly who is the you people you were derogatorily referring to?
There's no way any reasonable conservative could argue the last two years of disaster were in any way preferable to Trump.
It's not my work to educate you on things you should look up for yourself. The fact that your default response is "nuh uh!" when you're wrong is hilarious. Considering how easily you could look this up, the more you choose this particular hill to die on the funnier it gets.Sam Lowry said:No, I'm just less inclined to do others' work lately.Wangchung said:Yes she did. Is your Google broken or do you enjoy embarrassing yourself?Sam Lowry said:No she didn't.Wangchung said:His vice President pick paid for the bail of rioters with her own cash.Sam Lowry said:Biden never endorsed riots or any form of violence.Wangchung said:His party did that for the entire year of 2020, though. 500+ riots that were openly endorsed and sponsored by democrats.Sam Lowry said:Obviously they were preferable in some ways. At least Biden hasn't endorsed violent political ideologies or spurred his followers to open rebellion.Mothra said:I agree it was 4 years of a mixed bag. But the one thing we weren't on the precipice of was a nuclear war.Sam Lowry said:His four years were a mixed bag. His last few months were a disaster. If his narcissism doesn't wreck the country, it won't be for lack of trying.Mothra said:We have 4 years of evidence that they will not. The last 2 years, on the other hand, make a pretty strong case that Biden might indeed wreck the country.Sam Lowry said:If we're lucky.Mothra said:Yes, Trump is a scumbag and a sinner, but his personal sins are not going to wreck the damn country.J.R. said:I'm talking about you very good Christian folk who voted for Trump. I really have a hard time getting my head around how all the good Cristians square a human who resamples and act totally in conflict with Christian beliefs. How just do you people square that? I just do not get it. Hell , my parents are the same way and I don't get that either.4th and Inches said:you people? Me and my fellow session members at church? Me and other random posters on this site? Me and the 12 members of my immediate family who voted for both Trump and Biden in the last election and we still all talk and go to church and on family trips together(you know, the important stuff)?J.R. said:You people judge on what party someone votes.4th and Inches said:so you would like me to judge whether you are a good Christian or a bad Christian based on a few internet posts? Who thinks this way.J.R. said:Unbelievable . who thinks this way, these days? Sad, really. Fairly sure JC would not approve.4th and Inches said:correct.. you may or may not be a ChristianOsodecentx said:If I vote for a Democrat, am I voting for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, and I may not be a Christian?Mothra said:Indeed, if one votes for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, one may not be a Christian, may be immature in his or her faith, or may be misguided, subscribing to a warped and erroneous view of Christianity. That is elementary and basic Christian theology.Osodecentx said:And if my behavior includes voting Democrat, it may be a sign that I have no faith. And if I have no faith I'm not a Christian.Mothra said:I've said that how one behaves may be a sign of where they are in their faith, or if they even have a faith. Again, that is not a controversial subject, and one supported by the verses quoted above. Unfortunately, you seem to continue to either confuse or purposefully misinterpret those comments to allege that I am saying how one votes is a prerequisite to salvation. As I have tried to tell you, you're getting the order confused. Faith precedes both fruit and works. And fruit and works are a sign of faith.Osodecentx said:Yes you are. You say that if I vote wrong I need to do some self examination because I may not really be saved. IOW, faith +vote right. But if I vote right no self examination necessaryMothra said:
Hold on a second. Am I "preaching another Gospel. Faith + vote for your preferred candidate" or not?
You seem to be all over the place.
Below is a quote from your post from 2-3 pages ago:
"The idea that Christians can do and say anything they want (and vote how they want) because they are saved sounds eerily similar to the Gnostics, who believed that salvation was a mere get-out-of-jail free card. They believed how you live doesn't matter. And that's just not what Christ says in the Gospels.
I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all."
I'm not misinterpreting what you say, I'm quoting you word for word.
Exactly who is the you people you were derogatorily referring to?
There's no way any reasonable conservative could argue the last two years of disaster were in any way preferable to Trump.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
Oh, I have the link. It just won't post from my desktop ("something on this page is slowing down your browser") and I didn't feel like sending it to my phone.Wangchung said:It's not my work to educate you on things you should look up for yourself. The fact that your default response is "nuh uh!" when you're wrong is hilarious. Considering how easily you could look this up, the more you choose this particular hill to die on the funnier it gets.Sam Lowry said:No, I'm just less inclined to do others' work lately.Wangchung said:Yes she did. Is your Google broken or do you enjoy embarrassing yourself?Sam Lowry said:No she didn't.Wangchung said:His vice President pick paid for the bail of rioters with her own cash.Sam Lowry said:Biden never endorsed riots or any form of violence.Wangchung said:His party did that for the entire year of 2020, though. 500+ riots that were openly endorsed and sponsored by democrats.Sam Lowry said:Obviously they were preferable in some ways. At least Biden hasn't endorsed violent political ideologies or spurred his followers to open rebellion.Mothra said:I agree it was 4 years of a mixed bag. But the one thing we weren't on the precipice of was a nuclear war.Sam Lowry said:His four years were a mixed bag. His last few months were a disaster. If his narcissism doesn't wreck the country, it won't be for lack of trying.Mothra said:We have 4 years of evidence that they will not. The last 2 years, on the other hand, make a pretty strong case that Biden might indeed wreck the country.Sam Lowry said:If we're lucky.Mothra said:Yes, Trump is a scumbag and a sinner, but his personal sins are not going to wreck the damn country.J.R. said:I'm talking about you very good Christian folk who voted for Trump. I really have a hard time getting my head around how all the good Cristians square a human who resamples and act totally in conflict with Christian beliefs. How just do you people square that? I just do not get it. Hell , my parents are the same way and I don't get that either.4th and Inches said:you people? Me and my fellow session members at church? Me and other random posters on this site? Me and the 12 members of my immediate family who voted for both Trump and Biden in the last election and we still all talk and go to church and on family trips together(you know, the important stuff)?J.R. said:You people judge on what party someone votes.4th and Inches said:so you would like me to judge whether you are a good Christian or a bad Christian based on a few internet posts? Who thinks this way.J.R. said:Unbelievable . who thinks this way, these days? Sad, really. Fairly sure JC would not approve.4th and Inches said:correct.. you may or may not be a ChristianOsodecentx said:If I vote for a Democrat, am I voting for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, and I may not be a Christian?Mothra said:Indeed, if one votes for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, one may not be a Christian, may be immature in his or her faith, or may be misguided, subscribing to a warped and erroneous view of Christianity. That is elementary and basic Christian theology.Osodecentx said:And if my behavior includes voting Democrat, it may be a sign that I have no faith. And if I have no faith I'm not a Christian.Mothra said:I've said that how one behaves may be a sign of where they are in their faith, or if they even have a faith. Again, that is not a controversial subject, and one supported by the verses quoted above. Unfortunately, you seem to continue to either confuse or purposefully misinterpret those comments to allege that I am saying how one votes is a prerequisite to salvation. As I have tried to tell you, you're getting the order confused. Faith precedes both fruit and works. And fruit and works are a sign of faith.Osodecentx said:Yes you are. You say that if I vote wrong I need to do some self examination because I may not really be saved. IOW, faith +vote right. But if I vote right no self examination necessaryMothra said:
Hold on a second. Am I "preaching another Gospel. Faith + vote for your preferred candidate" or not?
You seem to be all over the place.
Below is a quote from your post from 2-3 pages ago:
"The idea that Christians can do and say anything they want (and vote how they want) because they are saved sounds eerily similar to the Gnostics, who believed that salvation was a mere get-out-of-jail free card. They believed how you live doesn't matter. And that's just not what Christ says in the Gospels.
I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all."
I'm not misinterpreting what you say, I'm quoting you word for word.
Exactly who is the you people you were derogatorily referring to?
There's no way any reasonable conservative could argue the last two years of disaster were in any way preferable to Trump.
The only factual link you could have is one that reports that Kamala donated to rioter bail funds, one that released a rioter who later went on to be charged with a murder.Sam Lowry said:Oh, I have the link. It just won't post from my desktop ("something on this page is slowing down your browser") and I didn't feel like sending it to my phone.Wangchung said:It's not my work to educate you on things you should look up for yourself. The fact that your default response is "nuh uh!" when you're wrong is hilarious. Considering how easily you could look this up, the more you choose this particular hill to die on the funnier it gets.Sam Lowry said:No, I'm just less inclined to do others' work lately.Wangchung said:Yes she did. Is your Google broken or do you enjoy embarrassing yourself?Sam Lowry said:No she didn't.Wangchung said:His vice President pick paid for the bail of rioters with her own cash.Sam Lowry said:Biden never endorsed riots or any form of violence.Wangchung said:His party did that for the entire year of 2020, though. 500+ riots that were openly endorsed and sponsored by democrats.Sam Lowry said:Obviously they were preferable in some ways. At least Biden hasn't endorsed violent political ideologies or spurred his followers to open rebellion.Mothra said:I agree it was 4 years of a mixed bag. But the one thing we weren't on the precipice of was a nuclear war.Sam Lowry said:His four years were a mixed bag. His last few months were a disaster. If his narcissism doesn't wreck the country, it won't be for lack of trying.Mothra said:We have 4 years of evidence that they will not. The last 2 years, on the other hand, make a pretty strong case that Biden might indeed wreck the country.Sam Lowry said:If we're lucky.Mothra said:Yes, Trump is a scumbag and a sinner, but his personal sins are not going to wreck the damn country.J.R. said:I'm talking about you very good Christian folk who voted for Trump. I really have a hard time getting my head around how all the good Cristians square a human who resamples and act totally in conflict with Christian beliefs. How just do you people square that? I just do not get it. Hell , my parents are the same way and I don't get that either.4th and Inches said:you people? Me and my fellow session members at church? Me and other random posters on this site? Me and the 12 members of my immediate family who voted for both Trump and Biden in the last election and we still all talk and go to church and on family trips together(you know, the important stuff)?J.R. said:You people judge on what party someone votes.4th and Inches said:so you would like me to judge whether you are a good Christian or a bad Christian based on a few internet posts? Who thinks this way.J.R. said:Unbelievable . who thinks this way, these days? Sad, really. Fairly sure JC would not approve.4th and Inches said:correct.. you may or may not be a ChristianOsodecentx said:If I vote for a Democrat, am I voting for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, and I may not be a Christian?Mothra said:Indeed, if one votes for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, one may not be a Christian, may be immature in his or her faith, or may be misguided, subscribing to a warped and erroneous view of Christianity. That is elementary and basic Christian theology.Osodecentx said:And if my behavior includes voting Democrat, it may be a sign that I have no faith. And if I have no faith I'm not a Christian.Mothra said:I've said that how one behaves may be a sign of where they are in their faith, or if they even have a faith. Again, that is not a controversial subject, and one supported by the verses quoted above. Unfortunately, you seem to continue to either confuse or purposefully misinterpret those comments to allege that I am saying how one votes is a prerequisite to salvation. As I have tried to tell you, you're getting the order confused. Faith precedes both fruit and works. And fruit and works are a sign of faith.Osodecentx said:Yes you are. You say that if I vote wrong I need to do some self examination because I may not really be saved. IOW, faith +vote right. But if I vote right no self examination necessaryMothra said:
Hold on a second. Am I "preaching another Gospel. Faith + vote for your preferred candidate" or not?
You seem to be all over the place.
Below is a quote from your post from 2-3 pages ago:
"The idea that Christians can do and say anything they want (and vote how they want) because they are saved sounds eerily similar to the Gnostics, who believed that salvation was a mere get-out-of-jail free card. They believed how you live doesn't matter. And that's just not what Christ says in the Gospels.
I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all."
I'm not misinterpreting what you say, I'm quoting you word for word.
Exactly who is the you people you were derogatorily referring to?
There's no way any reasonable conservative could argue the last two years of disaster were in any way preferable to Trump.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
Wrong.Wangchung said:The only factual link you could have is one that reports that Kamala donated to rioter bail funds, one that released a rioter who later went on to be charged with a murder.Sam Lowry said:Oh, I have the link. It just won't post from my desktop ("something on this page is slowing down your browser") and I didn't feel like sending it to my phone.Wangchung said:It's not my work to educate you on things you should look up for yourself. The fact that your default response is "nuh uh!" when you're wrong is hilarious. Considering how easily you could look this up, the more you choose this particular hill to die on the funnier it gets.Sam Lowry said:No, I'm just less inclined to do others' work lately.Wangchung said:Yes she did. Is your Google broken or do you enjoy embarrassing yourself?Sam Lowry said:No she didn't.Wangchung said:His vice President pick paid for the bail of rioters with her own cash.Sam Lowry said:Biden never endorsed riots or any form of violence.Wangchung said:His party did that for the entire year of 2020, though. 500+ riots that were openly endorsed and sponsored by democrats.Sam Lowry said:Obviously they were preferable in some ways. At least Biden hasn't endorsed violent political ideologies or spurred his followers to open rebellion.Mothra said:I agree it was 4 years of a mixed bag. But the one thing we weren't on the precipice of was a nuclear war.Sam Lowry said:His four years were a mixed bag. His last few months were a disaster. If his narcissism doesn't wreck the country, it won't be for lack of trying.Mothra said:We have 4 years of evidence that they will not. The last 2 years, on the other hand, make a pretty strong case that Biden might indeed wreck the country.Sam Lowry said:If we're lucky.Mothra said:Yes, Trump is a scumbag and a sinner, but his personal sins are not going to wreck the damn country.J.R. said:I'm talking about you very good Christian folk who voted for Trump. I really have a hard time getting my head around how all the good Cristians square a human who resamples and act totally in conflict with Christian beliefs. How just do you people square that? I just do not get it. Hell , my parents are the same way and I don't get that either.4th and Inches said:you people? Me and my fellow session members at church? Me and other random posters on this site? Me and the 12 members of my immediate family who voted for both Trump and Biden in the last election and we still all talk and go to church and on family trips together(you know, the important stuff)?J.R. said:You people judge on what party someone votes.4th and Inches said:so you would like me to judge whether you are a good Christian or a bad Christian based on a few internet posts? Who thinks this way.J.R. said:Unbelievable . who thinks this way, these days? Sad, really. Fairly sure JC would not approve.4th and Inches said:correct.. you may or may not be a ChristianOsodecentx said:If I vote for a Democrat, am I voting for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, and I may not be a Christian?Mothra said:Indeed, if one votes for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, one may not be a Christian, may be immature in his or her faith, or may be misguided, subscribing to a warped and erroneous view of Christianity. That is elementary and basic Christian theology.Osodecentx said:And if my behavior includes voting Democrat, it may be a sign that I have no faith. And if I have no faith I'm not a Christian.Mothra said:I've said that how one behaves may be a sign of where they are in their faith, or if they even have a faith. Again, that is not a controversial subject, and one supported by the verses quoted above. Unfortunately, you seem to continue to either confuse or purposefully misinterpret those comments to allege that I am saying how one votes is a prerequisite to salvation. As I have tried to tell you, you're getting the order confused. Faith precedes both fruit and works. And fruit and works are a sign of faith.Osodecentx said:Yes you are. You say that if I vote wrong I need to do some self examination because I may not really be saved. IOW, faith +vote right. But if I vote right no self examination necessaryMothra said:
Hold on a second. Am I "preaching another Gospel. Faith + vote for your preferred candidate" or not?
You seem to be all over the place.
Below is a quote from your post from 2-3 pages ago:
"The idea that Christians can do and say anything they want (and vote how they want) because they are saved sounds eerily similar to the Gnostics, who believed that salvation was a mere get-out-of-jail free card. They believed how you live doesn't matter. And that's just not what Christ says in the Gospels.
I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all."
I'm not misinterpreting what you say, I'm quoting you word for word.
Exactly who is the you people you were derogatorily referring to?
There's no way any reasonable conservative could argue the last two years of disaster were in any way preferable to Trump.
No, it's correct. Even if it hurts your feelings.Sam Lowry said:Wrong.Wangchung said:The only factual link you could have is one that reports that Kamala donated to rioter bail funds, one that released a rioter who later went on to be charged with a murder.Sam Lowry said:Oh, I have the link. It just won't post from my desktop ("something on this page is slowing down your browser") and I didn't feel like sending it to my phone.Wangchung said:It's not my work to educate you on things you should look up for yourself. The fact that your default response is "nuh uh!" when you're wrong is hilarious. Considering how easily you could look this up, the more you choose this particular hill to die on the funnier it gets.Sam Lowry said:No, I'm just less inclined to do others' work lately.Wangchung said:Yes she did. Is your Google broken or do you enjoy embarrassing yourself?Sam Lowry said:No she didn't.Wangchung said:His vice President pick paid for the bail of rioters with her own cash.Sam Lowry said:Biden never endorsed riots or any form of violence.Wangchung said:His party did that for the entire year of 2020, though. 500+ riots that were openly endorsed and sponsored by democrats.Sam Lowry said:Obviously they were preferable in some ways. At least Biden hasn't endorsed violent political ideologies or spurred his followers to open rebellion.Mothra said:I agree it was 4 years of a mixed bag. But the one thing we weren't on the precipice of was a nuclear war.Sam Lowry said:His four years were a mixed bag. His last few months were a disaster. If his narcissism doesn't wreck the country, it won't be for lack of trying.Mothra said:We have 4 years of evidence that they will not. The last 2 years, on the other hand, make a pretty strong case that Biden might indeed wreck the country.Sam Lowry said:If we're lucky.Mothra said:Yes, Trump is a scumbag and a sinner, but his personal sins are not going to wreck the damn country.J.R. said:I'm talking about you very good Christian folk who voted for Trump. I really have a hard time getting my head around how all the good Cristians square a human who resamples and act totally in conflict with Christian beliefs. How just do you people square that? I just do not get it. Hell , my parents are the same way and I don't get that either.4th and Inches said:you people? Me and my fellow session members at church? Me and other random posters on this site? Me and the 12 members of my immediate family who voted for both Trump and Biden in the last election and we still all talk and go to church and on family trips together(you know, the important stuff)?J.R. said:You people judge on what party someone votes.4th and Inches said:so you would like me to judge whether you are a good Christian or a bad Christian based on a few internet posts? Who thinks this way.J.R. said:Unbelievable . who thinks this way, these days? Sad, really. Fairly sure JC would not approve.4th and Inches said:correct.. you may or may not be a ChristianOsodecentx said:If I vote for a Democrat, am I voting for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, and I may not be a Christian?Mothra said:Indeed, if one votes for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, one may not be a Christian, may be immature in his or her faith, or may be misguided, subscribing to a warped and erroneous view of Christianity. That is elementary and basic Christian theology.Osodecentx said:And if my behavior includes voting Democrat, it may be a sign that I have no faith. And if I have no faith I'm not a Christian.Mothra said:I've said that how one behaves may be a sign of where they are in their faith, or if they even have a faith. Again, that is not a controversial subject, and one supported by the verses quoted above. Unfortunately, you seem to continue to either confuse or purposefully misinterpret those comments to allege that I am saying how one votes is a prerequisite to salvation. As I have tried to tell you, you're getting the order confused. Faith precedes both fruit and works. And fruit and works are a sign of faith.Osodecentx said:Yes you are. You say that if I vote wrong I need to do some self examination because I may not really be saved. IOW, faith +vote right. But if I vote right no self examination necessaryMothra said:
Hold on a second. Am I "preaching another Gospel. Faith + vote for your preferred candidate" or not?
You seem to be all over the place.
Below is a quote from your post from 2-3 pages ago:
"The idea that Christians can do and say anything they want (and vote how they want) because they are saved sounds eerily similar to the Gnostics, who believed that salvation was a mere get-out-of-jail free card. They believed how you live doesn't matter. And that's just not what Christ says in the Gospels.
I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all."
I'm not misinterpreting what you say, I'm quoting you word for word.
Exactly who is the you people you were derogatorily referring to?
There's no way any reasonable conservative could argue the last two years of disaster were in any way preferable to Trump.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
As with most things, Sam loves to split hairs. We don't know if she actually contributed money to the Minnesota Freedom Fund that was used to help bail our the rioters. We do know that Harris expressed public support for the fund during the midst of the BLM riots, and encouraged her supporters to donate to it during the protests over Floyd's death in the summer of 2020.The fund paid criminal bail for the protestors.
As with most of Sam's hair splitting, this is another distinction without much of a difference. It is as morally reprehensible to publicly support such a fund when our cities were being looted as actually contributing monies.
As with most of Sam's hair splitting, this is another distinction without much of a difference. It is as morally reprehensible to publicly support such a fund when our cities were being looted as actually contributing monies.
Oh I know exactly what he is doing. I just like to troll the trolls.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
Wangchung said:The only factual link you could have is one that reports that Kamala donated to rioter bail funds, one that released a rioter who later went on to be charged with a murder.Sam Lowry said:Oh, I have the link. It just won't post from my desktop ("something on this page is slowing down your browser") and I didn't feel like sending it to my phone.Wangchung said:It's not my work to educate you on things you should look up for yourself. The fact that your default response is "nuh uh!" when you're wrong is hilarious. Considering how easily you could look this up, the more you choose this particular hill to die on the funnier it gets.Sam Lowry said:No, I'm just less inclined to do others' work lately.Wangchung said:Yes she did. Is your Google broken or do you enjoy embarrassing yourself?Sam Lowry said:No she didn't.Wangchung said:His vice President pick paid for the bail of rioters with her own cash.Sam Lowry said:Biden never endorsed riots or any form of violence.Wangchung said:His party did that for the entire year of 2020, though. 500+ riots that were openly endorsed and sponsored by democrats.Sam Lowry said:Obviously they were preferable in some ways. At least Biden hasn't endorsed violent political ideologies or spurred his followers to open rebellion.Mothra said:I agree it was 4 years of a mixed bag. But the one thing we weren't on the precipice of was a nuclear war.Sam Lowry said:His four years were a mixed bag. His last few months were a disaster. If his narcissism doesn't wreck the country, it won't be for lack of trying.Mothra said:We have 4 years of evidence that they will not. The last 2 years, on the other hand, make a pretty strong case that Biden might indeed wreck the country.Sam Lowry said:If we're lucky.Mothra said:Yes, Trump is a scumbag and a sinner, but his personal sins are not going to wreck the damn country.J.R. said:I'm talking about you very good Christian folk who voted for Trump. I really have a hard time getting my head around how all the good Cristians square a human who resamples and act totally in conflict with Christian beliefs. How just do you people square that? I just do not get it. Hell , my parents are the same way and I don't get that either.4th and Inches said:you people? Me and my fellow session members at church? Me and other random posters on this site? Me and the 12 members of my immediate family who voted for both Trump and Biden in the last election and we still all talk and go to church and on family trips together(you know, the important stuff)?J.R. said:You people judge on what party someone votes.4th and Inches said:so you would like me to judge whether you are a good Christian or a bad Christian based on a few internet posts? Who thinks this way.J.R. said:Unbelievable . who thinks this way, these days? Sad, really. Fairly sure JC would not approve.4th and Inches said:correct.. you may or may not be a ChristianOsodecentx said:If I vote for a Democrat, am I voting for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, and I may not be a Christian?Mothra said:Indeed, if one votes for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, one may not be a Christian, may be immature in his or her faith, or may be misguided, subscribing to a warped and erroneous view of Christianity. That is elementary and basic Christian theology.Osodecentx said:And if my behavior includes voting Democrat, it may be a sign that I have no faith. And if I have no faith I'm not a Christian.Mothra said:I've said that how one behaves may be a sign of where they are in their faith, or if they even have a faith. Again, that is not a controversial subject, and one supported by the verses quoted above. Unfortunately, you seem to continue to either confuse or purposefully misinterpret those comments to allege that I am saying how one votes is a prerequisite to salvation. As I have tried to tell you, you're getting the order confused. Faith precedes both fruit and works. And fruit and works are a sign of faith.Osodecentx said:Yes you are. You say that if I vote wrong I need to do some self examination because I may not really be saved. IOW, faith +vote right. But if I vote right no self examination necessaryMothra said:
Hold on a second. Am I "preaching another Gospel. Faith + vote for your preferred candidate" or not?
You seem to be all over the place.
Below is a quote from your post from 2-3 pages ago:
"The idea that Christians can do and say anything they want (and vote how they want) because they are saved sounds eerily similar to the Gnostics, who believed that salvation was a mere get-out-of-jail free card. They believed how you live doesn't matter. And that's just not what Christ says in the Gospels.
I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all."
I'm not misinterpreting what you say, I'm quoting you word for word.
Exactly who is the you people you were derogatorily referring to?
There's no way any reasonable conservative could argue the last two years of disaster were in any way preferable to Trump.
Would you post a link?
Not yet. But hope springs eternal.Wangchung said:
Oh I know exactly what he is doing.
Nope. Use your Google.Osodecentx said:Wangchung said:The only factual link you could have is one that reports that Kamala donated to rioter bail funds, one that released a rioter who later went on to be charged with a murder.Sam Lowry said:Oh, I have the link. It just won't post from my desktop ("something on this page is slowing down your browser") and I didn't feel like sending it to my phone.Wangchung said:It's not my work to educate you on things you should look up for yourself. The fact that your default response is "nuh uh!" when you're wrong is hilarious. Considering how easily you could look this up, the more you choose this particular hill to die on the funnier it gets.Sam Lowry said:No, I'm just less inclined to do others' work lately.Wangchung said:Yes she did. Is your Google broken or do you enjoy embarrassing yourself?Sam Lowry said:No she didn't.Wangchung said:His vice President pick paid for the bail of rioters with her own cash.Sam Lowry said:Biden never endorsed riots or any form of violence.Wangchung said:His party did that for the entire year of 2020, though. 500+ riots that were openly endorsed and sponsored by democrats.Sam Lowry said:Obviously they were preferable in some ways. At least Biden hasn't endorsed violent political ideologies or spurred his followers to open rebellion.Mothra said:I agree it was 4 years of a mixed bag. But the one thing we weren't on the precipice of was a nuclear war.Sam Lowry said:His four years were a mixed bag. His last few months were a disaster. If his narcissism doesn't wreck the country, it won't be for lack of trying.Mothra said:We have 4 years of evidence that they will not. The last 2 years, on the other hand, make a pretty strong case that Biden might indeed wreck the country.Sam Lowry said:If we're lucky.Mothra said:Yes, Trump is a scumbag and a sinner, but his personal sins are not going to wreck the damn country.J.R. said:I'm talking about you very good Christian folk who voted for Trump. I really have a hard time getting my head around how all the good Cristians square a human who resamples and act totally in conflict with Christian beliefs. How just do you people square that? I just do not get it. Hell , my parents are the same way and I don't get that either.4th and Inches said:you people? Me and my fellow session members at church? Me and other random posters on this site? Me and the 12 members of my immediate family who voted for both Trump and Biden in the last election and we still all talk and go to church and on family trips together(you know, the important stuff)?J.R. said:You people judge on what party someone votes.4th and Inches said:so you would like me to judge whether you are a good Christian or a bad Christian based on a few internet posts? Who thinks this way.J.R. said:Unbelievable . who thinks this way, these days? Sad, really. Fairly sure JC would not approve.4th and Inches said:correct.. you may or may not be a ChristianOsodecentx said:If I vote for a Democrat, am I voting for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, and I may not be a Christian?Mothra said:Indeed, if one votes for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, one may not be a Christian, may be immature in his or her faith, or may be misguided, subscribing to a warped and erroneous view of Christianity. That is elementary and basic Christian theology.Osodecentx said:And if my behavior includes voting Democrat, it may be a sign that I have no faith. And if I have no faith I'm not a Christian.Mothra said:I've said that how one behaves may be a sign of where they are in their faith, or if they even have a faith. Again, that is not a controversial subject, and one supported by the verses quoted above. Unfortunately, you seem to continue to either confuse or purposefully misinterpret those comments to allege that I am saying how one votes is a prerequisite to salvation. As I have tried to tell you, you're getting the order confused. Faith precedes both fruit and works. And fruit and works are a sign of faith.Osodecentx said:Yes you are. You say that if I vote wrong I need to do some self examination because I may not really be saved. IOW, faith +vote right. But if I vote right no self examination necessaryMothra said:
Hold on a second. Am I "preaching another Gospel. Faith + vote for your preferred candidate" or not?
You seem to be all over the place.
Below is a quote from your post from 2-3 pages ago:
"The idea that Christians can do and say anything they want (and vote how they want) because they are saved sounds eerily similar to the Gnostics, who believed that salvation was a mere get-out-of-jail free card. They believed how you live doesn't matter. And that's just not what Christ says in the Gospels.
I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all."
I'm not misinterpreting what you say, I'm quoting you word for word.
Exactly who is the you people you were derogatorily referring to?
There's no way any reasonable conservative could argue the last two years of disaster were in any way preferable to Trump.
Would you post a link?
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
Wangchung said:Nope. Use your Google.Osodecentx said:Wangchung said:The only factual link you could have is one that reports that Kamala donated to rioter bail funds, one that released a rioter who later went on to be charged with a murder.Sam Lowry said:Oh, I have the link. It just won't post from my desktop ("something on this page is slowing down your browser") and I didn't feel like sending it to my phone.Wangchung said:It's not my work to educate you on things you should look up for yourself. The fact that your default response is "nuh uh!" when you're wrong is hilarious. Considering how easily you could look this up, the more you choose this particular hill to die on the funnier it gets.Sam Lowry said:No, I'm just less inclined to do others' work lately.Wangchung said:Yes she did. Is your Google broken or do you enjoy embarrassing yourself?Sam Lowry said:No she didn't.Wangchung said:His vice President pick paid for the bail of rioters with her own cash.Sam Lowry said:Biden never endorsed riots or any form of violence.Wangchung said:His party did that for the entire year of 2020, though. 500+ riots that were openly endorsed and sponsored by democrats.Sam Lowry said:Obviously they were preferable in some ways. At least Biden hasn't endorsed violent political ideologies or spurred his followers to open rebellion.Mothra said:I agree it was 4 years of a mixed bag. But the one thing we weren't on the precipice of was a nuclear war.Sam Lowry said:His four years were a mixed bag. His last few months were a disaster. If his narcissism doesn't wreck the country, it won't be for lack of trying.Mothra said:We have 4 years of evidence that they will not. The last 2 years, on the other hand, make a pretty strong case that Biden might indeed wreck the country.Sam Lowry said:If we're lucky.Mothra said:Yes, Trump is a scumbag and a sinner, but his personal sins are not going to wreck the damn country.J.R. said:I'm talking about you very good Christian folk who voted for Trump. I really have a hard time getting my head around how all the good Cristians square a human who resamples and act totally in conflict with Christian beliefs. How just do you people square that? I just do not get it. Hell , my parents are the same way and I don't get that either.4th and Inches said:you people? Me and my fellow session members at church? Me and other random posters on this site? Me and the 12 members of my immediate family who voted for both Trump and Biden in the last election and we still all talk and go to church and on family trips together(you know, the important stuff)?J.R. said:You people judge on what party someone votes.4th and Inches said:so you would like me to judge whether you are a good Christian or a bad Christian based on a few internet posts? Who thinks this way.J.R. said:Unbelievable . who thinks this way, these days? Sad, really. Fairly sure JC would not approve.4th and Inches said:correct.. you may or may not be a ChristianOsodecentx said:If I vote for a Democrat, am I voting for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, and I may not be a Christian?Mothra said:Indeed, if one votes for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, one may not be a Christian, may be immature in his or her faith, or may be misguided, subscribing to a warped and erroneous view of Christianity. That is elementary and basic Christian theology.Osodecentx said:And if my behavior includes voting Democrat, it may be a sign that I have no faith. And if I have no faith I'm not a Christian.Mothra said:I've said that how one behaves may be a sign of where they are in their faith, or if they even have a faith. Again, that is not a controversial subject, and one supported by the verses quoted above. Unfortunately, you seem to continue to either confuse or purposefully misinterpret those comments to allege that I am saying how one votes is a prerequisite to salvation. As I have tried to tell you, you're getting the order confused. Faith precedes both fruit and works. And fruit and works are a sign of faith.Osodecentx said:Yes you are. You say that if I vote wrong I need to do some self examination because I may not really be saved. IOW, faith +vote right. But if I vote right no self examination necessaryMothra said:
Hold on a second. Am I "preaching another Gospel. Faith + vote for your preferred candidate" or not?
You seem to be all over the place.
Below is a quote from your post from 2-3 pages ago:
"The idea that Christians can do and say anything they want (and vote how they want) because they are saved sounds eerily similar to the Gnostics, who believed that salvation was a mere get-out-of-jail free card. They believed how you live doesn't matter. And that's just not what Christ says in the Gospels.
I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all."
I'm not misinterpreting what you say, I'm quoting you word for word.
Exactly who is the you people you were derogatorily referring to?
There's no way any reasonable conservative could argue the last two years of disaster were in any way preferable to Trump.
Would you post a link?
I did. It said Sam was right. Just st giving you a chance
You and I both know that if that were true you'd have already posted the link that debunks my claim.Osodecentx said:Wangchung said:Nope. Use your Google.Osodecentx said:Wangchung said:The only factual link you could have is one that reports that Kamala donated to rioter bail funds, one that released a rioter who later went on to be charged with a murder.Sam Lowry said:Oh, I have the link. It just won't post from my desktop ("something on this page is slowing down your browser") and I didn't feel like sending it to my phone.Wangchung said:It's not my work to educate you on things you should look up for yourself. The fact that your default response is "nuh uh!" when you're wrong is hilarious. Considering how easily you could look this up, the more you choose this particular hill to die on the funnier it gets.Sam Lowry said:No, I'm just less inclined to do others' work lately.Wangchung said:Yes she did. Is your Google broken or do you enjoy embarrassing yourself?Sam Lowry said:No she didn't.Wangchung said:His vice President pick paid for the bail of rioters with her own cash.Sam Lowry said:Biden never endorsed riots or any form of violence.Wangchung said:His party did that for the entire year of 2020, though. 500+ riots that were openly endorsed and sponsored by democrats.Sam Lowry said:Obviously they were preferable in some ways. At least Biden hasn't endorsed violent political ideologies or spurred his followers to open rebellion.Mothra said:I agree it was 4 years of a mixed bag. But the one thing we weren't on the precipice of was a nuclear war.Sam Lowry said:His four years were a mixed bag. His last few months were a disaster. If his narcissism doesn't wreck the country, it won't be for lack of trying.Mothra said:We have 4 years of evidence that they will not. The last 2 years, on the other hand, make a pretty strong case that Biden might indeed wreck the country.Sam Lowry said:If we're lucky.Mothra said:Yes, Trump is a scumbag and a sinner, but his personal sins are not going to wreck the damn country.J.R. said:I'm talking about you very good Christian folk who voted for Trump. I really have a hard time getting my head around how all the good Cristians square a human who resamples and act totally in conflict with Christian beliefs. How just do you people square that? I just do not get it. Hell , my parents are the same way and I don't get that either.4th and Inches said:you people? Me and my fellow session members at church? Me and other random posters on this site? Me and the 12 members of my immediate family who voted for both Trump and Biden in the last election and we still all talk and go to church and on family trips together(you know, the important stuff)?J.R. said:You people judge on what party someone votes.4th and Inches said:so you would like me to judge whether you are a good Christian or a bad Christian based on a few internet posts? Who thinks this way.J.R. said:Unbelievable . who thinks this way, these days? Sad, really. Fairly sure JC would not approve.4th and Inches said:correct.. you may or may not be a ChristianOsodecentx said:If I vote for a Democrat, am I voting for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, and I may not be a Christian?Mothra said:Indeed, if one votes for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, one may not be a Christian, may be immature in his or her faith, or may be misguided, subscribing to a warped and erroneous view of Christianity. That is elementary and basic Christian theology.Osodecentx said:And if my behavior includes voting Democrat, it may be a sign that I have no faith. And if I have no faith I'm not a Christian.Mothra said:I've said that how one behaves may be a sign of where they are in their faith, or if they even have a faith. Again, that is not a controversial subject, and one supported by the verses quoted above. Unfortunately, you seem to continue to either confuse or purposefully misinterpret those comments to allege that I am saying how one votes is a prerequisite to salvation. As I have tried to tell you, you're getting the order confused. Faith precedes both fruit and works. And fruit and works are a sign of faith.Osodecentx said:Yes you are. You say that if I vote wrong I need to do some self examination because I may not really be saved. IOW, faith +vote right. But if I vote right no self examination necessaryMothra said:
Hold on a second. Am I "preaching another Gospel. Faith + vote for your preferred candidate" or not?
You seem to be all over the place.
Below is a quote from your post from 2-3 pages ago:
"The idea that Christians can do and say anything they want (and vote how they want) because they are saved sounds eerily similar to the Gnostics, who believed that salvation was a mere get-out-of-jail free card. They believed how you live doesn't matter. And that's just not what Christ says in the Gospels.
I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all."
I'm not misinterpreting what you say, I'm quoting you word for word.
Exactly who is the you people you were derogatorily referring to?
There's no way any reasonable conservative could argue the last two years of disaster were in any way preferable to Trump.
Would you post a link?
I did. It said Sam was right. Just st giving you a chance
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
Wangchung said:You and I both know that if that were true you'd have already posted the link that debunks my claim.Osodecentx said:Wangchung said:Nope. Use your Google.Osodecentx said:Wangchung said:The only factual link you could have is one that reports that Kamala donated to rioter bail funds, one that released a rioter who later went on to be charged with a murder.Sam Lowry said:Oh, I have the link. It just won't post from my desktop ("something on this page is slowing down your browser") and I didn't feel like sending it to my phone.Wangchung said:It's not my work to educate you on things you should look up for yourself. The fact that your default response is "nuh uh!" when you're wrong is hilarious. Considering how easily you could look this up, the more you choose this particular hill to die on the funnier it gets.Sam Lowry said:No, I'm just less inclined to do others' work lately.Wangchung said:Yes she did. Is your Google broken or do you enjoy embarrassing yourself?Sam Lowry said:No she didn't.Wangchung said:His vice President pick paid for the bail of rioters with her own cash.Sam Lowry said:Biden never endorsed riots or any form of violence.Wangchung said:His party did that for the entire year of 2020, though. 500+ riots that were openly endorsed and sponsored by democrats.Sam Lowry said:Obviously they were preferable in some ways. At least Biden hasn't endorsed violent political ideologies or spurred his followers to open rebellion.Mothra said:I agree it was 4 years of a mixed bag. But the one thing we weren't on the precipice of was a nuclear war.Sam Lowry said:His four years were a mixed bag. His last few months were a disaster. If his narcissism doesn't wreck the country, it won't be for lack of trying.Mothra said:We have 4 years of evidence that they will not. The last 2 years, on the other hand, make a pretty strong case that Biden might indeed wreck the country.Sam Lowry said:If we're lucky.Mothra said:Yes, Trump is a scumbag and a sinner, but his personal sins are not going to wreck the damn country.J.R. said:I'm talking about you very good Christian folk who voted for Trump. I really have a hard time getting my head around how all the good Cristians square a human who resamples and act totally in conflict with Christian beliefs. How just do you people square that? I just do not get it. Hell , my parents are the same way and I don't get that either.4th and Inches said:you people? Me and my fellow session members at church? Me and other random posters on this site? Me and the 12 members of my immediate family who voted for both Trump and Biden in the last election and we still all talk and go to church and on family trips together(you know, the important stuff)?J.R. said:You people judge on what party someone votes.4th and Inches said:so you would like me to judge whether you are a good Christian or a bad Christian based on a few internet posts? Who thinks this way.J.R. said:Unbelievable . who thinks this way, these days? Sad, really. Fairly sure JC would not approve.4th and Inches said:correct.. you may or may not be a ChristianOsodecentx said:If I vote for a Democrat, am I voting for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, and I may not be a Christian?Mothra said:Indeed, if one votes for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, one may not be a Christian, may be immature in his or her faith, or may be misguided, subscribing to a warped and erroneous view of Christianity. That is elementary and basic Christian theology.Osodecentx said:And if my behavior includes voting Democrat, it may be a sign that I have no faith. And if I have no faith I'm not a Christian.Mothra said:I've said that how one behaves may be a sign of where they are in their faith, or if they even have a faith. Again, that is not a controversial subject, and one supported by the verses quoted above. Unfortunately, you seem to continue to either confuse or purposefully misinterpret those comments to allege that I am saying how one votes is a prerequisite to salvation. As I have tried to tell you, you're getting the order confused. Faith precedes both fruit and works. And fruit and works are a sign of faith.Osodecentx said:Yes you are. You say that if I vote wrong I need to do some self examination because I may not really be saved. IOW, faith +vote right. But if I vote right no self examination necessaryMothra said:
Hold on a second. Am I "preaching another Gospel. Faith + vote for your preferred candidate" or not?
You seem to be all over the place.
Below is a quote from your post from 2-3 pages ago:
"The idea that Christians can do and say anything they want (and vote how they want) because they are saved sounds eerily similar to the Gnostics, who believed that salvation was a mere get-out-of-jail free card. They believed how you live doesn't matter. And that's just not what Christ says in the Gospels.
I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all."
I'm not misinterpreting what you say, I'm quoting you word for word.
Exactly who is the you people you were derogatorily referring to?
There's no way any reasonable conservative could argue the last two years of disaster were in any way preferable to Trump.
Would you post a link?
I did. It said Sam was right. Just st giving you a chance
So Sam claims stands
Nope. His claim of "nuh uh" is still false.Osodecentx said:Wangchung said:You and I both know that if that were true you'd have already posted the link that debunks my claim.Osodecentx said:Wangchung said:Nope. Use your Google.Osodecentx said:Wangchung said:The only factual link you could have is one that reports that Kamala donated to rioter bail funds, one that released a rioter who later went on to be charged with a murder.Sam Lowry said:Oh, I have the link. It just won't post from my desktop ("something on this page is slowing down your browser") and I didn't feel like sending it to my phone.Wangchung said:It's not my work to educate you on things you should look up for yourself. The fact that your default response is "nuh uh!" when you're wrong is hilarious. Considering how easily you could look this up, the more you choose this particular hill to die on the funnier it gets.Sam Lowry said:No, I'm just less inclined to do others' work lately.Wangchung said:Yes she did. Is your Google broken or do you enjoy embarrassing yourself?Sam Lowry said:No she didn't.Wangchung said:His vice President pick paid for the bail of rioters with her own cash.Sam Lowry said:Biden never endorsed riots or any form of violence.Wangchung said:His party did that for the entire year of 2020, though. 500+ riots that were openly endorsed and sponsored by democrats.Sam Lowry said:Obviously they were preferable in some ways. At least Biden hasn't endorsed violent political ideologies or spurred his followers to open rebellion.Mothra said:I agree it was 4 years of a mixed bag. But the one thing we weren't on the precipice of was a nuclear war.Sam Lowry said:His four years were a mixed bag. His last few months were a disaster. If his narcissism doesn't wreck the country, it won't be for lack of trying.Mothra said:We have 4 years of evidence that they will not. The last 2 years, on the other hand, make a pretty strong case that Biden might indeed wreck the country.Sam Lowry said:If we're lucky.Mothra said:Yes, Trump is a scumbag and a sinner, but his personal sins are not going to wreck the damn country.J.R. said:I'm talking about you very good Christian folk who voted for Trump. I really have a hard time getting my head around how all the good Cristians square a human who resamples and act totally in conflict with Christian beliefs. How just do you people square that? I just do not get it. Hell , my parents are the same way and I don't get that either.4th and Inches said:you people? Me and my fellow session members at church? Me and other random posters on this site? Me and the 12 members of my immediate family who voted for both Trump and Biden in the last election and we still all talk and go to church and on family trips together(you know, the important stuff)?J.R. said:You people judge on what party someone votes.4th and Inches said:so you would like me to judge whether you are a good Christian or a bad Christian based on a few internet posts? Who thinks this way.J.R. said:Unbelievable . who thinks this way, these days? Sad, really. Fairly sure JC would not approve.4th and Inches said:correct.. you may or may not be a ChristianOsodecentx said:If I vote for a Democrat, am I voting for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, and I may not be a Christian?Mothra said:Indeed, if one votes for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, one may not be a Christian, may be immature in his or her faith, or may be misguided, subscribing to a warped and erroneous view of Christianity. That is elementary and basic Christian theology.Osodecentx said:And if my behavior includes voting Democrat, it may be a sign that I have no faith. And if I have no faith I'm not a Christian.Mothra said:I've said that how one behaves may be a sign of where they are in their faith, or if they even have a faith. Again, that is not a controversial subject, and one supported by the verses quoted above. Unfortunately, you seem to continue to either confuse or purposefully misinterpret those comments to allege that I am saying how one votes is a prerequisite to salvation. As I have tried to tell you, you're getting the order confused. Faith precedes both fruit and works. And fruit and works are a sign of faith.Osodecentx said:Yes you are. You say that if I vote wrong I need to do some self examination because I may not really be saved. IOW, faith +vote right. But if I vote right no self examination necessaryMothra said:
Hold on a second. Am I "preaching another Gospel. Faith + vote for your preferred candidate" or not?
You seem to be all over the place.
Below is a quote from your post from 2-3 pages ago:
"The idea that Christians can do and say anything they want (and vote how they want) because they are saved sounds eerily similar to the Gnostics, who believed that salvation was a mere get-out-of-jail free card. They believed how you live doesn't matter. And that's just not what Christ says in the Gospels.
I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all."
I'm not misinterpreting what you say, I'm quoting you word for word.
Exactly who is the you people you were derogatorily referring to?
There's no way any reasonable conservative could argue the last two years of disaster were in any way preferable to Trump.
Would you post a link?
I did. It said Sam was right. Just st giving you a chance
So Sam claims stands
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
I just took a tour of the Capitol, inside and out (awesome, highly recommend). The rotunda and several of the halls where the "tourists" broke in now have roped off areas. I asked the guard there why, and he said so we don't get a Jan 6th again.
Then outside, the front of the Capitol is going through a refresh. I asked our Rep what's behind that and she said the were fixing things from Jan 6 and decided to go ahead and refresh the entire facade.
But yeah, peaceful tourists that did nothing....
Then outside, the front of the Capitol is going through a refresh. I asked our Rep what's behind that and she said the were fixing things from Jan 6 and decided to go ahead and refresh the entire facade.
But yeah, peaceful tourists that did nothing....
They were all peaceful except Ray Epps. Amazing how one guy can do so much damage!
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
Whoever said that? Straw man alert.LateSteak69 said:
I just took a tour of the Capitol, inside and out (awesome, highly recommend). The rotunda and several of the halls where the "tourists" broke in now have roped off areas. I asked the guard there why, and he said so we don't get a Jan 6th again.
Then outside, the front of the Capitol is going through a refresh. I asked our Rep what's behind that and she said the were fixing things from Jan 6 and decided to go ahead and refresh the entire facade.
But yeah, peaceful tourists that did nothing....
Another straw man.Sam Lowry said:
They were all peaceful except Ray Epps. Amazing how one guy can do so much damage!
Said what?Mothra said:Whoever said that? Straw man alert.LateSteak69 said:
I just took a tour of the Capitol, inside and out (awesome, highly recommend). The rotunda and several of the halls where the "tourists" broke in now have roped off areas. I asked the guard there why, and he said so we don't get a Jan 6th again.
Then outside, the front of the Capitol is going through a refresh. I asked our Rep what's behind that and she said the were fixing things from Jan 6 and decided to go ahead and refresh the entire facade.
But yeah, peaceful tourists that did nothing....
I'm getting tired of you winning so muchSam Lowry said:
They were all peaceful except Ray Epps. Amazing how one guy can do so much damage!
edit: no I'm not
peaceful tourists that did nothingOsodecentx said:Said what?Mothra said:Whoever said that? Straw man alert.LateSteak69 said:
I just took a tour of the Capitol, inside and out (awesome, highly recommend). The rotunda and several of the halls where the "tourists" broke in now have roped off areas. I asked the guard there why, and he said so we don't get a Jan 6th again.
Then outside, the front of the Capitol is going through a refresh. I asked our Rep what's behind that and she said the were fixing things from Jan 6 and decided to go ahead and refresh the entire facade.
But yeah, peaceful tourists that did nothing....
LOLOsodecentx said:I'm getting tired of you winning so muchSam Lowry said:
They were all peaceful except Ray Epps. Amazing how one guy can do so much damage!
Osodecentx said:I'm getting tired of you whining so muchSam Lowry said:
They were all peaceful except Ray Epps. Amazing how one guy can do so much damage!
“Mix a little foolishness with your serious plans. It is lovely to be silly at the right moment.”
–Horace
“Insomnia sharpens your math skills because you spend all night calculating how much sleep you’ll get if you’re able to ‘fall asleep right now.’ “
–Horace
“Insomnia sharpens your math skills because you spend all night calculating how much sleep you’ll get if you’re able to ‘fall asleep right now.’ “
except for the ones that did.Mothra said:peaceful tourists that did nothingOsodecentx said:Said what?Mothra said:Whoever said that? Straw man alert.LateSteak69 said:
I just took a tour of the Capitol, inside and out (awesome, highly recommend). The rotunda and several of the halls where the "tourists" broke in now have roped off areas. I asked the guard there why, and he said so we don't get a Jan 6th again.
Then outside, the front of the Capitol is going through a refresh. I asked our Rep what's behind that and she said the were fixing things from Jan 6 and decided to go ahead and refresh the entire facade.
But yeah, peaceful tourists that did nothing....
truth- the peaceful tourists did nothing. The rowdy ones caused damageLateSteak69 said:except for the ones that did.Mothra said:peaceful tourists that did nothingOsodecentx said:Said what?Mothra said:Whoever said that? Straw man alert.LateSteak69 said:
I just took a tour of the Capitol, inside and out (awesome, highly recommend). The rotunda and several of the halls where the "tourists" broke in now have roped off areas. I asked the guard there why, and he said so we don't get a Jan 6th again.
Then outside, the front of the Capitol is going through a refresh. I asked our Rep what's behind that and she said the were fixing things from Jan 6 and decided to go ahead and refresh the entire facade.
But yeah, peaceful tourists that did nothing....
“Mix a little foolishness with your serious plans. It is lovely to be silly at the right moment.”
–Horace
“Insomnia sharpens your math skills because you spend all night calculating how much sleep you’ll get if you’re able to ‘fall asleep right now.’ “
–Horace
“Insomnia sharpens your math skills because you spend all night calculating how much sleep you’ll get if you’re able to ‘fall asleep right now.’ “
"iM gEtTiNg TiReD oF u wInNiNg sO mUcH!"4th and Inches said:truth- the peaceful tourists did nothing. The rowdy ones caused damageLateSteak69 said:except for the ones that did.Mothra said:peaceful tourists that did nothingOsodecentx said:Said what?Mothra said:Whoever said that? Straw man alert.LateSteak69 said:
I just took a tour of the Capitol, inside and out (awesome, highly recommend). The rotunda and several of the halls where the "tourists" broke in now have roped off areas. I asked the guard there why, and he said so we don't get a Jan 6th again.
Then outside, the front of the Capitol is going through a refresh. I asked our Rep what's behind that and she said the were fixing things from Jan 6 and decided to go ahead and refresh the entire facade.
But yeah, peaceful tourists that did nothing....
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?